I swear. I’m going to put this in a playlist, in order, with time stamps. Not too hard to do. Why can’t the news station do that ?!

@MrAllysonn

11 ай бұрын

I agree

Nancy Cramp loves that you all refer to her as a romance novelist. You forgot to preface that title with FAILED.

@benjaminperez1149

Жыл бұрын

@@teebee9232 My mother belonged to the book club in the 1980s. My folks' house was covered with them. My father called them Whorelequin Romances.

@FrenchieGivesYabatheKia

2 ай бұрын

Self-publishing is not failing. Lol.

@nando9195

Ай бұрын

Nancy Cramp

This is the first "complete" trial I have watched now in youtube. I always wonder how it must feel to be in court for the first time because the women you sold a house or weapon to is accused of killing someone. Must be very weird

@fatnurseslim

7 ай бұрын

You should go to David Lohr and watch Jodi Arias trial. Is it so good, no sidebars, in order. Just a tip though- defence attorney (male) speaks so slow, I speed him up to 1.5/2 to get through it.

Does anyone note that Defendant's defense is how could such a lovely wife with a lovely man and a lovely relationship - how could that lovely wife kill her husband? -- it could not be the defendant -- is that a romance story?

@pumibel1720

Жыл бұрын

Good call! And like Nancy's books, that defense didn't sell.

@isabellind1292

Жыл бұрын

Or a wife who doesn't care if their mortgage payments fall in arrears and they end up on the street when they lose everything but the husband's life insurance because Nancy would not let those payments be late! She wanted to be widowed & wealthy. And I also took note when Nancy talked about having to have reno's made after their house fire. I wonder how their house caught fire. She wouldn't be the first arsonist & murderer to come down the pike.

" How many of the people practising their shooting are men and how many women?" "How many boxes were there in the storage room?" "How big was it?" "Were the scarves folded?" Is this defense attorney being paid by the question? smh

@angelwings7930

2 жыл бұрын

She’ll ask “what’s your favorite color”? next. 😂😂😂

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

She's maybe trying to stall to delay a later witness for whom she is not prepared. But, I agree, in general, she asks a lot of irrelevant questions.

@myadhdlife4869

2 жыл бұрын

She knows there is no defense.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the defense questions may seem immaterial but, I usually come away with knowing why they asked that. Asking if scarves were folded vs thrown in, shows somebody in a hurry without regard for the scarf's value. To me, a lot of the defense makes her look more guilty. I'm waiting to hear she rented these 2 units herself, w/o his signature.

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

@@tourdedogue4952 I agree the defense is making her look more guilty.

Why was Nancy convicted of second degree murder and not first? The whole thing seemed premeditated to me, does anybody know? Thanks!

@kylestotch700

Жыл бұрын

Oregon law

The megan Light testimony; i think the défense should have Just let it go and say; no question for this witness your honor. She wasn t such a good witness for the prosecutor ànyway.

I think we got spoiled by Haldorson's judge. This judge forget's which question was objected to and they have to repeat it. He doesn't once thank the witness's for their testimony and you know, for a lot of them, this has got to have been the most emotional 3 years of their lives, finally telling their story on record. Where's the basic courtesy?

@GH-oi2jf

2 жыл бұрын

I think this judge is doing an excellent job.

@daddyboy3546

2 жыл бұрын

Where you from, Minnesota? Judge is professional and respectful enough. It’s a courtroom after all.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@daddyboy3546 I am from Oregon and a courtroom requires basic courtesy when a witness or jury has been given subpoenas to be there. A thank you from an authority of law is appreciated by people. If you haven't attended a serious crime in a courtroom you would understand.

@KL-pd7cr

2 жыл бұрын

@@tourdedogue4952 there is a lot you don’t see. I wouldn’t be making judgments like that based on the few hours you do see.

@daddyboy3546

2 жыл бұрын

@@tourdedogue4952 I’ve been in court in Texas, Georgia and Southern California. There’s polite, fake polite and firm. I’ve not seen disrespect from the court, but I’ve never seen a group hug scene either. Judges often wait until the conclusion and often meet privately to pay respects to the jurors who serve. They often don’t during the trial or otherwise in public out off an abundance of caution to avoid any indication of favor or bias. Just because it’s on TV and streaming doesn’t mean they need to perform to the publics expectation.

Omgsh, that lady on the phone with the detective babbles on and on, speaks too quickly, and keeps repeating how bad her memory is and how everything is a blur. The jury is gonna tune her out. She needs to take a deep breath.

@nando9195

Ай бұрын

She probably has not been in this situation before and she was nervous Abt it

@AlphaMom55

Ай бұрын

@@nando9195 that’s very likely.

Sounds to me that because this murder is about someone she knew she just wants her 5 minutes of fame.

Nancy can never say her attorneys weren’t doing a great job. I can’t wait for her defence, to see what they come up with. My heart breaks for his son..

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. After their testimony, both Mother and Son were sitting in the courtroom, if you noticed. They are very interested in the outcome, of course. Their masks, however, are nutty. Mask mandates in Oregon have been suspended but, even in a scant courtroom, they are requiring full N95's? gmabreak

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

Defense said (in opening) their case is based on insurance and law enforcement bias. That's what they've come up with.

@potr6461

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleuththewild i believe they have certainly been able to make some headway in that defence

@hoppy6141

2 жыл бұрын

Dreading the defense because those attorneys go on and on about worthless issues.

@gala_pi

2 жыл бұрын

@@hoppy6141 billing her by the hour ..the more the better for them..

54:45 WOW! This woman is truly disgusting!

@wilsal2485

2 жыл бұрын

Scary

@candacesalim9659

Жыл бұрын

Agreed Nancy is insane. How could she say that!

He’s giving Nick Cage in Raising Arizona with his voice. 😊

now we can see why hey send the jury out - you can hear the lawyers in sidebar

@MrAllysonn

11 ай бұрын

😂

The first lady that testified…she’s a nosy busybody. I don’t care for her at all.

What wa the purpose of that first witness? She added nothing.

@potr6461

2 жыл бұрын

i suspect the prosecution was attempting to fling a little mud, but the defence did such a good job of forewarning that they were not able to do any of that

@Kayla-ed2rp

2 жыл бұрын

@Margaret Gorbett I agree. The witness comes across as her testimony being absolute proof she is guilty.

Ive been watching this case, but on different channels and out of order. Im wondering how she came to be arrested......what evidence was there. Thanks. ? A bit hard to follow it all if I cant watch in order. :-)

@grandmasadvice3012

2 жыл бұрын

Insurance of over a million dollars & he didn’t want to move & travel the world 🌎. He loved feeding the homeless with his father & that didn’t fit into Nancy’s plans .Justice for the Victims of this senseless murder..

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

Start from Day 1, opening arguments. There's a lot of evidence, and it would be very complicated to summarize, but the opening arguments tell you how the case lays out..

She had time to ditch those computers between the murder and her arrest.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

Good one. She had 2 storage units. Hiding shit.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you suppose she kept them in the first place. You have evidence on your computer looking up how to change a gun out, why wouldn't you throw it into the Willamette or Columbia? Heavy enough it would sink.

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

@@tourdedogue4952 Good point. She might have assumed Google would retain the data.... She also might have assumed all the relevant data was airborne instead of on the hard drive.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleuththewild Surely, as a 'good author of crime/romance novels', she would have research how the authorities can access all records of her computer searches.

@hoppy6141

2 жыл бұрын

How did Nancy not know about all those cameras that captured the license plate…and having damage and a parking tag that make it equally identifiable? The only thing she did right was leave her phone at home.

Just making a bit of light humor in a horrible murder, but, continuing with the Portlandia quirks, like proximity of prosecution witnesses to an alleged murderer, bad sound, etc; why in the world is the video screen above and behind the witness who have to stand up and use a pointer. Surely we have a better courtroom in Multnomah County than this during this public sensational 6-wk trial! (Oh, and the Detective with the full head of black hair smoothed back and a beard....well, just noting, he sounds like Michael Madsen in Thelma and Louise.)

@GH-oi2jf

2 жыл бұрын

That large video screen is positioned for easy viewing by the jury. That’s what matters. The witness also has a small screen for viewing, so it is only when he has to use a pointer that it is a little awkward.

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't this a brand new courtroom? Like spanking brand new? The way it's organized is a mess, plus, there's no provision for technology. Seriously, white paper pads? Presumably, the screen has to be on that wall so the jury can see it. The other problem is that the defense attorney has Nancy sitting on the end of the table staring down witnesses. She should be controlling her!. Even the appearance of intimidation is a bad idea.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@GH-oi2jf Thank you, hadn't thought of it but it's a lousy and very small courtroom.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleuththewild Yes, why isn't the defendant on the other end of the attorney area! It's Bizarre. Just watching it on screen, it's freaking me out with her glare and her hand holding up her chin, very sternly, staring at every witness.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleuththewild I don't think she's making a very good impression on the jury, she doesn't shed a tear.

Look like mamma and papa duck! 🤣😂

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

What quacks like a duck.....Lotsa ducks here. Quack quack. Baby ducks, too.

That defense lawyer is a real dingbat. Or she 'pretends' to be

They put on a spread! What’s so big about saying that? Maybe she should of said, no thank you! Culinary school takes care of that!

@kathyhooker4968

2 жыл бұрын

It just seemed so cold "that's what happens when someone at the school gets murdered". HUH?!

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

That witness seemed like kind of a waste of time. They shoulda skipped it. I don't see what she really offered.

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

I sort of wondered that too. What's wrong with that? When I get nervous or frustrated around a funeral I often make stupid comments. And, food is first that comes to mind, and glad it's taken care of. This witness had nothing of value to add, even the phone call. What was she talking about referring to Dan's father?

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

Her wording "putting on a spread" wasn't the evidence. The evidence is: "when there's a murder."

@judithengle7875

2 жыл бұрын

I think she was just wanting to horn in on something exciting. She also rushed right over to the vigil, even though she doesn’t seem to have connected much with Dan for years.

someone can say they think something is odd - but what if they are odd? who is vouching for the person who is testifying that they are not actually bonkers. When a prosecution resorts to presenting gossip, personal opinions and conjecture from random silly people as evidence - surely surely it is obvious that the cops have not really done the hard yards. It isn't enough to think someone is odd (different to you) and that they have done some things that have not been even asked about (or that the person who is within their rights to not speak to them) and are not explained when that is ALL they have.

@GH-oi2jf

2 жыл бұрын

The jury has the prerogative of evaluating the credibility of each witness.

@awright119021

2 жыл бұрын

They are presenting the statements the defendant made to her, not whether she thinks it's odd or not. It's up to the jury to decide if it's odd and if they give it any weight when deliberating.

I know for a fact Megan’s neighbors can’t stand her

Do u remember at ur job selling a weapon that was used to kill someone ? I'm sorry but how can u justify selling guns as a job

@pumibel1720

Жыл бұрын

How can you justify selling cars and food when people die from car crashes and choking all the time?

@nando9195

Жыл бұрын

@@pumibel1720 its not the same moral issue.

@pumibel1720

Жыл бұрын

@@nando9195 perhaps not, but someone has to be the one to do it, and I think that if we treat gun sellers like they are of poor character, we doom the occupation as a whole. I would rather that conscientious, law-abiding people be the ones to vet buyers and ensure the legality of a transaction. If we act like the job is seedy, then seedy characters will be be drawn to the business.

@tylercoon1791

Жыл бұрын

Here's how you justify it: 'Sure, someone could use this gun to commit heinous actions, but it's more likely that someone will use this to prevent those same heinous actions from being done to them'

@nando9195

Ай бұрын

​@@tylercoon1791well...I see what ur saying. However I don't think this case would be a good example to illustrate your logic.

That witness was so vague, I don’t think she hunts mushrooms. I think she does mushrooms.

I wish they'd take those masks off. Espcially the judge. No one is sitting near him.

@GH-oi2jf

2 жыл бұрын

Why is it any concern of yours?

@starrlove2060

2 жыл бұрын

Because covid is still here n they can't afford to get sick their jobs and lives are to important to risk that .

@tourdedogue4952

2 жыл бұрын

Some of those masks look like something out of a Twilight Zone or an SNL skit. Did somebody give them these masks? Specifically the poor mom, brother and family. And, all dressed so nice. It seems like another example of Portlandia.

@sherrysegreti4478

2 жыл бұрын

@@tourdedogue4952 I said looks like daffy ducks! All of them!😂🤣

@sleuththewild

2 жыл бұрын

I think you don't understand the role of building air circulation in disseminating virus droplets. Also, that mask design lets you talk easily and doesn't steam up your glasses. I've been using that design for 2 years, so I know. The judge is perfectly clear, as is everyone who's masked.

The dad seemed like he didn’t have a lot of love for his deceased son

Oy vey, with friends like Ms Light - who needs enemies 😱 she was different than what I thought, based on the recording.

@awright119021

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, if a friend murders someone, they aren't my friend anymore. I'll spill every detail I know to the police at that point 🤷‍♀️

This female prosecutor (well, I assume she is female, but I am not a biologist) needs to respect the solemnity of the court and the proceeding. Instead, she conducts her examinations as if she is a soccer mom.

@potr6461

2 жыл бұрын

which prosecutor?

@GH-oi2jf

2 жыл бұрын

She probably is doing a much better job than you would.

@kathylynn7705

5 ай бұрын

Big yawn.