Sir, I have watched almost all your videos, and I have never heard anyone who could describe divergent groups in a way as thorough, accurate, and unbiased as you do. There is no channel on KZread who does what you do, as well as you do it. Thank you!

@athanasiusofalexandria4304

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. He does a great job.

@FishermensCorner

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@JudeMalachi

2 ай бұрын

Except he predicated it all upon a false division. There are many Orthodox churches, and each one has a Catholic counterpart through the Eastern rites. Consequently, this video is really a comparison between the Latin rite or Roman church and the other 23 sui iuris Catholic churches. So not really an outstanding effort, as the video's fundamental conceit is that what's normative for the Roman church is normative for the whole Catholic Church. It’s not worthless, as I’ve watched all three videos. But it’s also not great as his approach leads to some fundamental misunderstandings about the Catholic Church.

@FishermensCorner

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachi you mean like, not emphasizing the Roman Catholic Church broke off from the Orthadox because it wanted to force the filioque heresy?

26:51 I used to attend a congregation that was part of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North America. They used a mix of Greek and English, and would honor those in the parish from other Orthodox traditions by reciting the Lord's Prayer in Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Bulgarian, and Arabic. They even said it in Spanish and Armenian to honor some converts who spoke those as their native tongues.

@csmatthew

2 ай бұрын

Same at my parish (Greek Orthodox, Great Britain)

@microcolonel

2 ай бұрын

That was my experience as well when I attended a GOArch parish. My current Antiochian parish does the whole liturgy in English except sometimes the Lord Have Mercy/To Thee, O' Lord/Grant This O' Lord is in Greek, Arabic, Slavonic, or Romanian

I've been attending Eastern Orthodox Churches in my city the past few months Pretty Cool Stuff Gotta Say

@simonslater9024

2 ай бұрын

Please read my comment. God bless.

In the Scranton PA area, Eastern Orthodox and Byzantine Rite churches frequently have pews.

8:45 While they are not distinct denominations, I would love to see videos discussing the difference in Catholic orders. Though I do realize it may be less interesting non-Catholics.

@JudeMalachi

2 ай бұрын

Catholic orders would be closer to the concept of being a denomination than the idea the erroneous idea that the Catholic Church is just a denomination of Christianity.

@GetUpGetUpGetUp

Ай бұрын

I'm not catholic and I'd be very interested in a video breakdown of the different orders.

What a massive undertaking this series is. We are so grateful to you for this labor of love!

Unfortunately it seems most people get their wrong ideas of Hell from Dante's Inferno.

Thank you for clarifying that some of these differences are related to the Rites (Latin, Byzantine etc.), which exist and are accpected within the Catholic Church. God bless you!

@simonslater9024

2 ай бұрын

Please read my comment. God bless.

@raphaelportelinha1738

2 ай бұрын

@@simonslater9024Which comment?

@nathandaniels4823

2 ай бұрын

The one that says “please read my comment. God bless” 😁

@raphaelportelinha1738

2 ай бұрын

@@nathandaniels4823 🤣

This has been an exceptional and serious look at the real differences between these two churches (or branches of the church.) Until I started studying Orthodoxy, I did not realize how much my Protestant faith had been influenced by Catholicism. I am not fully Orthodox, but it is very eye-opening to see how the theology between East and West diverged.

@JudeMalachi

2 ай бұрын

Except there is there is no monolithic orthodoxy, and every one of the Orthodox churches has a Catholic counterpart. So everything in “Orthodoxy” is already in the Catholic faith. What you probably meant to say is how much your Protestantism had been influenced by the Roman church, which when think about is a huge, duh. The Roman Church is the Church in which all Protestant theology developed in opposition, so of course it will have been influential.

@simonslater9024

2 ай бұрын

Please read my comment. God bless.

@simonslater9024

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachiplease read my comment. God bless.

I was curious so I checked: about 32% of US Catholic parishes run Mass in Spanish at least some of the time (usually they have some masses in Spanish and others in English.)

Another great and informative video! Thank you! God bless!

As a Catholic who has been asked these questions I am loving this most resent series. Would you happen to have any videos on prosperity gospel and it’s history? I have a morbid fascination with that branch of Christianity which is so distinctly American and so in-Christian in its beliefs and I would like to learn more.

@laughingseagull000

2 ай бұрын

I second this

This is probably the best objective Clear, and concise explanation of the differences between the RC and the EO that I have seen so far on KZread. Hats off to this young man for such an excellent presentation.

You my friend, are the research King. I’m thoroughly impressed.

very interesting comparison, can't wait for part 4

Thanks for another great channel. Absolutely great work.

@OrthoPhronema

22 күн бұрын

Come to Orthodoxy sister. One True Apostolic Universal Church Hristos established 2000 years ago.

Also... Well done. really good rapid fire list of differences. very unbiased. Super well done.

There's only a couple of channels on KZread that I would confidently say show the character of Christ, and yours is one of them. I was recently baptized Seventh Day Adventist and I read all the comments and how you replied to some; I was very impressed with how specific and kind you were trying to be. Thank you for being you my friend.

What a mouthful. Good job.

Thank you for this! Very helpful.

Medieval Greek is not that hard for Greeks to understand for people who know the text. It's a beautiful rich language, more so than modern Greek I think, and the hymns sound beautiful for those who understand. I fill like I find new ways of thinking while reading medieval Greek is really fascinating to me. Regardless, after the service, the priest will translate and analyze the text anyway.

@27:19 Note how it was the Greek bishops who wanted to use Modern Greek but, when the youth protested that change, they were compelled to keep the traditional language. This may help explain why Latin masses are also filled with youth.

@nathandaniels4823

2 ай бұрын

That seems odd to me, probably because many Orthodox youth in the States are leaving ethnic parishes in which English is hardly used. The standard Orthodox practice historically has been to present the faith to new lands in the language of the people, including Bibles, services, and so on. The problem is that translations need to be done by people who are both Holy and educated. There’s no other way to preserve the true spirit of the texts.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

He’s talking about Greece. Nowadays there’s no excuse anymore, there is no illiteracy, with a little effort you can understand the Greek in the Church services. Koine Greek is very close to modern Greek. The Greek education system’s curriculum should increase the hours of Ancient Greek classes in stead of restricting them. Internet is also very helpful. If you’re interested in the Faith, you’re gonna make an effort. If not, you’re gonna make excuses.

@nathandaniels4823

2 ай бұрын

@@HellenicLegend7 True but many parents do a terrible job of imparting the faith to their children. Oftentimes it’s “Because we’re Greek” or “It’s what we do”. That may be enough for some children. It’s obvious by how many ethnic Orthodox in the diaspora are leaving the faith that this is not enough. Most Gen X or younger adults I know who grew up in Greek-speaking parishes in the US did not understand the majority of the Liturgy until they were old enough to make the decision to take up the faith for themselves. That’s a very efficient way for parents to kill the faith in their children.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

@@nathandaniels4823 I agree. Unfortunately secularism is a sneaky and dangerous opponent. At least, if you have the basics you can always return at a later age. I’m placing my trust in God, that there will be events in the future that will shake us up and make us think more seriously about the Faith.

Reason Vs Mystery is one of the reasons I admire Orthodoxy as a Protestant. In the West we try to rack our brains trying to figure out God, but the truth is obviously we cannot truly comprehend God.

@christusenciaga

2 ай бұрын

I would say it’s true that we cannot *fully* understand God. It does not mean we cannot use logic and reason to understand Him more

@pedroguimaraes6094

2 ай бұрын

Love God with all your heart, soul, and MIND, and to love your neighbor as yourself.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

Ask an Orthodox theologian why the filioque is wrong and you'll get no shortage of reasoning. I think this whole "respect for mystery" thing is overstated, especially when you read the early councils.

@kaminasego

2 ай бұрын

Yes but our human reasoning is finite, which is my point, theology has done a great job articulating mysteries and giving sound doctrine but yet it also confuses many

@user-fq6hv9xz5j

2 ай бұрын

Both denominations have produced good fruit and survived for centuries/millenia. Maybe the almighty approves of both but both may get a slap on the wrist for certain practices. Who knows.

Eastern Catholic vs Eastern Orthodox would be interesting

@JudeMalachi

2 ай бұрын

There is no Orthodox church for which there isn't an already existing Catholic counterpart. So the only difference is the recognition of the Pope. Literally that's it.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachi Also the same for Oriental Orthodox Churches (miaphysites) and the Church of the East (Nestorian), who were declared heretics by the early Church. It’s abundantly clear that the pope doesn’t care for common Faith as long as they submit to him.

@sartoriusrock

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachithat isn’t entirely true. Among the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, there are various degrees to which each church has been “latinized.” Some, like the Melkite Catholic Church (which traces its history to the early church of Antioch) are much more similar to Eastern Orthodox in terms of theology and practice. Others, like the Maronite Catholic Church, will have more distinctives that “look Roman Catholic.” For examples, Melkites will be very careful to call their service the “Divine Liturgy,” *not* “Mass,” and their recitation of the Nicean Creed does not include the filioque. On the other hand, Maronites will use “Divine Liturgy” and “Mass” almost interchangeably, and do have the filioque.

@pmaitrasm

2 ай бұрын

Both are the same thing.

@sartoriusrock

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachi also, as far as I know, there is no Catholic equivalent for the Romanian Orthodox Church

Thank you brother. Great vid

As an Orthodox Christian, you have done excellently describing the differences. Regarding the canon scripture, as you accurately demonstrated, there is some disagreement, especially between some people of Greek Orthodox tradition and those of Arabic, African, and Slavic traditions. Being part of a Slavic church, we generally don't view any canon as being inferior. The short canon is fine, the long canon is fine, and even the canon of the Ethiopian church, which is even longer, is also fine, we can study all of them and take instruction from all of them. It is often falsely believed that the ecumenical counsels established biblical canon, this isn't true. Biblical canon was established by church tradition, and different areas had different traditions, and this was fine. Specific works were rejected for possessing gnostic doctrine or heretical authorship, but none of these were ever widely used by the Orthodox churches.

@simonslater9024

2 ай бұрын

Please read my comment. God bless.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

Excuse me but the Ethiopian Orthodox are not part of our Church.

Great series, looking forward to the conclusion. I agree with the statement about 31 - Primacy/Supremacy of the Bishop of Rome as being the most significant difference. Some of the other differences may be seen as more important theologically by some, and others may affect the day-to-day life of the faithful more; but agreement on this one would mean agreement on the organ of teaching that would make all other differences in principle resolvable.

Thank you, Joshua 🌹⭐🌹

Outstanding!

You should mention that the Orthodox did attend some of the councils they later rejected, most famously Ferrara Florence

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

And the Catholics of Constantinople V 879-880

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

About the Ferrara-Florence council, it was purely for political reasons that the Orthodox agreed to attend. Constantinople was surrounded by the Turks and the Emperor sought military assistance from the pope and the West, that was the condition that the pope made. The Orthodox had to accept the union on the pope’s terms (universal supremacy and the Filioque). That’s why upon return of the delegation in Constantinople the people and clergy didn’t accept it and strongly condemned the union, the same happened in the other patriarchates. The only who upheld the union until the Fall of the City was the Emperor (who was also present at the Council) and a small faction of intellectuals.

Married priests: KZreadr Taylor Marshall was a married Episcopal priest who converted to Roman Catholicism approx. twelve years ago, and says that he was eligible for a program that would have made him a Roman Catholic priest (although he chose not to pursue that).

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

That program does exist.

@davidjones5547

2 ай бұрын

He is also very much among the anti-Pope Francis crowd. For that I simply can not respect him

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

There are thousands of married Roman Catholic priests. The Ordinariate has greatly boosted their numbers too.

@JudeMalachi

2 ай бұрын

and you're braggin' this?

@davidjones5547

2 ай бұрын

@@JudeMalachi Braggin' what?

I will say that in Coptic churches in Egypt and in the US, we have pews. So maybe that's an Oriental/East difference too. But my particular orthodox church used to be a Methodist church. We renovated it in the 90s haha I dont think I've ever seen a purpose built orthodox church

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

Do you also have microphones?

@TheNatty88

2 ай бұрын

Yes that true for many Greek Orthodox Churches. In Cyprus (and I believe Greece too) many churches will use a type of chair with a folding seat and two arm rests of different height. One to use when seated and one for when your standing which can be used to lean on. My dads cousin was married in a Serbian Orthodox Church in the UK, which had been newly built in the traditional Serbian Orthodox style and that’s the only time I’ve been to a church with no pews or chairs of some kind.

Great discussion! I would like to see the discussion on the Catholic development of doctrine, and the Catholic teaching on created grace.

Could you plesse get the Oriental Orthodox into the mix? Your videos are of the highest quality! Thanks.

Would it be possible to have this whole series in written form? It would be very useful.

This is how I learn that St George's that I drive by all the time in my hometown is one of the rare Greek Orthodox churches with an organ

Hi Joshua, can you make the same series for deep differences between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox?

Amazing work! Thank you! I honestly only seek the fullness of God and I pray the Lord reveals it to me

Well I never expected to show up in one of Joshua's videos (21:35), but glad to see our parish as an example of an Ordinary Form parishes that celebrates mass Ad Orientem (both liturgically and temporally 😂)

Excellent job as always! Any chance you could do a differences between Catholics and Anglicans or Orthodox and Anglicans? Thanks!

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

A video on the differences between Anglicans and Anglicans would probably require a year long series.

@lukeanderson7843

2 ай бұрын

@@Ggdivhjkjl haha!!! As an Anglican, I concur! 😅

@davidcope5736

2 ай бұрын

Anglicans don't have much that is fixed, apart from an Episcopal structure. There are Anglicans who would be theologically close to Catholics, and then others that would march to a more Liberal Protestant beat. Still others that would be part of the Evangelical protestant world. So Anglicanism couldn't really be compared to one Church in the same way. One reason for this is its history in the state Church of England. Not too long ago here in England the mentality was that you would be a part of the English Church for English people. You belonged to the same national institution, no matter your theological persuasion.

@davidcope5736

2 ай бұрын

The Anglican Church in England focuses on this idea of being that nation's church still, but in a different way. It's the open church in the heart of every city centre, and the one there for important national events. In the US I've seen a similar idea, focusing on the care that a church can offer as a community while allowing its members to hold a number of opinions. I think the common thread is the importance of the church's function, rather than the details of what is taught.

Please do an Eastern Orthodox vs Oriental Orthodox and Catholic Church vs Oriental Orthodox Church.

One note on Church Slavonic is that it is fairly easy for a Serbian speaker to understand with only learning a few words or grammatical differences. This is likely similar for most other Slavs.

Nothing but love to our Orthodox brothers and sisters watching ❤✝How beautiful are our two faiths!

@josephjacob3274

2 ай бұрын

It's the same faith.

@jeremias-serus

2 ай бұрын

@@josephjacob3274 If it was exactly the same then there would be no division, hence separate faiths 😅

@josephjacob3274

2 ай бұрын

@@jeremias-serus that's ignorance from many catholics in the Latin rite. Faith was defined in the first 3 ecumenical councils. Thus, they both recite the nicene Constantinople creed. Thus, it's the same faith. Otherwise, why is their interfaith communion??

@jeremias-serus

2 ай бұрын

@@josephjacob3274 Firstly there isn't interfaith communion from the Orthodox side--Orthodox priests will not administer communion to me. But secondly we're using the word faith differently. Same religion? Maybe, if that's what the Churches agree to. But that's not what I'm speaking to. Simply put, they're not the exact same thing. My side kneels to Rome and the Orthodox do not, among others as you well know. Clearly they're not the same thing.

@josephjacob3274

2 ай бұрын

@jeremias-serus you talk of papal supremacy. Just because orthodox doesn't submit to pope, doesn't mean faith is different. If they profess the same creed from nicene Constantinople, it's no different. Oriental orthodox I know do. Eastern orthodox I hears some do and some don't, depends on the parish priest

I hope u do a video about the indipendant Catholicism like the old catholic church(s)

Those in Adelaide Australia (or who want to visit), our diocese has now set up two parishes 100% in English :)

@MsConnie131

2 ай бұрын

There is also a 100% English parish in ROCOR in Adelaide. Glory be to God for them all.🙏

@xpictos777

2 ай бұрын

Yes there is Father Barnabas, a incredibly loving man. Adelaide is very blessed! @@MsConnie131

Today is the first Sunday of Great Lent, the Sunday of the Triumph of Orthodoxy. Wishing a blessed fast to all.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

It's Palm Sunday in the Finnish Orthodox Church.

@jec1ny

2 ай бұрын

@@Ggdivhjkjl Finland requires all Christian churches to use the Roman Catholic calendar for fixed feasts and dating Easter. It's actually a national law.

@nathanjohnwade2289

2 ай бұрын

2nd Sunday of Lent in the Coptic Church

@curiousing

2 ай бұрын

Good strength!

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

​@@jec1nythat's messed up...

There does seem to be some anecdotal evidence of Mass Ad Orientum becoming more popular in Novus Ordo parishes too

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

It wouldn't take much for it to become more popular, but it is certainly done in some parishes.

On point 36 Hell (and kinda on 37 Limbo) some trad EOs will agree with the trad Caths. They often accept saint Ignatius Bryanchaninov's book "Word on death" as authoritarive, it gives a summary of some trad EO views on various things about death quoting various earlier saints, church fathers, and hymns. That book says that Hell is a physical place in the depths of the Earth, and that after the Second coming, final judgement, and the resurrection - Hell will again be a physical place separate from Heaven, and the suffering in Hell will be physical, including physical flames. Also Bryanchaninov mentions there a trad EO teaching similar to Limbo, namely that of a third place, that is neither Hell nor Heaven, which is for people who cant go to Heaven due to unbelief or sinfulness, but also are not sinful enough to deserve the sufferings of Hell.

@semipelagianpangolin

2 ай бұрын

I don't think it's even all that fringe for Orthodox to believe in the post-resurrection Second Death / Lake of Fire, as prepared for Satan and the demons and available for anyone who chooses it.

😊😊❤ very good information. As PROTESTANT SO MUCH OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE FAITH IS CATHOLIC, WESTERN. I BELIEVE WE IN PROTESTANTISM CAN LEARN FROM OUR FAMILY IN ORTHODOXIES

Seating: You can tell you are basing this all off reading Church websites. When visiting Mt Athos and Churches around Thessoniki, Greece, there were either Stadia seats or in some cases they also had chairs set up in rows just like pews. This idea that many American Orthodox Christian’s have that traditional means no sitting though is not true in most of the Orthodox world. No, they don’t have pews. They do have seating though. I have heard that in Serbia and many parts of Russia that there is far less seating available (only around outside for elderly). Friends visiting Constantinople also told me there were booth type seats in the Hagia Sofia and seating in the Churches around Constantinople.

@jeffkardosjr.3825

2 ай бұрын

I've been to some really old Roman Catholic churches in Quebec. One example, no pews or kneelers for the laity, just individual chairs.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

Some Western monasteries still don't have pews.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

Some Western monasteries still don't have pews.

@joachimjustinmorgan4851

2 ай бұрын

@@Ggdivhjkjl which ones? And do they not have seating at all, or just not pews?

There is no canon of Old Testament books in the Orthodox Church. There are traditions with the principal tradition being the Byzantine, septuigent/LXX tradition. The Vulgate OT was, at one time, also an Orthodox tradition. The New Testament does have a formalized canon. Some years in the past the Romanian Church has included the book of Enoch in the Old Testament. The first formalized canon for the OT in Christianity that was something beyond a tradition handed down was the Protestant reception of “Rabbis,” in rejection of Christian traditions.

Historically, the roodscreen fulfilled a similar role in the West to that of the iconostasis.

Scott hahn is a convert. I personally do not quote him or take his advice

The use of instruments other than Organ, piano, and vocals are very controversial in the Roman Catholic church in the US. Some people would go as far to say that the use of guitar during mass is liturgical abuse.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

Just as the use of the organ was outright condemned in ancient times.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

I think you'll find the piano was specifically disallowed by one Pope who insisted upon the use of the organ.

@KingoftheJuice18

2 ай бұрын

Psalm 150 disagrees.

@mournblade1066

2 ай бұрын

I'm Roman Catholic, and I absolutely despise the use of guitars (especially electric guitars), drums, and other rock instruments during Mass--it's like they're trying to be "hip."

@KingoftheJuice18

2 ай бұрын

@@mournblade1066 "One thing I'll say for him, Jesus is cool." -Caiaphas, "Jesus Christ, Superstar"

If you would like another group to do. The NEW IFB is a sect that seems to be branching off of IFB.

Fyi, sui iuris, is pronounced Soo/ee yoo/rees because the i represents the sound ee in the first instance and the sound jay in the second. In older Latin books, it spelled sui juris.

A video about churches claiming to be catholic would be interesting like the Palmarian Christian Church or Society of Saint Pius

@richardounjian9270

Ай бұрын

The Society of St Pius is part of the Church. The Palmarians are not.

@alexmaria2929

Ай бұрын

@@richardounjian9270 SSPX is loosely. SSPV questions if the holy see is occupied

@richardounjian9270

Ай бұрын

@@alexmaria2929 correct. SSPV isn't recognized by Rome. Rome does recognize SSPX now

Versus populum can also simply mean that the priest turns toward the people at certain points of the Divine Liturgy or Mass. This happens in the Orthodox Church. The priest mainly faces east, but at certain points he does turn to the people and then turns back.

@dustinduncan2444

2 ай бұрын

The same applies in Latin liturgies. There are specific places in the rubrics, even in the current addition of the Roman Missal, that say "stans... versus ad populum ..." I don't remember specifically, but it is called out maybe 5 or 6 times in the post Vatican II liturgy for the priest to "face toward the people".

Another great video. If I might add, the difference regarding hell is actually not a difference. While Orthodox today tend to feel more comfortable with the language of hell as God's love towards a sinner, in our Orthodox Tradition we still have visions of hell as an actual place where there is a real fire burning the unrepentant.

They often say, that book is not canonical. What makes a book canonical ?

25:18 Though it is only a title of honour and not commonplace the title Primate can be considered equivalent to Orthodox Patriarchs.

Mass in Latin is a significantly more reverent and beautiful style while common tongue is more personal and easy to digest. As a new convert I think they are both useful even if I prefer Latin

@prkp7248

Ай бұрын

It's only that because you don't know latin. Latin is not even the language of the scripture, it don't have any special position in religious terms - it's just the language of church administration.

@Daniparker10003

Ай бұрын

@@prkp7248 The difference is more in delivery than anything else, traditional Latin is generally sung, or recited quietly and away from the congregation, while common tongue is delivered more directly to the congregation.

17:48 The desire of Westerners to "reason things to the bottom" is why/how we eventually developed the Scientific Method, and progressed so far in material wealth. (Whether or not that is a Good Thing is a different question.)

With regards to hell, I think we all can agree that it is a good place to avoid no matter how you want to describe it.

❤

The Nuncio is as or more important than the conference chair.

Revelation makes clear that there is a real division between the saved and the damned. They cannot be in the same place, as the visionary Disco Stu reported, for "nothing unclean may enter" the holy city.

Important to note that the Latin Catholic Church is home to ~1.3 billion and more geographically widespread and ethnically diverse than the ~230 million Eastern Orthodox mostly confined to Russia, Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Catholicism is worldwide and 5x the size of Eastern Orthodoxy. The Catholic Church is home to over 50% of Christians… Eastern Orthodoxy is home to barely 10% of Christians and half of these Christians belong to the Russian Orthodox Church (4.5%). ROCOR is home 0.02% of Christians and around the same size as the SSPX.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

You failed to mention how that happened. Through the sword and colonialism. Not a very good thing to boast of. While most Orthodox countries were under Ottoman occupation in the same period.

@Rome_77

2 ай бұрын

@@HellenicLegend7 Cope. Christians believe history is providential. The accidents of history are meaningful. The majority of the world encountered the kingdom of Christ through the Catholic Church. Eastern Orthodoxy has remained inactive and on the margins.

Most adherents to catholicism and orthodoxy are not even aware of these differences. They simply beleive in christ as son of god and that he is the sacrificial lamb . Sometimes the more uneducated you childlike u are the better. Purity of heart is what christ looks for.

@George-ur8ow

2 ай бұрын

This is a two edge sword. You are basically saying that since most of the laity (in just about any denomination) does not know their distinctions, therefore, they don't really matter because it is childlike to be ignorant, and the Lord said to be as children in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Christ said to be wise as serpents, and meek as lambs, however. It's a careful line. We should not be pharasaical, yet, we should not be so open minded that our brains fall out of our heads

@user-fq6hv9xz5j

2 ай бұрын

@@George-ur8ow Agree some level of shrewdness is necessary. However, my comment was not for any denomination but confined to the subject of differences between catholics and orthodox. I beleive the laity already know that jehovas witnesses, mormons , unitarians etc.... are completely distinct to christianity.

@Seashellsbytheseashore21

2 ай бұрын

some of us find fascination with the differences from an analytical perspective, and remember the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. a bit strange to suggest that one should be uneducated. blessings

@user-fq6hv9xz5j

2 ай бұрын

@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 wouldnt say one should be uneducated , afterall many or even most priests have theological degrees. However, sometimes too much analysis can be counterproductive and make us miss the mark. Easter bkessings.

I guarantee you that(Virtually) no living Orthodox Christian has ever attended a Liturgy they fully understood, even if it was conducted in their native tongue. I’ve been an Orthodox Christian for over 20 years. If I devoted the rest of my days to studying the Divine Liturgy, I’d die barely having scratched the surface.

@nathandaniels4823

2 ай бұрын

Also I commend the work you’re doing.

Catholic 💗✝️🙏🏻

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Given the Orthodox understanding of hell, a closely related understanding is that while hell is eternal because God is eternal, anyone may repent and thus, begin to experience God, not as hell, but as heaven.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

Not when "time shall be no more" (as The Revelation says). Once time ceases to exist, repenting becomes impossible.

@jimbobjones5972

2 ай бұрын

@@Ggdivhjkjl I assume you are not Orthodox? Many would not see it this way. Why? Because the overwhelming reality is "God is Love" and that God desires ALL to be saved.

@jukesngambits

2 ай бұрын

@@jimbobjones5972 It's the consistent teaching of orthodoxy that there is no repentance after death

@jimbobjones5972

2 ай бұрын

@@jukesngambits there are many who are Eastern (or non-Chalcedonian) who would disagree. One such person is David Bentley Hart: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bentley_Hart

@semipelagianpangolin

2 ай бұрын

@@jimbobjones5972DBH is not presenting an Orthodox view with his turn into Universalism

The Universe is Not a Hierarchical Pyramid of Mathematic Quantities The Universe is a Holarchic Sphere of Consciousness Qualities Spheres ❤️ 💚 💜

Latin postu be use drurting Holy Mass it say in a Constitution about Holy riturgy.

Yes you are quite correct in your statement that Western Christians tend to regard Eastern theology and liturgy as acceptable variations but it does not always extend in the other direction. I think is because the West desires reunion while the East for whatever reason seems to want continued separation.

@user-pd1kc7dc6o

2 ай бұрын

The reason is that there can be no union if we don't believe the same things. The fact that you desire a false union betrays a lot about you though, "just submit to the pope and believe whatever you want" does that sound correct to you?

@Michael-bk5nz

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pd1kc7dc6o nice straw man, that tendency to dishonesty caricature everything is the real problem as is the tendency of the East to disagree simply for the sake of disagreeing. If the Pope were to say that 2+2 = 4 there would be Orthodox who would condemn it as heresy on the grounds that he didn't consider arithmetic modulo 3.

@raphaelportelinha1738

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-pd1kc7dc6oWhy would the Orthodox be free to believe "whatever they want" if they reunited with Rome? Aren't Eastern Catholics obligated to believe the same dogmas and definitive teachings as the rest of the Catholic Church? This is an honest question.

@user-pd1kc7dc6o

2 ай бұрын

@@raphaelportelinha1738 They are supposed to but in practice some uniates don't believe the same things. This is not the main point though. I am just pointing out that he is trying to downplay important religious differences by saying "for whatever reason", it's not whatever reason it is the most important reasons! If you actually believe in God these things are more important than just being unified to not be meanies or whatever. You say "This is an honest question" so I fear that I have seemed to you going full debate mode, this was not my intention God Bless you! P.S. I wrote the entire comment and then deleted it by mistake so I had to rewrite it quickly if something doesn't make sense I can clarify

@raphaelportelinha1738

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pd1kc7dc6o Thank you for answering. May God bless you!

Humm... A lot of it and what was taught in the other two videos looks PRETTY similar to what RZ said on his video about West vs East, just more nuanced.

One difference between the Churches is that the Catholic Church sent missionaries throughout the known world such as the Americas, Africa and Asia. The Orthodox not so much.

I realize you are focusing here on Roman Catholic vs. Eastern Orthodox, but what do Jews say about the Apochrypha?

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

Historically there were different Jewish views about most of Scripture. The Sadducees, for example were notable for rejecting everything but the Torah. The compilers of the Septuagint, on the other hand, cast a wider net and included books that later Rabbinical Jews would reject. The fact is that there was no single Jewish canon at the time of Christ and that the physical elimination of rival sects like the Sadducees at the hands of the Romans contributed to the Pharisees' ability to set a Canon for all Jews.

@thelasthandbook6704

2 ай бұрын

@@jdotoz Didn't Paul use the Septuagint? IiRC he also quotes from one of the Apocrypha (maybe Sirach/Ecclasiasticus?) in one of his letters. Which I suppose makes sense, since everything in the LXX is in Greek.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

@@thelasthandbook6704 To be fair, he also quoted from pagan poetry and philosophy, so this isn't quite as strong an argument as it may seem. And as you say, the LXX provided a ready at hand Greek version of the Scriptures which would have been helpful when writing in Greek.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

​@@thelasthandbook6704 The NT quotes from the Hebrew some passages which are not found in the LXX as well as quoting some which are only found in the LXX. All this shows is that the NT writers knew their Scriptures.

@christusenciaga

2 ай бұрын

Such an odd question… Orthodox and Catholic are concerned with what the one true church (which church obviously debated) that Jesus founded and gave authority to has to say, not what ancient Jews have to say.

You can tell that this man is very learned but it's still funny to hear mispronounciations of reasonably common literary words (Such as infirm at 20:36).

@Seashellsbytheseashore21

2 ай бұрын

people tell me i say words wrong, as well. take the word "potato." no such thing. it's a potatah. :) naked, what's that? neckid.

Limbo is the Realm the Soul goes When Dies an Unconscious Death... like in Euthanasia

The moment where, to a former Roman Catholic now atheist, the Orthodox Church makes much more sense lol. Reason is what got me out of religion in the first place.

To st Martin of tours - Read my latest comment. To say protestant’s are Christian is to say there’s 48,000 protestant churches and that’s blasphemy because only Jesus can found a Church and that’s what his holiness and the Catholic Church are not realising or seeing.

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

So, then the magisterium is not required to be served and revered? Got it.

4:06 "There are only Seven Ecumenical Councils" "It is misleading to say the orthodox have not had any further Ecumenical Councils" LMAO, you guys can't even agree at something so important as how many Ecumenical Councils are there

@johnnyd2383

2 ай бұрын

Our Greek brothers are making sure you do not understand the Orthodox phronema...

One thing I've noticed: both love to adorn their bishops with expensive, silky clothes.

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

I've seen the same in protestant churches. But for non-liturgical/ritual reasons.

@EmilyS-gk3st

2 ай бұрын

@@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs I honestly wouldn't know...I haven't been to (edit to change "really any" to "a majority of") protestant churches. The only Church I've ever been a member of is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and our bishops and the apostles and prophet (Church leader) all dress the same way as any laymen do when all of us are at Church; a typical suit and tie. (The women typically wear dresses.)

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

@@EmilyS-gk3st my point is that the vestments used by clergy and acolytes are liturgical and have a spiritual meaning. They also last a long time. The point is not to adorn the individual priest/acolyte. But to be participating ritually in the services of the Church, even through what they are wearing. The vestments reflect those in the old testament priesthood, and also a medic, a shepherd, and a soldier. Also, fun fact, there is a prayer that is recited prior to putting on each of the parts of the vestment of the clergy in Orthodox Church.

There is a glaring mistake in your thumbnail. It should be “Roman Catholic” and “Orthodox Catholic” instead of what you have.

Mr.Josh can you explain how the Trinity teaching is invented by a councils agreements. And the madness of Christianity over God's identity.

17:09 St Gregory the Theologian hearing this 🤡🤡🤡🤡

to martinoftours - protestant’s including the orthodox say with Satan WE WILL NOT SERVE the infallible Magisterium of the holy Catholic Church therefore they are anathema - outside of salvation! Only Catholic’s go to Heaven because there’s NO division in paradise

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

But you're disagreeing with your magisterium about Protestants and Eastern Orthodox. That they took can be saved. And specifically about the Orthodox, that they have valid sacraments. Are you disagreeing with your magisterium?

You should also mention that not long after the Orthodox rejected the churches teaching on the Filioque they were conquered by the Turks, on the feast of Pentecost. Also the emperor and Patriarch of Constantinople accepted unity with Rome and accepted its teaching on the papacy and Filioque. However the people of the east were rebellious and even threatened their own clergy.

The Orthodox Church didn't have an emperor to call for an Ecumenical Council while the Catholic Church has the Pope for that.

The fact that (certain) Catholic/Orthodox churches have survived hundreds of years with most of their members having no clue what's going on is a miracle unto itself...

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

What makes you think the laity don't know what's going on? The Copts make quite an effort to ensure the laity are well educated in this regard. Some parishes have even placed cameras in the sanctuary so the congregation can watch live on giant flatscreens.

@ryankohnenkamp8946

2 ай бұрын

@@Ggdivhjkjl Unless they have translations on those screens, won't make too much difference that they can see stuff better. Yeah, I may know it's time for a prayer, but if I don't know what they are praying...

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

​@@ryankohnenkamp8946 Not only do some show translations on those screens but historically books with translations were supplied, similar to translations of the Latin mass which were printed. However you're missing the point. The liturgy is the work of the people. They are there to do a job which they have either already been trained how to do or are being trained to do. Their understanding of what's going on may be taught in church though it's not uncommon for it to be taught at home.

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

My Orthodox Church is an all English speaking parish. What are you talking about?

@richardounjian9270

Ай бұрын

​@@ryankohnenkamp8946At a traditional Latin Mass the prayer book has Latin on the left, English on the right. Pretty simple

Eventually the churches will unite. Basically it's the same faith, the differences being political, cultural and historical.

@johnnyd2383

2 ай бұрын

We Orthodox hope that Heterodox will come to their senses, repent, reject their heresies and inquire with EOC. We will Baptize them and voila.!... Unity.!

@curiousing

2 ай бұрын

It's not, though. I was Catholic and converted to Orthodoxy. It is a completely different church. I feel a freedom in Orthodoxy that I never felt in Catholicism. And a love I never felt there. Those two arise from genuine differences in theology and practice. But I pray with you that they will unite soon.

@goatsandroses4258

2 ай бұрын

The problem is that some of the differences between Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant are of such magnitude that men and women have been willing to die for them OR to kill others for them.

@pedroguimaraes6094

2 ай бұрын

They look very different to me.

@pauljosephbuggle3722

2 ай бұрын

@@pedroguimaraes6094 That's because the videos are pointing out the differences not the similarities. They have been united before and will be again. The Papacy allows the Church to be beyond and above national control and boundaries something highlighted by the Russian-Ukrainian war.

one thing humans are good at: competing to see who is more wrong... :D

@thieph

2 ай бұрын

I can say the same about you right now, ironically

@cindiloowhoo1166

2 ай бұрын

@@thieph @uncivilized4873 is simply pointing out an observation. He does not say any particular sect is right or wrong, only that there appears to be a proclivity for sects to proclaim their veracity to the detriment of those outside a stated standard of beliefs.... Are you stating he is wrong? Do you think he peremptorily presumed he is right and all else are wrong? I recently heard an amusing yet profound statement: "I do not believe in the god that you do not believe in..." Namaste ~ Blessed Be ~~

@thieph

2 ай бұрын

@@cindiloowhoo1166 his point is useless, that was my point

Why isn't the all-wise God clear about the afterlife? Does he enjoy confusing his followers?

@jeffkardosjr.3825

2 ай бұрын

Just because somebody doesn't tell you about something does not mean they are out to confuse you.

@Ggdivhjkjl

2 ай бұрын

Forgive me for inconveniencing you but perhaps it is so that I can focus on being a better person in this life?

to Stmartinof tours - did you know that St Pius IX,and Pius XII,each said protestant’s are NOT Christian! Pope Leo XIII said Anglican communion orders were null and void therefore NOT Christian! St Maximilian Kolbe,said protestant’s are NOT Christian and condemned ecumenism,which is satanic nonsense! I love the holy Catholic Church but when it comes to protestantism yes it’s wrong and sacred scripture agrees with me.

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

Your lovely Pope now thinks they are Christian. And Vatican II also says they are. They also say the same about Eastern Orthodox. So, are you obeying and serving the magisterium by disagreeing with this? Seems like a quandary. Or are you a Sedevacantist?

Holy orthodoxy is The church Christ established and has preserved the Truth ☦️ 👑

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

Where's Peter?

@batrickpateman2086

2 ай бұрын

​@@jdotozthe church triumphant.

@jdotoz

2 ай бұрын

​@@batrickpateman2086 The Fathers at Chalcedon recognized Leo as Peter's successor.

@batrickpateman2086

2 ай бұрын

​@@jdotoz get rid of the phillioque, stop blessing gay couples, allow priest to be ordained as married, dont give the pope immediate jurisdictions over every one... THEN GO TELL THAT TO ALL THE BISHOPS OF ALL THE ORTHODOX CHURCH THAT HERETIC!!!

@marcodesalud7034

2 ай бұрын

is there an actual argument for that belief or is it more of an emotional outburst?

Where are my angry Eastern Orthodox friends at?

It's probably a bad sign that when you follow these ideas to their logical conclusion you get some crazy ideas, and the Catholic way is not wrong for doing that. The Orthodox way is just to try to be blind and ok with things that don't make sense? Yes that does seem to be the Christian way actually. Not making sense makes it feel greater!

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

"the Orthodox way is to try to be blind..." This is the silliest thing I've read from you lately. Are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 ай бұрын

@@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs lol sorry. Yeah probably. But for real, that's what he's saying... he's saying the Catholics want to really define things like transubstantiation, which then just looks like the golden calf and leads to Eucharistic adoration which is a logical next step, and the Orthodox are like, it's kind of that, but we won't define it because then it just looks like we should have Eucharistic adoration and that feels really wrong. So it seems like choosing to be willfully blind instead so you don't have to face Eucharistic adoration and other implications. Which isn't NOT the Christian way. The evil tree was the tree of knowledge after all. It always does seem like when things look bad when you use logic, then stop using logic and just have faith. I feel like the truth would be able to handle rationality and logic and reality that we can see.

The Orthodox know that if you think about it too much, you'll eventually leave. So it's better to just not think.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

😂 You can’t analyse God. God reveals himself.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

2 ай бұрын

@@HellenicLegend7 Except that he doesn't or in contradictory ways.

@HellenicLegend7

2 ай бұрын

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr ? Are you an atheist?

@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs

2 ай бұрын

Orthodox Christians are not afraid of questions and questioning. Stop being dumb.