The cops were clueless and hence why they walked off so quickly to return to the battlefield they were dressed for😀.

Fly the drone, but keep it outside their boundary. From 400ft should still get a good view.

So if it is a security zone why haven’t they applied to have the air space above it declared a no fly zone.

Why the back off. I don't understand. If it is legal, do it.

Getting arrested isnt all wonderful. If cops, lawyer, judges and civilians didn’t lie all the time it may be different. I trust PJ and his decisions!

@Davidand-Goliath

Жыл бұрын

I can understand Pete as you say getting arrested is no picnic but we do not know if he would have been at Rolls Royce.

@rudeboijasmithy

Жыл бұрын

Bloody hell. Did you brush your teeth first before licking his ass so clean 😂😂😂

Notice how the British police are now paramilitary, when they are meant to be civilian.

@George_in_Howden

Жыл бұрын

They are cloning themselves with American cops. Typically our police copy other forces and don't think for themselves.

@cliffordbuttle4529

Жыл бұрын

two police there doing no good must have to many or nothing better for them to do

@dougaldouglas8842

Жыл бұрын

@@cliffordbuttle4529 Tell me something, in my youth, when dinosaurs walked the earth, there was always a beat body, in fact many beat bobbies, for what they were worth, as now, but now we have an excess of bobbies why are they not on the beat, instead turn up mob handed at scenes?

@MrJckDoo

Жыл бұрын

@@Hellstorm901 Exactly! Does he believe there is no armed response units in a police force?

@georgebarnes8163

Жыл бұрын

My local police force are all armed 24/7, nothing unusual about seeing armed police in the UK.

No predicament whatsoever. If it was illegal, the cops would have said so instead of walking briskly away from something a little bit ticklish. In future, plod, fall off the fence then everyone would know where they stand.

Blimey Pete, fancy asking a child copper with no social skills a legal question! I've just had a look, I can't see any restriction on you flying a drone there despite its designation, but I'm not 100% sure. Very interesting as always, thank you.

@ysgol3

Жыл бұрын

@Ed Straker Hi again, oh no no, please, I don't think any such thing. I said I wasn't 100% certain he can fly it there, and I absolutely agree that it's not worth risking some clueless child cop taking the drone, plus a possible arrest (in this heat too!!) and then all the hassle of being without it for God knows how long. You're right, PJ did the right thing in the circumstances.

PJ done it right. He didn't know for sure if he'd be locked up, so he backed off. I'm sure he will now go and investigate more deeply, the legality of flying in that area. Tomorrow's another day. Big up PJ

@peterwalker9971

Жыл бұрын

He’s a coward and he bottled it yet again , the security guard clearly said ‘ I’d rather you didn’t fly the drone ‘ yes ???? That means it’s legal , PJ is the biggest coward in auditing .

@SnakePliskin762

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwalker9971 it's legal because you said? Maybe he didn't fancy a hefty fine,it doesn't need an ounce of braincell to realise a location that needs a permanent presence of armed police might need a rethink under atmua 2021.

@peterwalker9971

Жыл бұрын

@@SnakePliskin762 no it’s legal because the fkin app told him and if it was illegal the security guard would have said yes ??? How thk are you seriously .

@SnakePliskin762

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwalker9971 are you stupid? neither the app or the security guard would know it was covered under atmua. It's a socpa site not a factory. He done the right right thing instead of those plods seeing the drone going up,doing a bit of digging and giving him a fpn for the trouble.

@Davidand-Goliath

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwalker9971 Yes i thought it was the job of Auditors to push the boundaries if this does not happen we all lose our freedoms.

Never take legal advice from a guy who wears a neon vest as a career 😂

@wayne2620

Жыл бұрын

Correct, always try and find someone in the comments of a KZread video who probably lives at his nans and still considers the bra section of a well thumbed 1988 grattan catalogue his girlfriend.

I don’t get why you didn’t fly the drone, it’s either uncontrolled air space or it’s not. It’s time for you to research the matter and know the facts.

@lescarpenter162

Жыл бұрын

True Beebee, is the place shown as a large Black rectangle on Google Earth/Maps? I doubt it, do all the commercial flights and local helicopters have to steer clear? 😀

@georgebarnes8163

Жыл бұрын

@@lescarpenter162 plenty of drone footage of that site online, no one can stop anyone flying a drone over that site.

@-Deco

Жыл бұрын

Not so simple, these are not regular police officers, they are Ministry of Defense officers. Laws around places which guard MOD sites aren't the same, also, there is a visible detection scanner at the front entrance which can detect drones up to a distance of 4km. The site is guarding some highly sensitive pieces of technology, and as he already technically trespassed, the MOD officers can charge him if they get antagonised enough by the drone.

And they are called the filth because of numerous reasons one being there ignorant attitude. 👮‍♂️👮‍♂️🤮🤮

Why are we paying for two empty blue uniforms to stand outside Rolls-Royce?

@cypeman8037

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s a nuclear site, and that what MOD police do, protect these sites.

@garybrindle6715

Жыл бұрын

the higher the company share price means the higher the public funded policing, protect the investors, sole traders get a visit a few days after a crime !

You chickened out. It is either uncontrolled air space or controlled air space. If it is the former what would they arrest you for?

@ysgol3

Жыл бұрын

What a stupid comment, confusing Pete's shrewdness with a lack of courage.

This video was very revealing I feel in the way the MOD police were unable. or, unwilling to answer a direct and reasonable question. By just walking off, these police show both ignorance and contempt IMV. In the situation a good decision PJ and the video did have value. Not only are some legal issues complex, they are also open to manipulation by those in authority.

@HoratioChinn

Жыл бұрын

I'd guess they were in the same situation as PJ, knowing whether the proetced site status also applies to overflying with a drone. Police do not know all laws off by hand and it's reasonable for them not to be experts about drones. Without clarity the sensible thing would be to side on caution.

Walk of shame I'd crack on they asked you what was the weight of the drone say no more 🤷‍♂️

Uncontrolled air space = uncontrolled air space. Full stop. Giving in to the bully boys now sets the standard for the bully boys expectations and behaviour in the future.

is it on google earth ? probably

Don't cross that red line PJ 🤣

@johnholness1470

Жыл бұрын

pj got to cross the redline to read the sign that says dont cross the redline🤔

I think you should contact the drone police and get them to confirm one way or the other. I think as it's uncontrolled airspace if you are not on their property then there's nothing they or the police can do.

@HoratioChinn

Жыл бұрын

Or fly the drone outside the site perimeter and get an aerial view but not one directly over the site, as you could do for a prison for example

I had to work as a contractor at the old Rolls Royce plant at bootle Liverpool when they were building the engines for the air bus. The factory was separated in to two, catholics in one side and Protestants in the other. I have never worked in such a sinister environment. The whole lot should have been slapped and told to get on with each other or get the sack. I blame the company for letting it get to that stage. In the end it all got moved to America and they all got paid off. I’m not surprised from what I observed.

How polite that the police (public servants) decided to fully answer your questions and concerns. Bunch of arrogant muppets!

You probably made the right decision Pete, it is a very important part of the Country's national security which goes on behind that fence.

@Theoriginalbigbrillo

Жыл бұрын

National security, my Arse!! We all lost our "National security" when our country started invading other countries with our so-called allies without the people's mandate!! We had envious "National security" from around the world prior to us getting involved with other countries needs for OIL!!

@SnakePliskin762

Жыл бұрын

At last sense

Why the hell do Rolls Royce get their own coppers?? I thought they couldn't be bought!! Ha!

@DoctorBastard

2 ай бұрын

They're MOD rozzers, Roll Royce has military contracts. Seen both of them in the local tesco when I lived round the corner.

He was wrong with regard to the red line. SOCA states that: the outer perimeter of the protection provided for any premises is the line of the outermost fences, walls or other obstacles provided or relied on for protecting those premises from intruders. The red line was a red herring!

As an activist I believe you are obligated to push the issue , walk as close to that line as possible, arrest or not , a true journalist will take the risk . Just the knowledge of any repercussions or consequences it work the risk . Don’t mistake, their action will also have repercussions and consequences spending on how the scenario plays out . Sometimes stirring that is a necessity when standing up for our rights and freedoms granted to us , at birth ..✊🏿

It’s a shame you didn’t get the drone up but I can see your point so it was better you did what u did. Keep up the good work

You could have flown from the sidewalk near the street. Just taking it straight up and got an overhead view. But you are understandably weary of the risk! I would have not taken the chance of getting arrested myself! Gotta trust ya gut!🌻💛🌻

The Rolls Royce security guard has now been identified and an investigation will be forthcoming.

Agreed PJ not worth the risk!

Just for that I'm gonna stay here all day and record every person and every plate that I can see and post it on the internet for everybody in the world to see

West Derby Road (up to the red line) is Maintainable by public expense by Derby Council and is a Public Road. His rules on you flying over site it bull and he has no right to stop you. Bernstein of Leigh v Skyviews & General Ltd [1977] would indicate that you can not trespass in to their property when using the airspace above as long as you don't descend in to areas they use for the ordinary use and enjoyment of the land (so as long as their normal traffic would not collide with the drone you should be fine). Section 76, CAA 1982 - Aircraft, including drones, enjoy a statutory defence against trespass and nuisance claims.

PJ, I'm disappointed that you didn't fly the drone over on this one, it certainly comes across as a weak choice. I think it'd have been an interesting vid if you had, (cause this wasn't really). The security guard was actually professional and surprisingly smart enough not to say anything that'd make him look dumb on camera. Fair play that man. The f!lth where typically useless as always.

I’m asking in a legal basis … then he literally turns and walks away .. lol what a policy man he his

U NEED TO PUT A FORMAL QUESTION TO THE CHIEF CON REGARDING THE VEILED THREAT AND YOUR RIGHT TO FLY IN UNCONTROLLED AIRSPACE======= OR GET ANOTHER PERSON TO DO THE ASKING=========

I so want to join you to do one of these. I can’t stop watching them.

And then a pair of rambos turn up , and as normal they ignore your questions

Great video, as always! The restrictions at a Designated Site (or a Nuclear Site) for the purposes of SOCPA 2005 is all about entering being automatic trespass: you must not cross the outermost boundaries of the Designated Site, and you don't stop trespassing until you have exited the site perimeter -- i.e. you are not given a grace period of time to leave. There is nothing in the Act concerning photographing the site (I've done searches through the complete Act for "photo" and "camera" -- the only references are to the rights to take photographs of suspects at a place other than a police station, and the word "camera" doesn't occur in the text of the legislation). So the CAA have the last word about the airspace, and if RR want to make their case and apply for restriction that's up to them, but failing that, there's no control. Does anyone know different? I guess 2005 is before drone paranoia took hold.

@SnakePliskin762

Жыл бұрын

Part of Atmua is national security with a fixed penalty notice. A socpa site would definitely be in its remit.

@heckelphon

Жыл бұрын

@@SnakePliskin762 Indeed. But "National security" is such a variable concept, such that a nervous government can declare virtually anything or any activity as threatening national security. Although it's not the last word on the issue, even the Information Commissioner's Office admits that: _“National security” is not specifically defined and can be interpreted in a flexible way to adapt to changing threats._ So does this imply that appropriate authorities can determine that, for example, flying a drone over Rolls Royce constitutes a threat to national security, and, without any notice to the public to warn them, the drone pilot may be subject to the penalties provided for in ATMUA 2021? It wouldn't surprise me, especially with so much legislation now being "enabling legislation" so that the implementation can be easily varied through Statutory Instruments not pre-scrutinised by Parliament, and sometimes, depending on the zeal of the Minister, not even requiring that, it seems. All part of the knee-jerk response society we seem to live in.

@SnakePliskin762

Жыл бұрын

@@heckelphon well written response my friend. In this case I'd err on the side of caution imo with Bae having the only factories requiring a 24 hr armed unit as protection and with it being a licensed. In this case imo pj did the right thing.

"I'm asking on a legal basis ". So they walk away!

PJ I would have went in a higher altitude and use the zoom less conspicuous.

Watching from the penal colony known as Australia 🇦🇺🇬🇧 love your work 👍

I was hoping you wouldn't PJ. Didn't feel comfortable to me. Well done !!!!

It would have been good to see the drone video, but as Shakespeare once said: ‘the better part of valor is discretion.’ :)

I can’t see why you didn’t. There’s no rule saying you can’t.

personally, I would have done the same as PJ....then found out if I could fly over their site legally, if so I would do a RR audit part two and fly the drone over the site...with the knowledge that I'm educating others and satisfying my subscribers' comments and curiosity!

Focus pocus is the man for the drone fight here ....

The lefty strapped copper should be on the left of the right-handed one. They could get in a tangle if they get in a tangle. Peace.

Disgraceful police behaviour, just walking off when asked a legitimate question. If they don’t know the answer (and being stationed there they should!), then get on to commas and ask. Policing is about crime prevention and community engagement as much as reactive policing.

Trespass is NEVER a criminal offense in the UK.

@bornfree9547

Жыл бұрын

On MOD property it is and nuclear sites.

@ysgol3

Жыл бұрын

Hi, common law trespass (by which I mean 'traditional' trespass) isn't, you're absolutely right, but Parliament can, and does, make trespass in certain places a crime. For example, Buckingham Palace, it's been a crime to trespass there or in its grounds since 2007 (there was a prosecution for this in the news a few days ago). The same law appears to apply to Rolls Royce.

@pussypostlethwaitsaeronaut8503

Жыл бұрын

No such word as 'offense' in the UK. It's offence, not 'offense', unless you're American. Please use and preserve our English language and avoid adopting unnecessary Americanisms. xx

@ysgol3

Жыл бұрын

@Ed Straker Hi - the absolute opposite actually!! LOL.

@moby1388

Жыл бұрын

@Ed Straker You are everywhere on this site. You're a troll

You cannot be arrested for trespassing. Ever. You failed this time.

@bornfree9547

Жыл бұрын

On MOD property it is criminal offence and nuclear sites

@alexzzzzzzzzzz247

Жыл бұрын

He didn't fail at all. Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (the one they were trying to reference but called it SOCAP, when they meant SOCPA) makes it a criminal offence to trespass on a small number of 'designated' sites, this being one of them. Wouldn't affect drone flying though.

@dogzero1

Жыл бұрын

Hey Nick, what's it like being wrong all the time?

I would have flown the drone outside the red boundary line and they couldn’t possibly done anything as you have not flown over their site. Need to get the legal definition on this one and if it’s in your favour than I would go back and fly the drone over the site. Those two plods weren’t really interested unless you broke the law and then they would have offered you free bed & break

You’d don’t need to be arrested to prove you’re good at what you do. Check out further first & look after PJ. We need you for the future not just today. If any viewers think you should risk arrest then they can become auditors & do so.

@PJAudits

Жыл бұрын

That's what I tell them, I'm not going to get arrested for being stupid lol

looks like RR are guilty trying it on with a sign making false claims of arrest 🤔. Best to challenge this through solicitors from outside of bars though .

Hitting one of the countries energy production sites in a time when we’ve seen how important energy is to a countries security is, kinda low ballin’. Guys really will do anything for views won’t they? But not flying the drone over - that’s showing some respect. People in the comment section could learn a lot. It’s okay to not be the antagoniser all the time.

Seems nobody understand that these companies don’t control the airspace. LOL.

I think you should have flown your drone PJ, It's a shame but unfortunately you've gone down in my estimation, I expect the auditors that I watch to stand up to these Tyrants, sadly they won the day.

they should have sighns at that red line

It's legal to fly a drone over a police station, so why wouldn't it be here 😒

Send in the dj.

Always stay safe don't push your luck

You asked the question and no-one categorically stated NO, you can't fly a drone over the site, so, to me, that would be a yes, you can fly a drone over our site, but it makes unhappy.

Neither of them will be running anywhere soon with all that crap on them....

Get thi drone up lol

CRAP! What a coward.

👍👍👍👍

No Signs = the drone WILL Fly!!!

Guard> I don't want to answer any of your questions Reply> Well I didn't listen to what you said, so take your dribble and smoke it. See if you wanna walk up and talk WITH me Ill listen, but if you wanna walk up and bark and me, well WOOF WOOF WOOF back at ya!

Oh yes, a revisit, classic ❤️❤️😍😍😍😍💯✅✅💩💩💩💩😆

Police got some gear on their uniform wonder if they got whistle in their pocket 😅 looks big building .

Very wise no drone .

Why have the information signs yards pat the ed line?

So what was their "veiled threat"?

THE RED LINE AND THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POLICE on site at Rolls-Royce what's this all about has Lady Penelope and Parker brought the Pink Roller in for a service!!! You could not write this, never mind PJ we don't want you behind bars! If they did, we would get you out! - Stay Safe - PINAC! - Mark - Wallasey

If he couldn’t quote it you’d ask him to look up the laws, reading it from official documents keeps everyone in the right, no need to berate a man just doing a job to support his family, I’m sure speaking with you wasn’t the highlight of his day.

One of them coppers didn't have any shoulder numbers on display

I would rather you didnt do it then you get in trouble DJ. It's not worth losing your equipment or flying licence. I would rather you keep safe and let someone else know who doesnt care and will video as they do. Theres a few people that are willing to go do it

@PJAudits

Жыл бұрын

And me, PJ lol

@CrazyBikerGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@PJAudits 😂 Yes and you PJ, you're included. Should have proof read it over haha. Take care in this heat buddy, we dont want to see you getting burnt out there in the heat these last couple days. 39c - 41c here for me. Wrapped my head and neck in a cool towel and carrying on as I must. World doesnt stop for some sun but the dread drone would probably have a melt down. 👍

I think you made the right choice. People forget that drone flying is covered by more than just the specific drone rules (just like the highway code tells me I can drive at 60mph on a "derestricted" country road, but if I insist on doing that on some where the local conditions do not allow I can still be nicked for dangerous driving & it is no use telling Plod "ah but the highway code said I could")

@ef7480

Жыл бұрын

Bye laws cannot be slapped up willy nilly if Primary legislation is already in place to control an issue. Highway code 'speeding' info is only a 'code' and is not a criminal offence to speed over the limit.

@StreakyP

Жыл бұрын

@@ef7480 the primary legislation does exist..it is the overarching standard CAA stuff that says all airvehicles (including all categories of drones) shall be operated safely. Whilst nothing goes wrong then plod will probably do no more than some ritual stomping, grumbling & trying to look mean (but basically do nothing.... As we have seen so far) however sometime in the near future someone's drone is going to have a problem over a site, bouncing a lithium battery from 100', starting a fire... Not good on comah sites, not good on nuclear sites. Look at all the drone crash fire videos. Check out the Smethwick fire video (caused by a Chinese lantern that has even fewer flight restrictions than drones)... My guess is that the first prosecution will not be under the drone regs but under h&s regs for the consequences of something that happened. This could be up to manslaughter.... It is not illegal to tightrope walk above crocodiles, but it is not unforeseeable that someone is going to get their arse bitten in the near future..... What do you think they would have done if they identified who set off the Smethwick Chinese lantern?.... Plod seem to be waiting patiently for a clear cut precedent case to come along & they will then crucify someone for it & use it as a justification for slapping on much tighter rules.

How can those coppers be so f$#@$$g rude ? Just walking away from you ?

Is that the rolls Royce place near Chichester

I would return later and fly the drone lol 😆

Uncontrolled airspace… that’s your permission to fly

Hi P J, that question you ask at the start is one which might well turn one way if your drone was made by them but quite another if it came from some shed in China!. The chap in the Audi, did he ask if it was alright to stare at you?. The sign which says trespass on the site is a criminal offence is nonsense!, there may be other criminal offences related to unauthorised entry but trespass is a civil matter! never criminal, entry accompanied by actual damage to property, aggravated trespass is criminal in the damage part. The security man was better than most but he still is only telling you what he has been told to tell you!, it cannot be true!. I think it is quite funny that while they will arrest you if you take pictures or film them they can film you on their CCTV as much as they like!. The policeman does at least give your question some consideration and at least does not lie to you!, it would have been nice if he had come back to say he could not answer!. Cheers, Richard.

@richardharvey1732

Жыл бұрын

@@Hellstorm901 Hi Helistorm, while what you refer to as protection under the S O C A may well apply to this site it does not make transgression a trespass! that name applies only to the civil status and can only be judged in civil court!. Cheers Richard.

as its uncontrolled airspace i would of flown it, as they wouldnt have any powers sign or no sign, !

Discretion is the better part of valor.....The security guard and the cop both said it in a similar way, "We're asking you not too", "We prefer you didn't" if they knew it was illegal, I think they would have said something like "it's illegal and we will arrest you for it". I don't think they know either way. If I heard correctly, you said they had "radioactive" material in there so maybe it's a good idea not to film it, but if google earth is showing the place then you really couldn't reveal anything new right? Keep those vids coming Pete.

Look like a couple of school boys in fancy dress

'No police car' ...the cops r probably on their donut break/scone break...in USA it's donut break...in canada it's timmies

Hi, PJ not really a comment more of a question what's happened to DJ not seen any new videos for a while hope he's ok .

As much as I enjoy watching these vids if they come to my work place what i own sticking a camera in my face id belt em its funny until it happens to you 😅 but keep on pj I only have a small yard lol so no point coming here 😅

How can they arrest you is the air space restricted?

In this case I would have done what you have and backed off. I would though have gone around to another area and think about doing it from there instead.

Sorry Pete but you have now set the precedence, every where you now go you will now get the same quotation, it seems you have now become a little bit obsequice to their orders. I know you are out there doing these vids, while I am not, so respect to you, but if you are going to do this, then I feel you have to stand your ground, for fack sake its Royal Royce, so no one special. Still love the vids thou.

I’m not sure which sign it was that worried you!?

*DISLIKE* 👎 Most displeased that you have not proceeded with flying the drone as you are entitled to do so. You have cow-towed

Rather not means they can’t stop you !!!

I don’t see the difference between RR and noble foods, he pointed out the boundary so your on public land, no air restrictionsI think you bottled it just because coppers were already on site I mean how can they arrest you if you wasn’t entering site

As that second cop got make up on.?

i can understand their feelings of a drone flying over, they do a lot of work for nuclear propulsion for our subs

@bsb11kat25

Жыл бұрын

@@kensukadventures628 i know that you melt, hence my sarcastic reply!

Fly the drone at the end of the day then. If it's legal no problem. That's the whole point.

PJ I'm so sorry you had this load of idiots talking to you by all means fly away brother you know how to check the fly zone

WHAT AN TWAT THAT BACON WAS THEN HE JUST WALKED AWAY FROM U WITHOUT A CLEAR ANSWER ABOUT THE DRONE KEEP ON COLLECTING THE PHOTONS THKZ.