Not too many people are honest enough to let us know when they spend money and it didnt work out. Thank you for sharing!! PS...your 3D printed harness cover is not that bad. :)

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Happy to share my experience and will be glad if it is useful. My 3d printed cover is functional, but it isn't finished. It is just plastic with no paint on it. I am going to try a new trick on the front of the bike, but if that won't work I will come back and finish the harness and polish and paint the cover.

Hello Max ,i think the problem with the upgrades is that people are always trying to turn the interceptor into a triumph Bonneville ,when in fairness the inter is bang on the money for the early 60 s 650 Triumphs ,if its working why fix it .Anyway thanks as usual for giving us a balanced viewpoint .all the best Chris

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi Chris! Thanks for your comment! I know, I agree, it’s all about getting those false expectations from ads and reviews and then getting upset with the fact something didn’t meet them! On another hand, I was thinking another day and you kind of read my mind: it is not about making interceptor into something that it is not, it is about making the most out of what it already is. And for me - it is just a nice hobby and a fun way of spending time. So expect more upgrades and some of them will inevitably fail!

Better brake pads , top quality tires , quality relays and more functional mirrors are the priority mods - the rest are optional. Thanks for the heads up especially the power commander which was supposed to increase power but reduces it.

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! I am using Fuel X, not the power commander. I personally can't say what has changed, but my friends say they feel the difference. Bike has more stable rpm in low range. OK. My the bike has changed again since this video - I added top-quality tires and smaller wheels, relays didn't give me any problem, and the mirror give me a great visibility, but I don't like looking down at it, so may replace for something else. will get decent bar end mirrors

Thanks for your honesty and humility…

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

You are welcome, bro

Thanks for putting this out. I own a 2023 Int650. I added engine guards and saddlebags, but haven't upgraded anything yet. Hearing your experience is super helpful! I think the two things I want to do (eventually) is aftermarket pipes and an LED bulb. Keep up the good work!

@matthewarmstrong4999

Ай бұрын

Oh, also meant to say, your video quality / cinematography choices are particularly good.

@thesundayrides

Ай бұрын

Hi Matthew! Thank you very much! Both of your ideas are good ones. Especially the pipes!

@thesundayrides

Ай бұрын

@@matthewarmstrong4999 Many thanks for this one. I am doing my best and learning!

I totally get what you're saying about the suspension. Every time I come across "new shock" making my interceptor feel like a whole new bike, I can't help but roll my eyes. I put Hagons on there just for the looks, and honestly, there's not a big change. When you're riding a 47hp motorcycle on the road, the gap won't be that noticeable.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts! I am happy with the looks and that’s enough from them. I need to investigate the ‘rim-to-curb bang’ issue though. That is becoming annoying. The stock suspension was better! 😂😂😂

Really helpful video , thanks a lot and have a safe ride 🍻

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! And you too bro!

I have a Fuelx lite, DNA Filter and Powerage silencers. It did appear to run slightly better, more responsive with pipes and filter ...and sounded much better (to me anyway), although not much difference performance-wise. I did notice a difference when I fitted the Fuelx, admittedly quite subtle; the bike was flexible and not snatchy beforehand but it felt better still after fitting the Fuelx and pulled more smoothly at lower revs. For the rest of the rev range it felt like I was running the engine on a cool damp day, even when it wasn't cool or damp ... conditions where internal combustion engines always run better. As you mention the bike runs cooler too. None of the changes make a huge difference and the Fuelx in particular was expensive but overall I'm happy with how it turned out.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey Leigh! Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience. It is interesting to see that we witnessed more or less the same outcome. If I had known this from my personal experience with another bike, I would not have done fuel x, filter, and pipes. I would have stopped after swapping the silencers. The most positive outcome for me from all of this is that the weight of the bike was reduced dramatically - which in turn maked a huge difference to the bike's dynamics! And the money not spent on fuel, filter, and pipes, I would spend on a 17-inch rear wheel and a wider tire. I am really excited about this upgrade. But it is so expensive, so still struggling to 'sign it off'!

This is one of the best most honest videos on KZread. I have felt your pain on a few bikes. The hype seems in many cases never equals the expectations. Thank you

@thesundayrides

3 ай бұрын

Hi Steve! Thanks! In the end I got where I wanted with this bike and learned a lot on the way. No regrets after all. But next time I would do it differently.

Thanks for your honest advice. Very helpful.

@thesundayrides

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Happy to help! Should you have any questions on the mods, please get in touch!

Excellent video!

@thesundayrides

7 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, man!

Great video and honest review! I own a 2021 Conti GT "Ice Queen" and have done some of the same mods as you - the TEC big bore pipes/cans, DNA filter, air injection delete, front and rear shocks changed out, as well as blacked out the engine covers. I will say that my suspension in both the front and rear are noticeably improved - I went with the YSS front fork suspension, and the Shock Factory shocks for the rear. What I liked about Shock Factory is that they asked questions pertaining to what kind of riding you intend to do, weight (solo/w passenger), and they preset the dampening. Personally, I recommend these products as the handling is like a gem now. Looking forward to more of your content - cheers!

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks man for a nice comment and a compliment to the channel! I saved a bit of money and upgraded rear shock to the one from Tec. I should have spent a bit more and upgraded to the yss may be. I still have a front one to do, and that time I will use yss! Best, Max

That is honest content we are looking for!

@thesundayrides

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much Ruben! Just sharing my journey, ups and downs! Not selling anything. Thanks for the feedback

The EBC HH pads made a huge difference on my Interceptor especially for the rear break. I added just an LED headlight bulb which was plug and play. Huge difference. Good video and thanks for sharing.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey there! I can only guess that I don't feel the difference because the previous owner swapped the brake pads for something better than stock. I chose Bates mainly for aesthetic reasons, but I will swap it soon with something much brighter, at least for winter.

All the kind of mods I was planning for my bike but had no genuine feedback till date. Totally appreciate this video. So far I modified my bike with Flat tracker handlebar, Bitwell grips and Sahara seat. I believe these mods are more than enough, however there is always an itch to trying something new :)

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

I know man! Itching to try something new. And sometimes even knowing the outcome you still go ahead completely irrationally. But just for the fun of doing it. Great upgrades you have on the bike. What do you think about swapping the silencers?

@kishoresaphcm9045

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides Tried the free flow short cans from a local company. PROS- Aesthetically great . Made the bike liter by 15 kilos. Cons - Too loud for my taste. Will attract bad attention from neighbors. Cannot tolerate them for longer rides. It is only after switching back I realized how much I missed the stock silencers sound and weight. PersonalIy stock pipes are good enough I only wish it could have come in that brushed steel look.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@kishoresaphcm9045 agreed, I am not a big fan of obnoxiously loud pipes either. The ones I have from Tec are not very loud. No complaints received to date.

Nicely done review of products - no question, it's always personal taste that decides what you think you need for your 650 Twin, but as you rightly say..."not everything that is offered" is really necessary .

@thesundayrides

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! I am mainly driven by the looks and if I can add just a little bit of extra performance (in acceleration and/or braking) I'd go for it. Also I am fine with wrong turns, it is all a part of the journey!

Honest opinion bro... Cheers

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, bro!

Thanks Max, great honest content once again. I was considering shorter shocks, was thinking of Hagon shocks are yours from Tec? Was also considering changing the pads. Thanks again.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi Andreas! You are welcome 🙏 Yes, shocks are from Tec. I might upgrade the front forks with the yss kit and will be able to compare.

Firstly really interesting video I enjoyed it very much... I have a 2019 enfield intersepter all I changed was the oil I have done nothing extra it still has its stock paper filter I still have the tyers on which will need changing soon I love my bike as it is I did put a back rack and engine gards on plus a small screen changed the head light bulb to led .. the top speed I have had out of my Enfield was 110 m.p.h .... it did not shake or become unstable . But I didn't get the bike for it's speed I just love been out following country roads

@thesundayrides

3 ай бұрын

Hello and thanks for your lovely comment! Of course, there is nothing wrong with the bike as it is and there is absolutely no need to change anything, but... this is one of a few bikes these days that are modern, but looks classy; simple and affordable; and upgradable with so many aftermarket parts. I chose Interceptor because of that. I enjoy working and customizing the bike as much I enjoy riding it along the country roads :)

Bike looks great. Just enjoy it.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I do! Equally, I enjoy experimenting with it and completely OK with the fact some changes don't make sense!

very good video. re suspension, did you do just the rear suspension and is that TEC units?

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, buddy. Yes, that is TEC unit. I was thinking about YSS front, but didn't do it yet.

always useful

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Stanley! Did you decide on the new bike?

@stanleylawson9015

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides not as yet but very close indeed

We need proper video brother !! This looks amazing

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey Brother! Thanks for the comment and the compliment. Sorry, I didn’t get it, which proper video do you mean is needed?

I would leave the Air filter & don’t bother with the fuelX Interesting video👍🏻

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey John! Thanks for stopping by! Yeah, i agree! I will leave both of them in, since I already spent money on them. But next time, I won’t bother unless I am doing more serious performance upgrades, including camshaft

I like my GT the way it is, I may change the exhaust and headlamp in the future, but nothing else. Rest will remain the same.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Fair enough! I started my customisation journey from changing the handlebars. I didn’t plan to change anything else. And then I got customisation bug…

@motoman9323

8 ай бұрын

lol @@thesundayrides

A true honest

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, brother!

Exhaust & air filter upgrades make the bike run leaner and hotter you need to change the mapping so the bike can run richer and cooler. fuel x Pro with 10 mapping settings can change the mixture. As for the suspension best change the front forks with YSS performance kit and thicker oil and progress springs much better handling. Then changing the rear shocks. I think you are not feeling the benefits because of your lack of riding experience as it's your first bike.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right. Everyone learns in a different way. I, for instance, like the practical trial and error method. Lean condition, afr correction all that is clear. There is a lot of opinion on the internet that these simple upgrades improve the performance. Well it is not enough and more mods are required. Could you suggest the way to improve performance (without bbk)?

@nigel-rs6ny

8 ай бұрын

ride ride ride ride@@thesundayrides

@nigelchambers8056

8 ай бұрын

Ride ride ride ride will always improve the performance

I just bought a leftover 2022 GT and have added Denali DM's for additional lighting. Might change out halogen headlight for LED unit. Nothing else. If I want more performance I'll just get on my BWM R1250RS., with all the factory bells and whistles.

@thesundayrides

4 ай бұрын

Fair. I am just starting out and can't imagine myself on a BMW R1250RS. Each rider has their own way.

I changed the rear suspensions and its a whole different feeling. Mine was Ohlins, its a little bit steep on the cost, but its a good change. At least that's how I feel it.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey there! I used a cheaper part. Can you elaborate a bit more - what difference you feel?

@songkok7hitam

8 ай бұрын

​@@thesundayrideswell it cruises a bit better especially when taking corners, it feels a bit "nimble" after the change. Not sure if its the right words here. But when I cruise left and right it does feel a little bit better than stock one.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@songkok7hitam sounds great, man! I will probably change the front suspension next spring too

Thank you for changing that large dumb headlamp, exhaust, and the seat..! This one is the best custom for me.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks man! The seat and exhaust are must do mods! I didn't like the stock headlamp either, but the one I put have some compromises as well. thinking about another mod on the front of the bike

Personally with suspension i had yss front and rear shocks fitted rear with piggy backs, i had them fitted and tuned by a professional shop who only deals in motorbike suspension, i honestly notice the difference right away, the tip in was quicker it was snappier and it held its lean angle very well, so much so with stock suspension I never scraped the pegs now it scraps the pegs and my tec 2 into 1 header which is another problem. I think with suspension my thoughts are if you put better ones on the rear, it over exaggerates the front and you also get what you pay for hands down best thing i have done everyone has there own expereinces

@thesundayrides

Ай бұрын

I should do it too at somepoint. I'd like both front and rear to be YSS, but didn't decide which variant of YSS shock to put on the back

I think the tec 2 into 1 was the best upgrade i did. The bike was significantly lighter. That is my only complaint about the interceptor in stock form. It’s too heavy. I also added the air filter and a booster plug. The bike certainly runs cooler. Massive power gains?? I think not. However I do enjoy the sound and the ride and that’s what it’s all about. Your bike looks great by the way.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Matt! That's exactly my thoughts! The main bonus of tec full exhaust system for me was weight reduction. The Sound was already amazing after swapping the silencers. Interestingly, my next video is about weight reduction! Stay tuned!

@markmorrison1035

8 ай бұрын

how could you possibly know it runs cooler?

@mattdog1982

8 ай бұрын

@markmorrison1035 pre the changes the bike was like an inferno when I finished a ride. Now it's cooler. Not very technical I know.

Sometimes keeping things original is a good idea

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi there! Thanks for watching and dropping a comment! You see, I bought this bike specifically to experiment with customization. some upgrades went well, while some didn't. and more to come. I am sharing my experience. Good and bad.

Hi, i own a interceptor and especially for brakes, in rear you can swap the rotor and caliper brackets with meteor 350 and its plug and play and i did it. And try to find a double piston caliper(available in many re bikes and even front caliper might be direct fit) for rear to like max out the brakes, On front, there are many levels of upgrades like 4 piston caliper>parallel mount>abs tec upgrades>dual rotor system like in thruxton, which might be a over kill but looks cool...

@angeldon5005

8 ай бұрын

So I think front brakes are decent enough, upgrades would be like go for 4 piston caliper...... and in rear, meteor 350 rotor and caliper is a very cheap option for a plug and play process which is kinda enough. Or upgrade the caliper

@angeldon5005

8 ай бұрын

And for performance, instead of piggyback, do a proper ecu performance tuning and set air filter.., in big budget, go for 883 bore kit..... for suspension, in front try using a preload adjusters which is cheap in india (4krs) and swap the oil with high grade oil. In rear, swap with yss or ohlins, recently tec cnc uk has a budget friendly suspension on rear.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey! Thanks for all of your suggestions! I got a lot of feedback on Fuel X/airfilter, which I wish I knew before investing. So my plan is to upgrade the camshaft, high compression pistons and do a proper ECU tune. That's on the roadmap for spring. Re: brakes. I think I keep them as they are. Swapping callipers seems daunting.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

I agree on the big bore kit. But that's a lot of money. May be a better option will be to sell the INT and get Street Twin or Speed Twin. Re: front suspension. Can you please send a link? Here in the UK I can only find the YSS upgrade kit that consists of new springs, preload and damping adjusters. Re: rear suspension. I am running tec gas shocks and I don't see any significant difference. I think it made it even worse, due to this awkward sound

The original brake pads are also sintered. Hence the marginal difference on changing to aftermarket ones.

@thesundayrides

7 ай бұрын

I didn’t know that! The truth it - don’t believe the reviews, do your own research first. Well, I had to start somewhere

Max, don't compare the RE Interceptor to a triumphs performance, that's not apples to apples(not equal/fair). Great job doing the improvements and having a better bike. 🏍️🥺😲🧸 Doug

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

Hey Doug! Thanks! Yeah, that won't be a fair comparison. I love how the bike looks and rides after everything I did to it, but can't settle ... and thinking of what do to next with it.

I almost feel kinda sad for you having spent so much money on such costly parts; shows just how easily the internet can dupe unsuspecting people! To be honest, the "performance" upgrades people feel after changing the parts you've bought and installed are mostly placebo effects (and notice how nobody actually provides hard numbers on the improvements they "experienced") 😁 I've got 2 Enfields (a 2005 350cc model and a 2013 EFI 500cc model) and regularly ride and service many of these modern Enfields. In my experience, unless you're riding these bikes on the edge (consistently above half open throttle), the stock air filter, stock brakes and stock suspension can handle everything perfectly. In fact on the Interceptor: - Raising the preload on the stock suspension makes the bike more stable at high speeds and while cornering above 40Kmph (25mph+) - Removing the top cap on the stock air filter cover helps the filter breathe better (and you hear a slight bit more induction noise) - Swapping the front brake master cylinder for a Brembo RCS 19 will make a world of difference to the stopping power, allowing you to test the actual limits of the stock engine power. All other performance upgrades (bolt-ons) are surface level, only capable of making a tangible difference once some form of engine work is carried out (big bore kit, bigger throttle bodies) Hope this helps you Max, and anyone reading this comment! Cheers, Stan.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi Stan! Yes! It does help! Thank you for such a wonderful explanation. After reading your previous comment, I decided to invest into the engine mods, but will hold it off until spring. May be we can even create an episode together, where you will talk to people via my channel and I will show how to really improve the performance and what order of upgrades does make sense. Thank you, Stan, for the time you spent to write such a detailed response to my video! I appreciate it a lot!

I installed the Fuel X pro so i could experiment with the different settings. I can't tell the difference in performance from one setting to another. They say that 3 is the stock ratio, it runs the same on 3 as it does on 7. I am planning to remove it and go back to stock set up.

@thesundayrides

6 ай бұрын

Hey! Thanks for sharing your experience! Exactly matches mine. By the way, I spoke to a professional mechanic why it is like that - he said it is a supporting mod for further (real) performance upgrades and he suggested the way forward. More details in the video this Saturday!

Hey man... try cleaning the o2 sensors as the fuelx module alters the data based on what the sensors read. If they are faulty, they might be causing it to not work properly.

@thesundayrides

4 ай бұрын

Hey man! I don’t think they are, but how to check them?

@jaskeeratsingh6784

4 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides Honestly, I don't have an expertise on how to fix them but if you have tried all possibilities and nothings working then there's no harm checking it.

@thesundayrides

4 ай бұрын

@@jaskeeratsingh6784 cool, thanks man! Good remark

Straight pipes is your problem actually. Because they do not generate needed amount of back pressure. That's why your bike is weak at low and mid RPMs. Fuel management and filter didn't make your bike worse. Straight pipes needed for top-end race track power only. Stock ECU just cannot give you as much fuel as your bike needs with those pipes. So, keep your DNA kit, keep your Fuel X, and throw those straights out. Then you'll see.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi Dmytro! Thanks! Interesting suggestion! I bet I will not feel anything again because small power increases will be compensated with weight increase. I swapped air filter and added fuel x a few month before I swapped the pipes. The speed test was also done with the old pipes. Anyway, I love experimenting and learning new stuff. I wish I was a professional mechanic or an experienced racer. That would have been more helpful. But I learn as I go and people like you help a lot. 🙏 thanks

I put in a new LED bulb into the stock headlight housing- pretty easy and lots of space inside, so i could run the extra line to my USB port i put on from the headlight. Bulb is: NIGHTEYE H4 Hi/Lo Beam LED Headlight Bulbs,High Brightness 72W 9000Lumens 6500K Xenon White Extremely Bright COB LED Chipsets HB2 9003 Headlight/Fog-light Conversion Kit(pack of 2) video to put it in. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d46ZxZaEYsvWopc.html

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Wonderfull! That's a great advice, mate! Also very timely for the winter darkness!

The bevel drive of the Kawasaki 800 is the best feature of the bike. No cam chain to snap and destroy your engine. Once you reply all the mediocre parts on the RE 650 it is not a bargain anymore.

@thesundayrides

3 ай бұрын

If you don’t find fun in customising bikes, one less reason to buy interceptor in the first place

@frankmarkovcijr5459

3 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides What does the bevel drive have to do with customizing a bike? I was referring to the quality of the motor. Chain drive snap and destroy your engine.

@thesundayrides

3 ай бұрын

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 You talked about replacing “mediocre parts” and it not become a bargain anymore.

@frankmarkovcijr5459

3 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides What of what I said was inaccurate? Once you replace all the adequate yet mediocre parts the bike is not the bargain it claims to be.The Kawasaki has Japanese quality and reliability. The bevel drive is the best feature of the W800 as it will not snap like a Cam chain and destroy your engine.

The free flow pipes will mess up your performance by a large margin.. Loss of back pressure.. Stick with the fuelx/ free flow air filter/ and the slip on exhausts.. This combo will help extract the most performance from the stock mill without impacting reliability..

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, man! I don't understand this technical bit, I need to research or I wish someone technical explains me how it works. This fella explains that free flow pipes create negative pressure which helps: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2Zsz8WvZrrLnrQ.html

People think, just changing the air flow on an engine gains power. You have to change the fueling on the engine. The ECU fueling adjust a little bit for elevation changes. Most likely you loose power when you just changing parts.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey! Thanks for watching and thanks for stopping by! Isn't it what Fuel X there for? I got it. It should match fuel ratio with greater air flow. Is my simplistic understanding right?

@Woopb

8 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@thesundayridesyes, they kinda work. The plug and play stuff is for an avrage engine models (forr your engine). Even it's the same engine they are not exactly the same. Most of the time they kinda work. The same engine models will respond better than others. Those things are ball park tuning. Doesn't mean it will always work. It's probably not the filter at all. You can't exactly tell unless you dyno it. Different brands of aftermarket parts response differently 😁. I'm not a pro, based on my experience and professional tuner/mechanics advice. 1:12

That has not been successful for you, the best thing I did for my Himalayan was to fit EBC HH pads in both front and rear and they have made a big difference especially to the front as I felt for road riding the supplied pads lacked any feel. It might be worth having a chat with Hagon regarding rear shocks as I understand they can tune them to your weight, they certainly said that to me when I enquired about replacing the monoshock on the Himmy. The bates style headlamp is really just about the look and never really performs well enough. I think the later Interceptors have an LED unit replacing the halogen setup. You could always refit the old headlight and upgrade the standard halogen lamp to a brighter lamp. Halfords offer 150% or 200%brighter lamps that fit straight in . I don't know if there is an ECU remapping service for the Intercepter as this would take advantage of the free flow DNA air filter and the exhaust system.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hello Dave! Thanks for the feedback! Concerning the pads, it is plausible that the previous owner might have made a switch. The Brembo pads they had on were just as effective as my new EBC pads, I must say. With regard to the headlight, I tend to avoid riding during nighttime, except for those early morning weekend journeys, so it doesn't really pose a major issue for me. I actually replaced the stock light with a Bates light purely for aesthetic reasons. However, I do have intentions to replace it with a new and contemporary headlight in one of the upcoming episodes. In terms of the ECU, there is actually a garage that provides this service. You can send them your ECU, and they will reprogram it and return it to you. I need to conduct further research on this, but I intend to wait until closer to the start of the new season since winter is approaching and it isn't an urgent matter. Once again, I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to watch my latest episode!

Did you use Fuelx lite or pro?

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

I use Lite because I was convinced by the "auto tune" function. I don't see myself switching maps.

@tl924

2 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides I got the pro and did feel a difference. I switch maps for different weather and because I wanted to eventually get a performance cam. I noticed the bike runs significantly cooler on hot days when I use the higher map settings and this has allowed me to be in stop and go traffic or slower city speeds and not worry about the engine being too hot.

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

@@tl924 interesting! It seems that I missed out on this one! Thank you very much for sharing! Will help others

Let's be honest...how much performance beyond stock do we really need?

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Yes, you are right. For me working on this bike and changing things is a great way to spend time and enjoy the bike. It is not about making the bike into something that it is not, it is about making the most our of what it already is

She already comes with brembo sintered pads as stock, and you did make a bad decision with the fuelx, an ecu remap or a standalone piggyback ecu would be the way too go, as long as you don't sort out the fueling you would never be able to utilise the air filter and pipes to the full extent.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for you comment man! That is exactly my point - there is so much positive comments on the internet, but no one explains how to make these upgrades really work and show real performance gain

Well I don't know. Its just not a hot motor. Only 2 valves per cylinder, relatively low compression, only 650 cc. Air cleaners and exhaust ain't gonna do much. That big bore kit, though...!

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, big bore is tempting.. but then again, it is £3k+ upgrade that brings this bike to Street Twin 1200 territory price wise .. but with 'modest' brakes and fuel tank capacity. Re: hot motor. My way of thinking was like this: with less restricted air filters and pipes fuel mixture becomes lean, the lean mixture burns hotter, fuel x corrects the AFR, thus cooling it down. Do you see an error in this sequence?

@stevetodd693

8 ай бұрын

I counted 4 valves per cylinder when i checked the valve adjustment @ 300 miles. What engine are you referring to? Mine is a 650 interceptor (2023).

Have you worked on your tyre ?

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

No, not yet! Choosing new tyres for the UK winter season now. Any recommendations?

@yezdi_90

7 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides I have one sunset strip, planning to get a kenda or shinko.

If an original manufacturer produces tenthousends of product (in this case bikes) I dont get why some people thing, just swapping a few random parts here and there mostly with products made by (compared to the original manufacturer) "backyard companies" will get you massive improvements? I think RE knows best what works with their bikes only exception is some production cost dictated decisions as you have it with all mass produced tech.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

You are correct to a degree, but not entirely. Each manufacturer has a target BOM and performance envelope. They are building a product for a specific market and at a specific price. They also have a lot of regulations to comply with. When you are working on your own bike, car, push bike, or whatever, you are free to choose another compatible part that would bring additional performance. parts that I changed are not random, but I didn't do enough to actually see the performance upgrade. I am teaming up with an experienced mechanic and we will explain why exactly the mods I did didn't give the outcome I expected, and what can be done to actually see the performance upgrade.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

By the way, most of my upgrades are purely aesthetic - handlebars, mud guards, exhaust, indicators. Those I chose to make the bike look like I want it, my own taste. What does it have to do with Royal Enfield producing 10k bikes? Aren’t we buy bikes to express ourselves?

@Beavis-et8ox

8 ай бұрын

Hi, thank you for the reply. I total agree, if you change parts because you dont like the look or want to make your bike more individual, cool idea, I do the same. But if I know I need more power, my solution would be buying a More powerful bike in the First place but People are different and thats good. Thank YOU for your great Videos and have a great weekend.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@Beavis-et8ox thanks man! Yes, I get your point! It’s fair! My problem is that I like interceptor and the way it looks and rides but it lacks just a bit of power. The next bike I like will be the speed twin 1200, but that is a huge jump in price and performance. I am curious how far can I go with the interceptor. Obviously quick and cheap mods didn’t help I need a more thorough approach. Thanks for your compliments about the channel! Much appreciated, mate!

@Beavis-et8ox

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides wow speed twin is a huge step, really. I have got an oldtimer Z1000j Kawasaki for when I need some more power. Classic look, but still cheap. Not really as reliable as a new bike but for reliability I have the Interceptor and my favourite the slow but "get you everywhere" Himalayan :-)

If you really want to see some performance gains, change out the cam and pistons. All other stuff will be marginal.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Yes, that’s the plan for the spring!

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Have u tried it?

@darthgator639

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides Yes I have both, and if you pair it with a good tune-up you can expect up to 10hp increase.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@darthgator639 cool, great. Are you from the uk by any chance? If so, so you know a good ecu tuner?

Get your ecu re-mapped brother, i really do doubt the fuel-x actually does nothing other than fixing the fueling just a little bit, upto my knowledge i think u have installed all the hardware needed for performance but have not done anything with the software(ecu), aggressive hardware without a good software update is proven to be a waste of money,get it remapped by a good tuner and give it a last try, thank you

@thesundayrides

5 ай бұрын

Hey there! Yes, I will do! Lots of people recommended the same, so I just need to find a good tuner in my area! Thanks!

we have no idea what efi parts you changed because you didn't tell us!! Regarding the brakes, sintered (powered metal) pads will provide extra stopping power after you get them hot! Stock pads, (I could not see them!) assuming they are organic, can be improved if you properly bed them into the disk, with several hard stops. Google. Rear suspension can be tuned to suit your riding style and preference . . but first identify some aspect that you would like to change. An example would be rebound damping, which on the stock shocks isn't adjustable, and might be inadequate when the bike is ridden hard. But do you ride it hard enough to notice?? Because as you noticed, increasing damping makes the suspension stiffer! Cheers.

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hi Richard! Thank you for your comments and questions! Yes, I didn't mention the brands in this video because it is a negative one, and I didn't want to create any negative publicity for these brands. There is nothing wrong with the products; they just didn't work for me. However, I am ready to provide more details and answer questions in the comments. I used a DNA Air filter and the Fuel X fuel-injection optimizer. The stock pads were Brembo, but I'm not sure which type. I bedded the new pads with a couple of hard stops; maybe it wasn't hard enough. I will wait for dry weather, follow your advice, and do it again. The suspension isn't stock. There are rear shocks from Tec. It is set up according to my weight, and the rebound is 3 clicks from the softest settings. I just think there was nothing wrong with the stock suspension; it's perfectly adequate for most riding. If you need something special (and you know exactly what), then you need to get a higher spec unit than the Tec gas shock. I'm not sure what you mean by "riding it hard enough" - breaking the speed limits and riding recklessly on public roads? Then maybe not. My point was that if you aren't riding like a race track rider, the stock rear shocks are fine. The front suspension is another story, though. It makes a clanking noise when going over a bumpy road. That could use some improvement. I can't wait to get it fixed with the YSS upgrade kit. Anyway, thanks for watching the video and taking the time to write a comment and share your experience! Much appreciated!

@ihateemael

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides good job Max, sounds like you are publishing real world results after thorough testing. I would publish brand names to go with your results. Your vid reads very well, it doesn't come across as "bashing" at all. If "products" are marketed to improve something, and they don't, "we" need to know. Then manufacturers will improve their game . . like wth "efi" mods. Can I suggest something? . . i'm a little concerned you hear "clanking" from your fork internals. That should be investigated asap. Cheers, Richard.

hi cheap budget type shocks are a waist of money i been there

@thesundayrides

7 ай бұрын

100% thanks for the comment, man

0-60 in 11.7 seconds? What were you doing? Pushing the bike yourself?

@thesundayrides

2 ай бұрын

Haha pedalling

It seems like you were disappointed by there not being a dramatic difference after each of your mods. If youd done the mods with a conservative or more informed state of mind, youd know that plonking on a staright pipe + end can+ air filter you need a full blowm tune to go with as well. The fuel x is only a fuel optimiser that enriches the fueling minimaly over 7 progressive stages. With regards to the suspension, its onvious youve not set it up for your weight ,if youd correctly set up the suspension for comfort you wont feel its hard (duh) Ive run my interceptor with almost similar mods as you , (no free flow headers*) Yss fromt and back, set up for my weight and agrressive riding style especially for the mountains. Results i noticed no more scary weaving and bobbing in coners or hitting a flat patch whem going down hill on a poorly designed roads (very common India) thr stock front suspension would bottom out and almost feels like im going into a stoppee(exaggerated for explaining context). With the yss it would not bottom out in these situations and would damoen the effect without unsettling my bike. Its not a set amd ride everywhere thing. Needs adjustment depending on surfaces. Thr fuelx and airfilter + exhaust mod has made the bike run cooler for me. I have a temp guage from jmp so i know in real terms whem the bike runs hot . I run the 8th map with my exhaust+filter mods. Most improvement i felt after the above three were whem cornering at lower speeds on slow corners. The bike pulls smoothly without jerks from almost below 2k rpms

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Hey there and thanks for watching and sharing your observations and experiences. After reading all the comments, I am considering upgrading the camshaft, high compression pistons and ECU tune for the spring. I did set the suspension: rider sag and rebound, yet didn't notice much difference. I just think the rear wasn't too bad on the stock bike. The front isn't great. So I may do the front too, and I hope the results will be more dramatic. Thanks for sharing your other notes too! Ride safe!

Basically you wish you kept your bike stock condition

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

😂😂hahaha, not at all! watch the other one, where I talk about my favorite mods kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHmuxNWknLHXfto.html

@jarviscardozo5695

8 ай бұрын

@@thesundayrides already did😎

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@jarviscardozo5695 cheers, bro!

TEC shock are just cheap Chinese stuff unlikely to be any better than stock

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

I was convinced by enormous amount of positive reviews on their website, that looked pretty genuine. But performance wise they are not far from stock. They weight less. That is an advantage

Love your honesty. Not at all surprised by the shocks. You basically exchanged Indian junk for Chinese junk. You have to pay more if you want better. A 2 second increase in 0-60 times us a HUGE drop in horsepower!

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, man! Well, I wanted to find out what all the fuss (and good reviews) was about. But let's not call it junk. It was designed to fit a specific price range. I agree with your point about paying more for better performance. Maybe considering a different bike would be a better idea then. However, I'm still very interested to see how far I can push the Interceptor while still being mindful of my expenses.

@porkey768

8 ай бұрын

If u think it was junk than why buy d bike at first place

@porkey768

8 ай бұрын

Thise bikes are not for d rich people like u well it was made for poor indians

@thesundayrides

8 ай бұрын

@@porkey768 if this is addressed to me, then I don’t think it was junk. But it doesn’t improve anything either. Only the looks!

The brown seat looks pretty crap with electric blue. And the number plate looks stupid.

@thesundayrides

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your valuable comment bro!

@matthewarmstrong4999

Ай бұрын

Disagree.

@IvanMectin

Ай бұрын

@matthewarmstrong4999 👍 It's only my opinion.