'What harm could Lyanna Stark's ghost do to either of us?' It's called Jon Snow.

@andresantos3487

5 жыл бұрын

@★ Froggie Animation ★ what he meant was that Jon Snow was the rightful heir to the throne

@heyheyheyheyheyhey76

5 жыл бұрын

Even in the grave, scenes like this are the living proof of the absolute misery Lyanna and Rhaegar's behaviour and selfishness endowed to so many other lives. They messed with nearly everyone. Robert, Elia and her family, Lyanna got her own father and brother killed, and the sacrifices she forced Ned to live with.

@RuchiraRambles

5 жыл бұрын

@@heyheyheyheyheyhey76 Would you say Robb Stark and Talisa were selfish or would you say the Freys were absolute dipshits who broke guest-right and oaths to their overlords because the Lannisters paid more? Because Robb and Lyanna essentially did the same thing, broke a betrothal for which the medieval custom was to make financial reparation to the injured side. Lyanna was an idea for Robert. She didn't love him because he was already whoring around. I don't think Robert knew Lyanna that well. She was an idea for him- pretty, his bestfriend's sister. In his head he thinks about Cersei's sharpness and thinks he would have been happier with Lyanna, but she wouldn't have been a pliant submissive wife either. Remember Ned compares Arya to her aunt. Lyanna Stark was no lady, she was the Knight of the Laughing Tree & she was disillusioned with Robert's playboy ways. Yes, even before Lyanna dies, Robert was whoring around. When Catelyn goes to the Vale, she meets one of his bastards there. The war happened because Aerys was mad. If he was sane, he would have made reparations to the Baratheon house for a broken betrothal- there are precedents of this in Targaryen history when the children of Jaeherys broke the engagements he made for them - Baratheon was one of the houses- and the king paid them to make up for the insult. So Lyanna & Rhaegar might have Robb Stark level impulsive, but I don't see anyone call Robb selfish the way they call Lyanna selfish. The war happened because Aerys burned Torrhen and Brandon and asked for the heads of Robert & Ned from Jon Arryn who was fostering them in the vale. Yes, Robert was sitting in the Vale after Lyanna was 'taken' and rebelled only after Aerys asked for his head. Stop blaming war on them.

@nostaligctraveler3736

5 жыл бұрын

@@RuchiraRambles Would you say Robb Stark and Talisa were selfish?? Yes, completelly, he was an ashole too, if i was one of his soldiers and i had to watch my whole family die only because the man i followed broke his promise, i would be very angry... He could have married to that girls and then going through divorce ONCE EVERYTHING HAD HAPPENED... he could even keep fucking Talisa in secret, but he did the only thing he didn´t had to do, breaking that promise... We don´t know how Robert would have been if he had married with Lyanna, maybe he would have stopped whoring, maybe not, maybe he wouldn´t be a drunk fat ass, maybe he would have been anyway, but we don´t know that... And tecnically, yes, the war started because of king Aerys and because he didn´t handled things right, but if Lyanna and Rhaegar hadn´t escaped, the war wouldn´t started... So tecnically, they are in a way responsable for the war (even though anyone would have reblled to Aerys later, that was a matter of time)...

@hdaNhun

5 жыл бұрын

Too bad he dun whun ih

Robert admitting he can’t even remember what Lyanna Stark looks like is the second saddest part of this entire series. The saddest part is she didn’t even love him.

@angelikacalangi5820

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that he didn't remember what she looked like meant that he never loved her AT ALL.

@darthkenobi6726

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelikacalangi5820 That's not true, his abuse of alcohol and depression could've been what made his mind foggy enough to forget her face.

@Mors_Umber

2 жыл бұрын

Robert "wanted" her. He idealised her. He also wanted her because it'd bring him closer to Ned, a brother he never had. She'd tie Ned to him. Robert wasn't a fan of his own brothers. He tried to join his house to Ned's again when in the crypts he suggested they should marry their children and join their families. Robert never really knew Lyanna, so it's safe to say he didn't actually love her. Just the idea of her. It was more about the wants. That being said, sometimes I see people saying Robert wasn't a good guy and Lyanna deserved someone better like "Rhaegar." And that Lyanna told Ned at some point that Robert would never stop whoring and be unfaithful to her. Yes, Robert was very flawed but the guy she chose over him was the embodiment of scum. Left his children and wife for another woman so what Lyanna told Ned is pretty hypocritical and backfires.

@eingrica3270

2 жыл бұрын

No, the saddest part is that Robert was so in love with the idea of a woman he barely knew that he couldn't even entertain the idea of loving the woman he took as his wife.

@darthkenobi6726

2 жыл бұрын

@@eingrica3270 Why should he have fallen in love with a woman he never wanted to marry in the first place? It was political, nothing more.

Someone took her away from me, and seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind. Man that gave me tears.

@colourfulclouds

5 жыл бұрын

I lost the most important woman in my life, when it gets too much I watch this scene everytime. I feel Roberts pain one hundred percent!

@TangibleNought

5 жыл бұрын

Robert was betrothed to her, but she preferred Rhaegar, while Rhaegar, betrothed to Elia Martell, preferred Lyanna. Bitterness drove an outlandish lie that he kidnapped and raped her, and thus a rebellion that unseated the Targaryens and replaced a madman with a drunk and tyrant (Tywin) on his shoulder. If Rhaegar had lived and taken the throne from his father (as was likely planned), Westeros wouldn't have gone down the shitter.

@heyheyheyheyheyhey76

5 жыл бұрын

She definitely hated him LONG before this, but this is definitely the moment that Cersei wasn't having it anymore with Robert. Hearing his lament for a woman that's been dead for years made her snap. Even in her grave, Lyanna Stark's lies and selfishness messed with the lives of so many other characters. The misery she inflicted onto Ned's life, Elia's family, Robert, you can go on and on.

@beakerthefrog

5 жыл бұрын

“How much of our earth has been wet by blood because of jealousy! And at the end of life, what does it all matter? We grow old and the young look at us and can never see that once we made a kingdom ring for love.” -Bernard Cornwell, The Winter King

@nostaligctraveler3736

5 жыл бұрын

@TheNorth Remembers Well, im not really sure, but she was betrothed to him, to the man that almost every girl in the seven kingdoms wanted, and i understand that she didnt love him, so she, aware of her duty, choosed to ignore it, and because of that, her father and her brother died, Elia Martel and her whole family went through horrible things, thousands died after, and Ned had to live with sacrifice because of it.

How are the writers no longer capable of writing dialogue like this? This wasn't even in the books and it's amazing.

@cait812

4 жыл бұрын

They were always good at small scenes and characters. Arya and Tywin are a good example of that. They're bad at plotting and pulling things together and conclusions.

@mizusecond

4 жыл бұрын

george rr martin probably wrote it. i refuse to believe these two guys can come up a good line.

@Xavieus

4 жыл бұрын

What ? Yeah you’re one of those Game of Thrones apologists that defend the men who destroyed an almost decade long series in a matter of a few hours of episodes. The men who denied more episodes/seasons because they got bored of it. Look up what they said at the Austin film festival. You can’t defend this shit.

@adamhughes4387

3 жыл бұрын

@Abdulla Madjoub No I'd say they're good showrunners and good at small character driven scenes. Writing a season long plot is beyond them when they don't have source material to draw from (although they did also shoot themselves in the foot with the some of the material they did have)

@LegionIvory

3 жыл бұрын

Because it was George R. R. Martin's writing they were utilizing. They are incapable of doing anything on their own.

The saddest thing about Robert is that he didn't *really* love Lyanna. He was in love with the idea of Lyanna. Robert barely even knew her. Canonically, he met her once before they were betrothed and even that one time he barely spent any time getting to know her. For him, she was just a construct of everything he idealized in a wife, and a way to make his best friend and the only man he ever truly cared about (Ned) his brother by marriage. He kept telling himself he loved her until he believed it, because it was an easy way for him to explain away his own vices and faults. He's a drunk because he lost the love of his life. He's unfaithful because Cersei can never live up to Lyanna. He skirts his duty as king because becoming king meant nothing when he lost Lyanna. For Robert, subconsciously, his attachment to Lyanna Stark was a red herring to explain away all his deeply rooted problems and skirt his own failings as a king, a husband, and a person. He's really just a sad, miserable man who misses his best friend and stumbled into a kingship he never really wanted. Blaming it all on love lost is just a comfortable lie that he's spent so long telling others that he's begun to believe it himself.

@xzukax3882

2 жыл бұрын

Are you a psychologist or just a good observador?

@justyna5683

2 жыл бұрын

@@xzukax3882 just a really true, deep fan

@suburbansadboy9668

2 жыл бұрын

Oooh that is GOOD. Write a book!

@karishmachaudhary9953

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please write a book!

@EvilA110

2 жыл бұрын

Really wish I could see more comments like this under GOT videos instead of the 1 million “Season 8 bad” comments I usually find.

Although I do hate Cersei (and everyone knows she deserves a lot of hatred) I can't help but feel the tiniest pang of empathy for her here. She never even had a chance for a happy marriage because her husband was still in love with a ghost.

@demigod5219

9 жыл бұрын

while she was in love with her brother jaime? she never gave king robert any children (on purpose) he may have slept with other women openly but she was secretly having sex with her brother even after she married the king you think if he had been faithful and not continue to love lyanna cersei wouldve been a good wife to him? i think not...

@Drisina7

9 жыл бұрын

SuperGiantRobot Rocket Well when Cersei had that conversation with Ned about "playing the game of thrones", Cersei said at some point about Robert that "Every girl in the Seven Kingdoms dreamed of him, but he was mine by oath.And when I finally saw him on our wedding day in the Sept of Baelor, lean and fierce and black-bearded, it was the happiest moment of my life." So I guess maybe at some point she would have gave up on Jamie, she even says in this scene that she once loved Robert/had feelings for him. So maybe, but just maybe, if they would have had a healthy relationship Jamie would have disappeared from the picture for her.

@thesuntrider

9 жыл бұрын

Drisina7 She slept with Jaime on the wedding night...

@Drisina7

9 жыл бұрын

thesuntrider Yes, but I am saying that maybe afterwards she would have been capable of giving up on Jamie... not in the instant they got married, but afterwards, if they would have had a healthy relationship.

@JustBalazs

9 жыл бұрын

This love story is very interesting, actually. Cersei loved Rhaegar. Robert loved Lyanna. But Rhaegar wanted Lyanna, and Cersei had to marry with the one who killed Rhaegar. Goddam GRRM...

these scenes are like therapy for me after the shitshow we got with season 8.

@icedoutelite

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah when George r r Martin was helping with the writing and dialogue before he left the series, these were some amazing scenes

@heyheyheyheyheyhey76

5 жыл бұрын

In ways Robert Baratheon reminds me of Gaston from Beauty and the Beast... Loud, a temper, obsessed with looks, a hedonistic lifestyle and were so obsessed with woman that they only wanted for their beauty, didn't see the personality underneath and their obsession ultimately led to their own downfall.

@darmocat

4 жыл бұрын

Right? Back when the dialogue was powerful and not full of dick jokes. Fuck season 8.

@G5Nvm

4 жыл бұрын

@@smileandnodd For real. Anyone who doesn't admit the shit show that was season 7-8, isn't an actual enthusiast of the universe. It was some of the worst television I've ever watched, and it was so painful how they butchered the master piece that could've been. I'll never forget or forgive how the piece of shit show writers ditched this show and rushed the ending so they could run off and write for Star Wars

@fishels3895

3 жыл бұрын

@@G5Nvm even season 5 and 6 are downgraded compared to the first 4 seasons. S7 and 8 are like a parody of the show

One of my favorite scenes of the entire series. Gives you just the faintest idea that if circumstances had been different, these two could have made a decent couple. I also like that Robert doesn't come across as a blithering idiot. I simply think that once Lyanna was gone, he lost all purpose in life, stopped giving a single damn about anything, and just let himself go.

@VeggieGamer

8 жыл бұрын

So glad someone else sees this as one of the best scenes. Most people I talk to don't even remember it.

@LondonDisperses

7 жыл бұрын

+Veggie Gamer I agree, this is one of my favorite scenes. It shows how Cersei became the way she is, dejected and somewhat aloof. And it's one of King Robert's most serious scenes - as the other commenter said, he doesn't come across as a drunk and a flippant leader. Definitely an under rated scene.

@Demos_Jeff

7 жыл бұрын

I must have missed this scene and it really gives a new light to their relationship. I used to think she just killed their baby because she always hated Robert but it turns out she was really sad about it. She wouldn't give up the baby's body. Giant strong young Robert had to hold her while another 3 men pried it from her. Really heartbreaking. I can see why she is so protective over Joffrey and Tommen now.

@Valhallen002

7 жыл бұрын

Robert was a soldier. He was strong, tactical, and had enormous character, but he was definitely not cut out for leading an entire country.

@kima4340

6 жыл бұрын

she was hopeful when she married Robert though she had expected that her crush Rhaegar was the king she would marry but young Robert was handsome, strong, manly and women loved him..and when they married she admitted it was the happiest moment of her life.. and she did feel for him once and the death of their son was a blow to her heart

"Was it ever possible for us? Was there ever a time, ever a moment?" "No." The feels. The acting between the two is powerful.

@EyebrowsGaming

7 жыл бұрын

Robert looks genuinely sad about giving that answer. Not sorry, but sad that it's true.

@Dunkingsonn

5 жыл бұрын

@@EyebrowsGaming In a rather forced marriage between two people who'd rather not have it at all, it probably sucks knowing it makes the other person's life as miserable as yours.

@heyheyheyheyheyhey76

5 жыл бұрын

Isn't this scene such proof that even in her grave, the shit and misery Lyanna Stark has caused to so many other lives because of her own reckless selfish behaviour is real. The lies Lyanna told took a brunt on the lives of Ned and Catelyn, both Cersei and Robert as well as Elia and her family.

@guldronrendar7688

5 жыл бұрын

It sucks also at the end when Robert refills his cup to drown out whatever pain.

@jeremymendoza1465

5 жыл бұрын

@@heyheyheyheyheyhey76 Like Helen in Troy

When Robert asks her, "Does that make you feel better or worse?" I think that Cersei's real answer inside her soul is "Better. I won't feel so bad about killing you now."

@kerrid5717

6 жыл бұрын

HelotOnWheels I think she meant what she said about feeling nothing. So she felt no remorse when she killed him, she wasn't relieved or guilty but out lioness feels nothing

@EIizabethGrace

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought she was lying about not feeling anything, maybe even to herself, going straight to the wine. I assume a situation like this would have prompted conflicting feelings. On one side, she probably felt better/relieved because she knew she never stood a chance and he’d just given her the reason to not feel guilty about killing him. On the other, I can’t imagine it would be pleasant to find out what Lyanna was to him. Being neglected by your husband because he’s still in love with a dead girl is sad enough, but finding out she wasn’t even important enough for him to remember what she looked like must make you feel even more worthless and insulted.

@billie6528

5 жыл бұрын

HelotOnWheels I think that’s why she had this conversation, she was just confirming / validating her actions

@billie6528

5 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth Grace I think he forgets what she looked like because it was so long ago and he’s been through so much. But you’re right, she was absolutely hurt by what he said. That’s the brilliance of Lena. Cersei is cold and brutal but her facial expressions and body language Lena uses is what shows how Cersei really feels and how vulnerable she really is.

@EIizabethGrace

5 жыл бұрын

Billie Dahling I’m sure that played a huge part, as did the alcohol. That said, I believe it was stated somewhere (maybe in the books) that Robert was betrothed to Lyanna, but knew her very little and had met her just a few times. That would imply that he was more in love with an idea of her than the actual person. I totally agree about Lena. It’s incredible what she did with Cersei, and some of her most poignant scenes really just rely on her expressiveness. Pretty sure that’s what gave Cersei much of her complexity, because there are so many things Lena’s able to convey through facial expressions that Cersei would never say out loud, and would therefore get completely lost.

I got my older brother hooked on Game of Thrones by showing him this scene alone. But the flip side was, he immediately felt sorry for Cersei and thought the audience was meant to root for her. I promptly showed him the first two episodes. He changed his mind about her really quickly.

@mcastel

9 жыл бұрын

Ahah, unbelievable! :D

@endersdragon34

8 жыл бұрын

+Syryu Cersei is definitely a lot more sympathetic in the show than she ever was in the books, until last season at least.

@LondonDisperses

7 жыл бұрын

+Bryan G I too used this scene to get a friend into the show. And Cersei is fairly sympathetic in the show. I haven't watched season 6 yet so don't spoil anything for me, but I can tell after what happened to her in the season 5 finale she'll unleash her wrath against the religious fanatics, and especially with Jaime coming back and the Mountain at her command and stronger than ever. I can't wait to see what goes down in season 6.

@tszfungyip2122

6 жыл бұрын

i rooted for cersei until season 7 finale

@viz4884

6 жыл бұрын

I don’t want her to die

Gotta give credit where credit is due. This scene is 100% the creation of the showrunners, it isnt in the books at all and it is maybe one of the best GoT scenes ever

@MrGrimBG

5 жыл бұрын

They were pretty good at creating little side stories and characters to give the world more flavour while the main plot was guided by Martin. As soon as they took hold of the main plot as the show outran the books, things started going downhill, culminating in the disaster that is Season 8.

@christopherhawat9405

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I never would have guessed. Great work

@jennistone8740

4 жыл бұрын

I actually preferred the absolute lack of respect they had for each other in the books where it felt like they wouldn’t even bare being in the same room together. It made Cersei seem so bitter and unwanted which humiliated her over and over again. But I agree that for the sake of television, it was important to somehow manifest a connection between them...

@cwc5085

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Cersei’s hatred for Robert runs far deeper in the books. Which makes sense because in the books Robert would repeatedly rape her in the early years of their marriage, and when she confronted him about it, he blamed it on him drinking to much wine. She loathed him so much, the one time she got pregnant with his child she had an abortion and then after his death, ordered the murder of his bastards. So a scene like this happening in the books wouldn’t make sense, but it makes for good TV.

@slenderfoxx3797

2 жыл бұрын

@@cwc5085 oh cersei murdered the bastards? Wow. See some early show changes I don't mind. To me these changes are equally as good as the book counterparts. But the most important thing about the change...is that its executed well. Equally meaningful and interesting. Some in Season 5 and 6 and pretty much everything that happens in 7 and 8 are hot garbage. Season 7 has a few good likes and some good scenes (despite how we got their being dumb). Season 8 only has a few action scenes that aren't dumb and then a few brief lines of simple yet decent dialogue sprinkled in the beginning.

I love the way, that in this scene. When Robert explains about the hole lyanna left behind and cersei looks at him. It looks like she is feeling actual empathy and emotion for him

@mcastel

9 жыл бұрын

Well, she was kind of in love with Robert, at least according to the tv show's storyline, so maybe she was actually moved by his words because she loved someone herself but could not truly have him (same thing if we consider her in love only with Jaime, as it is in the books). Anyway she made sure this was the one and only time she ever felt empathy for anybody, since she has been a gigantic bitch ever after...

@anirbanbhattacharya9185

5 жыл бұрын

She is very much capable of empathy. She wouldnt be cunning without it. Empathy and sympathy are different. She felt what Catelyn Stark felt about Bran and empathised. As a mother. That is the real tragedy of humanity. We know sometimes full well what we are doing and yet we do it anyway

@rodrigomolano2151

5 жыл бұрын

it's even more interesting how she can feel down for a few seconds and then go back being the biggest son of a bitch she actually is. By way, amazing pic bro, have you ever read him?

@dendanskehelt4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomolano2151 The pic is Karl Marx and you'd do wise to stay clear of anything he's spewn out.

@collinharris4848

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcastel wasn't she in love with Robert for a time in the books as well? Until he shattered her

this is maybe the most human scene in this entire series. No white walkers, no giants, no dragons, no faceless men... Just two people with a marriage that was broken from the start, very clearly feeling empathy and understanding for each other for the first time, but because of their understanding they know that their empathy doesn't change a thing. Understanding each other, feeling each other's pain, doesn't necessarily mean that you can agree or get along.

@rosiepestel7836

2 жыл бұрын

So true

@hugefart440

3 ай бұрын

This was the only scene over the entire shows run to bring a tear to my eye. I'd read the first book so this additional scene was a brilliant suprise. Honestly season 1 in general I'd say is my favourite season for having the most scenes like this one

"Someone took her away from me, and seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind..." That always gets me...

@neonfox3

5 жыл бұрын

"You want to know the horrible truth... I can't even remember what she looked like" hit me hard because alcohol makes you forget things like that. I know from experience.

@luciavaldez4835

Жыл бұрын

He was in love of the idea of been in love. He doesnt even really know her... He saw her once or twice only.

@dorbitan2935

Жыл бұрын

that wasn't in the book. that was D&D. they are great writers who just got sick of the show and wanted to wrap it up so they could move on to other project.

@lauriviisanen3353

Жыл бұрын

@@neonfox3 And trauma - dissociation becomes your best friend

@louisdnd934

10 ай бұрын

The way Mark Addy delivered the line was incredible

Weird thing about this scene. This is one of, if not the only, time we see Cersei actually relaxed. No veil, no image, no airs or graces. Not even menace. Even her hair and garb seem at ease - maybe exhausted. Lena Headey is an incredible actress. This was a complex role to play, especially in the first season when subtlety was still a thing. A careful reminder that Cersei was a person once, and might have not degenerated into the monster she became. Gods the dialogue was strong back then.

@hadnoideahow

2 жыл бұрын

Nice reference to Robet's conversation with Ned in your last sentence. :)

@OurAntwan

Жыл бұрын

I look at Cersei and Lena as 2 completely different entities. They look the same physically but at the same don't because the acting is that good if you get what I mean?

@deandraalexis

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think, despite saying she didn't love Robert anymore and it was torture being married to him, I think she loved him deep down - not the way she loved Jaime, but in the way one might have a crush on the popular kid who had rejected you before, and can't get over them. He made her vulnerable, which never really suited her. But he was the one who haf the ability to do it. I think Robert was the only one who held power over her.

@strider8662

Жыл бұрын

Doesnt matter if she loved him or not anymore, they were married for 18 years. He wasnt a complicated man, or a cruel man, simply uninterested with anything. It makes sense why Cercei would feel relaxed around her in a world where everyone is up to something. He is geniunely the only man that wouldnt use her words aganist him, nor she has anything to gain from trying to manipulate him.

@jacksongibbs8998

7 ай бұрын

Who wrote season 8, some halfwit with a stutter?

This is the most perfect example of characters who are human. They've both done terrible things and yet they've got their hearts, weaknesses and such, and even admit them here with Robert addressing how he helped make Cersei so miserable, and later Cersei crying with Tyrion when she admits what a monster Joffrey is. It's such excellent writing.

@redwolf19k45

6 жыл бұрын

peachjedi What terrible thing did robert do exactly?

@cinemacola6398

6 жыл бұрын

Seriously it pisses me off when people say DND can't write worth shit without the books and this proves that they can write great scenes because this is not in the books.

@GoldenRose116

5 жыл бұрын

Redwolf 19k raped her, cheated on her, beaten her, etc

@hawnt2r

5 ай бұрын

​@@cinemacola6398yes, but this is written based on the books. There is a main storyline, about war, fights, decisions. And all of it is written by Martin. And DND write side stories, scenes and characters, based on that main storyline. And they are good at it. But when they don't have basis, everything falls apart

Robert to Cersei: “I can’t even remember what she looked like. I only know she was the one thing I ever wanted”. (S01-E05) Maester Aemon to Sam: “I was in love once. […] I was very young. […] I could tell you everything about her, who she was, how we met, the color of her eyes and the shape of her nose. I can see her right in front of me; she’s more real than you are.” (S04-E09)

@Gudwell

6 жыл бұрын

G. Sings.P well to be fair, Maester Aemon did go blind. One could imagine you might remember more if you were to never see something again. Whereas Robert has probably seen hundreds of women after.

@mike29aug1958

6 жыл бұрын

Gudwell Aemon became blind because of his old age..he wasn't always blind...pretty sure he's seen fair amount of women..

@inevitablext

6 жыл бұрын

Aemon probably didn't get drunk as fuck every single day.

@mjlover1801

6 жыл бұрын

Inevitable Yeah, getting lost in barrels and barrels of wine can probably addle the memory.

@Kaboomboo

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah you see how good your memory is after drinking yourself into an early coma every night.

Back when Game of Thrones had well-written scenes instead of fan service retcons.

@davidsharounoff8521

5 жыл бұрын

it's fucked up

@tvduete6954

5 жыл бұрын

Couldn't express my feelings better!

@MullanMedia96

5 жыл бұрын

How can it be fan service now whenever half the fans are criticising GoT for not getting what they wanted? That D&D are doing the opposite of giving the audience what they expected? That's the antithesis of fan service. Maybe I could understand that argument in S7, but not S8.

@stefanstojadinovic2486

5 жыл бұрын

@@MullanMedia96 Dude look at arya's plot armor

@MullanMedia96

5 жыл бұрын

NoobSkillz Gaming If people want to argue that’s there’s fan service then I can try to see it, but not if at the same time the writers are getting slated for ruining the shower and not catering to fan’s expectations. The two criticisms contradict each other is all, one of them is probably truer than the other just trying to work out which 👍

The way he said "I know", after she told him she had felt something for him at the beginning, he genuinely felt ashamed about what he had done to her.

“It doesn’t make me feel anything.” Of all the lies Cersei has told, that one breaks my heart. She wanted love, never got it. All she had was lust and duty. Now she has nothing.

@armygirl85fuckhitler74

Жыл бұрын

But she died in the arms of the only man she ever loved. Her death should have been worse

@md5820

Жыл бұрын

Dude Jamie loved her.

@junesmind7325

Жыл бұрын

@@md5820 Jamie was the lid she used to cover the hole in her heart.

@md5820

Жыл бұрын

@@junesmind7325 Never said she loved him. I said Jamie loved her.

@josephsherby

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think that was a lie. After 17 years, she truly is at the point where she just doesn’t care anymore. She has given up. She has tried to love him then tried to hurt him, but none of it worked. Eventually, it just stopped mattering to her. She’s only asking now to sate her curiosity.

This scene actually made me feel sympathy for Cersei. She was in love with a man who never wanted her, a man who preferred a dead woman instead of her, a man who never respected her during their marriage. No wonder why she became so bitter and cruel.

@sjeasley9594

6 ай бұрын

She was always bitter and cruel. They tell storesi about how horrid she was even as a child.

@thotpatrol7901

6 ай бұрын

She was with Jamie all along

You want to know the horrible truth. I can't even remember a time when Game of Thrones had promise. I only knew that i wanted the final season to be the best one ever. Someone stole the white walkers, Jaime's redemption , Cerseis death and Daenerys away from me. And even Avengers Endgame couldn't fill the hole Game of Thrones Season 8 left behind.

@georgegspst.pierre1256

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@leone41ll

3 жыл бұрын

😭

@DG-sz8tj

3 жыл бұрын

Lol avengers🤐

@eyebrowcow5914

3 жыл бұрын

I personally think daenerys going mad was a brilliant conclusion just poorly fucking executed But yeah the other stuff 100% agree

@joshthaller4754

3 жыл бұрын

you are very much correct

Wasn't to sure about Mark Addy at first, but then he did this scene and BAM..... excellent work

@mcastel

10 жыл бұрын

I was doubtful as well, he didn't strike me as the strong warrior Robert was, but, as you said, he's done a great work!

@ameenpasha2313

7 жыл бұрын

Michele Castelluzzo is this scene there in books?

@mcastel

7 жыл бұрын

Nope, there isn't any scene of Robert and Cersei alone, as neither of them is a POV character in the first book.

@arawn1061

6 жыл бұрын

Probebly happend tho at some point

@indranigomes9874

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Addy/Robert still is one of my favourite characters on the series.

The acting by Mark Addy here is amazing, "Seven Kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind." Gets me everytime.

The one thing the show has over the books is how better Robert is in the show. We get incredible scenes and moments like this where they aren't in the first book. And Mark Addys performance is amazing

@aristotleyalung8033

6 жыл бұрын

book readers can masturbate on their damn books and let viewers enjoy theirs.

@valerieblackwell5765

2 жыл бұрын

Bring me the Breastplate stretcher!

@SapphireCrusader1988

Жыл бұрын

It's the same thing with Viserys in House of the Dragon. There's more depth to the character thanks to the actor portraying him.

Even if Cersei had actually married Rhaegar, she would always be second to Lyanna Stark.

@jomoeiviem7619

2 жыл бұрын

Damn that is true

@IBeMelissa

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Robert didn't love her and Rhaegar would have never loved her the way he loved Lyanna. She only ever really had Jaime because he understood her the most and was always there as they are siblings. Cercei never believed anyone could love her the way her brother did, so no wonder they had an incest relationship.

@Khushi-Shah

2 жыл бұрын

@@IBeMelissa pretty sure Rhaegar did not love Lyanna. That was just something added in the show.

@dysplasiaanaplasia4128

2 жыл бұрын

@@Khushi-Shah hurrr… rhaegar fled with llyana of course he loved her. They got married in secret nd jon snow is their son.

@theplayasclub5948

2 жыл бұрын

@@dysplasiaanaplasia4128 Lyanna was a breeding mule to Rheagar.

Robert was a drunken fool and Cersei was bitter, this scene effortless revealed their humane sides and I thought this was so brilliant.

@jacksongibbs8998

7 ай бұрын

Robert wasn’t a fool, he just didn’t care.

I love Mark Addy's acting here. The second Cersei asks about Lyanna you can see the change in expression and body language. He's immediately uncomfortable because this is the first time that Cersei openly mentions this ghost causing a rift in their marriage for 17 years. By asking about Lyanna, Cersei is indirectly questioning him about his failures as a King, as a husband, as a person.

robert= the viewers cersei= the directors lyanna= the source material lol

Screw red wedding, this is the best scene in the series.

@serbuttsoffalot8492

5 жыл бұрын

The purple wedding was the best

@qtaro-7097

5 жыл бұрын

Gerard Foran robert is the goat 🐐

Always preferred Robert in the show as he had no point of view chapters in the book. Mark Addy was a perfect cast and scenes like this and the war stories gave Robert so much more depth.

What's interesting here is that this scene makes it clear that Cersei and Robert's strained relationship is entirely his fault. Cersei is usually presented as the villain but she was the victim in this situation - made to marry a man she didn't know at a young age and while she did give a chance to love him, he never did the same for her.

@ysgramornorris2452

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's not like he could choose to love her. Sure, the state of their marriage was lile 90% his fault, and he was a very, _very_ flawed man, but unlike her he wasn't cruel. Spiteful, yes, but not sadistic.

@bebelc2l

Жыл бұрын

@@ysgramornorris2452 The problem was NOT his feelings, but his actions. Of course Robert couldn’t make himself love Cersei, but he could’ve chosen to at least treat her well and with some dignity. Instead, he was physically and mentally abusive to Cersei throughout the whole marriage; in this scene alone it is made very clear Robert drank and whored his sorrows away from the very beginning, all the while knowing damn well Cersei cared for him and was hurting. The books also states Robert raped Cersei repeatedly in the early years of the marriage, but put the blame on the alcohol when confronted by her. Pain is not an excuse to be a dick. Ned and Catelyn weren’t in love when they were wed. As a matter of fact, Catelyn was still in love with Brandon and mourning him, whereas Ned had lost his entire family in one swoop. To further complicate things, there was already a “bastard” between them. But unlike Robert, Ned actually tried to make an effort to be a good, respectful husband, and, in turn, Catelyn opened up to him. Their marriage survived because they WORKED on it. Robert already had the advantage of Cersei being into him from the get go, and instead of trying to be a good husband, he did everything in his power to push her away. Sure, maybe he would never be in LOVE with her, and maybe Cersei would eventually go back to being obsessed with her brother, but a civil relationship sure as hell would have been a better situation for both (and the entire realm) than the fuckery that actually took place.

@LordVader1094

Жыл бұрын

@@ysgramornorris2452 He could have chosen to give up his fantasy of Lyanna and tried to move on, considering he never even knew the woman.

@xaviergarcia8342

Жыл бұрын

@@ysgramornorris2452 At least he could not be drunk while laying in bed with her and don’t insult her laying with many women while her own brother was guarding.

@Miuranger1

Жыл бұрын

Cersei slept with Jaime on her wedding day lmao and she always refused robert to go with hunts with him

And the sad thing is Robert would've never been happy with Lyanna either, he was never in love with Lyanna herself so much as he was in love with the memory of her, of what could have been. Robert was a player, always had been, the fire and passion that made him such a great warrior was the same thing that made him a terrible King and Husband. He might have tried for awhile to be faithful but in the end he would've cheated on her too

@aristotleyalung8033

6 жыл бұрын

well we wouldn't know for sure. although from what the show is suggesting and by what is shown, it appears Robert would hold true to his vows.

@Vaampe

5 жыл бұрын

So true. And Lyanna herself knew this when she was alive.

@sydnitheromantictaylor112

5 жыл бұрын

In the first book in Neds point of view, he said Lyanna didn't want to be with Robert because she knew how he was and she knew he already had a Bastard daughter and that even if he did truly love her that love doesn't change a man's nature. So I agree he would've eventually cheated on her too.

@luvfreedom1470

5 жыл бұрын

Plus Lyanna wasn't in love with him nor did she want him. Cersei at least wanted Robert but was disappointed and disillusioned after years of lovelessness. There was never going to be a happy ending for Robert regardless.

@RuchiraRambles

5 жыл бұрын

@@luvfreedom1470 Cersei grew tired of the lovelessness, the whoring and also, in the books, Robert was deliberately cruel to her in bed.

still the best scene

@konstantinlenz1057

3 жыл бұрын

The Best Scene in... the entire Show? Or the Best Scene in the First Season? Maybe... both?

@dominicdecoco7950

3 жыл бұрын

@@konstantinlenz1057 best scene in the show

@konstantinlenz1057

3 жыл бұрын

@@dominicdecoco7950 Youre Right. "7 Kingdoms couldn’t fill the whole she left behind."

@spawncampe

2 жыл бұрын

I love scenes like this b/c they weren't in the books, since they weren't POV characters

@EnderSpy358

2 жыл бұрын

I must agree. Every line said holds such immense weight; this is where I fell in love with the show.

“The 7 kingdoms couldn’t fill the hole she left” Fuck I felt that. Anyone who’s ever lost a beloved partner feels that deeply

@adamm2091

Жыл бұрын

Also, when he says he can't remember what she looks like - I felt that. I lost my mom back in 2013 and I don't remember what she looks like anymore.

"I felt something for you once, you know... Even after we lost our first boy... it took quite awhile actually." Music Kicks in. You feel a lot of empathy for Cersei even though you hate her. That's great writing.

@Dreamfyre_

6 жыл бұрын

Cinema Cola Didn't she kill her firstborn?

@Mastershaley

6 жыл бұрын

TAZY In the books Cersei would drink moon tea whenever the time of conception would have seen the baby to have been Robert's child, so she could only have Jaime's, though, it was never specified she had this child in the novels. This scene was filmed after the first season was in post-production, because they didn't something to fill time, so the David & Dan with the help of George wrote this. I think this might of been one of the many things he said he wanted to include in the books but had to cut because of how long the original manuscript was. However, in the television series, it's believed she did actively seek means of not getting pregnant with Robert's child, but there was a slip up with whom's she thought it was. Many fans theorize that it was Jaime whom had the babe killed, but Cersei grew to love him before his death despite his parentage.

@montelvontaviouspore

5 жыл бұрын

Their first born was Gendry (so he isn't a bastard, just like Jon isn't) That's gonna be the next big twist I reckon so he will have more right to sit on the Iron Throne than anyone alive 😉

@AnzuBrief

2 жыл бұрын

Except in the books Cercei was in love with Rhaegar, didn't like Robert, and abort their first child out of spite because he had called her Lyana's name

@IBeMelissa

2 жыл бұрын

​@@montelvontaviouspore Uhm Cercei was not mother of Gendry lol.

Just some top notch dialogue and two fantastic actors. Addy's subtle shame when she tells him she felt something for him once, that quiet little "I know" is brief, but says a world about the deep seeded regret Robert has about how he's treated his wife, and choices he's made.

Wow, Cersei actually being a human. Her conversation with Robert was amazing, cause it shows that under all that anger and hatred, she can feel genuine love for someone.

@xxwhispersxx2856

Жыл бұрын

And it was that situation she was in that turned her into the angry woman she became.

Honestly, one could make the argument THIS was the most incredible scene in GOTs. There was just something so earnest about their talk. Both crushingly sad and liberating.

@josephsherby

Жыл бұрын

I’m reading the books now for the first time, and I genuinely feel that this is the only addition to the show that I wished was in the book. It just does such a fantastic job of characterizing the relationship between Robert and Cersei. That said, their relationship in the books and the TV show, is quite different, so I doubt it would have worked. I actually like their dynamic in the show (and Robert’s character generally) far better in the show, personally.

GODS! THE SHOW WAS RIGHT PROPER BACK THEN!

@basedelon

5 жыл бұрын

GOOD WRITING, NED, ON AN OPEN FIELD

@Shortydevil6666

5 жыл бұрын

@@basedelon WE CALLED IT MAKING THE 8 SEASONS

@ferdinand5223

5 жыл бұрын

*right proper*

@jacksongibbs8998

7 ай бұрын

Bran. “Who has a better story than Bran?” Gods, what a stupid line. Who wrote season 8, some halfwit with a stutter?

Robert is actually very grounded when he isn't belligerently drunk

@jacksongibbs8998

7 ай бұрын

A lot of people, both the characters in the show itself and the people who watch it, say Robert is a fool for acting the way he did with all the drinking and debauchery. He wasn’t a fool, he just didn’t care.

"What harm could Lyanna Stark's ghost do to either of us, that we haven't done to each other a hundred times over?" Oh, I don't know, maybe secretly married Rhaegar Targaryen and had a child with him, who would have a better claim to the throne than any of your children combined.

@Mark-xh8md

7 жыл бұрын

Shove that "secret marriage"-bullshit back up your ass from whence it came

@limeyfigdet7460

7 жыл бұрын

+Mark P I disagree with you, but I'll admit I laughed my butt off reading your comment.

@J0ECRAWF15H

7 жыл бұрын

They were at that damn tower for over a year, and you don't think they got hitched?

@ArbitraryPole

6 жыл бұрын

lol a year later and this guy was right

@kyleweaver2076

6 жыл бұрын

Mark P lol

“And seven kingdoms couldn’t fill the hole she left behind.” After all these years that line still makes me tear up

"Someone took her away from me and 7 Kingdoms couldn't fill the void " I keep coming to watch this clip for this dialog

"Doesn't make me feel anything." But if you pay attention to her eyes, you notice that she lies, trying hard to pretend, she really doesn't care, so Robert doesn't catch her weakness. Such strong acting in this scene, from both actors! One of the best scenes in the entire series to me.

"She was the one thing I ever wanted" How relate-able

Powerful scene. You can hear deep sadness in his voice when he told her about the horrible truth. It's a great line, delivered in great acting on Mark Addy's part.

my favorite scene in the entire show. To date.

This is why people loved game of thrones.. The interactions between characters, powerful Dilougs, amazing depth to backstories, the grey area of human nature.... Not the bloody dragons or expensive battles hell the first three seasons had only one major battle scene and still they were the best... Sure dragons and huge battles are amazing but these scenes were the stuff which attracted such vast audience

17 years of peace and stability. A long summer before the long winter. Thank you King Robert

The way Cersei gulps down her pain with wine when Robert said "No". The way she keeps a straight face & leaves!! This show is one off the best for all time for a reason.❤❤ Such powerful performances!

I love this scene so much, it has to be one of my favourites in the entire show and that’s hard to pick - The lines “I can’t even remember what she looked like” and “And seven kingdoms couldn’t fill the hole she left behind” - I’ve had quite a few loved ones die in my life and I’m only 25, I lost most of them to cancer over 10 years ago and that line really hits home - those lines are probably the most accurate descriptions of grief and loss you’ll ever hear. - it’s been so long since they died and so long since I last saw them I have trouble remembering their faces Those of you reading this and if you haven’t experienced it - You’ll understand one day

even though lyanna probably was not in love with him I feel for Robert. loving someone beyond reason ... is never healthy ... it makes you very vulnerable. The never ending pain of not being able to be with that person slowly destroys you ... no wonder he failed at ruling ...

@LightTrack-

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but you can't control your affection for someone.

@ThothTheAtlanteanK

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Well said Patrick. That's the truth.

Hearing that Cersei loved Robert at some point is really sad, if he had just let go of that grief he could’ve actually been happy with her and raised his own kids

@jacobc874

Жыл бұрын

Another point given that context: I think this is the reason Cersei does show something of a soft spot for Sansa. She sees herself in her. A young woman betrothed to a would-be king, who doesn't realize the monster within their object of affection.

@anaquot

4 ай бұрын

I thought this scene made Robert seem delusional. It's clear that he was only ever in love with the idea of a woman who had zero interest in him. Lol. It's like hearing someone cry about an unrequited crush from high school 20 years ago. Super unrealistic.

Great acting

What a tremendous scene between Lena Headey and Mark Addy. Wonderful talent. I feel his heartache every time I see this. I wish we would have seen more of the complex and deep character Robert Baratheon was (fingers crossed for some origin prequels). And Lena does an outstanding job in this performance showing the loving and perhaps, dare I say, innocent side she once had. It feels so genuine and so painful. I loved the exchanges like this between these actors. They never disappoint.

One of my favorite scenes in the franchise - books and show.

@redmilo92

9 жыл бұрын

Not sure this is actually in the books given that neither Cersei or Robert are POV characters at this point

@EvanSol919

9 жыл бұрын

Miles Curtis Watson It wasn't

@nightwalkers5579

9 жыл бұрын

EvanSol919 The scene was not from the books. Robert from the show seems more sane for some reason.

The interesting thing about it is, that this scene isn't even in the books, but it's one of the best written scenes of this season. They WERE able to write brilliantly and empathically... Wonder what actually happened.......

@WorldWar2freak94

7 ай бұрын

I have heard that the show runners wants to get the show over and done as soon as possible by that point in order to have a chance at one of the Star Wars movies. They ended up not being chosen, so their decision backfired.

I still say that Season 1 was the best.

@orochimaru527

5 жыл бұрын

season 1 was easily the best in terms of writing and character development. anyone says otherwise is easily impressed by ez shock moments

@John-xr9ry

2 жыл бұрын

@@orochimaru527, i mean, S2-S4 also have equally strong writing and character development. I’d say S1’s strongest attribute compared to those seasons is the pacing and the way the story slowly unfolds. Plus the smaller scale of S1 allowed each plotline to get an equally strong amount of needed screentime

One of my favourite show-only additions. Such a shame that the writers were unable of recreating the magic in the later seasons. In just a few short minutes, we're given more insight into Robert and Cersei's complex, naunced relationship than we ever did in the books, elevated of course by Lena and Mark's incredible acting.

I've watched this a million times, and I've had a million goosebumps after Robert said that line

Someone's said it here before, but compare this to what Maester Aemon says in a later scene. Aemon can picture his beloved clearly, even after so many years, because he genuinely loved her. Robert cannot remember Lyanna's face because it was mere infatuation

In the books it is even sadder, as Cersei genuinely liked Robert in the beginning but felt betrayed when on their first wedding night together Robert mentioned Lyanna's name.

Perhaps one of the finest examples of a masterfully crafted scene, the writing, the dialogue, the lighting, the delivery, the direction and how much it contributes insight to the two characters who are hopelessly imperfect in their lives. I guess one of the points the scene tries to make is that even in an imagined and fantastical world like Westeros characters are only humans whose actions are the result of their struggle driven past and failures, regrets, anger, spite are all the basest human emotions which define our lives. A brilliant and profound piece of storytelling.

The depth and nuance Mark Addy gave to Robert is why Bobby B is so popular among the fandom.

Season 1 has some of the best acting I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching

The subtle foreshadowing here about Robert’s death is done masterfully. “17 years is quite a long time.” I think Cersei already started planning his death. Hence why she wanted to talk about Lyanna. She wouldn’t have gotten another chance.

@enderman_666

2 жыл бұрын

While I think she's always had the idea in the back of her mind, as a contingency plan if nothing else, it's more likely she acted on it once Ned started snooping around and eventually discovered the truth about her and Jaime. By then, it was do or die.

@murph8837

Жыл бұрын

@@enderman_666 Exactly, she had no choice if she wanted to live, in the show at least. In the book it is suggested she had tried to get him put in situations were the possibility of him being killed. When he was going to participate in a jousting for Ned's tournament. Cersei forbade him from participating thus causing him to against her "wishes", which is what she wanted. He was out of shape so he would likely lose. Ned had to talk him out of participating. However, from her perspective she REALLY had to actively end his life after Ned informed her of his knowledge. Apparently she had to kill him sooner than what she would have preferred, bit the idea was always there. In the show this particular scene inadvertently made her choice to kill him a lot more easier as she had no qualms about doing. But I am not sure if Robert telling her that he did feel for her would have changed anything.

One of the best scenes in the series. Heartbreaking.

This scene is such perfection and it’s just two people sitting across a table from each other. Just great acting and great writing

Gods the dialogue was good

It's a great scene. They make a very good job of it, and there's a certain tenderness to the honesty, even though they don't love each other, there's an openness that's quite wholesome in a strange way.

I honestly feel bad for them both. Cersei wanted Rhaegar more than anything while Robert wanted Lyanna more than anything

Robert remembers his first kill so vividly down to minor details but cant even recall the woman he “loved”s face. He was a bloodhungry warrior not a lover.

@jacobc874

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Because he only loved the idea of Lyanna.

@gooby214

11 ай бұрын

Based sigma Bobby B

The acting, the writing, the music....these early seasons were some of the best tv i ever watched ❤

GODS, the writing was good then! (PS i know this comment is stolen)

@sirborkington1052

5 жыл бұрын

Hey don't feel bad I just commented the same thing and did'nt admit the theft.

@heatalldayy

5 жыл бұрын

strong*

@mazokuwolf1279

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirborkington1052 Then stop commenting the same thing if you already see the comment on the same video.

He was the greatest king we ever had . Someone took him away from us , and seven seasons couldn't fill the hole he left behind.

The best non-book scene of the entire series. It’s so stunningly good and insightful to both of these characters it’s one that I’ve taken as canonical book, despite not being in the books.

I absolutely love this scene. The emotions are so raw....so real. It really flushes out the characters, especially Robert. How on the surface he appears to have the world at his finger tips.. He was always a desirable person, strong, charismatic, good looking, aristocrat, good friends/allies etc. and now he's king, gets his choice of women, drinks and parties at his leisure. But you realize that he's a hedonist because he's trying to heal from something that won't go away: the pain left behind from the death of the women he loved. 7 kingdoms couldn't fill the void she left behind. Bravo! great acting and writing

This is one of the best changes they made to Robert’s character. It helps give him a little more debt, and wipes away whatever thoughts Ned had of him and his sister. Throughout Ned’s chapters, he often wonders if Robert actually loved Lyanna for who she was, or simply because she was beautiful. Ned even wonders wonders if Robert’s whoring would have ended, or even begun had his sister lived to be his wife. I love how the show makes it abundantly clear how much Robert truly loved her. Every time she’s brought up, he transforms from the stubborn king he’s known to be, to a broken man still hopelessly in love with a woman he can never have.

@spanishflea634

Жыл бұрын

Robert loves the idea of her. The idea of a him being a different man. He never loved her.

@VideoGameAutopsy

Жыл бұрын

@@spanishflea634 I think this version of Robert deeply loved her. The book and the show are two completely different beasts. You can see how her her death still haunts him. In the book, Robert often said that he loved her, but we never really got any deep emotional scenes like this to really hammer that in. I kinda agree with Book Ned, that had she lived, Robert still would have been unfaithful to her.

@fightingmedialounge519

10 ай бұрын

​@@VideoGameAutopsyI don't him being at a live he never got live is exactly proof of love.

I like to come back to superbly written scenes like this from the first 4 seasons to remember why I used to love this show 😢

its often the richest and most powerful ones who live the most deprived lives.

@nataliestark4097

6 жыл бұрын

I'd Rather live such a miserable rich and poweful life with a hot wife rather than a mediocre and poor life with an ugly wife :D

@TheUndyingCrystal

6 жыл бұрын

Natalie Stark Then clearly you've never suffered from depression.

@nataliestark4097

6 жыл бұрын

I am currently suffering from it

@user-yj6xz4th1z

6 жыл бұрын

TheUndyingCrystal The constant stress of financial woes is enough for someone suffering from depression to end it all, it's often the catalyst in fact.

@viz4884

6 жыл бұрын

Well can concur But nothing’s gonna change really I’ve grown used to this

This was quite possibly my favorite scene in all of game of thrones. It was deep and powerful on multiple levels.

Cersei would have been way better had Robert been nice to her and loved her, or at least given their relationship a chance, although I despise Cersei, I can't imagine the pain she must have gone through with Robert, she was already being treated like a piece of meat by tywin, marrying her off to the highest lord to make an alliance ,I mean she's no saint but she did have a difficult life

@TTUploads

5 жыл бұрын

Lol read the books. She was a psychopath. She murdered her best friend at the age of 9.

@alinakirill

3 жыл бұрын

@@TTUploads Cersei in the books and Cersei in the show are very different. George Martin had been talking about this when filming for the first season was just about to begin. He wrote about it on his blog. They chose Lena Headey because she could show Cersei more human than she was in the books. This was the plan of Martin and the showrunners from the beginning. So Cersei didn't kill her friend on the show.

Throughout the whole series this scene is one of the most honest conversation these characters had

Imagine being in a competition with a ghost anf losing

This was both the first and last one-on-one scene these two shared together, and yet so much history was shaded in. You feel like you watched their entire relationship in this one scene.

Brilliant. I don’t know how anyone could not have loved this show, particularly the early seasons.

Robert didn't even know Lyanna, he was projecting a lot onto her. The "one thing he ever wanted" was someone he barely knew, and had idealized. And then he lost her and then "seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind". Robert never had her, nor before her death, nor after. Robert was never whole. The king of Westeros was just a miserable man his entire life.

Much like all people, Cersei was her best self when people told her "no...."

The way this scene makes you feel, the way it paints a picture of how incredibly rich this world was and currently is. I miss that feeling, the dialog was everything in this show.

GODS the writing was strong then!

This is one of my all time thrones scenes

I wonder if had said Yes instead of No if she would have still had him killed.

God damn, this scene is perfect. Complete honesty and acceptance from both of them. This scene should be nominated for awards tbh.

One of my favorite scenes in the series. It evokes so many different emotions and thoughts that for how short it is, it's influential

"I felt something for you once, you know." As someone whose wife hates him, this really hit hard for me.

It is as it should be. It is as it is written in the books. The hostility in her eyes for being rejected as lover and wife, the frustration in his voice for his inadequacy. And in the both of them a deep sense of inevitable sadness. Brilliant.

@derrickday8126

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this moment doesn't happen in the books.

So much of the series summed up in one short scene. Excellent.

Such marvellous acting...you can actually feel the sense of loss, the grief...the miserable truth of 2 people being in painful unrequited love..