Rory Stewart breaks down 'rotten state' of UK politics | LBC analysis
Iain Dale speaks to bestselling author and podcaster Rory Stewart, with one week to go till the general election.
On Rishi Sunak he told Iain Dale:
"I thought that he was somebody who was very, very confident in argument. So you could see that in the debate last night. He's very good at arguing. And I as a minister when I was trying to convince him of something, we'd often get in these very long arguments and he's very good at that kind of debating.
But I never felt that he had the kind of big sense of who he was and where he stood on the really big issues .I wasn't completely convinced on where he stood on Brexit. I couldn't understand why he endorsed Boris Johnson so quickly, except because he wanted to get a fast track into the cabinet.
It's very understandable that many other people I joined Parliament with were like that -Matt Hancock Priti Patel had a bit of that going on as well.
I think in a way to survive as Prime Minister, he needed to have a sense of who he was and who his values were.
His biggest chance. I still think as if he'd come in and said, ‘I'm distancing myself from Liz Truss, Boris Johnson. I'm going to vote on this privileges committee report. This is a disgrace. This is a new direction. I'm changing things’. He might have had hope in this election."
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I wouldnt call PPE minor corruption, I wouldnt call the binning of the russia report minor corruption, I wouldnt call partying in lockdown minor corruption.
@davidhodgson3901
2 күн бұрын
100%
@jonzu217
2 күн бұрын
Johnson binning the Russia Report should be investigated and Johnson should be investigated by the Security Services for his Tuscany visit.
@andrewballr
2 күн бұрын
Me neither.
@tednindo6761
2 күн бұрын
Tory wrong'uns
@joeegg90
2 күн бұрын
Keep that generous state of mind Ian when the next Labour scandal comes.
Rory Stewart. The best PM the Tories never had.
@woodrocknetwork7507
2 күн бұрын
He's too timid. Even IDS had to turn up the volume.
@MeeesterBond17
2 күн бұрын
@@woodrocknetwork7507 Maybe we need some of that after the overly loud morons we've had in Number 10 recently.
@neilbradley100
2 күн бұрын
He was never a real conservative at all. He ran for PM but is now thinking of voting Green! Imagine a labour MP ruining for leader and later voting for Reform and you can see how ridiculous it is.
@SlowhandGreg
Күн бұрын
@@neilbradley100 The bulk of the Conservative vote is centre right middle class one nation, a lot of people in my blue wall constituency vote green for local elections
@hashtag_thisguy
Күн бұрын
The loudest voice is rarely the smartest @@woodrocknetwork7507
Spot on Rory. If Sunak had made clear from the outset he was distancing himself from the previous numpties and had stressed a record of recovering some stability and competence, he might have stood a chance in the election. As it is, he’s just another Tory leader who is out of touch and in the game only for themselves. There is not a shred of public service evident anywhere in this Government and people up and down the country are sick to the teeth with all of them.
@sg3215
19 сағат бұрын
Sunak had so much promise. I think you're completely right. He could have been the right man, but he's just made some awful decisions and couldn't distance himself from the two shitshows that came before him
The problem is the Tories are only interested in themselves and their own and not EVERYONE.
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@paul Name a party that isn't?
@garyt.8745
2 күн бұрын
@@chatham43I can name two that are NOT interested in _anyone._ Conservative and Reform. At least all the others have positive policies and aren't just whining, fearmongering, grifters.
@mattbrown-mb
2 күн бұрын
@@chatham43 Every party except the Tories. Justice for the stolen Billions!
@advocate1563
Күн бұрын
They're all the same. Watch Sir Flipalot changing his principles every week to get to power. Ed Davey's role in the sub-postmaster scandal. They ALL disgust me. We need a revolution.
Dale's "latest" attempts at running as a Tory, lasted 19 hours, before he was handed his own backside😂😂😂😂
@lamestreammedia3154
2 күн бұрын
Initially he blamed legacy media for the lack of context, then changed it to social media
@saffaboy2007
2 күн бұрын
😂😂 He's such a muppet
@TimComley
2 күн бұрын
@@saffaboy2007but he has had a cracking career whilst you ate a fan boy
@bdizzle9586
2 күн бұрын
@@TimComleyOf he has, if pimping the corrupt muppets that have pocketed billions of everyone’s money whilst claiming it’s everyone that’s the problem. He’s part of the British media grooming industry for the public.
@richardgilbert5339
2 күн бұрын
A Torry wanna be interviewing a Tory has-been ?
Dale - Talking about "minor corruption" ???!! Delusional
@owenrichards1418
Күн бұрын
Also, large swathes of the press are NOT pursuing politicians. Politicians are rarely ever called out on lies or untruths. They are way too cosy together.
@lenrichardson7349
Күн бұрын
@@owenrichards1418 There is some much it just becomes the wallpaper. It's not worth mentioning, nobody has not seen the wallpaper and nobody is intrested in you keep pointing it out. It's almost the Tory way, have so much scandle you can't pick out one bit from the jungle.
@daveball137
Күн бұрын
He’s in denial and tries to say Blair and Brown were as corrupt as Tories. An attempt at projection.
@kanedNunable
Күн бұрын
lets not forget he wanted to serve this corrupt tory party
@user-dt3iv5oc6f
Күн бұрын
@@daveball137they were
I am a long term Labour Party member, but have great respect for Rory Stewart. An impressive man and politician in a party with too few people with anything like his ability and integrity.
@call_in_sick
2 күн бұрын
Really. I think he’s vile. Thinks far too much of himself.
@jolindley9715
2 күн бұрын
I too am a long time Labour voter and have a lot of time for Rory Stewart too
@seamus7054
2 күн бұрын
@DavidAger-r9j If more Tories were like Rory Stewart, Keir Starmer wouldn't have had such an easy road to No 10.
@apocalypso1564
2 күн бұрын
@@call_in_sickHow did you come to that conclusion?
@summit7046
2 күн бұрын
His constituents couldn't stand him because he was never there, always buggering off to London. How did an MP for one of the least populated parts of the UK ever think he could handle mayor of London?
Rory Stewart, a bit too honest to be a successful politician.
@steve55sogood16
Күн бұрын
Exactly!
@Hydra-reclined3
23 сағат бұрын
I really admire Rory he’s very calm and truly thinks before he speaks
@iLAGnDC
22 сағат бұрын
Rory is trash, when the people voted out of the EU, he was one that went against the will of the British people. The problem is he is meant to serve and he does not understand. People that support him support wanting to be ignored by their politicians and do not believe in democracy.
Rory basically has too much integrity to be a politician .
@elkpaz560
2 күн бұрын
Andrew Bridgen stays the course.
@scottscott232
2 күн бұрын
@ThePatcarolan - I totally agree with you.
@clivet3252
2 күн бұрын
If he had integrity he wouldn't be mates with Campbell.
@alexgill2455
2 күн бұрын
Tory integrity 😂
@sambaliwingo
2 күн бұрын
People with integrity can't be Tories.
Mr Stewart may not know what the Conservative Party has become. To find out he can simply ask the rest of us.
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@Neuro What if he asks you what the Labour party has become.
@joemorris1282
2 күн бұрын
@@chatham43 I see you comment on almost every post on this channel. You must spend a lot of time on here!
The tories are rotting in their own corruption and arrogance
@elkpaz560
2 күн бұрын
If you think it is an issue of party you haven't been paying attention.
@sadjaxx
2 күн бұрын
Arrogance and Entitlement.
@neilbradley100
2 күн бұрын
Let’s see how quickly labour with a supermajority descend into arrogance, then into corruption too.
'MINOR corruption?' 🤣
@patriciahiggins9188
Күн бұрын
Only if it concerns a Tory
Dale really is up his own backside…
@Litheon11
2 күн бұрын
Whilst I might not agree with his politics, I would encourage anyone to "have a go" if they think they can contribute to positive change
@toriesout8692
2 күн бұрын
@@Litheon11 I would encourage people to put their local area before their party. He just confirmed in what he said it was about the state of the party and not about improving the area, which evidently he disliked.
@toriesout8692
2 күн бұрын
@@Litheon11 I would encourage people to put their local area before their party. He just confirmed in what he said it was about the state of the party and not about improving the area, which evidently he disliked.
Rory Stewart, the best Prime Minster we never had
"Minor corruption"?!!!
Rory's honesty in calling out the rot and sophistry within politics is refreshing.
I don't share Iain Dale's political values. Nevertheless, 61 is not too old to do politics. Is he not aware of the current duel between two elderly Americans aged 78 and 81?
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@helen Your first sentence was irrelevant to your point wasn't it?
@helenaville5939
2 күн бұрын
@@chatham43 No. Put another way.... Although I'll never vote for him, I would still encourage him to try again to achieve his political aims, and not let his age deter him. (Note: In the discussion he said he would not try again due to his age.)
@kanedNunable
Күн бұрын
yeah, its not his age, its the fact he slagged off the area he wanted to serve.
Rory is one of the few voices of reason and truth - now he is free from politics. Clever clever man.
Rory is decent man lost his way as a Tory but would be asset to a other decent party.
@nfcpro
2 күн бұрын
Rory would be a great asset to Labour.... they should employ him.
@lamestreammedia3154
2 күн бұрын
Tory, Labour, any really.
@millrace32
2 күн бұрын
@@nfcpro he's running interference, trying to distract from the increasingly evident fact that his old etonian schoolmates would rather sell-out the country than their own. think of just how serious a problem that is, when the school educates the most privileged & most entitled to 'run' that country
@jonzu217
2 күн бұрын
@@lamestreammedia3154 The problem for Rory like many great thinkers is he will find it hard to follow the script presented to him by our third-rate politicians. Compare Rory Stewart to the likes of Braverman, Badenoch, Patel, Sunak, maybe someone should attempt a Thesis on why so many children of East African/Asian parentage have almost utter contempt for the British people regardless of colour or wealth.
@Vangough792
2 күн бұрын
He’s a Blairite Tory, should join the Lib Dems. Vote Reform
We need a new voting system , that's less competitive, more inclusive of all people in uk
@sadjaxx
2 күн бұрын
Less polarized, less media circus. It needs to be more serious, with thoughtful informed meaningful discussion.
@randyschwaggins
2 күн бұрын
We were offered the choice and rejected it
@DanielBarber-mo2en
2 күн бұрын
@@randyschwaggins it's time to look at again , there has been alot of water under the bridge, people are getting angry.
@DanielBarber-mo2en
Күн бұрын
@@sadjaxx agreed, the old centralised order is crumbling. As an optimist , something better will emerge, but not before a big mix up first.
@kanedNunable
Күн бұрын
@@randyschwaggins not proper PR tho. it was half assed.
Dale has no moral compass or sense of right and wrong, so i'm surprised the Tories didn't want him.
@kanedNunable
Күн бұрын
they did. he slagged off his prospective constituents tho. thats why he failed.
Surely he must remember the stark similarities we are facing today are the same as under Thatcher. The mass unemployment, record levels of child poverty, Decline of Workers rights, very deliberately Divide in communities, Privatization of our utility's to the highest bidder, massive rise in inequality, squeezed pay, abysmal Services etc etc. it's all there to frighteningly see
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@lad And kids sweeping chimneys..and I'm not making that up to laughably exaggerate...well maybe I am...but who cares!😊
@martindornan1667
Күн бұрын
I remember the Tory slogan "We are all in it together". What lies the Tories told. The reality is the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, with food banks opening in every community forcing UK men, women and children to use food banks to survive. With Tory austerity, cuts to public services and the safety net.
“Minor corruption” Jesus.
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@One Just a bet. And don't blaspheme!
@boogaloo4640
18 сағат бұрын
@@chatham43 Don't try to impose your religious rules on other people. It's very rude
Rory 👏👏👏 try not let the system grind you down. Yes we have a corrupt media.
The whole of Parliament needs to be modernised. It is still living in the 19th century.
@johnrussell3961
2 күн бұрын
Even the USA changed to a round chamber .
@boogaloo4640
18 сағат бұрын
They need to be able to call liars, liars
We need intelligent non tribal people, so hopefully Rory can play some part in helping any Government.
MINOR CORRUPTION!!!!??? Mr Dale! Are you serious????
I have always voted for labour but Rory Stewart is a Tory i could vote for
@kanedNunable
Күн бұрын
look how he voted....
@JPB90
Күн бұрын
@@kanedNunablelisten to what he says in this video.
@Kringlebeast
6 сағат бұрын
I think I echo your sentiments actually. Through reading his books and being exposed to a lot of his rationale you can see the reasoning and viewpoint. It almost overrides the left/right divide.
Minor corruption is that the same as Dale being slightly bald 😂
Rory 4 PM! The way he talked about doing that silent meditation retreat, which I'm assuming is Vipassana, makes me wish that he was our Prime Minister. I'm as left-wing as it gets, so cannot believe I'm thinking/saying this, but I would probably vote Tory for the first time ever if he was leading the party.
I refuse to believe that these two are so unintelligent to be this naive. Sunak has been a shocking PM by any measure, preceded by being a pretty shocking chancellor prior. The simple fact is, is that the forefront of politics in this country has been exposed to show the levels of corruption that truly run this country. Whether it be by influential think tanks, dictatorial media moguls financing the party which best benefits them - to the levels of incompetence we give responsibility to for running this country. And the worst thing is, the public lap it up. The Tories have imploded both themselves and this country and still they have support. Labours fulcrum and what it stood for has been ripped apart just to gain power until it largely represents what used to be called conservatism. Neither party work for us, and so through apathy and dislike, you have parties like Reform who can come in with ridiculous claims that are completely unworkable (mixed with a decent side of racism and bigotry) and worryingly larger swathes of disillusioned Tory and Labour voters find themselves pulled to them. Yet their leader is exactly the same, a self served faux-Trump former banker who just wants to hand-grenade the Tories with his ridiculous claims about what his party will do, knowing full well if the Tories confess they cant match it, then it wins him votes and seats. Doesnt matter how outlandish the claim is, make it and the Tories have to either ignore it or counter it - both of which lose them voters. Politics as it is in this country does not work for average people, doesnt matter which of the two main parties are voted in.
Anyone who wants to learn about the cyclical style of British governments, read the diary version of Yes Prime Minister. Best political sitcom ever made, but the diary version of the scripts are just superb and explain everything. Nothing has changed since it was published in 1988.
@garyt.8745
2 күн бұрын
Nothing has changed? Boris Johnson used those diaries as a "user manual" for his premiership 😂😂
@johnking5174
Күн бұрын
@@garyt.8745 One line from Sir Humphrey Appleby was "most Prime Ministers come to a grounding halt" - and it is true
What do they stand for? Grifting.
@TimComley
2 күн бұрын
And you, trolling ?
@V4Now
2 күн бұрын
Tory stands for Thief in Irish.
@drunkengamer1977
2 күн бұрын
@@TimComleyGay!
I do like Rory very much.
Oh, Rory how very sad that you are the PM that never was. Sunak is just an empty vessel.
In 2,010, Rory Stewart and Iain Dale stood against each other as prospective Conservative Party candidates for the Bracknell constituency. Alas, neither was successful!
Minor corruption on PPE? Seriously. Minor corruption on House of Lords appointments? Minor corruption on betting scandals? Media bias against Conservatives - 14 days of headlines for Deputy leaders house tax bill, over nothing?. Seriously Iain. Do better.
I know what the Tory party is....FINNISHED !!!! :0)
@TimComley
2 күн бұрын
Bore off
@riaz8783
2 күн бұрын
Didn't know the Tories were going Scandi.
@millrace32
2 күн бұрын
the key to understanding why it's almost certainly not finished, imo, is to consider it as an arm of the british aristocracy, maintained now through links forged between the future politicians & the future landowners at eton - where rory also happened to go to school. the reality today is that rural britain is still home to huge estates, & families with massive local sway that, when combined with favourable electoral maps & clubs like the garrick, mean the a tory party filled with old etonians can effectively never be pushed further than the next election away from the possibility of returning to power. until there is a reckoning in british instiutions with the obvious reality that eton is a particularly aggressive parasite on democracy, the party will party on :(
@garyt.8745
2 күн бұрын
Finnished? 🤔 Some term Samuel Clemens coined about Huck Finn?
@garyt.8745
2 күн бұрын
@@millrace32Makes no difference mate, just hot air IMHO. If they win an appallingly low number of seats they will be over and done with. Nobody wants to be associated with a loser, less so a _historic loser,_ and certainly not the aristocracy. Some circles are saying less than 50 seats. How terribly embarrassing old chap!
Rory there’s hope for you , humility , compassion and intellect your country needs you , whether it’s as an independent or join the Labour Party it’s irrelevant really , our country needs not only you but everyone to get this country going in the the right direction, it’s simple really play politics or govern and make a difference.
RS - a seemingly honest politician - a rare beast
He would be a great prime minister.
@sureshot1988
2 күн бұрын
Did you not just hear him say how ten years in politics rotted his brain and soul? Hardly someone cut out to lead.
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@np I think he probably would.
The problem with politics in the U.K. and much of the democratised world generally is a lack of preparedness to reform the systems that actually support our politics. We’re approaching a point where the entire artifice needs to be reformed root and branch. How can you not look at a system which gives us a venal, self-serving and corrupt bunch of “representatives” such as we’ve seen in the current Tory party, or an overt criminal like Donald Trump, how can you possibly consider it fit for purpose?
The institution is rotten pretty much sums it up for me. It often feels, sounds and looks like morals, ethics, integrity and honesty just don't matter. Politicians can often sound like they are hiding something and not being upfront. Part of the issue of calling it "minor corruption" is in itself a part of the issue; 1) it downplays what happened. 2) it's wrong regardless if it was minor or major. I would love to hear more of Rorys thoughts on how parties, parliament works etc and his ideas to change that for the better. I may disagree with some of his ideas but I respect him.
So often those who desire power the most are the least worthy of it
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
Quite a conundrum.
@JonotJoe66
12 сағат бұрын
Worrying when we have Starmer to look forward to 🤦♀️
we need to start banging the drum on proportional representation. Our system is absurd. one of my number one issues is electoral reform at all levels. The system does not function
"Minor Corruption"...what a soft underplaying of theft from the public purse.
Ian dale looked at the modern tory party and thought "Yeah i want to represent this."
@alfching2499
2 күн бұрын
I’m sure he never in his own simple mind thought he was going to save the Tory party a massive defeat.
@chatham43
2 күн бұрын
@icarus Who did you want him to represent?
@icarus372
2 күн бұрын
@chatham43 he can choose to represent anyone he wants, it is a democracy after all. But to look at the tories and say "Yeah this is me." Is absolutely wild in 2024.
Government Minister: The only job you can do with zero actual qualifications for the job.
Even most Tory voters don't know what the party is anymore but will still support them out of literally loyal, blind stupidity.
All this fantastic change Sunak promises! Why couldn’t he have it all years ago, suddenly a great future It’s all possible
Rory says that Rishi called this election as a way to get out. Everything that Rishi has done since supports Rory's point.
Watching R S is quite gratifying!
Dale says he believes all long serving governments end in the kind of mess we're seeing now. I recall a host of scandals during the Thatcher-Major era, but I don't recall Brown or Blair ever having a major new scandal every few weeks as we're seeing now. Partisan, are we?
@jimbo6059
23 сағат бұрын
Sorry but did not Blair/Brown end up with the illegal war scandal and bigot gate.
Just two former candidates having a chin wag
It is just coming to light of Sunaks alleged role and fortune made in the ABN-Amro scandel. If true what is someone who personally benefited in millions from the taxpayer doing as PM. Can one imagine any Tories of old being involved in any get rich quick spiv operation like that if true? MacMillan etc. Made of completely different material.
Two beneficiaries of the inequality, entitlement and privilege rampant in our society, rail against the system, absolutely priceless!
Take responsibility Dale for having a hand in this Country being broken as a Tory voter 🤮
Dale, there is no such thing as "minor corruption" when you're refering to government. 🤨
It is 14 wasted years
I could listen to Rory for hours. One of the very very VERY few Tories I hold in any regard higher than the trough.
As a scot, I think Rory Stewart was the only Tory MP that I ever found palatable.
Dale = Client Journalism
MINOR corruption?! 😵
When Rory was running for leader, it was the only time I've really considered voting conservative. Measured and thoughtful.
I thought exactly this when Sunak got in - he had one chance to at least give a credible impression that he was different to the previous Tories but he hid in Downing Street instead of standing up for some values. He was toast from that point.
All credit to Rory Stewart, an Honest and Honorable Man (a very rare commodity)
You are right ,they did at the end of Thatcher they were expecting to get back after 5 years but Blare lasted longer
An excellent, thoughtful interview. Well done.
The whole pretending that Dale didn’t quit LBC but turns up for work 3 days later like it never happened amuses me. If your older than 40 it’s like Bobby Ewing stepping out the shower, we’re supposed to believe it was all a dream
One of life’s biggest mysteries is who on earth, and why on earth was Ian Dale put on a radio show. I’d honestly prefer hearing paint dry.
Anymore? Ha! We've ALL known for decades what they are, nasty nasty nasty.
The carnage of the Tory party was caused by people like Dale who wanted Brexit. No Brexit No chaos.
Stewart’s whole shtick is about absolving himself of responsibility for his own political career.
He literally twitted about the need for more migration. Now he says is he is worried about the numbers. Then he says they want lower taxes just to criticise labour for wanting to spend less.
Rory Stewart; “Everything’s so big, so complicated, so interrelated, so impossible to sort out - let’s build more layers, more Government, more Treaties, more migration, more UN, WHO, EU, WEF. It’s all so complicated - let’s have more of it.”
“Minor corruption”? Yeah, keep telling yourself it’s minor.
I can't believe Iain Dale can show his face in public after his recent humiliation.
If you didn't know, you'd think Rory Stewart was part of the Labour party.
2:00. I get the feeling that the contorted and bizarre is just what caused Dale to think he was even slightly suited for political office. Being involved with Tory politics, and a right-wing hack for decades has rotted his brain to such an extent that he has got ideas above his station. Stewart is correct in his critique of the current state of MSM.
Why would a career spent betting against the pound etc. prepare you well for running state public services.
Rory I have a lot of Time for as he oozes honestly and speaks from the heart and totally common sense
As an MP you have to sell your soul and follow the whip. Your constituency can be thrown under a bus but you have to toe the line of the self served party.
Rory nails it. The party system is desperate for power... that isn't analagous with representation. I think it's now time for a proportional model.
Dale thought the current tory party reflected his views and wanted to be part of it..... haha
Getting the top job require being cunning and Rory is a fair straightforward guy
We need Rory back ❤
Rory Stewart; the best Prime Minster we never had.
Jim Bowen "OK, The Conservative Party....let's have a look at what you could have won"
it's a crime syndicate
You can communicate so much more in sorrow than in anger.
He is spot on re the way politics works. As voters we moan about dishonesty but its a fact that taxes need to be raised to sort 14 years of Tory decline, yet the electorate are scared into not voting forva party that would raise tax.
Rory you and the elites always know best but here's the thing you don't. Rishi pulled a fast one & has smashed the party. The Rebuild will start next week. Need restoration of genuine values
Remember everyone Wipeout to Help out.
Rory recommends Parliament 👍🤔
Generally, I’m deeply suspicious of anybody who wants power
What it has always been, greed and corruption.
A washed-up Tory discussing Tories with a washed-up Tory.
Should there be a criterion that people should have background experience of community engagement (service within) to qualify standing for Parliament?
Like him 😎 All interviews with him are „intelligent“.
Rory Stewart as leader would probably propel the a new Tory party back into power.
@elkpaz560
2 күн бұрын
He's a liberal. Old style.