Ken Griffey Jr Should have been the first 1st unanimous HOF'er

@TheInferno0099

5 жыл бұрын

He was

@TheInferno0099

5 жыл бұрын

Or do you mean unanimous

@TheInferno0099

5 жыл бұрын

@orange fanta Mariano does deserve to be unanimous same with ken Griffey jr

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

I agree but what about Rickey Henderson who at 95% stole almost 500 more bases than the guy in second place. 5% biased losers didn't vote for him.

@chasewilson8555

5 жыл бұрын

In his 20 year career Ken Griffey Jr. Was a hall of Famer from 89-99 and just good from 2000-09

For Stephen A, the decision is so clear... it's black and white.

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

No its not that clear. Both were arrogant SOB's. Clemens was more defiant in thumbing his nose directly at MLB in his defiance. Thats what Stephen A has a problem with.

@ScrappEfolkz

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarkKnight-rw7yy he's implying Stephan A. Is being racist

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

@@ScrappEfolkz Yes.i get that. Not directly. Hes trying to be tongue and cheek

@chosenone8964

5 жыл бұрын

U gotta be trolling

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

@@chosenone8964 You are lost dude

Bonds before Steroids = Yes he is a HOFamer Clemens before Steroids = Yes he is a HOFamer

@jimmrson9530

5 жыл бұрын

briandgr8st exactly

@eduardovelez9983

4 жыл бұрын

briandgr8st Both of them should not be in the hall of the fame ! Because if they let them in it teaches youth and want to be athletes that’s it’s okay to cheat and use drugs whether performing enhancement or what ever ... none should he allowed in period!

@jcngokai-76

4 жыл бұрын

Clemens before steroids = his mouth got him into trouble (1990 ALCS Game 4) Bonds before steroids = Hall of Famer (but McGwire/Sosa + media did a screw job ON HIM)

@xMtF54x

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you both were undeniable hofers.

@yokaigypsy

3 жыл бұрын

Bonds never did steroids.

*If Bonds or Clemens make the HOF next year or in two years, they have to give Pete Rose a ballot*

@nicaraacalloway

5 жыл бұрын

Facts

@fatpatlives1998

5 жыл бұрын

I think pete rose will make it after he passes away unfortunately mlb likes fucking with him

@edwinmateo6283

5 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯

@tomismop

5 жыл бұрын

It's not about forgiveness. The punishment for betting on games is a lifetime ban, it's not like the mlb is doing it to fuck with him its just the rule and Pete knew that when he did it

@JeffF2022

5 жыл бұрын

@@tomismop Yes it's a lifetime ban to a extent, as a player, he didn't cheat using PED's and he still has hall of fame MLB stats and records.

Barry Bonds hit 73 homers in 2001. Idgaf what you take that's amazing

@lennyarthurreigns5658

5 жыл бұрын

73 hr its like kobe scoring 81

@ogarchielee9880

5 жыл бұрын

And he was INTENTIONALLY WALKED 200 hundred times in ONE YEAR!!

@chrisryczek7738

5 жыл бұрын

How does a 37yr old hit 73 homeruns, must been the juice! My opinion is that if you have to cheat or use steroids and your a professional ball player, your hall of fame status should be tainted PERIOD!!! No ands, ifs or buts

@ScrappEfolkz

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrisryczek7738 how did fat fucking babe Ruth smoking cigars and eating hot dogs on the field hit 60?

@theballereli

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrisryczek7738 facts

When Stephen A Smith says Clemens should be banned from the HOF for pure stupidity, Bonds fits that same category. He was a clear Hall of Famer at the time he started using, and wanted that kind of recognition?? Why tarnish your career? That is the problem with the people thst think steroid users should be in. They tarnished their own careers, and this is the consequence.

@olinstefan4537

5 жыл бұрын

Brian G thank u nobody realizes this

@jameshall9873

5 жыл бұрын

Because they was getting all the spot light bonds was better but everyone was saying the was better plus what bonds use wasn't banned then

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

These biases weighs heavily on the voting , preventing these guys from being objective about field performance.

@daryllndemmayah4874

5 жыл бұрын

It’s called ego and pride buddy

@anthonypena1836

5 жыл бұрын

Brian G so true!!

Borderline Clemens HOFer b4 Toronto!?!? Max with all due respect WTF are you smoking?! He was already in case closed..

Both Roger & Barry should be in the HOF. As should Pete Rose. All did more then enough before any " scandal " to warrant admission.

@slothkng

5 жыл бұрын

@@PoeV2 As far as i know none of the black sox are in so why would Pete be?

@slothkng

5 жыл бұрын

@@RobbieStacks90 They may have played in a less developed era as far as tactics but that doesn't mean that they weren't top players for the time

@followthebrickroad6518

5 жыл бұрын

Al Lefrancois I agree . 100 years later Not even death would put people in at times . Shoeless joe has been dead for decades and he still isn't in and he's reported to may not have been involved with that scandal

@benitorodriguez3500

5 жыл бұрын

💯 agree. It's a damn shame Pete Rose ain't in

@jg-gh4gn

5 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. I think the way Max explained it should be the way the Hall of Fame should explain it at the Museum. Clemons maybe not a 1st ballad so he can wait but you're right about Pete and Barry. That's a no brainer.

I miss max so much. I would still watch first take if he was there

"SENATOR! I was never on steroids! I just bigger and stronger the older i got!"

@Betared2003

4 жыл бұрын

HE'S FAT!

@patrickarthur26

3 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀💀

How do they justify allowing Ivan Rodriguez and Jeff Bagwell into the HOF? You're either gonna let juicers in or youre not and they've already opened the door.

@t-bo-lesotho

9 ай бұрын

Mike Piazza and David Ortiz.

Rodger Clemens, Barry Bonds and Stephen A Smith should all be banned from TV and the hall of fame......... As far as I'm concerned, Roger Maris is still the homerun king !!!!!

@alexgrigoryev9387

5 жыл бұрын

So true you're school well get back at screaming at that loud Jazz music and calling Ray Charles the devil and one more thing do you see in black and white jk lol

@jimmykuang9279

4 жыл бұрын

The record shows That’s Barry bonds Owns both season 73 & 763 career home runs

@jimmykuang9279

4 жыл бұрын

sorry Rodger Maris not the king of homeruns 73 and Hank Aaron 762

@1bdgato735

4 жыл бұрын

Hank Aaron "HAMMERING HANK"

@donniepate7313

4 жыл бұрын

Hilario benitez Well said and I agree

No one: Roger Clemens: Sure wish someone would investigate me

Clemens comparably was more than borderline HOF before coming to TO. He had killer seasons in Boston except the last 2

Talking about baseball yet have no real baseball analyst on, where's Buster Olney ?

@trapJ23

5 жыл бұрын

Max is

@ArmondoOrtiz76Lincol

5 жыл бұрын

@J. Darby Hill I think you're right but I know Buster Olney still works at ESPN so why not bring him in just for this segment.

@pierlouis7325

5 жыл бұрын

Agree.lol

@JustNeedaBeerandPark

5 жыл бұрын

Good point: However, SAS and Max cover the sport and research facts (about team's and players lifestyle) and stats.....and spend their whole days interviewing coaches and players...............analyst go into playing styles and techinques (not stats and research)........most people prefer listening to reporters because they talk shit (without knowing the game)!!!!

@greezymajor174

5 жыл бұрын

Trap J 1. Espn Doesn’t Really Talk About Baseball As Much 2. It’s Their Job, They Do Their Research And Find The Facts Nights At A Time Spend The Day Doing Interviews Finding Reliable Sources, So Its Not Like They Just Talking Out The Ass 3. Max Is Well Versed In Baseball Analyst 4. THEY ARE SPORT ANALYST, Isn’t Baseball A Sport?🤔

molly lookin confused af lool

@rogerqi

5 жыл бұрын

shes thinking in her head who the f is cy young

@EyeLoveTheStars

5 жыл бұрын

Nah she's probably like a lot of us. Bored as hell. No one cares about baseball. Molly waiting for this segment to be over lol.

Bonds Black (Yes); Clemens (White) no. Typical Stephen A.

0:33 Notice how they show Clemens as a Blue Jay and not a Red Sox or a Yankee LOL.

@denistuohy2535

Жыл бұрын

Probably because thats when he was belived to have begun juicing, and probably his best years.

@davidlevy4291

Жыл бұрын

@@denistuohy2535 B2B Triple crown on a losing team is an impressive two years.

Shocker that SAS says no to Clemens and yes to Bonds.

@Retiredmco

2 жыл бұрын

And we know WHY TOO!!!

@thespaceram2879

6 ай бұрын

​@@Retiredmco SAS is prejudice but he gets a pass for it.

@Retiredmco

6 ай бұрын

@@thespaceram2879 HIS Black privilege pure and simple

I enjoy the excitement Max exudes when talking baseball.

It was an era of steroids. We don't know who or for how long anybody was on them. Clemens faced juiced batters, Bonds faced juiced pitchers. They both dominated the era. In and in!

Stephen A “Clemens should not get in, bonds should” One of the greatest hitters ever, one of the most dominant pitchers ever. Both juiced but only one gets in SAS? 1 guy is black, 1 guy is white. There’s your answer of why Stephen A feels this way

@tylers6611

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boo hoo. Now you’re playing the race card? Stop it.

@ogGILMOURRR

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylers6611 dude shut tf up This dude brings race into it all the time when he thinks it benefits his argument. Find something legitimate to say and then come at me

@tylers6611

2 жыл бұрын

@@ogGILMOURRR roger Clemens never has been, and never will be, the player that Barry bonds was. Stop making it about race. Stephen A smith said nothing about that.

@ogGILMOURRR

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylers6611 yeah after reading your comment I’m good on this. Go fight the good fight somewhere else with that irrelevant argument 👍

@tylers6611

2 жыл бұрын

@@ogGILMOURRR thanks for your unsolicited advice. My advice to you would be don’t become what you speak against. All it does is confirm your own prejudice and hypocrisy. Thank you. 😁

If stupidity caused a person to be banned, Stephen A would long since have been off the tele!

@herogibson

4 жыл бұрын

preach

Neither Rodger Clemens or Barry Bonds ever tested positive for steroids ever

@princemalcolm7195

Жыл бұрын

Come on bro are you trying to say they werent on the juice? Just cause you dont pop doesnt mean you didnt do it, thats like saying in MMA people like Johnny Hendricks werent juicing mans never failed a drug test but the moment USADA showed up he got fat and could no longer make weight and lost every single fight

@gused6297

Жыл бұрын

Barry Bonds went from a lean dude with basically no muscle to all of a sudden looking like Big Papi are you serious But hey maybe Barry and Rogers were just getting those Mexican "Supplements" if you know what i mean lol come on man they were on it

SAS has ZERO credibility on this issue. Have a nice day!

Then from Max's logic here...Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame? Take the career before the screw ups?

I misremember

"They're both a hall of famers?"

I still remember when he whipped the broken bat at mike piazza. That was crazy

@CorbCorbin

5 жыл бұрын

That would've been fun to see. They both went around 6"3 220 lbs., so no one had a size advantage.

@Lionheart2323

5 жыл бұрын

Ya but it was the world series im sure he didnt want to get suspended

@jaredmcgorman3731

5 жыл бұрын

Mikeman Jordan piazza had it comeing

@Lionheart2323

5 жыл бұрын

@@jaredmcgorman3731 what did piazza do to clemens? Other than hit home runs

@j.l.3685

5 жыл бұрын

@@jaredmcgorman3731 stfu bitch

Max is finally right! His argument is spot on. I was saying the same thing years ago. Bond's statistics were hall of fame numbers prior to his extreme physical change. His numbers as a skinny Pittsburgh Pirate in the early 90's were top notch. Clemens as a Red Sox in the late 80's and early 90's are hall of fame worthy as well. To me in this argument it looked as though Stephen realized Mac's argument was on point and he jumped in at the end and made acknowledgement that he agreed and was thinking the same thing even though he didn't discuss it that way. "Mo" the Yankee (no a New York fan at all) closer very much deserves that honor and 1st ballot election. He epitomized what a closer should be and he excelled at it every year he played. Most closers are lucky to put together a hand ful a years before they are released or moved to middle relief. Rivera is the GOAT at that specific role. Congratulations to him.

@drg8687

2 жыл бұрын

So because he had a HOF career prior to cheating he should get in? That's a matter of opinion and clearly the voters don't agree. As a matter of fact, were the HOF's before they cheated? Yes, no doubt. That doesn't mean they should get in, character matters.

@donleonard4446

2 жыл бұрын

@@drg8687 okay so character matter so guys that we’re HOF level skill but are bad dudes shouldn’t be in

@draceoedwards431

Жыл бұрын

@@drg8687 well obviously if he was good enough to be an hall of famer before ever cheating then he should get in. Just put him in the hall of fame based off his stats in Pittsburgh, don’t count what he did in SF.

@drg8687

Жыл бұрын

@@donleonard4446 yup

@drg8687

Жыл бұрын

@@draceoedwards431 you say it's obvious but there's nothing obvious about what you said. The obvious answer is to evaluate the entire career and not cherry pick the data set.

Roger Clemens was a "borderline" hall of famer before he got to Toronto? Name a pitcher with 3 Cy Young awards and a league MVP who isn't in the Hall of Fame....

“And/or what have you”

Roger Clemens is the first pitcher I remember being a star. He had his own video game as a pitcher for christ sakes.. Baseball is a joke without the PEDs

@chillvibes375

5 жыл бұрын

a declining sport wants to attack their all time legends, rose etc. baseball is run by idiots

@georgebishop4627

5 жыл бұрын

Bo Jackson had a video game who cares.

@lamplove7702

5 жыл бұрын

Baseball used to be allot more entertaining during the steroid era. ......facts.

@futuregohan4837

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't It Called Roger Clemens's MVP Baseball

@trapez77

3 жыл бұрын

@@futuregohan4837 yeah

Clemens had a dominant second half of the 1996 season, stuck out 20 in a game near the end of the season. He was dominant in '94. When he was healthy, he was dominant. The two things that significantly altered his stats were pitching for the Yankees (ERA went up, strikeouts down) and pitching for the Astros (ERA way down facing NL hitting, no DH). The increase in muscle mass seen in Bonds, McGwire, Bagwell, Galaraggra, Dykstra, Ortiz, and Sosa didn't happen, either. I was expecting Clemens to have the kind of season

@t-bo-lesotho

9 ай бұрын

Also, I believe, the evidence indicates Clemens first used in 1998 after a sluggish first half the season, not before the 1997 season.

Cal ripken shouldve been the first unanimous selection 2 gold gloves,few errors in a season,400 home runs,3000 hits and 2632 and changed the position of ss forever

Clemens definitely is a dummy for exposing himself but I think both should be in. When everyone is on the juice is it really cheating?

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

That's the big argument. They were all doing it and the substances were not banned at the time. See Mark Maguire (wink wink)

@robertsaul234

5 жыл бұрын

Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn played in that era, and didn't use.

@sovietmcdonalds5180

4 жыл бұрын

Bet you copied in high school, taking peds is a mediocre action.

Doesn't matter. They both cheated. Plain and simple. What BOTH these men forget is the effect these two players had on OTHER players' careers. Imagine if Bonds had won that World Series against the Angels.... The Angels one time of glory wouldn't exist and we'd just be like "eesh, sorry, sucks to be you." It's just crazy to say, "oh, these guys were hall of famers anyway." Ok, so? If I have $500M already and then I start defrauding people to become a billionaire... I'm an asshole and I'm a criminal. And it doesn't matter that I was rich before I began committing fraud. These guys don't deserve to be in the HoF. Pete Rose at least never actually cheated to increase his performance and he's not in the HoF. Why should these guys be allowed in?

Roger Clemens threw at batters heads something even Nolan Ryan or Gibson never did. He's a hot head. He threw a broken bat at Piazza for crying out loud.

He should have retired in "03 but decided to comeback and got greedy and he would have gone into the Hall of fame before the PED stuff.

I think they both deserve to be in the HOF based on their numbers and achievements. Listen, no one in the Hall is squeaky clean. They all did some stuff, but they got in based on their numbers and achievements.

This is why you can't take Major League Baseball, and especially the Baseball Hall of Fame seriously

None of them should be in hof

How in the fuck are you going to put in Barry Bonds and leave out Roger Clemens?

I love when max talks peds cause he knows first hand coming from boxing. I’d love to see him expose Lebron next

@subzerofromny735

5 жыл бұрын

Junior Rebel once again bringing lebron into another topic hes has nothing to do with just to hate for no reason. All yall bitch about espn talking about him everyday

@michaelcorleone3751

5 жыл бұрын

Clutch Master fuck lebron! We hate him here in LA.

@Qody1776

5 жыл бұрын

Junior Rebel kzread.info/dash/bejne/mZ2gxpp7ctnYm6Q.html

@Qody1776

5 жыл бұрын

Junior Rebel he did expose him

@juniorrebel8479

5 жыл бұрын

Cody Bell he did it subtly I think. They won’t say it out right

Clemens belongs in the Hall.

Funny me and max have similar views. Just eliminate all their stats from when they started juicing, then make decision based on that

Barry The GOAT Period! Let the man in he was a HOFamer before he touched anything! 73 joints out the park in 2001... Nobody ain’t touching that and it’s been 18 years. Idc for Roger Clemens.... plus Barry never dropped dirty.

Bonds started doing PED's in 1993 to my best estimation. That's when he went to SF and had 46 home runs which was his most ever to that point. The most he had before that was 34. The year that PED's were in full swing around the league was 96. A lead off hitter named Brady Anderson had 50 HR's that year and never more than 24 any other year.

@tonyrame7548

5 жыл бұрын

It was probably around 27-28 years old when he started dabbling because his numbers were not that great before that. He probably increased as the time passed and really went all out when he started declining at around 34-35.

@TonyDanza4Lyfe

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh the Brady Anderson year. I gotta admit that I'm partial to the steroid era because that's what I grew up watching. I remember watching McGwire and Sosa. I saw Clemens IN PERSON his last year in 07. I'm old but idc I loved 90s baseball and for that alone I'm cool with throwing them in. So they used drugs who cares?

@TonyDanza4Lyfe

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyrame7548 yeah it's like people Don't realize that you won't notice that these people are using steroids at first. This stuff takes time despite being a short cut super drugs for athletes. So you won't notice he's changing at first even though he's getting the same benefits. If there's a leap at any point past someone's mid twenties then they're suspicious. Nelson Cruz and Josh Donaldson are the only players in recent memory to have some Randy Johnson level "ah ha!" Moments that can be explained. Donaldson switched positions and Cruz did get popped but he also started late and has kept it going well into his 40s! So I'm willing to over look that one misstep by him. But if you go through some insane change after you've proven who you are then that's suspect

I find it ironic that writers gave Bonds 4 consecutive MVP without questioning whether he juiced or not. Then writers deny him entrance to the HOF.

This video from 10 years ago popped up....

At what point was Pete Rose's career of HOF stats? Is that how your saying it should be determined?

Mariana Rivera game 4 bottom of 9, 2004 ALCS 😞

My only issue with this situation. Before steroids, it was speed. And retired players have said there was a bowl with pills in the clubhouses. So MLB looks past that era but want to penalize the steroid era.

@UMAMIMAMU

9 ай бұрын

That's a great point. And anyone trying to act like speed isn't quite as "performance enhancing" as steroids are, well let's just say they're *SADLY* mistaken.

This episode shows exactly why Stephen a smith had to get rid of maxi lol 😂

Nobody period who has used peds should be allowed in the hof. Don't care if any of them were hof candidates before they started using. Your basically telling young men and women that's ok to cheat to get an advantage. According to SAS, if other people get accolades you should be allowed to use....fyi SAS, it's not ok.

They might add a separate PED section in Cooperstown.

Why do these people shout and scream ?

All I can say is if they can take a title away from a school for a sex scandal then how come these juicers don't get their stats and awards taken away?

Molly is soooooooooooooo BADDDDDDDD! lord Jalen is lucky. lmao

@hvacallday1349

3 жыл бұрын

But can she cook though there are plenty of bad females in the world lol

@therealgordonramsay9458

3 жыл бұрын

🤮

Why would Clemens be less worthy than Bonds ? Clemens I believe was using for recovery and Bonds for performance enhancement

Barry never got caught and he admitted to using cream that wasn’t banned at the time, but there’s no way he was just using the cream, Cream won’t make your head that size lol. Either way I think he should’ve been a first ballot for sure and for Rivera to be the first unanimous and bonds not even make it is a disgrace

AROD did PEDs for maybe 2 seasons. Prior to that he was awesome. Manny Ramirez did it when he was 40 with TB and didn't want to retire. Mark? Well, Cansaco says in Oakland too.

Nope. SAS is wrong here. Both Bonds and Clemens should be in the Hall of Fame.

@DarkKnight-rw7yy

5 жыл бұрын

And Pete Rose. Rose was an arrogant idiot , and a lying gambling cheat , but was a pure master at the plate. I saw him play. One of the best ever. Vote for what these guys did on the field, not off.

@georgebishop4627

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he said that he'd lean with yes in regards to Clemens getting in. Wake up.

@justtoolit6051

5 жыл бұрын

George Bishop “roger Clemens should not get in due to sheer stupidity”. He’s wrong about that.

@georgebishop4627

5 жыл бұрын

@@justtoolit6051 He also said he'd lean toward yes he will get in. I agree totally with the fact that his stupidity should and will be the reason he doesn't get in

@xaviervega468

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarkKnight-rw7yy Pete Rose was one of the most overrated ball players of all-time. His career batting average didn't even break the top 100, despite his hustle had less than 200 stolen bases. Only 2 Gold glove in 20 years. He also padded the hell out his hit totals by inserting himself in the lineup when he was managing the Reds. Pete Rose was a very good ball player for a very long time, not much more than that.

Question what year is A-Rod has a chance to get in the hof , making a prediction he will get n first try and Bonds and Clemens too the year of the ped

Max is missing or just flat out ignoring a crucial point, and that is the question of integrity and how much weight it holds. Yes, Barry Bonds was already a Hall of Famer based on what he did before PEDs, but the question is whether integrity matters.

@Cagon415

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't. People will pretend it does, because it helps their flimsy rhetoric.

If there was a white man saying that Roger clemens should get in but not Barry because of sheer stupidity How do you think that would go?

Bonds cheating was so beyond clear when watching the game...it was watching Sosa and McGwire.

I thought Roger Clemens was Bill Eve on methamphetamine.

Balco in the house lol

Hank Aaron is the true home run king. Neither should be allowed in.

@futuregohan4837

3 жыл бұрын

If Griffey Never Got Hurt Griffey Would Be The Home Run King

Clemens, Bonds, what about when A-Rod and Big Papi are on the ballot in 2020. Bring a real Baseball analyst on this show someone who knows more about the game than just the names Stephen A.

I almost never say this, but Max is spot on here.

Max...you say all of that about the baseball dudes, but what about your boy LeBron James? I know he supposedly is hurt now, but James is doing things normal NBA players his age weren't and aren't doing now. James was playing more minutes in his 30's than in his 20's. Putting up crazy numbers, but the fan boy Lebron James Crew never questions it. Why? Look at how much money MLB took in durring the post strike steroid era. ESPN was broadcasting the games and blowing up the highlights, while trying to act as though they were investigating the stetoid scandal. You media guys are some of the biggest hypocrites. Everyone benefited from those guys juicing, and the scandal you created by outing them. This is just one reason why a lot of folks don't pau attention to nothing that cones from the mainstream media. You guys love exposing folks, calling them out and putting yourselves on a pedestal, like you're righteous, but you'll never come out and expose yourselves. For instance, we know sports are "manipulated". You won't expose it, because you are in bed with the various entities. You broadcast and promote their product, why would you. There is tons of proof, and I know you guys monitor it, that sports are manipulated to ensure certain outcomes. So what these players did steroids. If it hadn't been that "chicks dig the long ball" era, you guys and MLB might not have recovered from the strike of 1994 and then what? Instead of blasting these players whi helped to put money and resources in "your" pockets, you should be quiet and Thank them for damaging their bodies for a larger piece of the bigger pie ESPN, FOX, and the other broadcast parteners and sponsors enabled YOU to have after the fact. Stop ragging on these dudes and give them a bit of enjoyment of being recognized for being pretty damn good. A lot of players did it and still sucked. The juice didn't make a guy who couldn't pitch be able to get guys out, nor a hitter who couldn't hit be able to consistantly put his bat on the ball. You guys know that. Its just everyday, in some way, the media has to say to us, we control everything, you just shut up and listen. This is the root of a lot of the idiology spewed upon us from you.

@xaviervega468

5 жыл бұрын

@@subzerofromny735 Par for the course for Lebron haters.

Clemens pitched nearly 5K inning...Mariano pitched just over 1200. I love Mariano but gimme a break. Stop the comparisons. Put them all in.

Smith needs to realize Clemens and Bonds were both dominant at two very fucking different things

Let 'em all in

Roger Clemens said in an interview that he did not care about getting into the HOF. Respect his wish and you kill two birds with one stone. (The great, GREAT Bob Feller who BEFORE he graduated from high school was playing for the Cleveland Indians said put Clemens into the HOF you can take me out. Feller struck out 15 in his first MLB start at the age of 17 y/o.)

Bonds came into the league a 176 lb. Slap hitting base stealer and left a 240 lb. HR king with a head the size of a watermelon. NO JUICEHEADS IN THE HALL.

Can we also talk about Sosa and McGuire still being on the ballot? They're also juicers.

@jameshall9873

5 жыл бұрын

And them 2 wasn't hof before juicing

@codydisney9959

4 жыл бұрын

Sosa never juiced

Ken Griffey Jr was my favorite player. I don't think he juiced, and he was right behind McGwire and Sosa in home runs if I remember correctly.

@DL-gv2es

3 жыл бұрын

naw he wasnt

@DL-gv2es

3 жыл бұрын

nvm he kinda was but he was probably juicing as well

Mario & Frankco👏👏👏

I like Max's method of evaluating this

Stepehen Smith said, From Day #1 Bonds was a HOF and we knew? He was good early in his career but after 4 years in the league had a .256 Avg. I don't think everyone knew he was a sure fire HOF'er back then.

And not only did Barry Bonds or Rodger Clemens ever test positive for steroids they were also found not guilty for lying in a court of law about taking steroids

So Mariano Rivera is the 1st unanimous hall of famer being a closer and only pitching a inning or two???

Max is right! Judge the man statistically before the steroid allegations and decide if he's a HOF.

The rules of voting for the HOF include “integrity, sportsmanship and character.” It doesn’t say to consider those for only part of a player’s career, before they became cheaters. A guy like Pete Rose fails on integrity, as well as being permanently ineligible. If people want an HOF that doesn’t instruct voters to take these factors into account, then they should try to get the rules changed, or found their own HOF. The fact that these guys aren’t coming out and blaming the few admitted cheaters, like Canseco, for ruining it for all of the clean guys indicates their guilt, in my mind. They also have a beef against MLB for cheering on the achievements they accomplished while juicing.

They all should be let in for not fronting out the hundreds of other players that used

Roger top twenty best Yankee pitcher all time

First time I've ever agreed with this carnival barker.

I have both their rookie cards though.

Barry and Roger both are ready for The HOF.

As a baseball purist, I hate this argument that Stephen and Max always uses when they say Bonds would have been in the HOF prior to steroids. The HOF have a lot of players that aren’t the absolute elite. These guys who do steroids do it to break records that were held be natural baseball gods. The HOF wasn’t on their mind. I feel for guys like Mays and Ruth.

Maybe there should be 3 Hall Of Fames: HOF1 = Likely no cheating HOF2 = Likely cheated HOF3 = Busted Cheaters Clemons, Bonds, Maguire, Sosa can all make the HOF3. Now nobody can argue

Not glad its him.....so many players should've been unanimous first

Stephen a Smith is doing black versus white again this is getting old now

Money, greed, selfishness, hype, social media, has destroyed pro sports

I really hate what the idea of cheaters in the HOF says about acountability: when they did what they did they knew "this might cost me the HOF" still did it. Grown man decididing they didnt care and cheated and NOW its ok? If your actions dont have consequences rules no longer matter. Oh and btw: "I didnt know" Barry Bonds at least be a man about it so I can respect you.

I'll take Max's argument on Clemons. In light of Mike Mussina being selected into the Hall, Clemons was a better pitcher than Mussina BEFORE the steroid usage started in 1999. He already had 3 Cy Youngs. This is the opinion of a Yankee fan who never really took to Roger Clemens while he was a Yankee.

regardless if they juiced or not, you can’t tell the story of baseball without mentioning clemens, bonds, and mcgwire. that’s why they need to be in the hall of fame