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@Sqwan2

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathan, I am looking for the flush trim bit with the spiral up / down cut but I can't find it. Do you have a link where I can order one or a name to look for?

@nikotallica

9 ай бұрын

It's only 10% off

Great book for a beginner . kzread.infoUgkxD-QRFQz730FJEh4f9BYSf-nkIMIC9hL_ this book really starts from the beginning, as in it explains what basic tools are and how to use them. But when it gets to the art of creating joints and how and when to use them this book really starts to teach you something. At least that was my experience.

The failure point causing the kick-back in your video samples is due to the lack of holding the workpiece. I would recommend using a Router Shield to get a better attachment point of the template. The template will need to be attached to the top side of the workpiece and the template is attached to the bottom side of the router shield. You can configure a template to the bottom side of the work piece and attach spacer blocks to the top side of the workpiece which attach to the Router Shield. Please note the bit rotation. The majority of router bits available are for clockwise rotation. When the router is inverted in a router table, the bit rotation will be counterclockwise. This means that the workpiece must be fed to the left side of the router bit. Pre-cutting the workpiece is very beneficial. However, proper attachment of the template is important to ensure a proper copy of the template. With that said, properly holding and feeding of the workpiece into the bit is also essential. A Router Shield will completely change how you use a router table. You can purchase a Router Shield from mobile solutions.

"Two squirrels humping in a wool sock." This is what keeps me coming back!! 🤣

"...... 2 squirrels humping in a wool sock!!!" AWESOME!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@rjgaynor8

3 жыл бұрын

I had to pause the video till I stopped laughing.

@genelomas332

3 жыл бұрын

@@rjgaynor8 ditto

@waynewilliams5353

3 жыл бұрын

That's only part of the saying. The entire saying I've heard my whole life in tennessee is "hotter than 2 squirrels cracking in a wool sock on a tin roof in august". And "colder than a well diggers a$$" lol

@humanperson1898

3 жыл бұрын

That’s something I’ve never heard before

@ThekiBoran

2 жыл бұрын

@@humanperson1898 That's ichiro's favorite expression.

About a year or so ago I was working on a project where it was an absolute pain to get close to the template and I just wanted to get the project over with. I tried taking too much material off at the end grain and the bit had caught the wood and pulled my hand into the bit. It hurt A LOT, but fortunately for me the wound wasn’t very big, just painful. It had fully healed after maybe about 1 week or a little longer. It was definitely a wake up call for me because I know it could have been MUCH worse. Everyone please be safe and take your time before you make a cut you’re uncomfortable with. I 100% agree with getting spiral bits over straight bits. I understand they cost more but they are well worth the money and definitely safer. I’m sure if I had just paid the little extra, I wouldn’t have hurt myself.

@dondale68

Жыл бұрын

Had almost the exact same accident. Trying to remove too much material and the kickback threw my hand into the router bit,,, Lost half my left index finger!! I tell everyone I meet now ''You don't take shortcuts!!''

@donaldcharlong9586

2 ай бұрын

The generous explanation here is that you are misinformed. The fact is, every kick back that you showed was caused by "climb cutting". Even though you were cutting in a conventional direction, you were not removing all of the material up to the template. This left material behind the cut which allowed a climb cut situation. If you are going to talk about safety then you have a responsibility to be correct. Every other explanation that you gave was secondary or irrelevant.

Just recently started working with a shop that hires people that have zero experience working in a wood shop. We introduced the router table today and I asked them to watch this video before beginning to use it. You have put together an excellent video. Thanks

I'm used to larger, corded routers kzread.infoUgkxfQ5_mgwq6PcudJvAH25t-I4D-3cTPz4z so this was a different experience for me. Basically, this is an incredibly sweet machine, fits well in the hand, etc. It has slightly less power than I'm used to, but that's understandable. Maneuvering freehand takes some practice. These days, it's especially nice to be able to avoid power cords. This is above the level of a hobbyist but below a pro level.

Thanks for taking the time to make and more importantly share these video's. It is really useful getting to see what really happens when your work is going faster than your eye can see. I would also like to take this opportunity to say thank you for my new and very awesome apron which arrived last week.

I've learned a great deal from your router slow-mo videos and have purchased spiral bits from Bits & Bits and will be ordering more. I am sure my routing will be much better but more importantly SAFER! Thnks much!

Great work! Thanks for taking the time to make, film, edit and share.

What an awesome video! I learned so much about spiral bits. Really enjoyed the slow down videos

Holy cow. I just watched this yesterday and today experienced this exact kickback. Glad to have the knowledge and know what to do about it!

Thanks so much for taking the time to film and post this. For newbie woodworkers like myself it's extremely informative and fascinating to watch. Very appreciated!

@donaldcharlong9586

2 ай бұрын

The generous explanation here is that you are misinformed. The fact is, every kick back that you showed was caused by "climb cutting". Even though you were cutting in a conventional direction, you were not removing all of the material up to the template. This left material behind the cut which allowed a climb cut situation. If you are going to talk about safety then you have a responsibility to be correct. Every other explanation that you gave was secondary or irrelevant.

I really love the fact you took time out to explain this. I Just saved up and got my first routing table and i really needed this video. Now i just need to save up and buy some spiral flush trim bits. Thank you forever grateful.

Wow thank you for making these vidoes Jonathan! I’m just starting out and I really appreciate these safety lessons.

Thank you Jonathan for this interesting video, the spyro bit looks phenomenal, and the slow motion helps a lot understanding what’s going on at the router!!!

Really impressive footage. I've experienced kickback - crazy to actually see what's going on. Great information and reminder, Thanks Jonathan

Jonathan, great video on router kickback and bit types. Great slow-motion video. Thanks for the code as I ordered the "Mega Flush Trim" bit from Bits & Bits!

These videos are why JKM is my favorite. You really dive deep into things about woodworking that no one else really does. Thanks

Great video, so much helpful knowledge. Thank you!

This video was very well made. Thank you!

Your videos are a pleasure to watch. Excellent sound and video quality. Well done

Exactly what I needed to learn today. 🤦🏼‍♂️ Fir and a straight flush trim equal tear out.

This is a great video thanks for sharing Jonathan!!!

That was surprising to see how much that straight bit wobbled. Cool stuff

I'm really loving these videos.

This video helped me immensely. I've been getting very frustrated with wood tear out and I didn't know what I was doing wrong. Now I do and I'm ordering one of those mega flush trim bits today. Thank you.

Great video! I have been trying to explain some of this to my students to help them prevent injury when using our class router. This slow-mo explanation really helps!

@donaldcharlong9586

2 ай бұрын

The generous explanation here is that you are misinformed. The fact is, every kick back that you showed was caused by "climb cutting". Even though you were cutting in a conventional direction, you were not removing all of the material up to the template. This left material behind the cut which allowed a climb cut situation. If you are going to talk about safety then you have a responsibility to be correct. Every other explanation that you gave was secondary or irrelevant.

Thanks for this, wish I saw it yesterday. Sure appreciate you sharing this critical info!

Thank You for all that you do for woodwork. I have watch and learned so much from you. Thank you 🙏

This is so incredibly helpful. I greatly appreciate the explanations based on research, whether it's yours or the papers you've shared on other topics. Testing and sharing, don't stop! Also, couldn't be happier with my new apron. You rock.

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud! Means a lot.

@SimpleCheeseGrater

Жыл бұрын

Use the guide bearing and stop force advertising the spiral bits 😅 Helpful video though good work dude!

Jonathan, love to see your videos, I am getting my DIY workshop space this coming week, I know most of your stuff is prosumer, which I am not, but I the info is great. Looking to get one of your aprons for Christmas... Cheers from Costa Rica!!!

Thank you, this was a very well done video and very informative .

Great explanation thank you! Much needed 😊

What a fantastic video. Watching this video gives me such a better understanding of the "why" as to how these issues happen. I love spiral cut bits and don't have a problem with the cost because of how well they perform. BitsBits will become my go to for router bits.

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

You'll love them!

Thank you. I am a newbie to this and your video showed me a lot of things that I never knew and safety is always a #1 concern.

After the tablesaw, I consider the router table to be my most dangerous tool in the shop. And this video shows why. I have experienced more ... well ... change your drawers ... moments at the router table than at the tablesaw. Don't let that little bit fool you, it WILL rip a board right out of your hands, and might even take your hands with the board. Thanks for an excellent video.

Thanks for confirming the mass of the bit makes all the difference. Solid spindle moulder heads are huge, and they plow through material as if it isn't even there. 👍👍👍

Thanks-you have once again taught me a good lesson and justified me spending more on tools-keep it up !!

As much as I know some of this the slow motion does so much to explain it better. Excellent job, greatly appreciated.

Great to see WHY is may go wrong. Understanding why you’re doing it wrong is invaluable... many thanks

I bought a tabletop router and I had climb out on my first use. It’s been collecting dust since last summer. Thanks for this video, gonna look at at spiral bits and maybe start her back up this weekend! Best router safety video by far!!

Excellent information here - illustrates beyond a doubt how much more efficient the cuts are from a spiral bit. Makes me want to see a video of the manufacturing process of that bit that justifies paying more for a bit than a complete DeWalt router kit with 2 bases! Thanks Jonathan

You’re making me fall in love with slowmo again...

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

I'll split a phantom with you. We could each have it 6 months a year. Thanks brother!

@GiacoWhatever

3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Katz-Moses I’d do it with you...

@heyimamaker

3 жыл бұрын

​ @Jonathan Katz-Moses ​ @Giaco Whatever I'd watch that

@TheMaehan

3 жыл бұрын

im 6 and my dad is a wood werker

@TheMaehan

3 жыл бұрын

and i love slowmo

Thank you so much for this video! Great explanation on all the things I was doing wrong last night. Fortunately after my first tear out incident I gave up on trying to flush cut 4/4 material with a 1/4 spiral bit. Waaaay too much material and it was a piece of IPE which is super hard too. I've since come up with a different mechanism to make the cuts I need much more safely!

Really interesting!!! Thanks, Jonathan! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

You should consider the use of a starting pin in the router table insert plate.It gives some added support and control as the piece comes in contact with the bit.

Dude, these router slow mo shots are so cool! i would love to see you frame it even tighter to the cut and shoot at like 50Kfps+ to see those shavings peel off, so cool!

excellent video, thank you.

ordered one of these because of this video. Thanks for the info and the savings

Thanks for this. I did my first flush-trimming last night and it was horrible and scary. This explained both WHY it happened, and what I could do in the future to make it less horrible.

Awesome stuff - my digits and my wife thank you for sharing this.

I have routed for well over 20 years, and only use a straight bit. I rout end grain with no problems, because I make very shallow cuts, and do so very slowly. There was no mention of routing a small piece, which is just what it looked like was being done at the start of the video. My templates, as most people call them, are all two layers of 1/2" plywood glued together, this give a lot more grip when routing - but with something around 3" or so, I either stop routing entirely, or make a jig to hold the piece. Small pieces like that are hard to hold, and will get tossed by the bit pretty easily. It also helps to be slightly afraid of your power tool, it makes you work a lot more carefully.

I love your channel. You (and maybe one or two channels like yours) have helped this office jockey to become proficient enough to fix or build almost anything you would ever need in a house. The hardware store sends you it thanks and love, my wife not so much 😁

Thanks....great tips! Looks like one of the templates you made for Jay's Custom Creations!!!

Great demo, Jonathan~! Yes, kickback on any tool is frightening in the moment that it occurs, but a router (for me) adds an extra degree of "scari-fication" (lol) because you're usually closer to that spinning bit than with blades on other tools. I've already been using Whiteside bits for a while, but I definitely agree that the Astra-coated bits are great~! Thanks~!!

Thanks for caring about us man, you’re the best!

Thanks for this video. I went back and took my pieces back to my band saw and removed more material like you suggested and my router works smooth as butter now. I still need to save up for that bit you recommend.

Great video. Nice safety tips. Mahalo for sharing! : )

Thanks, this gives me a great amount of info for when I make my frames, so now I think I might actually use my 1/2 inch coupled router!

Thanks man I learned something.

Ordered the stop-block a week or 2 ago and can't wait to try it out. It looks great on your videos. I even incorporated the t-track for it on my new crosscut sled.

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

Thanks I needed this info I was getting frustrated over this kickback problem..

Thanks, I used a half inch up down spiral bit this weekend and I had significant kick back, it was absolutely terrifying.

So excited to watch this!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Get to it!

Holy that looks so cool in slo mo, take notes Dan and Gav

Funny how you just posted this video...I was looking into a new router bit like that ultimate bit... But was just blown away by the price... This really puts things into better perspectives for me.

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

They're really worth it. Thank you

It looked to me like the template wasn’t riding the bearing in every kick back clip ... as if you were wanting kickback for demonstrations ... knowledge, repetition, concentration, focus, and grip are key elements in safety and preventing kickback... thanks for the video

Thanks Great video

Thanks so much, as always! As I replace bits, I'm going to be more thoughtful in thinking about application.

Great as always!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you bud!

I can co-sign on the spiral/up/down 3/4" flush trim bit. Life changer. The straight cutter is just a heart attack on a stick!!!!

The larger bit is also better due to angular velocity. The larger the bit, the faster the outer cutting surface is traveling at the same given RPM. Increases velocity combined with increased mass means the Wood has less of a chance to deflect or displace the bit. I get the bat and truck reference, but needed a few finer details. Great video!

thanks for sharing that, well said!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend!

This is a great video..and I've had kickback from my router table and it sucks. I've been replacing my Ryobi bits with Infinity bits and I'm way happier with the results.

DO Not Ignore the Max rpm marked on these big bits! THE Ultimate flush bit works better at 13-15K than at 18K max. 18K + and it will kick unless very little material. Learned w 8 lb mahogany bass guitar blank flying! No injury, lucky.

One of the smartest woodworkers on KZread. I do enjoy the straight talk, but I can do without the squirrels.

I got my apron a few days ago and have been loving it all week. So nice to have all the pockets at my fingertips!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend!

Great content 👌

Another point that needs to be addressed is your choice of spiral bits. NEVER use a down-cut spiral flush trim bit in a router table. The down cut helix when inverted will push the workpiece upward. The use of up cut spiral flush trim bits will create a downward force on the workpiece. I have used compression spiral bits on a router table and noticed that they are not very stable for use in a router table and don’t recommend using them unless a router shield is employed.

Good info... Thanks'

Very impressive results and learning video. And my apron arrived and it is AWESOME it might be the only one in Northern Ireland if so i'm so proud to own it Thanks J K

I just got a new router. Good timing for this video.

Got my apron and dovetail guide!!

Everyone is a critic including me. The endurance examples make me ask why anyone wouldn't simply use a chop saw, bandsaw, table saw or circular saw for a end cut to begin with. That said., You imparted information any router operator should have in their awareness and may in fact save them from injury or anyone nearby. Personally I would not use a router for straight across end cuts but I'm recommending this vid to anyone with a router doing wood working. After all said, you taught me a thing about grain as a issue in routing. This vid helps prevent year out, promotes safety which is cheaper that what can result and yes, trying to remove to much is just going to cause trouble for the user n one way, shape or form.

thank you Katz . oh and i got the left hand apron great stuff

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend!

Just learning how to use templates to make furniture parts. I attempted to shape the brace that supports the chair arm to the leg of the chair. So far I’ve sent 3 of them across the room. I’ve learned, from your video, that I am not trimming the piece close enough to the template causing the kickback. Thank you for the guidance.

Thanks!

This is great Jon

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks bud!

Thats a cool video and it explains a lot for me. There is more to consider with bit diameter, say 1/2 inch vs 3/4 assuming you kept the rpms constant at an arbitrary 20000rpm then you will have a tip speed (angular velocity) of 12.5m/s for the 1/2 but just under 19m/s on the 3/4 this means less time for each cut and less time between cuts. The addition mass of the bit will help sustain the speed if it hits a hard bit and then as you said the extra rigidity really helps. Can't wait for the next one, nothing like seeing the science behind what we do

Fantastic info dude. I think this one will continue to get traffic throughout all time as people search it after getting router kickback (def not why I’m here watching it….)

An interesting take on it. I’d have liked to see a bit more on the use of fences to at least partly address the problem. Spiral bits look to be a big help, even if they’re very expensive. I was looking at both upward and downward cutting bits but have no idea when you would use one over the other.

Hey Johno, thanks for all your vid’s mate, been doing some work in the backyard and you are huge help!!! Already picked up a router but from the website, I just had a question with your compression bits on the website, can you remove the bearing and use it to plunge cut?? Cheers for your help.

That's really cool with the spiral bits, I've only used straight bits because they're cheap but I'll definitely have to save up for that ultimate bit!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

1 spiral will last way way longer than a straight bit

Awesome video Jonathan, very informative. Thank you. Can you recommend a similar 1/4" shank router bit version to the 1/2" shank Mega Flush Trim bit? (And you should now be selling wool socks on your site just because.)

Also difference in the thicker router bits to the thinner bit was the height of the positioning of the router. In the thinner bit the height was considerably larger helping to cause movement and flexibility and wasnt using the bearing for guidance on the jig.

Great info. My router table grabbed my work piece and thru it across the room. Needed Two stiches in my thumb and one in my ring finger.is removing too much.

I need one of these bits here tomorrow...!

As usual just an awesome video. Lots of useful info. I couldn't agree more about safety with routers whether in hand or in the table. I've experienced router kickback with both and it is scary. Even if it's just a little bit it makes me think of what could have happened. Some of it was totally my fault and a couple is times it was just weird grain changes under the surface of the wood that I couldn't possibly have known about, nevertheless that could have been a finger or four or much more. Breaking a bit or chipping smoking hot carbide moving at 23,000 rpm should scare anyone. Safety first kids. Maybe we should get Jim Carrey to do a series of woodshop teacher Bill PSAs LOL! I know I'd watch