*_Which shock would you run? And why?_*

@justsayin3600

3 жыл бұрын

Fox Float DPS 140mm with a firmer retuned damper because I'm 220lbs. I'm really glad you brought out tuning a shock. I don't think most heavy riders realize they can have the shock retuned. It makes a huge difference. The upgrade is worth it!

@skullsroad3642

3 жыл бұрын

I love the performance of the X2 but don't like that both of the shocks that I've owned started squelching after a few months. And they're really complicated to service, so you need to send them out. I like to do my own maintenance so I decided to go with DVO.

@ShredReadyFilms

3 жыл бұрын

I run the fox x2 and love it, but am eager to move to the dhx2 soon. Would you guys do a comparison video on the dhx2 2020 and the roxshoxs coil? That would help me with my search

@mtbkid9372

3 жыл бұрын

I have the super deluxe select and I love it, I don't fine tune my shock much though

@luisjaax

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShredReadyFilms same

Watching this at .5 or .25 speed is hilarious. The guy sounds hammered lol

@CarlosSanchez-cq1lf

3 жыл бұрын

holy shit, i just did this and its hilarious HAHAHA

@rrej2

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@adityachowhan3239

3 жыл бұрын

How high are you

@topspot4834

3 жыл бұрын

LOL did it ... .25 is too slow but .5 sounds perfect ... And yes I'm high. Off with though! Edit: *work ... told you i was high

@rubbersidedown5620

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to take this to the next level, watch Bob Ross at 1.5x speed for a while. He talks like a normal person but his paintbrush goes nuts!

Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil?

@NickBosshard

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure about the internal differences of the Super Deluxe vs. the Super Deluxe Coil, but if they're as similar as the Float X2 and DHX2, the DHX2 and Super Deluxe Coil should have more or less the same differences as shown in the video, besides the air spring differences of course.

@EthanAdey

3 жыл бұрын

“Fox absorbs and Rockshox just bounces around” -Remy

@wumbobo

3 жыл бұрын

@@EthanAdey Remy Gauvin or Metailler?

@EthanAdey

3 жыл бұрын

@@wumbobo different one, my friend with 51 subscribers

Agree with your assessment. I do find the X2 to offer better pedaling support in the open mode. One of the better things about the Rockshox is that is easier to perform some basic maintenance at home, which makes it more affordable to own.

I don't even have a rear shock. why am I watching this lol

@LeadMunitions

3 жыл бұрын

Sean shocking😂

@wheeliemadness6907

3 жыл бұрын

Because you poor

@masonsmucker4745

3 жыл бұрын

Same feels bad😅

@minekid4624

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@andreakeli5649

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

You almost sounded like a biker Linus for a second there...

Excellent review. It really covered all the bases

I already have the Float X2 of my Pivot Mach6 for my bike park runs and I love it.

Rockshox is a clear winner cause of the price

@thelongestnameinthecomment9677

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but fox has more adjustments I'm staying with rockshox tho Or ohlins if i was a dentist

@ricardog4459

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 why dentist? do dentists make a lot of money in the US? I've lived in several countries and mostly they make an average income, and sometimes they are even below average. to be honest, it is not too hard to do dentistry, i have a few friends that are dentists, it's like craftsmanship

@thelongestnameinthecomment9677

3 жыл бұрын

@@ricardog4459 in Canada dentists make on average 140k a year (i live in canada) in US it's around 180k a year (on average again of course) Dentists get more free time then normal doctors so that's why we say dentist They have the most free time with the most money made on average so people say they're dentists when they have really nice bikes even though they just ride for fun

@ricardog4459

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 ah I see. wow that's crazy money for something not thaaat hard to do or learn. not saying it is peanuts, but it's by no means rocket science. here in europe you pay around 80e for first visit, maybe 40-60 on a yearly check. In latin america it's half that or even less. but usually people pay that money themselves, there is no insurance for it. that's why it's not that expensive, otherwise people would only pay emergencies lol in any case, i think most guys can take a summer/winter job, save money 1 or 2 years, and buy quite a nice bike. Personally, I bought the frame new, and I am planning to buy all the components second handed. i did the reckoning and it's much cheaper. people sell the parts they upgrade for less than half here, and in very good state. but you need to be veeery patient, i hope i can finish the bike in a year... lol

dude your reviews are awesome and really well done! you missed nothing! Would sooo love to see you do your thing on that transition bike in the video! ;)

Love the fact I watch bike shocks so much even tho I only ride hardtails lol, but l’ll rather choose coil version of the fox float x2

Fantastic review brotha! Well done!....

Great video, very informative :)

My SB150 frame came with the X2. I can’t wait to build it and rip on it!!

I rode Fox suspension on a 2011 GT Sensor 1.0 for years and never had to touch it...no oil or air leaks, it just worked. My 2020 Revel Rascal came with Rockshox and it's been nothing but a PITA. The fork leaked oil in the first few months, had to have my LBS fix it, and now the "deluxe" shock is leaking air. I have to refill it every time I ride, and during the ride! Haven't even had the bike for a year. I'm 55 years old, not a downhill balls to the wall enduro rider. I'm switching to Fox and getting rid of this Rockshox crap. Love the Rascal, great bike!

I didn’t find setup of the X2 very difficult. Maxed out the air volume spacers because my bike has a regressive leverage curve, set the pressure to give me roughly 20% sag then set high/low speed compression/rebound knobs within the suggested range. Set high-speed rebound at the top of the suggested range (slower rebound) for jumping. Worked great for me and it was a huge performance improvement.

I really dig the videos. Always so informative. Have you done a video on how to install a larger Meg Neg can on the Rock Shox and what riders can benefit from it? That DaVinci is sweet. You always have nice bikes. Thanks for the detailed video. Happy Trails!

Excellent content dude; thanks!

I would also like to add that as a very light rider I have had experiences where more fine-tuning on a shock would be very beneficial to my riding. I have also heard this from multiple other very light riders. This might be something you want to take into account.

@hannes6114

2 жыл бұрын

what weight are we talking about?

@georgertheexplorer4114

2 жыл бұрын

@@hannes6114 about 140 with gear, but since I’m tall I ride larger frame bikes. The downhill bike I rode for a while had a shock with compression adjustment that I could only utilize the bottom 2 clicks of, since it came tuned for a larger rider.

@hannes6114

2 жыл бұрын

Ok, thanks

@AlejandroGarciaIglesias

2 жыл бұрын

I'm about 56 kg or 123 lbs and I've done some research on this and it seems quite correct. I can only ride my Deluxe Select+ at the fastest rebound, same for my Recon fork. I would like to have a couple more clicks to go faster, ie, the fastest rebound being faster than currently. Also, I use low pressures but I had to seg my sag at no more than 25% because I was bottoming it out a lot with more intense riding, and I feel suspension bobs a lot on pedalling as well. It may as well be the kinematics of the Polygon Siskiu D7, but I am currently looking forward to doing a custom tune on shock and fork to see if it improves.

@bartoszligeza4803

2 жыл бұрын

That's really helpful! Thanks

Either would be sick! Currently running 2018 Superdeluxe RC3 and absolutely love the shock. Feels like it’s 100% dailed after trying a few different volume spacer and pressure combos. Settled on 190psi with a 2.5 gnardog spacer. (6’3”, I weigh 185-190) felt like it was the best happy medium for both small bump/grip and pop/support but .....you know only the X2 can be 100%...... 🤣

Great video! I mean, what can I say..., Both shocks and thier comparable forks won the EWS Multiple times. They're both great 🤘

Comparison videos that actually help people make a decision 😍😍😍

The new tune on the super deluxe on the new 5010 is amazing. Both are great shocks though. Most people dont bother with tuning their shocks to fit their bikes and riding style/weight. If you already have a shock try having it properly serviced and tuned first before you buy a new one.

@owenlassiter4717

2 жыл бұрын

Got my 5010 a month ago and I can confirm. That pop he was talking about is game changing

@chory1827

Жыл бұрын

I dunno what tune means tbh. You set your damper to the trail wheteher its a downhill track or a blue trail, you set it differently.

I have the super deluxe on the DH commencal furious and it rides almost like a coil but the weight is nice. I did upgrade to the megneg and that really helped the ramp up. I do wish I could adjust the spacers trail side though like the x2.

Always love your videos Mike. Eagerly awaiting and order from you guys, which again, were parts you had that no one else did. How you liking that Devinci?

@TheLostCo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks for your order! We're doing our best to keep the shelves stocked with all the goodies during this craziness. I love the Devinci! It does everything very well and it's been my favorite bike of the past several years for sure.

Great vid as always.... love them😎. Can you do the same for the coil equivalents ??? Thanks and keep on.

Sweet vid Mike. Would have been interesting to see you talk about serviceability. X2 requires the damper to be disassembled to do a 50 hour air can service(send it in to fox/shop) where this is not the case with a DPX2 or super deluxe.

couldnt agree more with the conclusion. i currently have the super deluxe with the megneg installed in my 2021 enduro and it feels great but not that 100% amazing feeling of a float x2. considering an upgrade but it really isnt much between em!

I think the Meg Neg can is genius and a great tool to have available. I over-forked my bike and the Meg Neg helped get the rear have a softer initial stroke to balance the front changes. I would love a rockshox shock that omits the lockout for HSC adjustment. Rockshox has spoilt us with easy to use HSC on their fork cartridges and now it’s time to give us that on the rear of the bike. The deluxe rebound adjustments could use a few more clicks range. Perhaps 10-12 instead of the 7 clicks that mine has. I like that your review does point out how useful the Meg Neg can be changing the spring curve and midstroke support: a key advantage. Great videos guys! I watch all of them! Having said that, I have always lusted after the Fox X2 the most!

@TheLostCo

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, we're crossing our fingers that RockShox brings out a super adjustable shock sometime soon!!

Which is best for heavy rider? Thanks!

Cool stuff, what font did you use for FOX?

Hey Mike, how does the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil compare to the DHX2?

Is it possible to do this sort of comparison with coil shocks or just the coils? Specially with those progressive coils from MRP or Cane Creek. I really want one but there are no videos comparing either one of them.

I’ve always liked the K coating on high end Fox. It allows you to clearly see the stroke section for cleaning and maintenance/wear. Great enthusiastic review thanks. Doc

Best review !

How about a video with more details on the MegNeg & bikes suited for it?

I've had 4 Fox x2 and it's very good and had one Rockshox and its ok works ok if your not a fiddler for people don't understand how to get the best out of the suspension.

I think 97% of these people won’t even feel a difference like u do

@antoanangelov5672

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I mean like... tracktiony, poppy, consistend, complient, supportive, progresive, linier, responsive, stable, squishy, firm. Just tell me was it good or nah damn it.

@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_

3 жыл бұрын

99.99%

@markvincentcocjin

3 жыл бұрын

97% of what that guy feels is emotional. The rest is what's actually measurable.

@TheLostCo

3 жыл бұрын

Haha many people won't, however every time we make a more simplified comparison video then we get a million comments asking us why we don't get more into the techy nerdy side of the components. So it's tough to keep everyone happy but we try our best! 😎

@RiderP411

3 жыл бұрын

I do, I hate it when highest end suspension don't come with high speed ajustments, it's ridiculous super deluxe only has low speed compression.

Good Review!! RS is less complicated to setup for sure... Can I get a LOST Tshirt?

Can you do a review of the cane creek DB kitsuma air rear shock?🤘🏼

How much pressure are you running in your Tires with these Shocks Setup in this video? I´m seeing that you have a Assegai up front and Minion DHR in the back (not sure which casings). The Tires seem to absorb quite a lot.

Love my marzocchi hard to imagine an air fork after falling in love with a coil

@topspot4834

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah if a coil works for your riding/bike there's zero reason to ever go back. I use my enduro for a variety of applications so rely on adjustability.

@NS-zv9qf

3 жыл бұрын

Now in love with air - I guess it is all good

Would you a comparison between the dhx2 and the vivid rc2 and cane creewk double barrel coil?

Do a comparison on the Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil as well! Or maybe individual reviews of each?

Right now I have a Super Deluxe Select+ and I'm pretty sure at 245 riding weight im outside the compression tune. Im thinking about grabbing a take-off Float X2 from an ebike or something to get a firmer compression tune and more adjustability.

Can I add the meg neg to my super deluxe select

Do you run the same pressure in both?

The last few float x2 iterations have been blowing out for so many people it’s crazy

@TheLostCo

2 ай бұрын

MY21-23 did have durability issues which have since been fixed with a big revision in MY24 and MY25 shocks. The MY24/25 shocks have been incredibly reliable 🤘

Hows that small bump absorption/traction on the RSSD w/ that $90 MegNeg upgrade? It's still cheaper than an X2 at that point.

I LOVE my x2

I have a '20 Scout with a '20 X2 and after months of not being able to get the suspension feeling good, I decided to just try setting the HSC and LSC fully opened and then fully closed. I noticed no difference at all. This also coincides with not noticing any difference with the climb switch. I sent it in to Fox who determined there was a problem with the shock and replaced both the compression and rebound circuits. When I got the shock back I noticed that the rebound had way more adjustability to it, but the compression feels the same, no difference from fully opened to fully closed. I contacted fox again and they said they put it on the dyno and determined the compression was fixed and noticed a difference in the settings. Im kind of at a loss here bc no matter what changes I make the shock feels mushly and seems to blow through its travel. For all the X2 owners at there - have you ever tried going from fully opened to fully closed and if so, can you tell a difference? Im trying to determine if this is by design or the shock is still actually bad

@mikes.8305

3 жыл бұрын

Ouch. Yes even a few clicks makes a massive difference with rebound. For LSC it would make a huge difference in traction and feel. Sounds like your sag point may not be dialed? Have you tried adding the orange volume reducers in the shock? You can probably do it with the shock installed on the bike.

@atom631

3 жыл бұрын

Mike S. My sag is within the acceptable range that Transition lists. I’ve tried at the bottom end and the top end of the range too. no change in compression. It’s always the same no matter fully open or closed

@mikes.8305

3 жыл бұрын

atom631 Sounds broke to me. HSC should help with bottom out support, but most often bottom out control is done through spacers in the shock. Just load them up if they aren’t already. Honestly though you probably are on to something. If I turn the compression dials all the way it completely changes the feel of the shock and is immediately noticeable. Good luck

@TylerWolstie

3 жыл бұрын

There is a huge difference between compression open and closed. Even between fully open and half closed I could notice a huge difference with mine

@atom631

3 жыл бұрын

Tyler Wolstenholme you have a 2020 X2? There has to be something wrong with my shock. I’ve let a few people do the test on it any everyone agrees. But fox is saying there’s nothing wrong

would be rad is you showed us your settings for both shocks , for your weight and riding area.. another rad video anyways !!!

Dnm rcp2 would still be a better value imo. A nice entry level coil shock that doesnt require that finicky maintenance and still offers decent performance. With both compression and rebound adjustments (aside from swapping the coil ofc)

Which damper is better suited for heavy people (approx. 120kg)?

Fox love the look of it and obviously want that %100 perfect for racing

I would have to go with the X2 nothing wrong with Rock Shox but l have found in the past RS seem to blow through the travel far to quick were as the Fox kit seems to over a lot more support

I have the Rockshok Deluxe on my Santa Cruz Hightower 2021, but I’m putting the Meg neg on it as soon as I get it. Also thinking of purchasing the cascade assembly linkage. What do you think of this linkage; have you tried it? And do you sell it?

@3dsmackdown

3 жыл бұрын

Santa Cruz spend millions on R@D on there suspension alone, putting that thing on it would probably just give you more travel and thats it! If you want that little extra travel IMHO go for it, but for me that explanation from Cascade about what there linkage can do for you and your bike, is worth as much as their explanation of what does not do ... Did my home work and just decided to go megneg, I am putting one on as I write this. In a nut shell, my 2 cent opinion is that, it is wiser to upgrade my shock than spend $350 (shipped cascade) for a linkage that may or may not do anything for me.

Cane Creek Double Barrel Air or coil. I run the coil version when I'm riding in southern Utah, and the air version when riding in northern Utah. Mainly just to save weight.

Well said Mike.,thumbs up.,👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

Can you do a tuning video on the DPX2?

I had the super deluxe with a MegNeg on my old bike and wasn’t the biggest fan. I have a factory X2 on my current bike and it’s dope!

I’m probably in the category that likes to set up quickly with less mucking about , probably why I favour super deluxe with megneg, 2 or 3 rides and I’ve got it running sweet

I'm 280lbs and a fox customer service rep recommended the 2022 Float X2, I'd like to ask then would the Super Deluxe Ultimate work as well for my weight? I'm using a 2021 GT Sensor sport.

Ivgot both.. On the dh canyon the fox.. On the yt decoy the ultimate. And I like both. And it is all true what he said! Fox sometimes complicated till u found ur set up.. Rs so easy smooth, poppy and good

Do you guys carry the Super Deluxe Ultimate shock with Stumpjumper 2019 tune? I’m a big rider. 250lbs. Which one of these shocks would I need?

I run the rockshox and i love it.

Wonder which norco i should by, is the rochshox more poppy, then i know.

I got a factory X2 on my second hand ripmo frame, REALLY not looking forward to tuning it, only had rockshox till now and apart from the reliability issues ive enjoyed the easy setup and adjustments.

Can either of these be used on a 2016 Santa Cruz Hightower?

How big is the difference to Float DPS? (Other than 2x price tag) Sometimes it feels the slightly lower end models are better for some beginners. One compression knob and one rebound knob.

@Fabiodlvg

3 жыл бұрын

The Dps is meant for trail riding and it comes in shorter travel and has less compression and rebound adjustability while the X2 is made for enduro or downhill riding so it comes in longer travel versions and it is more tunable with 16 clicks of low speed compression and rebound and 8 clicks of high speed compression and rebound. The X2 is better for big hits and rough trails

@skullsroad3642

3 жыл бұрын

I went from a DPS to and X2 on a 160mm travel bike. And I think that's where people will feel the difference. On a shorter travel bike, maybe not so much. The X2 was instantly much more supple and smooth, and of course, can take a hit.

SDU tune on my Tallboy 4 feels great

Why is the trunnion x2 wider than the non trunnion

After owning & riding both I prefer the x2

What's the difference between the 2020 and 2021 Fox X2?

Do a review on the dhx2 and super deluxe coil

Just take the time to learn suspension. Know what HSR,LSR,HSC,LSC and sag does. Keep a log book with all your settings and location, then write in a brief description of your ride as soon as your finished. You’ll be amazed at how much of a difference it makes when you actually know what your suspension is doing and how to correct it vs guessing.

When we buy a bike, there are factory settings in the shock. In after market, how do you do to find these settings in order to be sure your new shock will be good for your bike? Thanks in advance for your answer !

@huntergibson9359

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know about rockshox but with fox most bikes have a tune for it, you can look up that tune code on the Fox website.

My 2 cents. If your buying a new shock get the float x2 (unless it’s just too far out of budget) as it can become any shock and it’s damping curves can be tuned to whatever you like. If your bike came with an X2 then your already good to go. The third scenario is the one I don’t understand is people who’s bikes come with the Super Deluxe and they don’t like it then go and buy a Float X2. There are some traits in the super deluxe that just can not be externally tuned out such as it’s digressive compression damping curve and this is where you send it to people like Vorsprung and now it is tuned as your shock for you and what your after. This is a much cheaper option and the end result is very good.

Is there a non-Kashima Coat version of the Float X2?

I have the super deluxe (not ultimate) with the meg neg. I hated that shock at first, but the meg neg made such a difference that I actually enjoy how the shock feels now.

@trailladymtb7700

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mind me asking... Was it hard to swap out the can?

@wplno1

3 жыл бұрын

Megneg even made my normal deluxe feel good under the weight of a levo. Not hard to fit at all either.

@kandem01

3 жыл бұрын

@@trailladymtb7700 very easy to install, although I didn't have a press to push out the bushings, a soft mallet hammer worked good for me. Had to remove the bushing in the lower to allow the air can to be removed.

What I’m getting is a remedy 8 which comes with the super delux and I think I’ll stick with it after watch this video

what you think about Rock Shox Super Deluxe Select, DebonAir?

Some people love the fox look and coating. Thats the reason to lose cash for coolness, they think. So more money payed will let em ride better ^^ my winner since years is the performance of my super deluxe 3 positions shock!

Great comparison!...I'm running the Fox Float X2 on my Giant Reign but was comparing it the the RockShox Super Deluxe Select on the Santa Cruz Hightower. Nice to know that it looks like I've got a more adjustable shock. Thanks!

I have 2018 X2 and love it but I feel like the firm lever might not be working right. The lever fully on is more in between a trail setting and open than actually firm but I haven't been able to try another X2 to test it out that way. Do your firm lever work on the last generation X2s?

@vomErsten

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a lock-out. I have a 2019 X2, and in full firm is still a bit squishy. It is, however, a huge deal less squishy than running full open.

@seanwalsh3052

3 жыл бұрын

@@vomErsten thanks!

Can the "custom tunes" be done at home or do they need to be done by the manufacturer?

@policies8534

3 жыл бұрын

Jody Wiebe if you’re a professional MTB mechanic

Could you also talk about DVO suspension?

@geopietro

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. It would be nice to see reviews of other vendors besides the big boys. Lots of small companies with great products but lack the marketing budget to compensate internet influencers. The DVO Topaz is a great rear shock. Also, how about 1UpUSA as the best bike rack but because they are 100% consumer direct, no bike shop of online store will promote them.

@TCENDURO

3 жыл бұрын

John Panozzo dude what an amazing point about 1up. Also he should do ride formula suspension also. I recently just signed with DVO suspension and I’m enjoying every moment of it!

@adamharris2674

3 жыл бұрын

@@TCENDURO but every review you see the “big boys” almost always come out on top. And no I don’t think reviewers get paid off by the big boys either.

Even before watching the review, Rochshox FOR SURE. The X2 has a known flaw that lets air mix with oil at a very early stage, sometimes with as little as a month or less of use. Fox is finally repairing some under warranty but for the longest, they would not admit fault. This is like the RockShox Reverb seat post, nothing but a glorified paper weight.

@suney20

Жыл бұрын

Mine has cavitation too. Have you got written proof of waft fox gas said? My local are saying it’s just wear n tear and I needed a service anyway so would be nice to have some office documentation to show them

I run Factory 38's and Factory X2. Best I have ever ridden.

@TheLostCo

Жыл бұрын

Heck yea man that's some top of the line suspension! Keep it feeling buttery smooth out there 😎

Black X2 without extra adjustments👍

whats your fox x2 setting?

You should do the dhx2 vs super deluxe ultimate coil

I think it's kinda weird that nobody ever talks about maintanance of these things. A full service on a RockShox shock is super easy and you can get all the replacements parts, while with Fox you're having a hard time getting them. Furthermore RS replacement seals etc. i a third of the price when compared to fox. Im Riding a super deluxe simply because I can do a full service in no time just with a couple of tools, that i have in the back of my car. With Fox you almost always have to send it in - These days you're lucky if you get it back within 6 weeks.

i was actually interested in buying a shock until I heard the price and then I had to have a conversation with my wallet and agreed to not buy a shock

@hitcho5812

3 жыл бұрын

get a marzocchi bomber cr coil. they sooo good and cheap

I guess I need the fox float because I want "my rear end to feel 100% perfect" 😂

Rockshox Super Deluxe LLC1 and LL1 what is the difference ?

Be nice if i had a choice, i have a 2018 hightower and its shock size is from what i can tell still imperial cause i can find perfect matches in imperial sizing but no one makes a 200x51😂 just fox shocks for me then

I love my X2

They’re both rad but I like the poppier nature of the RS.

Reminds me so much of Wayne's world 😂😂 ride on dude 🤘🤘