Anyone who has ever just tried to true a spoke wheel will sit in amazement at the skill and knowledge displayed here 😃👍. (And the project bike is coming along nicely too 😉!)

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, cheers!

It's a pleasure to know that master craftsmen still exist, but sad to know that they're becoming so rare.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and yes also :(

Sir Paul McCartney in the background @Willis Wheels… I like it! Watching the wheel rim being punched and then straightened was pretty interesting. I’ve never seen this before. Thanks for showing the process. It’s amazing to see how he keeps tweaking the spokes until perfect. To me, the length of the video was no issue. Educational entertainment takes what it takes. Well done! The new tire looks great! Happy riding.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

No problem, it was really interesting to see what’s involved rather than just dropping the wheel off and picking it up a week or so later.

Great video. As a bicycle mechanic and wheelbuilder myself, I was watching that (as I do all your content ) with great interest. Wheelbuilding is a craft, something between a science and an art. You need to decide on what sort of spokes and rim you want, measure, cut and thread spokes. The higher the number of crosses the spokes make, the stronger the wheel - as long as the angle isn't too acute. And finally, trueing itself has three components - lateral, radial, and dishing. Again, great video and full marks to you for going with a hand - built wheel, and to Willis Wheels for their craft.

That thread rolling machine gave me goose bumps, wouldn't want to get my fingers too close, though! Very informative video, Tony, thank you. It didn't seem long at all.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Yep there seems to be lots of places to lose a finger in Chris’s workshop!

Amazing skills!

Great to see such skill and craftsmanship at work here, this lovely gentleman is an absolute master at his game and not a computerised machine in sight. Reminds me of the consequences as kids when we decide to tighten your bike wheel spokes, especially when you have to tell your dad that you've just knackered your bike wheel. Never tightened a spoke since that day. Loved this Tony thank you.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I really enjoyed my time there filming.

Excellent video Tony, it's definitely an art form. I've never been able to live with the rapidly corroding spokes fitted as standard on various bikes I've owned, and always get them rebuilt using heavy duty stainless spokes, rims anodised etc . Your Enfield is looking great, the new size rim is spot on! Cheers, Steve

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve

Artisan at work. A very labour intensive job👍

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

It definitely is

What a skill. Great to watch an expert at work.

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

It was a fascinating day spent with Chris and his team

Jesus, that looks awesome, what a skill that wheel building is… great vids, keep em coming 👍👍

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

Looks great, always good to have a wider rear. Fair play to Chris, it looked terrible to begin with but persistence got there in the end. Enjoy!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

The bike definitely needed it. It amazing to watch how he just kept tweaking the wheel and then boom, straight as a die

Very nice Tony! It's a joy watching someone apply their craft to create something that leaves you wondering how they did it. I am glued here and await anxiously for all your upcoming vids!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Always fascinating, watching an accomplished expert at work. Is he a mechanic, an artist or a craftsman? All three perhaps? plus he can easily mix inches and millimeters.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

yes, i think mixing inches and millimetres is a traight of English people of a certain age. Mind you Chris is normally working on wheels from the 1920's to the 1960's!

Another excellent vid. Will seriously look into doing the same when I need to change tyres.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Amazing work im stunned

wow Tony what a great idea to film the process of wheel building, bike is coming nicely together, but have to tell the wheel builder is par excelant, what a craftsmanship in full display, always appreciated "how its made" stuff, looove it, cheers V!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bud

Wow, building a wheel is clever & interesting... I wouldn't have the patience for that. Loved the vid.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, I thought it would be an interesting process to document.

Watching that fella build that wheel was pure witchcraft.

Wow absolutely magnificent scale

A great skill, workmanship to die for very interesting to watch . Nice one Tony

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Loving the series Tony and can’t wait to see what more you do to your interceptor. I did something similar to my interceptor but went slightly more extreme 17” rims front and back with 3” 150/17 tyres 😬😬

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mike, I was considering the front too, but I could get the tyre I wanted in the right size, so it saved me some money

@daveinwla6360

2 жыл бұрын

How did the fatter front tire affect steering quickness?

@madhouse074

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveinwla6360 on the 17” front?…it made it turn in slower and for the first 30-40min it felt very odd but it didn’t take long to get used to it. For me, the fatter front end has given me a bit more confidence in the front end. Not a big fan of the standard Pirelli’s ..HTH.

@daveinwla6360

2 жыл бұрын

@@madhouse074 - Not unexpected from a standpoint of basic physics. In this case, the fatter tires give greater angular momentum - resulting in more resistance to turning and being harder to slow down and accelerate.

@madhouse074

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveinwla6360 in my experience the fatter tyre hasn’t had any adverse effects on acceleration or braking

I just love how Chris switches from metric to imperial and back again, measuring the angle of the spoke prior to punching - "7mm over 6 inches"

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know, he was jumping back and forth all the time!

@Intrudercaferacer

2 ай бұрын

the lenght of spokes used is 6 inches??? im trying to make my wheels too

Your bike looks great. Congratulations. I Will go on with your ideia for my bike .

Guess im ditchin my hole punch&hammer idear 😥😭...just kidding,great vid mate,shows what a pro will do&talkabout in a shop convo to you if you wanted a shop in say aus or us/euro ..vs a jocky chasing $$ talking crap just to get some money..

Fabulous video Tony. Chris is a master

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lloyd, yep it was a pleasure to watch him do his stuff

Great upload and insight into wheel building, I love learning about new things and would have enjoyed this video if it was twice as long 👍

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Looks nice that Tony, big improvement, love watching craftsmen in action 👍

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, it’s subtle but much better

Thanks for this video. I was going to try this myself but have now changed my mind!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

After my initial chat with Chris, it was obvious this was something I needed to hand over to a professional

@daveinwla6360

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto - How much did the job cost?

Will be interesting to hear how it handles now. For the looks it's a great mod, just hope that it hasn't made any difference to how it rides.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

So far i've found its improved it! but there will be a follow up video coming soon

@bill_4359

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto I did not like the Pirelli Phantoms on my 2017 Triumph Bonneville Street Cup. They would follow uneven cracks filled with tar to correct the road surface. I installed Conti Road Attack 3's on the bike and ran over the same roads with the tar snakes and the Road attack 3's were just great. I have confidence in the Contis that I never had with the Pirellis. When it first jerked my wheels the handlebar all most came out of my hand. Scared the shit out of me. HaHa. Nice choice, I like the new wheels and tires. Take care and ride safe.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Bill, yep I had the phantoms on my street twin and didn’t like them. The problem is that they are an OEM tyre that’s not as good as a Phantom you’d buy off the shelf. They are made in a different factory to a lower cost. Seems a strange thing for Pirelli to do

Outstanding video Tony, really informative and a great production.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

That is Voodoo, what a craftsman

Wow that’s a real skill very impressive

Wow what an ld school type skill that is probably fading out now.?really nice tastefully done job.

Been waiting for the next vid in this series.great stuff 👍

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

This is fascinating, equal parts science and art. Thanks for sharing the process. I wonder if he'd take work from US customers? Love the idea of a wider 17 inch tire

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Possibly! worth reaching out to him

Hi T WHAT A REALLY INTERESTING VIDEO REALLY INJOYED IT.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks

amazing skill

Fascinating video. Great content.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Fantastic insight into wheel building.. would love to do this conversion myself as the 17” rim makes sense.. might need to use your links!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Drop Chris a message, he’s now got all the measurements 😉

I'd put a larger wheel in the front as well but, to each their own ;) it's looking great

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

I thought about it, but I couldn’t justify the extra cost.

The new wheel and bBike looks fantastic. I am also interested in how this will change the bike's handling characteristics.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

So far i've found its improved it! but there will be a follow up video coming soon

This was fascinating! Thank you

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Looks great. I would commit atrocities just to get my hands on a set of spokes to convert mine to 17s.😂🤣

Interesting, having built wheels for bicycles it's very similar process is involved except I didn't have to punch holes in the rims or cut spokes and make the treads on them. Definitely looks good on the bike interested on how the bike feels now with more rubber on the back.. Cheers mate

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, there will be a follow up riding video looking at how it’s changed the ride

Great video

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great job Man… unfortunately you can’t do this job in Italy.. 😢 Local law don’t allow to change tyres size different from the motorcycle registration document… 😢

@mancavemoto

6 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that

Great watching the wheel builder at work..Sure is an art truing the wheel.... No wonder cast wheels are predominant nowadays..Just one question, namely because I went for a wider rim on my Triton years ago. Did you check the available space between the swinging arm before deciding on a wide profile tyre....

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed it is. Yes I measured up to make sure the wider tyre cleared the chain and would have no issues with the swingarm. I had the benefit of seeing a bike with a 150 rear tyre, although that retained the 18 inch rear rim

What a great contribution, a question about how much was the final size of the spokes (in millimeters)?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Length or diameter?

@marlonalcides

9 ай бұрын

Length and diameter please…

my local wheel guy wanted to know what width rim was used 3" or 3 1/2". From Australia Thanks

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

the new rim is 4.5 inch

Lovely work there both on the bike and in making this video. Glad you retained the workmanship and no problem at all about the longer video. Have subscribed, guess I posted a question on your other video already about height and ground clearance. This video made me ask another question, is the rim width the same or more than the 18"? Cheers!

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks again. The rim was slightly wider the accommodate the 150 section tyre better.

I'm surprised you didn't take the opportunity to have a tubeless set-up.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Going tubeless would have been A LOT more expensive and I wasn’t that bothered about it

@daveinwla6360

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto - Would going tubeless involve sealing the nipples or mounting them in the rim's shoulder?

vidéo très intéressante 👍🏻 merci pour le partage !

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Pas de souci

Wow great job done by you and your team. Now what is your riding experience on different speed as there are so many persons have change the stock dimensions but they aren't successful specially in the higher speed the bike have wobbling issues. s

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

The tyres are a bit wider, but the overall diameter is the same as stock. You can see my feedback in Episode 3.5

Wheely interesting 😜

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Heheheheh

It’s an art

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

It sure is

It really does make a big difference to the looks. I had an inkling that building up spoked rims was tricky, but if it takes 100 or so tries to get the knack of it, it really doesn't make sense to DIY, does it?

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, yep no definitely something to leave to the professionals

Are there any aftermarket hubs for the Interceptor 650 ? or any hubs from other bikes that will fit? I’m looking for a slim hub for a chopper build

@mancavemoto

5 ай бұрын

I haven't found any so far, but you could try Fastec Racing in Newmarket, who could probably build one to your spec. I've seen their CNC work and its incredible!

Love to watch an expert ply their trade.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

me too it was fascinating stuff

Did you note down the before and after weights at all Tony? Wheel Vs Wheel and Tyre Vs Tyre?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t no, but there will be very little difference.

man whats the lenght of the spokes/??? please help meeee

Will it work if I just get a set of 17 inch alloy tubeless rims? Do I need to change anything or watchout for anything?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

You can use tubeless rims, they are just more expensive and a little bit more work when it come to lacing apparently. If you switch the front to a 17, you'll have to ensure the speedo still reads correctly

Hi. Chap how much for wheel and tyre in all ? (If you don’t mind me asking .

@mancavemoto

13 күн бұрын

You’d need to speak to Chris for current prices as the rims would have changed since the video was made. At the time rim and work plus tyre was about £450-500

Can you make a tubeless tyre with spokes??

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

You can, but you’d need to use a different rim to this one.

Very interesting video, and great results! Does the 110 on the front affect the speedo accuracy?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, and no it’s the same overall diameter, so no change

So if I put a fatter tyre to the oem rear wheel,, the tyre won't bulge??

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure I fully understand your question? You are limited to how wide a tyre you can fit on the stock width rim yes.

Why would you need a new Rim? I think the OEM Rim could support up to 150 as well.

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

The rim could possibly squeeze a 150 on it, but then the overall diameter would be larger, which changes the bikes angle and more importantly gearing. Moving to a 17 inch rim allows the wider 150 tyre and retain the same overall diameter.

@sugardaddy9721

Жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto ah, yes, so in order to retain the overall diameter you would need a smaller Rim. But why do you need to change the gearing with bigger wheel?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

Correct, if I put the 150 tyre on the 18 inch rim the overall wheel would be taller, effectively changing the gearing slightly. The rear wheel has to rotate further, which would give a higher speed for the same revs. So 70mph would now be 74mph. It’s not much, but it also robs acceleration a little. Secondary to that is the availability of certain tyres in 18 inches and there would be some clearance issues too 👍

@sugardaddy9721

Жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto wow, thanks alot for the explanation.

Well, I didn’t realise that there was so much science behind it, that guy completely lost me.

Perhaps I missed it on the first (and second) viewing but how was the final spoke tension set ? Nice idea for a video mate.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Chris did it by feel as he was truing the wheel

@dogphlap6749

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto Thank you for the explanation.

Great video mate really enjoyed watching it , has it changed the feel of the bike in any way ?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

The tyres are a massive improvement over the stock ones....theres a folow up video where I report back on the changes....

@dalewintle8099

Жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto cheers I`ll take a look , cracking content buddy 👍👍

So how did the fatter tires affect the quickness of steering and leaning?

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oqdhkryQqN20f8o.html

Hello Tony! Sorry if I missed that. Did you use a tube or did you make a tubeless conversion?

@mancavemoto

6 ай бұрын

Hi, No problem I stuck with a tube, it was a cheaper conversion and it seemed pointless putting a tubeless on the rear but not the front.

@thesundayrides

6 ай бұрын

@@mancavemoto Thanks, Tony! So you put a tubeless tire with a tube or Dunlop Mutant is available as tubed tire as well?

@mancavemoto

6 ай бұрын

Yep, no problem putting a tube in a tubeless tyre

@thesundayrides

6 ай бұрын

@@mancavemoto thanks for getting back to me! Ordered my new wheels. 17 font and rear. Will see!

What is the rim width? I am guessing 4.25" !

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

yep, correct

Fascinating, sadly I suspect a dying trade

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

yes, there are not people people doing it any longer, but Chris has a long list of jobs, so it'll keep him busy for a long time yet i suspect

Why do RE put 2 18” on ? Seems daft to me

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing because it was a very popular size on a lot of classic 'brit bikes'?

im guessing you had to lose the centrestand?

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

I took the centre stand off in Episode 2. I didn’t want it on the bike

Was this an expensive exercise?

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

No, it cost around £450 including the tyres and their fitting.

4.25" x 17" rim????

@mancavemoto

3 ай бұрын

Yes

Hi, What’s the rear wheel rim size ?

@mancavemoto

3 ай бұрын

4.25 x 17

@rifayahamed2640

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for your reply. I am trying to buy 17x3.50" (120/70-17 front tire) & 17x4.25" rear (for 150/70-17 tire). Can you please advise, these setup will work on interceptor 650 without any issues?

@mancavemoto

3 ай бұрын

The rear is the same as on mine, so no issues with that, just keep an eye on the clearance on the chain guard. It appears that they don’t all fit the same on these bikes, but it’s easy to trim. Not sure about the front, sounds like it will be ok

true tolerance?

@mancavemoto

23 күн бұрын

of what?

@Intrudercaferacer

23 күн бұрын

@@mancavemoto the rims... tolerance is 1mm?

Outex tubeless kit?

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Too unreliable, I’m happy sticking with tubes

@HaggisPower

2 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto Had problems in the past, or just suspicious? I'm about to replace my tyres and thinking I might try the kit. Everyone I know that is running the kit is pleased with the results..

How’s it handle now Tony?

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Lovely, just having better quality rubber has made a big improvement. It still feels manoueverable, but a little more planted and it rolls into bends much nicer now

Qual a medida dos pneus novos??

@mancavemoto

10 ай бұрын

150/70-17 Traseira e 110/80-18 dianteira

@carlosgomes156

10 ай бұрын

Muito obrigado por ter respondido!! Um abraço

Wonder if he has a young apprentice to pass on the skills?

@mancavemoto

2 ай бұрын

Sadly not at the moment

So many people spending too much time and way too much money on overcapitalising their interceptors with what they consider their preferred aesthetic. Also everything a bit technical gets done by some expert at great cost, do it yourself Obviously you blokes spend far more time looking at your bikes rather than riding them. I've been riding here in Australia for 45 years and always do all my own work including making custom parts. I have a near new interceptor with which I hunt down and blow away Triumphs on the many great bike roads around Armidale NSW. So stop looking at your tyre size or getting the brat stance and get out and ride the thing! Regards, Brian

@mancavemoto

10 ай бұрын

At any point have you checked the milometer on this bike? Brian maybe you’re spending too much time writing these type of comments on KZread videos instead of riding your bike? Wheel building is also a highly skilled speciality and one which is rather entrust to an expert.

@danielkerr4100

3 ай бұрын

No offense but I can't stand people like you who tell others what to do or assume to know what they do, there's nothing wrong with changing stuff on your bike because we all have our own preferences, and tbh this is something id be er attempt on my own, rims are one of the most important parts and have to be fine right for safety so it's worth spending on it if you do it. Also nothing wrong with spending more time doing the bike up than riding it, each to their own.

I understand English, I'm a native speaker, but ol' mate might as well have spoken Arabic or Mandarin. I would have understood just as much. 😆 Love his passion and competence!

@jeffarnie

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tomasz.P___b I think what Jimmy B is saying is that the technical explanation of it all is not easy to grasp. I heard every word also but not being wheel builder it was all gobbly gook to my brain.

Witchcraft.

What?! What..I..what??!!

Shame a pot hole would kill all that hard work

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

but at least Chris could fix it! If it was a cast wheel it would need replacing