Love the dichotomy of having an RTD coffee sponsor on a video about a potential home roaster 😁

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you wanna roast, and sometimes you wanna just drink it. Haha

@jazzynotjeff

Жыл бұрын

Right? As soon as I saw the sponsored item I was like.... I have a feeling this isn't gonna go well for the Roest. Cool tech, but $6k?

@sebaba001

Жыл бұрын

@@jazzynotjeff for all the medium and big businesses thats nothing, if you make that in 3 days of coffee sales and it can really help you experiment and nail down the perfect curves for your coffee its worth it. Not really accessible for home roasters.

@JesseDishner

Жыл бұрын

@@sebaba001 $6k isn't nothing, its a pallet of greens.

Another great review. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts👍

Something scaled down to the $2k price point would probably sell to a lot of home roasters. 6k is a lot and is an amount that requires reflection, but people plunk down 2000 bucks on toys that collect dust, all the time.

Thanks for a very comprehensive review. As someone who has dabbled in home roasting for 15 + years, from popcorn poppers to the Hottop, This roast looks great, but the price is the main stumbling block for my situation. It was obviously conceived as the commercial roasters high end sample roaster. Interestingly, some of ROEST's latest promotional videos and instagram posts appear to be targeted at home use. I wonder if they would consider a more basic version for the home roaster that was at a more accessible price point ?

Thanks for this video. As a home roaster, I’m always looking to make roasting more convenient.

I started with Whirly Pop and quickly found the Gene Cafe' Roaster. After learning I ended with a 5 bean blend roasting each bean type separately. I would do two loads of each bean @ 240g. It took quite a while to complete a full batch. Covid hit and Sweet Marias no longer had all beans for my blend so I dropped them. I could always rely on my local roasters. The Gene Cafe is an incredibly uniform roaster with on the fly controls for time and temp. Worked out my own profiles which yielded a flavor unmatched in our community.

@slam854

Жыл бұрын

The Roest looks like an amazing machine. Price tag is too steep for me and roast size is quite small. This is an automated machine if you wish with lot of nice features. I used my Gene Cafe for 6yrs with no problems BUT actual bean temp could not be monitored. The roaster used an off-axis rotating chamber spilling beans over a perforated center baffle which would continuously shuffle the bean mixture. Roast temp was monitored by thermocouple on exhaust port. It worked well for me because I learned the machine.

Thank you, as always. To my eyes, a lovely looking machine that I would love to see in my home. I love the overall simplicity for automatic roasting. Sadly the price point is not compatible with my possible budget. I wish the Company well, because it seems to do a good job.

@veganpotterthevegan

Жыл бұрын

The Aillio Bullet will run automatic programs for around $3100 and it'll roast much more coffee.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean in my limited time with the Roest it was great. I just wish it wasn’t so cost prohibitive.

I was looking at both the Ikawa Pro and the Roest about a year ago and decided to pick up the Ikawa. I was more worried about portability and venting than other features. I love the idea of first crack detection, though.

Thanks for the thorough review! Definitely seems like more of a professional QA tool for bigger operations given the price point. Curious if anyone out there has compared this to the Probat Electric Sample Roaster...

Thank you my friend. 🙏🏻

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Of course! Thanks for being a faithful viewer!

Great video! Loved the insight and your opinions on it! Also great background music. I have a question for you. My Iroast2 is dying, literally falling apart. What would you suggest for my next roaster?

Enjoyed your comprehensive content, as usual! Home roasting would be a step too far for me. I already spend too much money on coffee equipments, haha. Having said that, I appreciate how the coffee industry keeps on innovating and that consumers have more choices.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Wyn! And I get that. Roasting is pretty a pretty niche part of the coffee world, and definitely has a some barriers. If it’s not price it’s the knowledge, but I like to see it becoming more popular, and hopefully with time less expensive.

@2k3r1

Жыл бұрын

How much do you spend on coffee a year? My Huky 500 was paid for within a few years (assuming my labor is free!) because locally roasted coffee is so much more expensive than roasting your own. I am currently looking to upgrade to a bigger machine just for stability but prices are not quite reasonable lol

I've seen this machine at trade shows and one in a roaster in Tokyo, but I couldn't see any justification for the price tag with the small capacity. I'd love to try one out and it looks lovely, but a fully automatic roaster needs to have a decent batch size to be worth it for me. Thanks for the review ;)

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mean I see some use cases for large scale commercial roasters and those home users willing to commit to the price to skip the learning curve. I just wish it was more broadly affordable.

Thanks for the review Spro! Very interesting to see this machine in action. It looks like this machine is really targeted at professional sample roasting. Home roasters aren't going to spend $6,000 on a roaster that only does 100g batches. I go through that much in a day sometimes. I can't imagine choosing this over an Aillio bullet. I'll stick with my 226g batches on a freshroast for now.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome and thanks for watching! And yeah, I’m with you. It’s price holds it back from becoming a household standard that’s for sure, I love my bullet and use it as a production roaster. I see the benefit of the Roest in some ways, but at home the batch to price just isn’t there for most daily coffee drinkers.

@ROESTCoffee

Жыл бұрын

Your correct - we are not targeting home roasters but over the years we have been in contact with many and sold quite a few. For those that ended up with a ROEST the efficiency and consistency have been the deciding factor. Since this video was published we have increased the batch size to 200 grams. A new inlet temp sensor enabled us to keep a consistent result with a larger volume of beans. This can be also retrofitted on previous models. With 200-gram batch sizes you can now roast 600 grams in 20 minutes - starting with a cold machine.

@Runoratsu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wouldn’t agree home roasters _won’t_ spend the money. People drop 10k on their espresso machines. Why not 7k on a roaster to go along with it? I’m not at that point, financially, either (yet?), but if I had that kind of disposable income (say, 200k/y upwards, which is still relatively common), I could see myself getting it just to have some fancy, cool, high quality toy to spend my limited free time with. And for those especially the 100g make sense. Why would I want to roast a kilo? I’d want to experiment and refine-small batch size is a _feature_ for that use case.

The Kaffelogic is a full home profile roaster more likely to do it due to the price point. Only difference is it’s fluid bed - so to pros that might matter vs drum. I love it though!

NICE

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

IYKYK

I think the Roest is a great looking, compact machine, but for that price, I''ll stick with my Mill City 500 g. I've been curious about it, so, thanks for the review.

Would be super interested in your review of the Kaffelogic Nano, now that it's available for North America and has a boost kit that ups the capacity to 180-200g.

Sprom, thank for this! Will you also review the Kaffelogic ? I have great expectations on their US launch !

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Of course! Thanks for watching. And yeah, I have a lot of comments here asking so I will reach out and let them know they are highly requested and see what we can work out.

Makes the Sandbox Smart look like the bargain of the Century

What are your thoughts on the gene cafe? I’m kind of trying to decide if I should go with that or the behmor or an sr800 I would love to hear what you would pick for just simple home use with no interest of getting all scientific or trying to get into business later on I just want fresh coffee at home without paying premium that coffee shops charge

I looked at this when I was going for a home roaster and it does have the advantage that you seem to be able to access, create and share profiles without a subscription (unlike some others). Agree re wifi - but a little confused as it seems they can have a phidget installed - listed on cropster site as such integration via usb as a result - so potentially artisan too with a little effort for home. Or have I missed something here?

The cheapest one costs almost one ton of arabiga premium sieve 17/18 coffee beans in Brazil !! But it looks very attractive.

Thank you for the review! Price tag really is a bummer.. have you thought about looking at the Kaffelogic Nano 7e? Sounds very intriguing as well and at around 1000€ in Europe much more affordable..

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! And yeah, another commenter brought this one up too, I’m going to dig into it and see if I can snag one for review in the near future.

I can provide some insight on the reasons why I went with a Roest L100 for home use. I had never roasted before but wanted something i could grow into and learn without wondering if the machine messed up or me. The other factor that pushed me towards the roast is they use easy to repair parts for all the internals so it can be done by the owner instead of sent back to the factory and is meant to roast many thousands of batches between maintenance. More to come on that after I've had it for long enough.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Good to know! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perhaps that will help people wrap their heads around the upfront cost. It is pretty daunting, definitely was some sticker shock when I saw it.

@marcoponti3793

Жыл бұрын

That may be true, but i liked how they specifically mentioned it up front, the designed it to be easy to repair. I also like how they've been updating the software consistently, and working with Scott Rao for tips, it may be getting automatic BBP soon. I was certainly looking for a buy it once and be done item 🤷‍♂️ we'll see if it pans out.

@ROESTCoffee

Жыл бұрын

@@marcoponti3793 yes, you've noticed it correctly! We are currently working on automated BBP, some customer's are already testing it out. You will be soon able to create BBP profiles to run before roasting and in between. Also new temperature sensor is coming soon (of course it will be retrofit :) to conquer the room temperature changes. No more voltage fluctuation which is very common for roasters. This is what we believe is a great value with ROEST, we keep improving it based on our customer's input. On our forum we have a section asking for features you miss in your roaster. Based on the input we develop new features and send them regularly to our customers. No subscriptions fees.

ok, now you got me thinking. Not always a good thing.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thinking can be hazardous to your health

Would you be open to doing a more in depth video on the results? E.g. Do a light, medium, and dark roast. Compare these to the same type of roast from commercial equipment. This is the only thing I come away from the video not knowing. It seems good, but is it professional good? Is it good for all profiles?

Looks like a great small home roaster/sample roaster. But that price tag is just plain ridiculous! There's absolutely no way it's worth that, maybe $2.5-3.5K tops!

I would want to purchase a coffee roaster for the healthy reasons as I have heard and read about such things as mold, pesticides and other unwanted health concerns that could come from store shelves. I cant verify this personally, just what I have heard. Also antioxidants seems to reduce well beans sit for a long time, I also heard. The coffee roaster machine would have to be better or on par with professional roasters results to justify it for me and investment made. Coffee connoisseurs are perfectionist when it comes to the end product and roasting is just the next step up from their already expensive set up. I feel you would need to buy a pallet of coffee beans to save money or the even be aloud to make an order for shipment. Just some thoughts.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t heard of the mold or other issues happening in store shelves, but I do see some coffee sitting for months. You can get a good roast form both professional and hobby options. I used the simple Hive to roast samples before and get solid results. It’s essentially a modified popcorn popper. In terms of the ordering coffee, yeah I guess in the long run it would be less expensive to order in bulk, everything is. But storage of a 140lb bag of coffee isn’t all that idea for most homes, and it needs to be away from fumes and temp swings to avoid it soaking up, or quickly drying out. You can get less expensive bags of smaller sizes from Genuine Origin, Royal Coffee, etc. and avoid those risks but pay a bit more per pound.

How does it's performance compare with the programmable HotTop (KN 8828B-2K+)? How does its value for money compare with the programmable HotTop (KN 8828B-2K+), which is very much less expensive?

Yep, I've got Kaffelogic Nano and does almost everything the same as Roest for a fraction of it's price. For me home roasting price ceiling is around a $1000.... maybe $1500 for some exceptional machine that would allow roasting a wide range of charges (like 100g-500g). Roest is crazy expensive. Another aspect is what you really need from a roaster to roast a good coffee at home (I guess nice insight what matters comes from Coffee-Mind). All-in-all I hope there is going to be a kind of half Bullet, for half of its price with half of its size with 100% of its functionality someday :)

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

That seems to be the next one to try! I’ll be looking into it for sure.

@dimaangert

Жыл бұрын

Have you had a chance to compare Kaffeelogic to Bullet in terms of cup quality?

@marcin.sobocinski

Жыл бұрын

@@dimaangert I haven't... unfortunately I have no space nor budget for Bullet. I can easily store Kaffelogic in my kitchen and Bullet looks more like garage roaster 😀. From my very subjective point of view (supported with Morten Münchow's from Coffee Mind research) I would argue there is so much to play with before you will get to the point you wonder which roaster gives better cup quality. I terms of cup quality pyramid you have first and foremost beans and bean quality (a lot of variation here to experiment with), then you have a roast degree you have to pick up for a particular bean (a lot of play here, requires a lot of time and all software driven roaster will make those experiments possible), then the development time, then the curve itself, then the brewing recipe. Taking all that into consideration if you're not a caffe you need small batches just not to waste too much beans during that experiments. And roasting 400-500g back-to-back on Kaffelogic in fully automatic mode is a breeze. I would call myself audiofile, but coffee seems to be very similar to the whole Hi-Fi and Hi-End world. People swear they hear the difference between one $1000 cable and another but nobody does blind tests to prove it 😀. That's why I decided to focus on what counts. I have a nice roaster (reasonably priced), I have a decent grinder (the most important part of the chain for me) and nice (but not decent) espresso machine. That sandbox should suit my experiments well for years (provided that the components are reliable enough).

@dimaangert

Жыл бұрын

@@marcin.sobocinski Thank you for the detailed answer. I do have Bullet, but looking for a possible sample roaster to accompany it. I agree that the beans have the utmost importance and this is why I only roast specialty beans. Since I only like washed coffees and thanks to limited availability in my country, I mostly roast Colombian and Ethiopian beans and basically concentrate on developing suitable profiles.

@Luka-kb5tk

Жыл бұрын

Did you put your order in for the new chaff collector and boost kit for roasting up to 200 grams?

I made a DIY 300-400G batch roaster using a popcorn machine and the top component round convection oven heater. Total cost under 100usd. I also use a heat gun and a large cooking pot (50usd) 500g batches and does the job well plus bonus as it has taught me a lot about roasting.

My man thinks he is cheeky with the NICE at the 5:34 mark hahaha

Any review of Sandbox Smart?

Oh boy, I'm early!

@websurfer945

Жыл бұрын

That’s okay, I’m here for some early company

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Early viewers unite!

Price is STEEP but that thing is legit.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! Definitely very cool, but very pricy.

Thanks for the review. ROEST should skip the screen on the roaster altogether or at least provide manual control on their roasting software. Where's the fun in pre-saved profiles? It's all about finding the roast that works best for you.

Need a comparison video between this and the ikawa. Use the ikawa almost daily at work, but never had a chance to work on this. My biggest concern is the potential lack of support if something goes wrong or parts need changing i.e bean probe(s) from ROEST especially in Australia. Which if you think about it, we're not short of green coffee importers who mostly use the Ikawa for this reason, not the high purchase cost is a problem

@ROESTCoffee

Жыл бұрын

We would love to see that too! :) Never afraid of healthy competition, it's actually what moves us all forward, isn't it? Service and support is always a challenge, technology breaks no matter what, it's just how it is. That's why we developed a roaster you can fix yourself when the problem arises. The inside of the roaster is built in a way to let you have easy access when you need to replace any part. We created videos and manuals to make it easy and with our online support, we are there to guide you to fix any problem without having it send back to us. And it's working very well. We encourage our customers to not be afraid of opening roaster and fixing it, it's better for you to know your roaster.

@trondsimonsen6805

Жыл бұрын

We will set up distribution in Australia next year - if you know someone who would be a good fit we would love to be introduced. All the best, Trond

Where did the bellows of the DF64P go?

Ouch 6k feels very steep, I was actually searching for the store before you mentioned the price. If it were around the £2k mark I'd have been very tempted.

In my view, the real home roaster options under $3k make this entirely unnecessary. Even the Aillio Bullet at $3.5k would be an excellent substitute and more than a home roaster would ever need, assuming you can roast coffee well enough from the get-go to make the coast worth your while, rather than supporting and getting to know a local small batch roaster. But hey, I get it, toys are fun :)

Hey, Sprometheus! I just got my order of Sweater Weather coffee. It’s by far the most exotic coffee I’ve tasted! To maximize flavor, what recipe do you recommend using the Orea V3? Thanks

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad to hear you’re enjoying it. I’ve been using my standard Orea V3 recipe with it, so 200-205 degree water, 15g 240g total. 3 pours, 40g bloom, 100 And 100 with short pauses between to let the water level lower. Should take about 2-2.5 minutes

@MrKent84

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus much appreciated! I will give it a go in the morning. 🤙🏼

Once you're falling down the rabbit hole of espresso machines, 😄 there's no turning back.

We’ve been roasting at home for years, starting with a popper, going through a few plastic air roasters, and then the Behmor. The Behmor works okay and can do one pound batches, but the workflow and consistency aren’t ideal. The US version of the Kaffelogic Nano should arrive here within a month or so. It’s air based, but metal, so it should have longevity. And like the Roest, it should work fully automatically. I’ve heard that air and drum roasters yield different characteristics, but frankly, I think air is great for small batch uniformity. A Kaffelogic review could serve your audience well. It’s established, but new to the US. And the pricing beats the Bullet and Roest for the home market. I can hardly wait for ours to arrive!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I’m with you about air roasting and small batches. I was always impressed by the evenness of the IKAWA in tiny 50g batches. I did notice a significant flavor swing between it and the Diedrich IR5 we used for production though. I’ve heard of the Kaffelogic, I didn’t realize it was about to drop. I’ll have to follow back up with it and take a second look.

@JonFairhurst

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Yeah, it’s in manufacturing now. I also ordered the Boost kit, which increases the batch size to 200g. That puts it in a nice range for home roasting, especially with the rinse-and-repeat workflow. An interesting feature is a profile for immediate use, rather than a four day rest. We will see if that really works or is just hype.

@DavidNolet83

Жыл бұрын

​@@Sprometheus Their software is free to download on their website if you want to take a look. The first 120v units should be shipped in the coming weeks. It may not be as good as the Roest but it seems to be flexible and consistent. And affordable 🤣.

If there would be a larger version for i.e. 500g batches, could this be an on-demand roaster for a café!? Seeing your coffee being roasted right before purchase might be an USP. Depending on the electrical bill and write-off (not sure if that is the correct term).

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

They are actually working on a larger version, maybe 1 or 2kg if I recall correctly. There also is the Bellwether that is an electric, low emissions roaster that is gaining some popularity in cafes. There are even a few here in San Diego where I live. Again the upfront cost is massive, but they have a lease program too.

☕☕☕ Love Is Important

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Indeed.

This is a sweet machine. Especially for a "homebarista" that likes to have controle over the complete coffee process without de extensieve knowledge you need to have to roast your beans. Unfortunately this price is a definite No Go... I do understand that this machine has a great build quality and is more a professional use machine than a prosumer product but its use is more for home use I guess.. Hope that in the future the pricing of these machines will go down.

I do not need another expensive hobby... but I sure want it

Sprometheus, did you give your Bullet back? I did not see any roasts in your Roast World profile :)?

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

No the bullet is mine, I bought that for my business. I’m not sure if my settings are odd or something but I’ve been roasting up a storm but just production roasts of the same coffee so not a lot of differences.

@EdinbruehtKaffee

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus thanks for letting me know ! Do you feel that roasting is different on the bullet ? I have been roasting on a 30 kg machine from Giessen before, however the bullet reacts totally different is what I feel. Would love to hear your thoughts !

I think this roaster is intriguing, especially because of how automated it can be but I am with you on the price point - ultimately an at-home coffee roaster has to be affordable otherwise the home-roaster cannot buy it. I just recently bought a Behmor coffee roaster and am eager to try it compared to the first roaster I had that was a cheap Chinese made device. I don't mind paying a quality price for a quality device but the Roest cannot be the one. I was excited when I learned of the Aillio Bullet but that too is far too expensive for most home roasters, in my opinion. I would love to see a Bullet like device at a Behmor price point.

@thumbtak123

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. If not priced for home consumers, home consumers won't buy it.

@FriedChikan

Жыл бұрын

I've just bought a Behmor for this exact reason. Better composition than a DIY setup for not much more. Eventually I'd love a bullet for a semi commercial small side hustle

@thumbtak123

Жыл бұрын

@@FriedChikan I have been looking at the IKAWA Home Roasting System as that seems better priced.

@FriedChikan

Жыл бұрын

@@thumbtak123 that looks really nice

interesting but No Bueno - I just as soon leave it to my trusted small batch roaster that I have used for years.

Do they have a version without the wifi? I don't really like the fact that you depend on a remote service for access certain settings or data.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

They’re all wifi capable I believe. You can use it in offline mode, but if you want to track a profile or log a roast it has to be connected.

@Cubannerd

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus bummer. Is there any other roaster similar to this one that is not connected to the net?

@trondsimonsen6805

Жыл бұрын

We will have an offline solution during 2023 that can be updated to all models.

@Cubannerd

Жыл бұрын

@@trondsimonsen6805 that's cool. 🤟

For 5000$ you can get your own tempature adjuster x)

Saw the Roest years ago at World of Coffee in Amsterdam. The people were somewhat unapproachable and they didn't have a price tag attached to their show model either. After online research I realized that the price of these things matched their floor personnels approachability to a T. That said, the idea is neat, but I can't help but feel that it's a hacked together machine. The UI looks like something someone with 3 weeks of Arduino experience would make and the WiFi set up process confirms that. That said, I genuinely think the idea is flawed. People that have no interest in tinkering with their home roaster and just want the same roast over and over again... they just buy their coffee from a roaster. People that do want to tinker, they buy a Bullet, especially with that price.

@trondsimonsen6805

Жыл бұрын

Hi Sebastian! Back in 2018 (WOC Amsterdam) it was just me and my brother on the stand. Two nerdy Norwegians with 100 things to fix to get the roaster to the market. I actually had to jump on a train, during the expo, to fix an issue with the roaster at KIWA (certification test facility) a few hours away from the event. Since then we have used thousands of hours perfecting the roaster with regular OTA updates and some hardware tweaks. I'll admit that the WiFi solution could have been better - but that's something we are working on right now. With that, the UI will also be updated to look more like our upcoming production roaster the p2000. All existing roasters can then be upgraded with this new solution. Our roaster is also not designed to be a home roaster - but the world's most efficient and consistent sample roaster. And for those roasting from 60-200 samples a day our design is a game changer in efficiency and consistency. Still we have a growing number of home roaster and we absolutely love that! I hope we make a better impression at the stands now that we have a great team behind ROEST. You are very welcome to join us for a talk the next time our paths cross. All the best Trond

I would love to have it at home but really to expansive 😢

I have a Behmor that can do up to 1lb so going down to 120g is a big downside. The price is also a huge no for me so I guess I'm staying with the Behmor for a little longer

Definitely a lovely looking roaster, but 120g roast capacity is way too small for something of that price point. Sure there will be many that can afford such a luxury item, but for me I will stick with my Gene Cafe CBR-101 for the time being.

Giving the price at the end gets you more views.

This makes the "Fresh Roast SR540" for $209 seem like a bargain.

I'm gonna be honest: if someone buys a $6k coffee roaster for their home but doesn't have Wi-Fi... sounds like a "you" problem. But agreed, a cabled option would be great. (he said, about equipment he'll never buy.)

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Haha yes I get your point. But it’s designed also for sample roasting and has a travel case option. So if you take it to origin, let’s say Ethiopia for instance, and wifi isn’t available or the signal isn’t strong it could be a serious downside.

I have only occasionally been tempted to home roast, but one deciding negative to that has been a perceived requirement to vent harmful smoke & gases out of the roasting area (often from a garage & vent out through a wall or window). Your setup looks like you are roasting right in your kitchen. It looks like you do this 'in home' without smoking up the place or asphyxiating folks?

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Well the benefit of a small batch is it hardly creates any smoke at all. I have it vented out the window, and I removed my smoke alarm from the room just in case, but didn’t notice much if any fumes. On the other hand, the 1kg roaster I use for production, the bullet, needs more venting and I usually opt to roast outdoors.

@bacca71

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Thanks! Useful to know.

@bacca71

Жыл бұрын

@@dsdf_fdp1858 Thanks!

Not a want but a need

Home roast is a never proposition for most. Its not about the roasters but the green. Who actually sells consistent high quality say 88+ green to the home market in say

I think the graphical UI on the machine could do with a lot of work in terms of polish. The external app being in beta is also not a great sign. For a $6000 product I would expect finished apps and more customised machine UI than black stock text in white rectangles.

@trondsimonsen6805

Жыл бұрын

Hi! The UI of the screen can definitely be polished and will be, but so far we have focused on implementing new functionality primarily. We are also working on a new PCB that will be ready in 2023 - enabling us to do everything we want with the UI - and this can be retrofitted on all existing models. This PCB will be based on the same setup as p2000 which we have spent the last 2 years designing. Our webportal for live view, profiles and logs is in beta because it's replacing our existing webportal with many new functionalities over the old version. It's built together with our new production roaster. It's now mainly in beta because we haven't had time to make updated manuals. All the best, Trond

At that price tag, if I saved $5 per pound vs buying already roasted specialty coffee, if I drank 1 pound per week it would pay for itself in 23 years. Hmmmm.

I love it, But the price tag is a No, No.

69 - NICE 😂

Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤🕊

After reading and comparing, the Roest isn't even a home-roaster. It's a cupping roaster at best. 1.2kg/hr makes it a very hard sell.

Is your freezer stocked with those pods? Really? Maybe so, maybe there should be better ad texts.

The Roest seems really cool. But for the price of two Bullets, its not that cool,

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the bullet is what I would consider an affordable small production roaster at its best. This would be an awesome pairing for samples, it’s very difficult to roast less than 250g in the Bullet, but combined you could get a professional gas roaster.

@ToddJohnson15

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Correct. I've been using a localized (for my machine) version of Hoos' 150g sample roast profile on my Bullet, but it is very hard to get good IBTS, BT (and RoRs) at 150g on the Bullet. When I get a new coffee I need to be able to quickly roast it to several possible target end colors, then measure whole/ground color, then blind cup. That gives me an idea of where to take the coffee on a larger roaster. I can do this on my PID'd Coffee Crafters 3e using an 8oz batch, but that requires me to adjust the loft the entire roast and, it too, has very flakey temp readings at 8oz. End result, to save time I'm thinking of the Roest. For most coffees I'd try several basic profiles starting at Nordic and going up to medium. Then blind cup and possibly repeat before scaling to one of my other roasters. I don't have much time to waste with new coffees, since I also create custom labels and marketing material for each one. So anything that can save me time is welcome. Sure, I have to sell a lot of coffee to cover the price of the machine, but that neglects to consider my time babysitting other roasters--time I just don't have.

I think the cost is a lot, but potentially justifiable. They set out to make the best home roaster, and it seems like they achieved most of it. Based on your review, I think if they improve the usability and connectivity of the software, the cost could pretty much be fully justified.

@ROESTCoffee

Жыл бұрын

We are working on a new solution based on the development of p2000. It can be retrofitted on all models. It will have all the connections a normal computer has and a new screen with unlimited possibilities.

It seems like companies in USA bank on people who have OCD. Just grab a bag of fresh coffee, brew it, drink and enjoy your damn life !

a nespresso sponsor?

@justinbouchard

Жыл бұрын

every 3db is double the perceived increase in volume the difference between 60 and 63 db is literally almost twice as loud as perceived by the human ear.

Kinda wish you’d mentioned the price from the start.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Where’s the fun in that? Part of the reason is I find many people would click in the comment it’s overpriced or something without watching or even trying to understand why it’s expensive.

@caffeinated_slacker

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheusyeah, that was a jokingly sarcastic response … I was waiting for the brutal price tag the whole time ;-)

$6k, lmao, this is VERY commercial equipment. It looks nice, but I think I'll stick with my $180 SR500 that has worked great every week for 8 years.

Really cool product that unfortunately is 4K overpriced.

$7,650. why? Why does a little machine like this cost so much? You could purchase two very nice high end refrigerators for that price. That has much more technology involved. Coffee has the biggest price gougers out of any hobby there is. Grinders and espresso machines selling for the same price as vehicles. People are insane to buy it or just very wealthy. Blows my mind and makes me want to engineer and produce a roaster that’s fairly priced for your every day hobbiest. Sorry for the rant, awesome video though!

Norway 🇳🇴 cheaper China 🇨🇳? Thanks ☕️☕️☕️

cometeer? no thanks. i'll resist.

$6,000 machines make my $45 Hario Switch and my $8 hand grinder look vastly superior. My neighbor is a custom roaster so I certainly don’t need one.

6000 bucks for a roasting machine makes no sense for 99 percent of the people. That's A LOT of bags of good quality coffee you can buy.

You lost me at 120gr per batch.

too much technoly for a cup of coffee.. they reached the "none sense" boundary trying to charge more.. maybe for a lab could be worth it

$6k? meh

That frozen coffee you are pushing is a ripoff. Not only is it super pricy but you cannot even try it without signing up for a subscription! They say you can get around it by suspending subscription but overall, who wants to paying 64.00 a week or a month for this nonsense!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

You’re entitled to your opinion, but considering it’s $2 a cup for specialty coffee I don’t see that as a ripoff. If I go out for coffee I’m paying at least $5 plus a tip for a single drink if you do the math and go out for coffee even just 5 days a week that’s $140. Its a bargain in my honest opinion, but if you want to complain about $2 a cup you may want to invest in a time machine because quality coffee is only going to get more expensive.

@johngilman760

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Such A Deal!! Fuhgedabouit!😂

Ooof too expensive for me 🥲 I already got 5kg drum roaster for $3000. But roest is very interesting to get 😁

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like that’s going to be the general takeaway. I hope they come out with a less expensive option in time.

You did not just say “sniffing hot bean”…….