For the people complaining that the second cutscene is too drawn out and exaggerated for such a scene, answer these questions. What if the same fairy re-appears multiple times later in the game and if you appease her enough, she becomes a playable character - would that justify the latter style of cutscene? Is the latter type of cutscene good for important party interactions and story moments only, or is it never good? Also, why is it important to you to be able to speed past the RPG cutscenes?

@TeamUnpro

10 ай бұрын

Pinned.

@666maka

9 ай бұрын

I think, no.

@robertnett9793

9 ай бұрын

Interesting question. One one hand you need a way to inform your players. And obviously you as a dev want to tell a story, and give your players the rich lore of your game. On the other hand... I want to play the game and not watch a movie. So in a way the effects of the second one are clearly better, no doubt. But the first cut-scene was more on point with it's text. So while the improved cutscene shows - very good - what one can do with effort to make a scene feel nicer... Pacing mustn't be overlooked. For example in the first version - every line of text advances the story. There's not much re-itterating the same thing. This may feel artificial - as people don't talk that way, but I have the feeling in the second example we have been on the upper end of how drawn out the dialogue for this situation was. I also acknowledge that pacing wasn't the focus of this tutorial, so this isn't meant as a critique on this here video, but more as a further tip to improve this scene from a non-technical story-telling standpoint: You should establish what to do with the fairy beforehand. In multiple dialogues, books, etc. that inform the player about the sword, about the fairy, even about the idea that they will need some kind of present. (In this regard, some kind of Quest-Log seems to be very useful) With that informations already out, you can cut right to the calling of the fairy, with maybe one line like 'We are here, let's hope the villagers stories were right...' Then all the effects and show to introduce the fairy. Make the minigame finding the present optional (and give the players the chance to encounter that object beforehand) and keep it as a last resort, if they sold the last berry.

@TeamUnpro

9 ай бұрын

@@robertnett9793 I can't argue with that! Nor would I, just like Matthew's post this is an extremely solid point =D

The second definitely looked more "professional", but the first succeeded in not dragging on for way too long with unnecessary chit-chat, along with the text boxes being so narrow that they often can't hold one line.

@TeamUnpro

5 жыл бұрын

yeah I went a little overboard lol

@houseliska9984

4 жыл бұрын

BOTH of them drug on for a long time with chit chat. The second was just waaaay slower and had more transitions.

@DraiksDracula

4 жыл бұрын

@@houseliska9984 26 second is too long for you? what the hell? its a fucking rpg who wants a game that when you come to the area for a quest you get like Quest Giver: i need you to bring me a herb MC: Okay (Quest Recieved Collect a Herb) (Quest Objective Completed) Quest Giver: did you bring the herb? MC: yes, here it is Quest Giver: good, heres your reward (Quest Completed) Eight lines, and only 5 of them are words.. seriously that is how you want your rpg? it will be the shortest rpg ever..

@DraiksDracula

4 жыл бұрын

@@calebscoville2585 quality over quantity have no existence if the game scenes can be skipped.. i prefer and many prefer to have a story you can either skip, or watch, if you just want it to be short then you can never make a game that everyone will enjoy, take for example Yanfly Message Core, you can hold Enter to skip through words and even scenes, its like fastforwarding time, that way you can make a game for everyone, because make no mistake, not everyone wants "Quality Over Quantity" in all games you can skip, so Yanfly Message Core, makes you able to skip scenes that would take minutes in seconds, or you can just do what people who tried the game for the first time do AND WATCH THE WHOLE DAMN THING, if you have no idea what i mean try Message Core first, and believe me, a long story you can skip, is a million times better than a short story you can watch..

@calebscoville2585

4 жыл бұрын

@@DraiksDracula You said "Eight lines, and only 5 of them are words.. seriously that is how you want your rpg? it will be the shortest rpg ever.." So if I'm gathering this right, what you prefer is a game with long story cutscenes, but make them skippable if the player wants to. And then outside of the cutscenes you prefer the gameplay to be really short. Is this correct? I also want to clarify my point, that I'm not saying I prefer the story should be short, just the cutscenes to be shorter. The story can be long, but I prefer it to come about in simpler terms. Here a little, there a little, sprinkled throughout the gameplay, showing just enough to tell the entire story. Cecil begins as a dark knight, betrays his kingdom and then discovers that there are deeper works of evil behind his king's apparent corruption. He has to fulfill various quests and meet new companions along the way as he discovers the true conflict behind everything that takes them deep beneath the earth and even to the moon and back. He even goes through a character arc of casting off his darkness and becoming a paladin. A long, epic tale, but with simple cutscenes and dialogue. This is just the style that resonates most with me.

As a rule, if you have to preface your cut scene with "Sorry, the cut scene goes way too long, but trust me--"... you probably should rectify whatever is causing you to feel the need to say that before releasing your cut scene. In saying that, you illustrate that you already know it drags on, before you've even shown it to anybody. As a player, I'd actually prefer the first one, because it respects the player's time.

@Vittrich

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes less is more. I use something like a middle way. I try not to be too chaty but still with some attention to detail. i have one friend that tests it that is a lore whore and i have another friend that just wanna fight and do things. so every now and then i send them a demo and let em play, so the lore focused will told me, there needs to be more storytelling and the kill everything friend told me, that there is to much text, so ive adopted to optional readable books that tell background stories and information about the land, without smashing unrealated mainstory things into the face of the people who just wanna play. i rly need to stop watching the "xy misstake in rpg maker" videos because i put a lot of effort into my(sadly rpg maker asset) game and those videos just fire my insecurity that it will never be good enough for anyone to enjoy it.

@davidangel64

3 жыл бұрын

@Dovahgatr Yeah boi. Context matters for sure. The point still stands that the creator knew the cutscene was overly long (never a good thing in any context) and watching the video, it's plain that, yes, indeed, it does drag on needlessly. You're not wrong though. Long cutscenes aren't inherently bad. (See: Metal Gear; Final Fantasy.)

Good cutscenes have spelling mistakes

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Lol damnit, where was it?

@Adamturner2

5 жыл бұрын

*you're @ 2:30 :D

@the-NightStar

4 жыл бұрын

@Niriel It's also spelled "Aw", not ""Awe", "How come" is two words, not "Howcome?". Yeah, this entire thing was FILLED with grammatical errors all over the place.

@dmas7749

4 жыл бұрын

one more Geeze instead of Geez

@d5rmantis

3 жыл бұрын

Also it’s “beeline” not “b-line”

There's a mistake I see a ton of RPG Maker users make as well as some that are even present in tutorials and thus teaching other users the same mistake. A good cutscene is not necessarily a long one unless something very significant to the story happens. It is important to note that once you take away too much time of the player to actually play the game, you make them lose interest, especially with 2D games. Another mistake I often see is that there's so much unnecessary dialogue in addition to too much information at once or just overall a cheesy dialogue. (For example "Besides, you're adorable." without there being a comedic effect to make it not seem out of place or forced, which I felt being the case with the example shown.) Often shorter sentences are the best in normal dialogue and then you should let the game itself handle further explanation or giving the player more info through moments during gameplay (great if done before a lengthy cutscene or directly afterwards) or through random facts given via NPCs, side quests, etc.. If you have to make the cutscenes give the player all kinds of information so that they understand the world better, you're not doing the world you're creating a favor. The world won't feel alive. Imagine if you went to a info center in a shopping mall and the informant there decides to tell you why she or he's standing there or why there's a shop for this and that there, etc.. Play games that are well received like Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade Chronicles, etc. etc... The characters never say more than they need to and very often the main characters have a background that gives them a reason to need to learn more about the world, just like the player themselves. The NPCs and the little things you do in these games help make you understand the world. The world is an important part of the story and the whole game, but do not make it the center either. (continuation in my own reply...)

@LucisLou

6 жыл бұрын

(.. cont.) Another thing I see used incredibly often are screen effects like a tint or something. Don't do that. If the place you're in doesn't have an afternoon glow, don't add it to the cutscene. It looks awkward if the colors turn back to vibrant day-time colors afterwards. Consistency is key. Also don't use flashy effects very often either. I know it's nice to play with effects, but there's a reason that when you go to arts school they tell you "Less is more". I highly recommend the movie "The white Ribbon"... It's a superb movie that uses the bare minimum and still totally immerses the user , same thing that Kojima also did in the Metal Gear series during important cutscenes. Also for the love of all that's nice in the world do not force comedy or romance. I mentioned this before but forced comedy (Especially romance, please please *please* don't force it) can make a player hate your game instantly and feel awkward going through dialogue, especially if it's incredibly out of place. Know that not everyone shares the same sense of humor and we often see our own jokes very differently compared to others. You are making a game, yes, but if you intend to add a lot of cutscenes, make sure you also look into film making and theater and know what makes a good movie/play because very often the same applies to cutscenes in games BUT please do not forget that you are in fact making a game and you shouldn't draw your cutscenes out for more than 5 minutes. I highly recommend the games Finding Paradise, To the Moon and the other games made by the same creator, which are all RPG Maker games. Even though they are story-focused games and have more cutscenes, you don't feel like saying "Man, when I can I control the characters already!?". Also it has good examples of how to make a good comedic atmosphere while still being serious when it needs to be imo. If you're serious about making a game, you have to learn to look critically at other media and apply the same critique to your own work, even if it's unpleasant since we're all biased towards the things we have created ourselves.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

I pinned this, thanks for your feedback!

@thesexelentsoldier8132

6 жыл бұрын

He lied.

@JaxieWorld

5 жыл бұрын

Xenoblade has a lot of unnecessary dialogue. Have you ever played it? Lol

@leeh5948

4 жыл бұрын

Nowdays I just hate long scenes that eventually boil down to go and fetch this. TW3 is full of these type of epic cinema.

I get what you mean by the comparison, but the "good" cutscene is inherently bad as well. I won't touch the anime love tropes or the incorrect grammar and spelling, but insofar as the cutscene itself... it's far too long, and tries to add too much exposition to an otherwise dull moment. Depending on the length of the game, you want to be careful where you have the "deep dive" moments and not have too many of them. People get bored easily. I do agree that production value should always be important. Emotes and using animations where they won't clash are key.

@DryTEKGI

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir. Finally someone that understands that long cutscenes doesn't have to be good. And short one (like the first one) can be useful for some more basic or not super important story telling. People here are mentioning "show, don't tell".. that would work in 3D game, not so much for 2D game with limited customization. I find text boxes useful in most cases. Cutscenes withou any text boxes when there are clearly 2 or more characters interacting with each other feels just weird.

Longer cut-scenes with more drawn out animations are not necessarily better. These are games we're making, not movies, so keeping the player involved is important. I think I'd have the player themselves walk up to the pool and have the fairy splash out of it with lots of sound effects, splash effects and maybe a cackle from the fairy - then I'd have her say the vital information and at the end of it ask the player a gated question like "Isn't that great?" with two positive answers "Yes!" and "It sure is!" before having the fairy then explain where they need to go next.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, too long a cutscene for a simple action (like this one but longer) without an option to skip it would be bothersome, any longer than this and I'd probably have a "Skip" option if I was actually making a game with this style of cutscenes

@connordarvall8482

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry to reply a month later, but also the cutscene's length might depend on what you're explaining. A tutorial for unique mechanics would have the information delivered in the most efficient way possible to get on with the game, but a scene that shows a character's development might be longer.

@marc4770

6 жыл бұрын

The problem with the skip is that most players will start skipping since its too long and then ruin their own experience with the game. While their experience would have been way better if the cutscenes were just shorter and done in a better way. I agree that the "good example" in this video is very long for something of low importance. The content and emotions could be delivered way faster.

@whiskizyo2067

5 жыл бұрын

i dont know about you but i hate those dumb multiple choice answers where it's basically the same thing. When they're just put in, because? Your situation isn't even a "you can answer no but then you'll have to answer yes" it's just 2 different flavors of yes, making a person ask - what's the point? why not make 3, or 4 flavors of yes then? Etc. Just having the hero respond with something like "ok i got it!" would imo be alot better and more immersive. the illusion of choice especially is such an obvious/blunt way of showing it really isn't a choice, is never good design. Better to not have that "choice" at all.

@jesseroberts9960

5 жыл бұрын

@@whiskizyo2067 I had a cool idea, (actually got it to work as well.) But, the lord of hell kind of revisits his home town. And he has a minion with him. Shes very, deadpoolish, and breaks the fourth wall with the player. Asking. "Hey, you want him to explain more about what this place meant to him??!!" If you answered yes, Kakashi, the lord of hell would be annoyed but explain quickly anyway. And if you answered no, well then...ye...he'd be relieved you didnt wanna waste time on it. And would move the scene on much faster lol

Second one was a tiny bit too long, but definitely better than the first one. With a few adjustments, an overly-extended cutscene can be shortened without sacrificing the feel of it. I'll definitely take all these tips in, though, because they're good for writing. Good video.

You can make a good cutscene with just portraits, you can make portraits have emotion too.

@kathycoleman4648

8 ай бұрын

Both of these skills--knowing how to use all the director / scene stuff the program has and WHEN to use it, and knowing how to make multi-expression character sprites, are valuable traits. But either one will collapse if the writing is crap and lacks direction and focus.

Tutorial with a project file here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ynery8OYmM7fops.html

I’m rewatching this video after 3 years just because it’s literally just so........ good......

@radicaldonutstudios91

4 жыл бұрын

Especially all the hate it got lmao

The funny thing is, I liked the 'bad' cutscene more. :)

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Its fine, I kinda regret titling it this way but its also in the video itself so I'm not updating the title~ was a 'bad' choice of words I guess. xD What I was aiming for was a 'effort vs no effort' kind of thing, this included grammar and lazy typing.

It's all about taste I think. If you want Kojima long cutscenes, you'll go for the 2nd one. But if you're the kind of player who's ok with cutscenes but you don't want them to be too long, you will probably appreaciate the 1st one over the 2nd.

@TeamUnpro

3 жыл бұрын

yep fair

Let's be objective, the second one is way better. Yes, it's a long cutscene for a moment in the game which may be not important, but this was just done as an example.

Nice tip, but take note that the second one is a bit annoying for the beginning part as it's slow, and for a cut scene that isn't that important make it weird looking. Other than that it's not a bad tip video on how to make a good cutscenes (but please take not that only the player can judge if the cutscenes is good or not, we can't read their minds you know?).

You know it's bad when you find yourself skipping the cutscenes that the entire video is about...

Well, the good one was okay, but it simply comes down to a personal taste. I didn't care much about the black bars, or the two row text box, but I understood why they were there. My own cutscenes are probably somewhere between these two. There will always be those who love your work and those who hate it, no matter what you do. Personally, I like longer cutscenes and storytelling, rather than spamming enter and frustrate when I can't get back in the action. But that's just me.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

"There will always be those who love your work and those who hate it, no matter what you do" This is so true, you hear all your life "You can't please everyone" and no matter how bad you want to, that's so true. "it simply comes down to a personal taste." Agreed, I felt kinda lame for using "Good" and "Bad" once I had realized how suggestive they are, but I'll keep the title the way it is simply because in the video I state "Good vs bad" as well, I'm actually expecting to get some hate comments soon about it since this video is getting pretty "popular", but hey, mistakes were made, can only learn from them right? :)

@Thunderhawk51

6 жыл бұрын

TheUnproPro Yeah. This was a great video and it gave me a couple of ideas as well.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

@PluckyD

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah this is basically where I'm falling...I had the same problem with my D&D Homebrews. I would have 1 or 2 players that really soaked up the lore and worldbuilding, but the other 3 or 4 just wanted to either battle or get to doing goofy improv rather than dramatically uncovering a forgotten treasure or relic of the past. Knowing your audience, or preferably giving options for both camps, can get you a lot of traction. For me the small chibi sprites might have expressions, but that requires more focus to glance and see who's talking....not to mention they are on the right side of the text which means eyes bouncing back and forth just to get a grasp of who's speaking and what their mood when speaking is. May seem small, but during the course of a whole game, you gotta keep in mind that seconds make hours if you have enough of them. Besides that, the black bars didn't bother me at all and gives a great visual cue that something dramatic is happening, as the focus on the screen narrows which says "This is important!!!". I find that and the music changing + sound effects to be a primo touch that I liked. Will for sure be checking out more of your stuff when I finally pull the trigger on RPG Maker MV.

Aside from what Mystic Song already said. There is another issue with this example. And that is the positioning of your character emotions. Personally, I think stuff like that should be in the character sets themselves, however if you are going for that faceset format, then it's more important that the image is actually starts from the left like the original faceset position. Unless you're in specific parts of the world that reads from Right to Left, this is not a good position. Think of it this way. As I'm reading the dialogue, I'm having my own interpretation, and suddenly an image to accompany that dialogue, then it becomes, oh. So that's what they're feeling. You want to show the player the emotion of the character with that image. But instead it becomes an afterthought.

@ALVAROPEREZtoday

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah. If facesets normally are in the right side of window then its probably a good idea that character emotions show there too.

First "bad" cutscene is suitable for certain games that focus more on the objective of the story. Second "good" cutscene is good for adding more personalities into the characters in order to make them memorable and natural. Depending on the game, I have no preference. I actually watched this years back when working on a project, I can say your video helped me a lot. :)

"And now let's watch the same cut-scene, but made with more effort..." => Ad-break to some modern 3d-Action-RPG. Oh! Wow. MV surely came along nicely over the years :D

@TeamUnpro

9 ай бұрын

LOLOL

OK first 'bad' cutscene I'd expect out of... oh... say FF4.The second one, however, looks like something out of Tales of Phantasia where you don't just have your characters being dynamic, but also the little chibis, the popup balloons, and other dynamic bits to give personality. First one is 'bad' in that 'ok we've seen this before' and for small bits like 'welcome to random shmucko town' fine, works, but not for a 'cinematic' moment. However, the second one takes a whole lot more planning and thought which newbies (like myself) might give up on halfway because 'crap which variable hosed? Fine I'll just throw the simple one in till I get around to fixing this' and... never fixing the proper cutscene. I see time and again advice i quite frankly believe. Before you do anything on an actual project start planning. For tutorials or 'oh hey I want to try a thing to see if I can make it work' fine, improv. However for a game that goes past the tutorial phase where you want to make something to show off? You can't hold it all in your head no matter how good you are there's just tooo much you have to have ordered and sorted.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

"which newbies (like myself) might give up on halfway because 'crap which variable hosed? Fine I'll just throw the simple one in till I get around to fixing this'" No worries, I'll be uploading a tutorial on how this was done. You'll be happy to know that no variables were used and only 2 switches were used to make the second cutscene.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

It does take time however, this took 5 hours (including the editing for the video tho, but a majority of it was all in that one event, trying to make it look as good as I knew how)

@Petq011

6 жыл бұрын

And a few self-switches for the fairy ? :P I liked this scene ! I would gladly copy it and give you credit ! :P :D

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Sure, feel free, also I think I only used 1 self switch. I'm working on a tutorial rn on how to make a cutscene interesting like seen in this vid

@Petq011

6 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it ! :)

dude, this is why you're an rpg maker legend. i learned a lot from this, thank you.

As a person with vision issues, I do like the larger box / print in the first. The second has much better directing, emotion, pacing and cinematography, however.

both are fine in their own right... depends how significant that scene actually is to the story. the first one would be fine for a less important event as it doesn't really break up the game play that much (feels more like the normal game play which a lot of modern games are leaning towards now that graphics are improving)

I'm sorry but both cutscenes have their good and bad points. the 'bad' cutscene is better for games which focus more on telling the story through alternate means. Working so hard on a cutscene that looks visually beautiful, yet frustrates players because they have to sit through five minutes of it doesn't make it good. Ultimately it depends on the game.

just having mid-scene movement makes the story feel a lot more alive and dynamic

Excellent info man. I'm a big fan of great storytelling and you really managed to set the mood in the second version.

that game over part was pure genius

Thank you. Very helpful and gives me reason to stop and think how I might improve my work.

Hm, I'm quite late to the party, but... Honestly, I think I'd prefer to see the "bad" cutscene in game than the "good" one. While I do agree that the second one is way more impressive from visual and technical standpoints, ultimately, it got plenty of issues that are way more severe than the ones in first one. 1. Unnecessary exposition to a lot of things, that player probably won't care about. 2. Cutscene should always be prepared depending of importance of the scene to the story. Getting directions rarely is huge breaking point. 3. Getting into cutscene mode just to talk with her seems out of place. 4. Adding chores to the cutscene. Like "Go and pick up something that's literally next to you" - this should be done by the character during the cutscene itself. All in all, the whole thing can be summed up by two words: "Too long". The first, bad cutscene has higher chance of keeping your player interested than second one.

I think a comprimize in the middle would be perfect

The second cutscene was very good. It was so good in fact, you had to misspell "you're" to make up for it.

@TeamUnpro

5 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@praktexemplar8082

5 жыл бұрын

It was good though.

I like the simplicity of the first one more

I never liked the fade-out before a cutscene, I prefer it going seamlessly going over into a cutscene instead for greater immersion. I think one thing the first cutscene did better was cutting to the point of the scene, whereas the other one seemed dragged out longer than was necessary (mainly considering it didn't seem to cover an important plot point). Games are made to be played, so minimising time spent on watching cutscenes should be a priority in my opinion.

@fruitman2426

5 жыл бұрын

Yea. It only really works if there is a flashback or if you are entering a room. If you stop in your tracks and the screen fades to the same location you are in, then it feels clunky.

@sebastianwagner7334

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with your first half. However, it always depends on what you are trying to achieve. This was more of a charakter moment, not a plot cutscene. I don't care about these charakters, so for me this was just unnececarily drawn out. But an RPG in particular often needs to show of the characters and some background, so cutscenes like those have their place as well and are pretty important too. Just not in the middle of an ongoing gameplay segment as this seems to be.

And there was a typo (I will avoid saying it was a grammatical error) "your loud", should be you are or "you're". Simple mistake, but after there, their and they're, it's probably a common one that is used incorrectly.

I know this already way too late, but I noticed some commenters to be hyper critical at your work that it's almost doesn't make sense. The second one sure is long but it provided character to those actual characters and better immersion to the scene, which I can tell is an important scene (you are meeting a fairy, okay?). I actually enjoyed it despite being long, and sure it still can be improved and shortened. The only gripe I have is the images beside the dialogue, which doesn't provide enough significance in overall experience and seems like a redundancy. It's way better if you made it an actual image of their faces with different reactions to enhance the experience. Still a very good video overall and I really enjoyed what you did and probably will if it is in an actual game.

The first one was pretty barebones, but honestly I feel it could easily be salvaged with some minor dialogue edits and also maybe adding in some formatting to the dialogue so there’s pauses and such. The second one meanwhile is just overwrought and overproduced. I mean sure, clearly there was quite a lot more effort put into it. But that doesn’t make it good.

I dunno. I like seeing the characters faces a lot better. Maybe I’ll do camera panning stuff but leave the dialog boxes the same from the old cutscene.

@jaredseymore3906

2 жыл бұрын

How do you do the camera panning stuff? I haven't been able to find where to look up a tutorial. Maybe I don't know what to call it?

So basically a fade-in, screen pan and a ton more dialogue.

Me when my cutscene is worse than the bad cutscene 👁👄👁

That game over screen put a smile on my face. Stuff like that shows effort and spirit put into the game. Not just a churned out "product".

The the problem with the first cutscene is that the part members are in an unnatural line behind the main character when the scene is happening. One character is even facing the wrong direction. I would fade to black, place the characters as events around the map and then show the text. I've never done the black bars (do you use tiles or show picture for that? I guess both would work.)

Sorry to be nit-picky, but it needs a little proof-reading. "Your loud" should be "You're loud". Bad grammar and punctuation can also make a cutscene feel tacky.

@ATP980

5 жыл бұрын

Screws immersion as well. Hate it when I'm thrown out of being completely invested in the story when I'm trying to make sense of what I just read.

And im here still trying to figure how does one have another character appear from a different area. I tried doing all I can think off to make a character appear out of nowhere or have the other character walk off the scene. Im also on MZ but I think its the same... Im trying to make a cut scene but not knowing this is probably killing the vibe least for me lol

I like the first one much better. I would have them move a bit more, have the fairy move closer sooner and I am sure everyone would want to see a fairy if they are rare... so everyone lines up to ohhh and heart bubbles... The second one had some good points but it was like a little boy did it or something... It was annoying how often he went without the item that sparkles! I wanted to hit him! lol... that is an example of "bad" to me. I would have him offer other things he found around the forest... like I found this red berry, is this it? Or "you cant mean this mushroom, right?" and the fairy getting upset at having her time wasted... then have them jump back in alarm and see the dew whatever thingy... But this was very valuable in helping people see what they like and dont like about cutscenes!! So thanks for that!! Right now for my game demo I have dialogues happen like at a statue or a tree or things like that because I plan to learn cut scenes and add them in for the finished game. I plan to fix them, I wanted to get the feel in the game to see if people liked it as it is my first :p I hope you have something like this for quests too as I did find this helpful! hopefully this does not sound rude but here is my link at rpg maker, my alpha demo is ready : forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/seaweed.112172/

Did you really compared a 1 min cutscene to a 5 min cutscene? I think the length should be the same to be fair. Your "good cutscene" is way too long for a lot of players. You should give yourself the challenge to show a good cutscene that is just 1 or 1.5 min max.

@MythicAlys

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but, 5 minutes is "too long"? Holy shit, I never fully comprehended just how different tastes can be. I personally like long cutscenes if the cutscenes have things in it worth being long. The little "love" thing going on seemed a bit forced, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. And everything else seemed fine for me. By any chance, mind giving me your opinion on Visual Novels - since they're all JUST one really long cutscene with choices?

@Pe6De

3 жыл бұрын

@@MythicAlys Visual novels are the thing I hate most of the time - choices don't matter most of the time and there's no gameplay. It's supposed to be like a book, except for that there are Wattpads and real books. When I see the title screen, I'm amazed and expecting an interesting game, until... I see typical "save", "load" and box that characters will use to talk with for the whole game. That's the moment I close the game with words "ANOTHER vn?", disappointed.

i have a question: if i want to make a cutscene like in a Visual Novel Dating Sim but mixed with this kind of cutscene as well(like, showing an ilustration for a few seconds and then show the rest of the cutscene like the way you showed) what kind of plugin and/or event should i use? how should i write it and how? do you have any help for that? im asking this cause im planning on making a dating sims game that also incorporates rpg exploration gaming style, and i would like to use VN characteristics in it.

@TeamUnpro

2 жыл бұрын

I'd def wanna use an animated pictures plugin, RPG Maker 2003 has this ability built in but for some reason it's not available without a plugin for the recent ones. Animated pictures (Talking busts, etc) will add the required 'emotional impact' a VN needs ^_^ I'd keep the same layout, sorta, maybe instead of solid black, make the bottom / top bars barely see-through but the most important part is the animated busts

I really like those effects for the second cutscene. :) The little picture thing in the corner is pretty interesting too. If it isn't as straightforward as I think it is, then I'd really like to see a tutorial for that type of effect.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Its pretty straightforward and simple :P

just trying to complement the video, honestly not trying to be an asshole. 1.-the way the cutscene starts makes no sense for it changes the tone of the whole game, i feel like to make a cutscene you need to have cohesion more than anything and just having 2 of the 4 party members pop up in the cutscene really destroys the immersion. 2.- it wastes a lot of time, sometimes i even get anxious on the battles scenes of pokemon so actually having 10 seconds of people walking a short distance is not quite the good way to make it. 3.-kind of not that important, i bet most people will use the face creator instead but never use an overworld characer if it doesn't match the face or sv character you try to represent in a text box, it destroy the main point of the face it's better to not use a face at all. 4.-the characters despite movement, talking and reacting to certain things during the cutscene still feel stiff, not because of them but of their surroundings, again this is a demo so i bet the map was made really quick so this is a plus but one should always make the backgrounds feel alive and in motion at all times, this will even make a cutscene with just two dudes talking for 15 minutes less hard to watch. things like kinds playing in the background, animals or particles will do. 5.-mind the sound of everthing, indeed having just one static song won't make it but also try to add sounds based on the surroundings. it will add more to the experience, for example trees moving, the sound of water and insects or animals alike. what im trying to say is the rpg genre was once really static due to the lack of technology but now with the current power of an average pc you can make a world with the same simple design of ff with yet more complex world building, from the sounds, the background and the numerous npc's to the way people move, express and acts during a cutscene.

I like the second one! Good video

I liked the first better. It was more straightforward. The only issue was that the fairy wasn't centered, and this issue was not only not fixed in the second one, it was made worse lol, Also, the change of color in the cutscene really takes you out of it imo

Question: for the good cutscene, how were you able to write the messages like that, using the SV sprites instead? I can't figure out how to do that.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

You convert them into pictures, I have a guide here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ynery8OYmM7fops.html it also comes with a project file =)

Oh, men, great idea! Thanks for the video! ☺

I’m working on a story-based game with quite a few cutscenes planned for it, hopefully this’ll help me.

Some advices were good, some things were... maybe a matter of opinion. Like: battlers to express emotions - when there are perfectly usable face generators, in MV literally in the application. Fading to "start / end the cutscene" - is that really necessary? I mean, as a player I want to have my experience without.... unnecessary interruptions. I like the usage of bubbles and the map looks really good, though. Good job.

I laughed so hard on the game over screen bit 🤣 I love it when someone breaks the 4th wall!

Imagine playing a basic JRPG somewhere between SNES and PS1 in quality and thinking too much dialogue is wasting time.

the second cutscene looks like heroes saving the world for the first time long time ago and first cutscene looks like heros need to save the world again in future and everything is happening in same world. i also felt like they were not the same characters in both cutscenes

I liked the first one better. But I don't play this sort of game much. From what little I know about the genre, people who play them seem to be quite happy to sit there and be told the plot. For me, I would rather be told "now you have to get this item" as efficiently as possible.

Question about cutscenes - do you normally put it all into one event window? That's how mine currently is and it's a gargantuan-sized event. Not sure if this is OK, if there are ways to consolidate it, or if it should be broken up into numerous events. Ideas?

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

I usually do too, but if you want to separate them, you can create a variable called Scene_Progress and add it by 1, then create a new event page and select the variable you created and set it to 1 higher than w/e it was. If it was zero for the first event page, set the second event page to 1. The scene should continue to play regularly

this was actually rly helpful tanks !

I really like the second cutscene. Just some mistakes here and there, but it's 100% amazing!

Okay, so, I'm here because I have plans to do my first horror RPG maker game. And, the good cutscene may had a good effects like black bars, moving characters. and such, but it really took way too long as it is unnecessary and losing players' interests. Remember that it is not visual novel, but it is a game, and game is all about playing and not reading dialogues. However, it also depends on genre, like the longer cutscene is recommended for psychological horror games, and the shorter cutscene is recommended for adventure games. Psychological horror focused on character's struggle and more dialogues should be about how they feel in their situation, and adventure focused on fighting monsters and save the world as the players wanted to take action. It is hard to balance the gameplay, yes, but just remember what kind of game will it be. Just do what you focus (story or gameplay) first before adding others. And, it also depends on the situation. Since my game will be similar to Ao Oni, it would be best that the cutscene to be shorter when it is not safe to have long conversation when the monster might enter the room any seconds, and the characters are also out of breath, anxious, or in panic as subtly telling the players that the characters are truly desperate to escape from the monster quickly. And, if the characters are in safe room, they finally have time to talk. I think the climax cutscene is the longest than the beginning and ending cutscenes, but these should tell of why, how and what happened in the story. The climax cutscene must show that the characters' journey and struggles are worth it to go on further, to complete their goals. Your first cutscene is full of unnecessary talk, so I recommended to keep it way shorter and must be straight to the point. Oh, and the second cutscene, it does not need cinematic when talking to fairy whether you have an item or not. I recommended to use cinematic cutscene on every important parts of the plot. In other words, common sense. Use your common sense by placing yourself in characters' shoes and think if it is important to talk in this kind of situation. You might be asking of why I watched if I knew what to do, I just need some tips on how to make a good cutscene, and getting ideas from a video and comments just opened my understanding box. Just few words, and now I realized what should I do.

I like the “Good” example, feels a lot more dynamic and professional. Might I ask how did you add the black bars? Did you set it as a common event?

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

The black bars are pictures :) They're just shown using the Show Picture command. see here for a test file you can open up: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ynery8OYmM7fops.html

@korytoombs886

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeamUnpro I believe you also get the same effect by making a copy of the first map and teleporting there. But the second map has black tiles.

I liked the 2nd cutscene; because it wasn't so bland as the first. I think the reason why most people are hating on the 2nd cutscene, is because most people today want to get through things fast, fast, fast. They don't take the time to relax and enjoy and a nice story in between the constant slaughtering of monsters, etc.. Some of the newer RPG's I play have long introductions, and long cutscenes (Like Final Fantasy 12: The Zodiac Age). I also have played RPG's with short dialog that starts you off playing right away, having to learn as you go and only experiencing short cut scenes to give you a generic understanding of your situation. Either way works, and each type has their pros and cons... and options.

@fruitman2426

5 жыл бұрын

The idea is to not get the point across, but to spend time on the cutscene. I spent hours on one scene and it looked a lot like the first one. So by spending another half hour on it, I added facial expressions and emote balloons to the dialogue. It instantly makes an improvement. No matter how good the text is, you have to have something going on in the 80% of the screen that’s taken up by a still of the characters talking.

@dislikebot

5 жыл бұрын

Remnar I’m sorry, but most people want to actually play the fucking game rather than watch a movie.

@dislikebot

5 жыл бұрын

DBR Liamg exfuckingactly

thank you

The second cutscene had a LOT of filler. I think cutscenes should be short and sweet; with every piece of dialogue serving a purpose.

05:13 ...yeah...it's you fairy aren't you.

For the love of god read articles about script writing and rules of a good dialogue if you want good cutscenes!

Definitely getting some Tales of Symphonia vibes from these people

@TeamUnpro

3 жыл бұрын

In the comments i link a tutorial you can check out :)

@stonethemason12

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeamUnpro thanks man, i appreciate it

I like the first cut scene imo

Do you know how to make a cutscene in rpg maker MV? And could you make a video about how to make one?

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

I'll be doing just that :)

This was great i liked the 2nd cutscene alot, it wasn't even that long if you ignore lying to the fairy. These people dont like stories in their games anymore....

Agree with how the scene been done, but explaining message system is kinda out of context, since it's a style preference.

How did you do those custom text boxes? EDIT: Never mind

the problem the battlesprites that they're in the right....I almost missed them. On the left would have been better since its literally tires me looking back and forward.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a bad choice on my part lol

the "bad" cutscene was way better and it got to the point so you' don't have to be bombarded with a wall text of cliches xD

@TeamUnpro

3 жыл бұрын

cliches are the best tho :3

@light_fos

2 жыл бұрын

If you liked the bad cutscene then you should go check out how many awful rpgmaker games on steam use them. They are made quickly and with little effort.

The first one looks like any cutscene from a JRPG on Super Nes. The second one looks like it's someone trying to show everyone that he knows how to add everything into one no matter how significant it is to the story. The first one is better because it's not taking over the feel of the game. The second one is better at making an impact but is also a lot worse because there's way to many text. Feels like Gamefreak trying to add a story to pokemon tbh

Whats the name of that game you made?

That's awesome. But I wouldn't want to do this with every story character!! OMG that would be so dramatically time consuming and frustrating.

I really like the second one. Maybe its because I really like Heavy-Narrative JRPG stories.

The first one was better the bad one. :/

The dialogue in the first version...

I get the picture. I've spent 3000 hours making my game and I haven't made a single cutscene. Will probably add that flavor it needs.

The good cut scene has "Geeze, your loud!" it should be "Geez, you're loud!"

@TeamUnpro

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was uh, a test

2:20 sound?

I actually liked the first one better

Actually, I liked the first scene better. The dialogue speed in the second case was so slow. Also, if you intend to only use two lines where one line is the character name, don't use images. If you intend to use images, then don't use names! After all, once I know that red haired dude is called Harold, I'll recognize him anywhere. And if you do use names, make sure the text is formatted properly. Having a sentence like "Hello, could you please be so kind and buy me-" in one screen and "-some apples?" looks awful.A dialogue needs some formatting to look nice, or else it is merely blank text. And "Hello. Could you please be so nice-" "-and buy me some apples?" looks much better if you have to stretch one sentence over multiple screens. That's not all though. The scene was very drawn out. It's completely apparent that the cutscene is supposed to be a small cutscene, so you don't need to worry about it that much. But it was just sooooooo sloooooooow. There was literally not enough going on to justify the speed. Small speed is good for emotional scenes, not for small cutscene. Not to mention the map was awful and the music as well, so I wanted to escape the second cutscene as fast as I could. So the first one was much better than the second one. Because it exactly allowed that. It's by no means good though.

@devillass6025

6 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me what was so awful about the map? I'm not getting defensive or trying to come to this guy's rescue, I'm going to make RPG games myself in the near future so I'm trying learn and get as much advice as I can. It also helps me to see examples of certain things done poorly in RPG-making.

@MerkhVision

5 жыл бұрын

The Sinful Fangirl I dont entirely agree with them, I thought the mapping was actually pretty good

@MatthewCenance

10 ай бұрын

There are further improvements that could be made to the map, such as making the trees not all the same size to make the forest less artificial looking. For example, big round trees mixed with tall but not so wide trees as well as small bushes.

That cutscene is even longer than most of the cutscenes in Ocarina of Time

The worst advice I see in this video is: "TO make a good cutscene you need a lot of scripts and knowledge of how to use them or your cutscene just sucks" That's not what RPG Maker is about. True the first cutscene could have more filling dialogue, but the second one just says "be super awesome automagically at RPG Maker or you suck" and that's terrible advice.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

"be super awesome automagically at RPG Maker or you suck" Take a chill pill, I'd never say to anybody "You suck at RPG Maker" Hell I make tutorials on it.Also why are you quoting "TO make a good cutscene you need a lot of scripts and knowledge of how to use them or your cutscene just sucks"? I never said anything of the sort so...? I already mentioned calling this "Good vs bad" was a mistake but I can't travel through time, and I"m not about to delete the video because of it, so...

The good one is amzing! But it demands so many time and money to get everything looks perfect. IMO the best is use the first one for normal scenes and the second at specific moments of the storyline which get more significance and don't bothers the player

Damn this comment section is war But people Cutscenes are cutscenes

1:46 is this really the time to ship?

cool video

How bout some good cutscenes in xp ?

The good cutscene though has way too much irrelevant text ...

Boi, I can't even initiate a cutscene, nevermind make a good one.

So basically ... The bad cutscenes are something like what you see in a nes rpg like Final Fantasy 3 ... While the good cutscenes are something out of snes or ps1 .... But that good cutscene was so funny lol

@TeamUnpro

5 жыл бұрын

It was badly titled, but what I was going for was to put effort into your scenes :P But yes, yes it was.

Hey nice made. I would like to ask you the name of the 1st music. It sounded so godlike.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

idr which one I used sorry, I just know it was from Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsound.com

@VendonJura

6 жыл бұрын

Uff then it'll be like finding a needle in hay mountain and also problems with licenses. I thought it's from an rpg maker website where you just can buy it cheap but thanks for the response.

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

Dance In France 7 - Björn Skogsberg I found it

@VendonJura

6 жыл бұрын

Oh that is indeed the 1st one but I meant this one here 00:40 xD sry

@TeamUnpro

6 жыл бұрын

That's from a DLC xD idr which one it was tho (I think its from DLC idr it being originaL MV)

Ill have to be honest; i prefer the first one. Less is more