AMENDMENTS: I completely forgot about the FH2023’s nose, antenna, and rear wing customization. That is my bad. However I don’t change my opinion that VRC has the better model. The customization is more in depth, and has more going on with the 3 separate rear wings, as well as the wheels. If this video came off with a heavy dose of recency bias In favor for VRC. I will admit I was pretty hype driven for this car, however sleeping on it. I still don’t disagree with 90% of what i stated (amendments below), but I will say I should have had some more energy when talking about the FH2023. I have also seen comments that Max Verstappen has actually driven RSS’s most recent F1 offerings, and said they where actually too lively. And I cannot argue with that, however I will bring up a slight point that his car is by far the most stable and planted on the grid, so I could see it as plausible that the FA2023’s representation isn’t wrong either, it may just represent a slower more in-Ruley car, and VRC still stand by their data. I will refresh my total “score” for this comparison to 4/2. I will give both a point for the physics. I still personally believe that VRC’s model overall is better both looking and it’s customization, however that is something more subjective that you guys can come to your own conclusions on. Finally, I’d like to retract my comment about the 2 models being made as a knee jerk reaction to VRC last year. I was aware about the Ukrainian based model producer on there team having to flee due to the war, and that it was a thank you to the community for waiting. It just had slipped my mind as I was more focused on the FH2023, and regardless Its a speculative and irrelevant statement for this review. Thank you for watching and reading, I hope this can clear the air!

Can I just vote for more frequent support of our cars from the livery-creating community? 😅 Thank you so much for your videos! Enjoy your time off.

@santicar10

11 ай бұрын

You guys absolutely killed it this year with the FA23! The most realistic feeling car I have ever driven in AC. Amazing to see that competition is happening in the pay mod F1 AC community, as that causes everyone to be constantly one-upping each other. Fantastic work on this car, excited for what’s to come next with you guys!

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Mis-read this comment lol, yes please some high quality skins!!!

@jonsingleton4023

11 ай бұрын

guaranteed to come very soon I'm sure. This car is next level amazing! Might have to get the ProSimCentre team on the case but we are launching Karting as we speak, so might have to wait for ours but I'm sure other teams will be on the case already.

@itshammertimeF1

11 ай бұрын

Next time just give shadow118 early access, he always does a fantastic job!

@smajci007

9 ай бұрын

I am RSS fan but formula alpha is another level … VRC you are legends

VRC and RSS are two mod teams at the top of their game putting out better cars than the majority of the big devs constantly one upping each other pushing themselves to be better, all so we can continue to enjoy our little 9 year game. What a time to be alive. I think we finally have a car to take the crown of the most technologically advanced car in AC from the IER P13c

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Yes I would definitely agree, the IER is old but gold!

@maur7432

11 ай бұрын

Wait, can you remind me about what was so special about the P13c? I just thought it was a great mod

RSS’s car was leagues ahead of the car they made the year before as well as the vrc from 2022, but VRC just knocked them out of the park completely. A lot of the bigger features from the rss car in 2023 that were new were taken from the 2022 VRC car. So maybe we’ll see if they improve on what vrc has done again next year but I have no doubt vrc will make it go insane again.

Funny thing is, Verstappen tried the previous RSS FH cars and actually said they were not planted enough, so maybe this FH23 should be more to what he feels in the IRL car. (Also said liked more the FH cars) And yes, like someone said on the comments, the FH23 also has different aero packages. Best thing of this FA23 could be the feature part, love that different wheel and clutch system.

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Please see the pinned comment for amendments. Thanks to you and others to bringing it to my attention. My last goal is to spread misinformation, hopefully the pinned comment clears some things up!

@Galinjins

11 ай бұрын

yeah i think havibg both is good so you could give rest of the grid the FA2023 and RB the RSS, however i think RSS went to a real F1 team for sound recording and with the sound i'm pretty sure it's Alpine, so for m both complete each other's

@pedropalotes6049

11 ай бұрын

This year they went to a Honda powered team (Maybe RB, maybe Alpha Tauri) @@Galinjins

@misterdog7

3 ай бұрын

Can you point me to the vid where he tried it plz? Thanks!

i agree... we drove the 2022 VRC at Zandvoort last night and I just tried the 2023 at the same track. Absolutely loving the new handling, sound and especially the steering wheel and other new setup options and the ignition start, anti stall too, such a cool, next level detail... I'll get round to buying and trying the RSS 2023 soon but VRC had it for me with the 2022, seemingly they do so far with the 2023

Having purchased the VRC 2023 car this morning, I have to 100% agree on the sound...especially on the external camera. Mr.Mike has outdone himself on this one. It is eargasm listening to the gurgle and pops due to unstable combustion at off-throttle moments. One thing missing from just about every formula car in AC, is the clunk at clutch take-up. To date only Reiza has that in a few formula cars....I believe the Formula Ultimate has it.

the vrc car feels flawless to drive, but it's a little fast, not the biggest issue when they just race against eachother, but the rss 2021 and 2020 struggle to keep up with it, where in real life they're 3+ seconds faster a lap. Also I think I prefer external sounds of the rss car, but internal of the vrc car

@Schmawlik

11 ай бұрын

Hi! The VRC FA23 physics were modeled to be accurate in lap times whenever the Pirelli specified restrictions are met with the setup of the car. Example of Pirelli restrictions for the tyre compound, and the limits set for camber, toe, and tyre pressures -> content.presspage.com/uploads/2363/1920_15-nl-preview-en.jpg?10000 The other thing to keep in mind is the AI for the VRC FA23 will actually manage the ERS deployment in order to maximize lap times similarly to how they do so in real life, the RSS FH23 AI cannot do this.

@KayJblue

10 ай бұрын

@@SchmawlikThat explains a lot. Absolutely incredible work

thx for the review thumps up i have both and very happy with them. many thx to vrc and rss for their great mods!

Incredible car, easily the best car mod ever created for AC. It really shows how great that car is when it almost makes RSS one look underwhelming, which I never thought was possible since their mods are top tier

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, they definitely have some work to do for the FH2024

@bimonreborn8948

11 ай бұрын

or maybe they can heavily update the fh23, thahts not an impossibility@@JacobCappello

@michahund4879

11 ай бұрын

Waltuh, put ur d away waltuh

I bought both of the cars, and my opinions are very similar to yours: VRC takes the win by far. The first time i drove the RSS car it was nice, but very similar to last year. VRC car is just on another level. The only thing i'm worried about is skins: a week after the release we only have aston martin and a low quality red bull skin, while on rss side we already had the full pack. I also saw you corrected yourself about some things said in this video, and that was very appreciated. Cheers!

My only issue is that in AC the curb physics is soooooooo bad. I still love AC, lol

The VRC FA23 is THE F1 car to have! Compared to the FH23, the FA23 has better physics, better display, much more control over cockpit settings, way more customization. RSS makes good stuff, but nothing quite in this league. Cheers from Ukraine 🎉

I totally agree. The VRC is superior. So much possibilities, great fun and luckely there are great skins out there! Really live the driving. If you think the RSS is on rails… the VRC is more predictable, can put it where I like. Really the best F1 car in Assetto. ( yes the V10 and V12 sounds way much better…) Would love Max Verstappens opinion on this VRC beauty. I believe it will suit his driving style..🙂

Great Vid..How do you get the Red Bull skin on the VRC car like you have in the video?

I'm pretty sure RSS FH23 also has 3 rear wings and 2 front wings models with different downforce levels just like the VRC car. Aside from that, nice video!

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

It does not

@MicroGBY

11 ай бұрын

​@@JacobCappelloit does have front and rear wing options

@thomasisready

11 ай бұрын

@@JacobCappello I just checked, and it does have visual aero changes. Under Aerodynamics there are 2 Nose configs (0 and 1) and 3 Aero Configs (0, 1 and 2) with visual changes both with the nose and with the rear wing.

@7thFEROX

11 ай бұрын

@@JacobCappello it does, how about you do some research instead of producing incorrect content for the sake of clicks

For me the VRC2023 is by far more realistic, i test the FH23 last week in zandvoort, it was so easy to take turn 7 flat out (something impossible in real life), even with 100kg ballast, on the other hand with teh VRC it was not posible, i look to drive the more realistic car compare to the telemetry onboard of the real F1 car, and for me the VRC23 its closer

VRC steering wheel are very nice but RSS sounds are much closer to the real thing

i get VRC 2022 and it's AMAZING!

that raspy-ness in the vrc is more realistic. they have that sound irl. might have to buy it tbh lol

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I know, it sounds so crisp and amazing

@chas1723

11 ай бұрын

More realistic? The FH23 sounds come from a manufacturer. How does it get more realistic than direct recordings from an actual car. Recordings without all the compression you get from a KZread or TV stream.

Its the most awaited video by me in terms of AC mods this Year I am subscriber of few channels You did it with promotion for my no. 1 AC channel.❤❤❤ By the way as I've tried f1 in AC with VRC and RSS models I totaly felt in love in F1 sim racing its so juicy about dosage of adrenaline. Its give huge satisfaction if You are able to control that, but the biggesy cons about that is that broke my fun with gt3 and lower categories its so slow and boring right now.😢

Did they update the VRC car? I cant seem to change the windshield anymore...

Should mention also when both cars have been released, so 10+ points to RSS as car was ready in May :)

So the RSS 2022 has a more realistic feeling and the VRC 2023, am i correct?

Are there any skins for the VRC car? can I use the W14 skin from the 2022 VRC car?

When I exit out of a race or hotlap or anything and then go back in again the car is making my whole pc freeze, never happened before I'm not sure why

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Idk that doesn’t really sound like a car issue. Make sure you have the latest CSP

@shaneclements2381

11 ай бұрын

@@JacobCappello I have the latest version of 0.1.80-preview346 is that the same one you have

VRC has slick rain tires?

🔴🏁This comparison was inevitable, wasn't it? That's the good thing about competition: all the fun comes back to us, as we benefit from the excellence of both studios, RSS and VRC. Personally, I love both cars, they're different and that's just fine.

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Yes indeed!!

2:40 that cockpit view is too close and not realistic. The view should be such that the whole rearview mirrors are visible.

ooooo, its for me 😊, thank you

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

😊

Great review and could not agree more regarding VRC and the Alpha release. As you continue to hone your craft may I propose some overlays and chapters? For the less initiated we would have a better understanding of which car is which when watching or maybe a tally board with the categories and points given? Just some constructive feedback - keep up the great work! 🙂

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Yes I was hoping KZread would auto chapter it so the description wouldn’t be a mess, but I can go in and do it!

RSS releasing 2 cars last year has nothing to do with VRC and it was definitely not a "last minute reaction". Their lead 3d artist and his family had to flee the Ukraine because of the Russian Invasion and that's why development was halted for months. And as a thank you to the community they decided to release 2 cars. Have you ever opened up both cars in showroom and inspected them closely? Because then you would see that the RSS 3d model is superior in every way. Super smooth, excellent details and textures with one of a kind carbon details on the floor. While the FA23 is a big step up from the FA22, it still doesn't even come close to the RSS model. Go up close to the FA23 sidepods, you can literally see the hard edges in the model, no smoothing at all. Really reminds me of rFactor 1 mods from 2010. Now to the physics. Can anyone tell my why a stable and planted car is supposed to be "unrealistic"? Max Verstappen has driven previous versions of RSS Formula Hybrid and he said that those were really nice but (!!!) they weren't stable enough. If the current F1 champion is telling you that your car needs to be more stable you better listen and that's one of the reasons why the FH23 is even more planted. Modern F1 cars aren't loose and lively, I have no idea where this misconception is coming from. Your comparison is filled with misinformation and it's insulting to RSS, to VRC and also to us as viewers since you clearly haven't done the research necessary to be able to make a truthful and unbiased comparison between the two cars.

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

Please see the pinned comment for amendments. Thanks to you and others to bringing it to my attention. My last goal is to spread misinformation, hopefully the pinned comment clears some things up!

@kiekiek

11 ай бұрын

I was initially flabbergasted by the Alpha 23, and while I still think it is a very nice mod, I currently think the FH23 is definitely far more like the real thing. The plantedness and weight of the car is much better modeled in the physics of the FH23. I base this on comments from F1 drivers about how modern F1 cars drive, and what I see on tv and onboards. Most defintely the FH23 captures the feel of a real F1 23 car better. The FH23 also has more detailed FFB, and gives you more information about grip levels especially in slow corners. The Alpha is far too quick in a straight line with KERS button, also it changes direction extremely quick at the front, like a much lighter car. So yeah, after 2 days of driving them both the FH23 is the better modern F1 mod, 3d model is better on the FH23 as well.

@kiekiek

11 ай бұрын

Yes, after 1.1 the Alpha 23 clearly is better than the Hybrid 23. The differential options and physics that comes with them makes all the difference. With 1.0 I was not convinced, but 1.1 changed the game. Incredible car, new benchmark for Assetto Corsa. @@WilliamGawlik

I have both, tbh the driving feel the same, not much of a difference.

2:00 oh god I'm that bad

I think the RSS car is better personally

The VRC Alpha is leaps and bounds better than the Hybrid from RSS. The Alpha is alive, has so much detail in the physics depending on your input. The RSS is quite dead in comparison.And oh man that FFB feel of the Alpha, just pure pleasure on a direct drive wheel. Physics, sounds, options, FFB, VRC is the clear winner. Only the model of the cars themselves are equal in my opinion. So I bascially agree with Jacob. Highly recommended to always drive with csp physics though for either car, both cars benefit greatly from it, be it FFB, Physics or real life performance comparison (non csp is usually far too quick).

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

VRC definitely have put RSS on notice for the FH2024

@MicroGBY

11 ай бұрын

What sim wheel do you have?

@kiekiek

11 ай бұрын

Fanatec CSL DD 8NM, and Heusinkveld sprint pedals.@@MicroGBY

@pedropalotes6049

11 ай бұрын

im a bit on the opposite on this, with this car i almost feel anything on low speeds, i have almost the same feeling i had years ago with the old tyre model of iRacing. Cant say the same thing of the FH23 in that case, can feel perfectly when im loosing grip at any speed almost. 3D model is far better than the FA22, but maybe still needs to smooth some parts of the car that look rough. But still, 100% this is good step up from the FA22, interesting to see competition.

@kiekiek

11 ай бұрын

@@pedropalotes6049 Well, after more time with the FA 23. and back to back comparison with FH 23, I feel the FH gives you better information what the grip levels are at any given speed. It is there in the FA as well, but the FH makes you feel more comfortable. I have to try out more, but maybe I was a bit too quick to dismiss the FH 23 so easily in favour of the FA 23.

I didn’t even know about vrc. I’ve been buying all the rss cars. Time to try the vrc f1 cars

"however I will bring up a slight point that his car is by far the most stable and planted on the grid" Wellllll, it's actually NOT! Hence why Max is so dominant over his teammates. It's common knowledge that Max likes the car very front heavy, as in very pointy. So to drive that car on the limit and extract 100% out of it without losing it and sliding around wasting time is exactly what puts Max in the GOAT conversation already. He is able to extract the maximum potential out of the car while his teammate is overdriving, spinning and crashing. So with all due respect when Max says the RSS is too pointy and loose compared to his car means that imo the VRC boys have taken the common simracer view that this is Formula 1 and these cars are "meant" to be hard to drive. They're "meant" to be loose. They can't possibly be "this" glued to the ground etc etc. I mean sure they seem to be "easy" to drive fast but the real talent is shown when you are pushing it on the limit and maximising the areo and maximising the tyres to find the last few tenths. A lot of people don't realise or underestimate the enormous effect of the "ground effects" of these cars, literally sucking them onto the tarmac with those super sticky hot tyres. Anyway, just my 2cents worth and i'm excited to try them both out with all the new recent hype around AC. On a side note. I hope LFM can put on a series where you can bring either one of these MODS to have a real head to head. That will be really cool. Especially where one or the other car could have a track specific advantage over the other just like it happens irl. Thanks for the video 👍

The lighting in ACC is still garbage. General graphics poor too. Prefer to stick with F1 23.

@pentilex4338

11 ай бұрын

This is AC

@thomasisready

11 ай бұрын

Yeah the graphics in this video are extremely odd, I can assure you that with proper settings AC looks way better than this (both day time and night time)

@JacobCappello

11 ай бұрын

I’d beg to disagree with that whole statement, plus it’s AC

@Xtriko

11 ай бұрын

Prefer F1 23? What a joke xD

every time rss ask me money , i just give , keep the AC alive .