I strongly relate to the experience of the man who, after receiving forgiveness for the worst sins, can’t imagine such forgiveness not being poured out on the rest of mankind. All Glory to God!!

Man's freewill is nothing compared to God's will for us. A man's heart devises his way, but the Lord directs his steps.

My rethinking of the eschatology I was brought up with in the Lutheran context in Finland, accelerated during a time when a number of loved ones around me passed away, many who weren’t confessing Christians, but extremely dear to me. At the same time I struggled to communicate my faith to my teenage sons, wanting to be transparent and open so that they would understand me. Their questions became my questions and led me to rethink so much...violence, the concept of salvation, hell and creation. I am truly grateful for your work Dr Parry, thank you so much for posting your talks here on your KZread channel!

May God bless Robin's ministry 😃 I have found that Christian Universalism has brought me both peace of mind and encouragement of spirit !

I came back to this video after some responses I got when I suggested God *could* save all... Thank you, Robin, for what you do.

my journey began after my friend took his life and my wife’s grandmother was battling cancer. Neither of which were “believers”. I’d had a host of apologetic defenses of hell I’d stored of over all the years - which I’d shared many times over. But suddenly I found all of those defenses tone-deaf... when I got into the greek word for “everlasting” and sort of opened to the door to even thinking more about it. Grateful for your work

@frankmercurio

Жыл бұрын

Could you please elaborate on that Greek word, I believe it’s “aionion” how can we really know what it means? I believe it’s used to describe God as being eternal so I just get confused because some places seem to be more clear that it’s referring to eternality compared to others, even though the word is the same

@nathanaelink

Жыл бұрын

@@frankmercurio yeah it seems “aionios” means something more like “age” rather than eternity. Greek translations of the OT use it sometimes when referring the time between two kings. Also I believe an early version of the nicene creed used it but then replaced it for clarification when it was getting mistranslated/misunderstood in latin translations.

@frankmercurio

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanaelink I see, I am not necessarily 100% convinced of universalism, the reason why I thought of it & started watching videos was because I have been a Calvinist for two years & a Christian for over three years who always took my faith seriously & I just began experiencing crippling anxiety for my loved ones thinking of them in hell. It is my hope that universalism is true but it makes me wonder that if such well educated theologians who know Greek see the text as demonstrating hell as eternal, then how could my understanding be correct if I embrace universalism

@nathanaelink

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@@frankmercurio many well educated theologians who understand the greek think that “eternal” means “age” is I think my point. When asked how long hell will exist, if it’s not eternal, I sometimes say “as long as it takes.” My friend who died from depression and actively hated God, I sometimes imagine when I meet him on the new earth that he will remake how awful and endless hell seemed to him, but that in the end he was grateful for his time there. I don’t think hell is torture. Brimstone is also use in the purification process of certain metals. it’s useful to consider that all theologians are also humans like us and will almost always have a special interest area. No one person can every give each issue ALL of their attention and consideration. I think this is important to consider in our own lives as well as it changes the way we give grace to scholars and ourselves alike. I like the line from a song “the sweetest thing I’ve ever heard is that i don’t have to have all the answers” and I know it’s a little cheesy, but in the tapestry of the particular song the line always reaches me. I think it’s worth it to seek out theologians who have a sort of pet issue that they tend to obsess over. And if a scholars identifies as just be a defender of a certain denomination (ie william lane craig) is worth baring in mind that at the end of the day that is their goal. For some curious folks, they just want to understand a specific issue rather than defend any certain position on it. I’m thinking here of eleonore stump’s work on the atonement which I highly recommend. And, in my experience, MANY scholars who spend their time and attention simply on the matter of hell all seem to agree that the language around hell in no way implies our modern sense of eternality. Now, you may think that we should “read the bible as a whole” but it’s worth pointing out that this too is a doctrine/assumption we impose onto the text. Ie the doctrine of univocality. Which imo is indefensible for anything within the text itself. I do think the bible speaks with many voices. Which means my focus should be on specific tops and specific authors voices, opinions, agendas, and point - all while affirming that they were inspired by God. (I affirm that, though I’d deny many versions of inerrancy I think). Peter Enns points out that perhaps God teaches us about Himself THROUGH our experiences AND the scripture. And that perhaps that’s what it means to live an embodied faith. It means that if your life experiences are challenging a belief or doctrine you once held dearly, then we can practice trust that as we explore that tension God remains faithful no matter what we find on the other side. I have a real need for clarity in my own life, and I really don’t think anyone wants to believe a “happy lie” either. Most people, particularly scholars, also want to conduct their research with integrity. Richard Friedman recently put an entire college course of lectures on the hebrew bible here on youtube and it’s absolutely incredible and refreshing to me. The way he maintains humility and honest about issues while also clearly demonstrating his expertise is just so nice to see. Anyway.. those are just some thoughts 😅

@henrieecen2938

11 ай бұрын

Nathan Eastern Orthodox have remained true to Apokatastasis since the early beginnings of Christianity as an institution. Take note that in the Nycean creed, the first attempt of formalizing our articles of faith, there is mention of judgement but no mention of hell and everlasting torment etc. Being such an important issue of the consequence of not believing, why was it not included? There is so much more I could say but better that you investigate this important issue yourself. Personally by reading scripture myself I came to universal restoration of ALL creation myself. Later watching U.Tube I came across so many others with same convictions. Brad Jerzak ex Protestant Pastor now Eastern Orthodox. Paul Young author of The Shack. Richard Rohr Franciscan Catholic. Anglican Robin Barry. David Perez of Spero Dei ministries and the list goes on and on. But mind you discern the spirit of what the big guns of the Protestant clerical fraternity are calling them. Heretics! Jesus experienced similar from the legalistic Pharisees. But today at least they don't stone crucify or burn at stake anymore.😊 Blessings as you follow your true heart centred in Christ. Shalom❤️

Excellent. Thank you Robin Parry.

Thank you, Dr. Parry.

Fascinating video - many thanks for your wisdom. Blessings.

Big thanks, Robin. Lots of joy listening to you. Praise the LORD. Having trouble with Christians all my life. Regards from South-West Germany.

Thanks Robin. You added a new concept for me to ponder. If Gods wrath was poured out on Jesus for our sins, to then pour more wrath out on sinners who die is perhaps akin to double jeopardy. We do not allow this in the courts of men. Would not the courts of Heaven more just than that of men? Food for thought, as they say.....in another vein, your elucidation of First Fruits and the ramifications of this God ordained principle at the Sanctuary in Colorado is again a major leap in the broadening of my understanding towards the word of God. May God continue to enlighten your mind and spirit for the edification of His children!! Awe-inspiring.......

This doctrine has helped me to make a return to the church and re-ignited my calling to ministry. I was raised in the Pentecostal tradition and considered myself an Evangelical Pentecostal. I moved to the United Methodist Church as and served as a clergyperson since 1984. I was shoved out of the United Methodist Church over conflicts related to their views of human sexuality and ministry. I left the church altogether for many years, thinking there was no place for me to belong. I guess it became a point of beginning my faith's deconstruction of a sort over those years that left me part of the spiritual but not religious. A I deconstructed, I served a UU congregation and served as a chaplain in a prison for several years. I have reached a place where I am basically writing my new Credo to lay out what I believe and, more importantly, the reasons for my beliefs. At this point, I am at the place of reconstruction of my faith. Now I am looking for a way to serve and share what I have learned as a result of this journey. I have no doubts that there are many others out there who need to be affirmed in their journey and beliefs. They are the burgeoning Universalists that need one another.

A very helpful, well-structured presentation. Thank you very much for it.

@DDCaldwellnot1lost

3 жыл бұрын

Very convincing, Thank You 👍😎🙌✝️🕊

I believe in all restore to God

Brilliant!! Thank you.

If it is Christ who lives in us when we love, and we are supposed to love everyone, then that means Christ loves everyone.

Common sense comes from God him-self, especially when it comes to his own work and creation.

With all respect and spiritual relief, I believe in the Holy Trinity's power to save all. My question is why was Jesus sacrificed on the cross? Was this to be the prototype of the resurrection and new birth? Thank you. God be praised!

@robinparry6774

Ай бұрын

He died so that he could rise, thereby transforming death from the end of the road into the doorway to the life of God. (Sorry it is such a short reply.) But if you wish to understand the metaphor of sacrifice in particular, then I recommend Andrew Rillera's book "Lamb of the Free."

:the most Holy Trinity... " i thought de Benneville was a unitarian?

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1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

The world had the Kingdom of God in Jesus and killed him. What could be a greater hell than to hold such wrath toward the perfect Incarnation of your Creator that you would want Him dead? Such thinking is by it's very nature a hellish self-idolatry; so blinded to self worship that it despises the One Who offers healing from that hell. I would love to believe that all might one day cherish communion with our Creator God, but that would require me to believe that there is something lacking in what Christ has already revealed to the world. Scripture, most of tradition, and reason grounded in experience have not given me reason to believe that freedom to hate God will cease. God allowed the hell of cruciform rebellion to flourish even as Christ forgave those who killed Him. The love of God won on the day of the crucifixion, and the wrath of humanity existed alongside God's victory. His love was not extinguished by hatred, but hatred was not ended in the face of His eternal love.

@artbyrobot1

2 жыл бұрын

For all to come to God doesn't require freedom to hate God to cease at all. It merely requires the impossibility of any man or angel to choose by their own free will to hate God unceasingly. After all, God is love and is just - what is there to hate? The hatred is founded in misunderstanding and false assumptions. Given long enough to ponder things, anyone would come to the conclusion that hating God is a losing and erroneous posture and everyone will repent after they come to this very conclusion, turning wholly to God and realizing their own folly. God of course can help them in this journey with little clues and hints and nudges to help them to see what they are blinded to thus far. Nobody who believes in ultimate reconciliation is positing that God will remove free will and press a button on the back of their necks forcing them to love Him. You alone are suggesting that as a strawman argument.

@Cocomelon_baby-gr4qg

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the dialogue here. I disagree that it is a straw man argument above. The first comment seems to affirm the “hopeful” universal reconciliation position, as I think of it, rather than a more certain or dogmatic position. I consider myself in the “hopeful” camp currently. I read scripture, in particular its description of the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21-22, as suggesting that while God’s loving invitation will remain open, we will still be free to reject and some will do so. God has stated that His Will is that all will be saved, and the question is whether God gets what he wants in the end. I’m not convinced that scripture definitively answers that question. But I’m praying on it and continuing to seek God’s guidance on that point. Mr. Parry’s work is quite helpful in this regard.