RN Conte di Cavour - Guide 222
The Conte di Cavour class, battleships of the Italian Navy, are today's subject.
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The Cavour & Duilio Class Battleships - Warship Volume 4
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Next on the list:
German Auxiliary Cruiser Atlantis
USS Astoria
Project 24 Sovetsky Soyuz class Battleship
Caio Duilio class ironclads
Garibaldi class
Pisa class
HMS Inflexible (1876)
German S-90
HMVS Cerberus,
USS Minneapolis, CA-36
USS Long Beach
SMS Lutzow
HMS Sovereign of the Seas
SS Great Eastern
Pinguin
PT Boats
Z Class
Cleveland class
SM U-156
Boston class
Des Moines Heavy cruisers.
Hydra Class Ironclads
Audacious class CV's
Malta class
Hunt class
Tennessee-class cruiser
The Merrimack and Mersey class of frigates
Henri IV
USS Marblehead
HMS Caroline
Ships of Battle of Campeche
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
@taivaankumma
3 жыл бұрын
Q&A: As far as I can tell, the Soviet Navy gained ships that were put to active service from at least the Japanese, German, Italian, Romanian and Finnish navies after the Second World War. Were any of these ships of any practical use?
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
Q&A: was the Roma a good ship? And if she entered service earlier in the war what would have been the consequences for the Royal Navy?
@indyrock8148
3 жыл бұрын
Q: did the Italians build the most stylish battleships?
@mattbowden4996
3 жыл бұрын
Some - although not all - books describe the rebuild of the Conte de Cavours and Andrea Dorias as a complete waste of time and money. I think this is a position based entirely upon hindsight and is extremely unfair - the rebuilds gave the Italians four ships roughly equivalent to the Strasbourg and Dunkerque and even facing the Royal Navy they were useful to the Regia Marina, which in their unrebuilt form they most certainly would not have been. What is your opinion? I do accept that in practice the Dorias were less useful than the Cavours, but would argue that has much more to do with the fortunes of war than the underlying concept of rebuilding the ships.
@pedenharley6266
3 жыл бұрын
What is the rational for a stern torpedo tube in a dreadnought? If fleeing in a stern chase, you would assume the chasing ship would be bow-on, not exactly the most likely hit.
An Italian battleship constructed in 1915 ends up sinking in Soviet service in 1956 because of a german mine laid more than 10 years ago. Life is strange.
@jajanka10
3 жыл бұрын
Mr.Europawide!
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
"german mine"
@davidvasquez08
3 жыл бұрын
Life is so strange
@chaingun1701
3 жыл бұрын
Max agrees.
@ahmetserdarunal8229
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAngelobarker thanks!
The Italians seems to really know how to build beautiful ships. Conte di Cavour and Andrea Doria class post-refit are just so pretty.
@weldonwin
3 жыл бұрын
Of course they are, its the Italians, they would never make anything not beautiful if they can help it, its just what they do
@nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676
3 жыл бұрын
Yep,absolutely beautiful ships and designs too
@leroiarouf1142
3 жыл бұрын
@@weldonwin what about their tanks?
@weldonwin
3 жыл бұрын
@@leroiarouf1142 The Italian Tankettes were kinda sleek and sporty looking I think. I know they were hot garbage as actual fighting vehicles, but at least they looked nice
@georgecanzini7481
3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more, the ww2 era Italian cruisers and the Roma are in my opinion the most beautiful looking ships of the age
After their refit, these are some of the best looking battleships in my opinion.
@Alex-cw3rz
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@gamerfan8445
3 жыл бұрын
Warspike look better
@francoistombe
3 жыл бұрын
The Brits and Dutch build practical, utilitarian ships. Vertical walls, circular upright funnels etc. Italians sculpt their ships like they are carving them out of a block of stone. One is engineering, the other is artistry.
@Alex-cw3rz
3 жыл бұрын
@@francoistombe very poetic but not true. This ship was refitted too create a hull shape that was more suitable for higher speeds. The Italian ships are closer to that of German ones (especially if you look at turret design and hull shape) and we'd never say the German ships were built in an artistic way. I think it all comes from perspective, you persecieve the Italian ones to be less focused on the actual engineering.
@AWMJoeyjoejoe
3 жыл бұрын
I always go with Hood or Tiger as the best looking battleships/battlecruisers.
My cousin served in the Italian navy during WWII and got torpedoed by the Aussies. Luckily they plucked him from the water and took him prisoner. He spent the war in the United States in a rather comfortable POW camp. (Not sarcasm, they went to Palisades Amusement Park regularly.) Thirty five years later my cousin comes back to the US to visit. We sat down to a simple lunch after spending morning at the beach when my cousin gasped and said, "That's it! What is this stuff, I've been looking for this for decades!" While pointing at his sandwich. Turns out he had peanut butter as a POW and absolutely loved it. He took cases home with him to Italy.
@francoistombe
3 жыл бұрын
Same in Australia. Italians captured in North Africa went to POW camps in Australia where they had no hope of escape. (Well they could escape but there was nowhere to go.) So they drank wine, sang opera, enjoyed the warmth and were sequested out to local farms for labour. In all a rather good easy life compared to combat. These were joined later by Japanese prisoners, who considered themselves shamed and humiliated by their capture. The contrast between the life-loving Italians and miserable Japanese was stark. The Italians thought they had a good thing and we're baffled by the depressiveness of the Japanese, who in turn were equally baffled by the contentment of the Italians. Ultimately the Japanese conceded that the Italians had the right idea.
@5peciesunkn0wn
3 жыл бұрын
That's, honestly adorable. :D
@leftcoaster67
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he had easy access to gelato so it all balances out.
@blueboats7530
3 жыл бұрын
Comically, he only had to bop up to Germany to find peanut butter, due to the large American military presence there
@notshapedforsportivetricks2912
3 жыл бұрын
@@francoistombe Lots of italian POWs were kept in the camp at Cowra during the war. In contrast to the japanese, the italians were guarded very lightly and the officers apparently weren't guarded at all. They could wander into town, visit the pubs and drink coffee in the cafes. They just had to give an undertaking not to try to escape and to close the fly-screen door behind them when they returned to camp. A marked contrast to the way the japanese had to be handled.
My grandpa served on the Giulio Cesare during WW2, I love these ships
@Peterax788
3 жыл бұрын
I love the Cesare beautiful and powerful
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
@@Peterax788 she definitely is
@Peterax788
3 жыл бұрын
@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat I'm happy to say that Giulio Cesare is my favourite ship at her tier
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
@@Peterax788 oh yeah, she's really strong
@RedXlV
3 жыл бұрын
@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat Back when I still regularly played World of Warships (and back when the PVE operations were fun), I really was wanting a Tier 6 Novorossiysk so I could bring Giulio Cesare into operations.
The class that teaches us not to discount grandpa in a fight.
Interesting side note that I have read somewhere is that the ex-Ceasare blowing up, played a major part in the power struggle after Stalin's death, as Chruschev used the sinking as an excuse to sack most of the old hardline admiralty
@doccyclopz
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Turds floated off her deck when she turned turtle?
@77thTrombone
3 жыл бұрын
A side question to your side note about that particular purge: I'd be interested in seeing an assessment of how repeated purges in Russia/USSR in the 20th century impeded their naval development. Regardless of what such an assessment might say, I think the 20th century was a great time _not_ to be Russian.
@nemo6686
3 жыл бұрын
Stricken from the list 24 Feb 1956, apparently - they didn't even have the wit to wait 20 days (though at least it was a leap year!)
@WildBillCox13
3 жыл бұрын
@@77thTrombone TIK (a worthy poster on WW2 matters for those dissatisfied with official narratives) has covered the effects of the infamous Stalin purges very well. His conclusion is that such purges were not all that unusual (cf Lincoln and FDR, who sacked a lot of generals for being too old or set in their ways), even at the time*. Quite a large number of those purged reappeared later on, modernized, so to speak, ready to Red Army Rumble again. My guess is that later purges were similar in reasoning: get rid of old guys who can't do the work anymore. *Churchill was infamous for "reassigning" generals in whom he had lost confidence.
@5647mhjgt
3 жыл бұрын
@@WildBillCox13 First - purges were not limited to military personnel. Second - strictly speaking, sacking a general isn't the same as shoving said general in front of a firing squad and sending his friends and\or family to a forced labor camp. For example, Korolev and Glushko, fathers of the Soviet space and ICBM programs, were sent to a GULAG just because they worked under purged superior (shot). Living conditions were less than preferable, so It's all thanks to their natural health and pure luck that they made it out alive. Considering that fruits of their (post-camp) work are used to this very day, we can only imagine how world would've looked like if those two were unlucky enough to catch, let's say, a flu while in camp. Purges affected all aspects of soviet life and technological development in more ways than one, and I imagine that the navy is not an exception.
Love the look of these. They turned a dreadnaught into something out of the 30s-40s
@redshirt5126
3 жыл бұрын
It's like when your badass veteran grandpa getting super soldier augmentations
@ONECOUNT
3 жыл бұрын
Of course being Italian they rebuilt it to be sexy and fast, I am surprised they didn't paint them red!
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
@@ONECOUNT they had red and white racing stripes....
@richardthomas5362
3 жыл бұрын
I believe Mussolini tried to turn the Italians into the Romans. While most Italian military operations in the Second World War were less than stellar these dreadnoughts seem to be an example of what the Italians could do if they were not hobbled by incompetence and corruption.
*Not Pinned Post for Q&A.* She encountered an old German mine in 1956. Which raises the questions. What sea-mines lurked the longest (after the conflict ended) and then inflicted damage? And... What sea-mines lurked the longest before they were discovered?
@anonymousperson8463
3 жыл бұрын
When I was deployed to the Western Pacific in the late 1990's there was an incident involving a Japanese fishing boat. The boat was sunk by a bottom-moored mine that had broken loose from its mooring and become a free-floating mine. The forensic examination of the fragments revealed that the weapon had been deployed in the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese War.
@DERP_Squad
3 жыл бұрын
There are naval mines from both world wars still lurking as far as I know. For some, the detonators, or explosive has probably deteriorated to becoming inert, though, depending on the explosive used, they can deteriorate to a state where a bump can cause them to detonate. Pretty much every ship now has a degaussing coil for this very reason. Neutralising the magnetic field of the vessel to avoid the risk of setting off some long forgotten magnetic mine buried in the mud.
@Temeluchas
3 жыл бұрын
Well, the latest report of damage caused by a ww2 sea mine I've seen was of 2005 - Dutch fishermen caught one in their nets and it exploded when they pulled it on the deck. As of mines that are just lurking - well, "Open Spirit" mine-sweeping exercises take place in the Baltics every year to this day. Typically, a couple of dozens ww1 and ww2 mines get destroyed every exercise. On the Black Sea (i live in Crimea) - ww2 mines are found and destroyed quite regularly (5-6 reports per year), and once or twice per year ww2 mines are washed on the beaches or are found within couple hundred meters. Basically, only such "close calls" cause any interest of the general public
Interesting design, especially how she looks amidships before the refitting. Not a bad looking ship.
Good to see the Regia Marina getting some love
Weird how the entire class shared the fate of being sunk in port.
@richardm3023
3 жыл бұрын
Some people are just homebodies. Can't be helped.
@WildBillCox13
3 жыл бұрын
There were some strange resonances, you bet. The Italian Zara class, too, suffered an oddly uniform fate . . . 3 of 4 sunk in a single action against Cunningham's battleships. I am also reminded of the Clemsons and their common demise: the Honda Point Disaster.
@angelofontana9656
3 жыл бұрын
@@WildBillCox13 Zara, Pola, Fiume sunk in Matapan. Zara, Pola, Fiume assign to Jugoslavia. Cuisers Trento, Gorizia, Bolzano and Trieste loss after Matapan. Trento, Gorizia, Bolzano and Trieste was italian cities
@Taz_XE076
2 жыл бұрын
@@angelofontana9656 Interesting observation... I'm not a believer, but that smells of divine intervention
@angelofontana9656
2 жыл бұрын
@@Taz_XE076 the city of Zara(Zadar), Pola and Fiume (Rijeka) was lost to Jugoslavia in 1947
A genuinely underrated navy and fortunately under utilised un the 2nd World War
@redshirt5126
3 жыл бұрын
World of warships players: "First time?"
@VersusARCH
3 жыл бұрын
Needs fuel to be used. Italy had no oil fields. Just whatever imports they stockpiled before the war. And Romanian oil fields were not sufficient to cover even the German needs.
@joejan246
3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful ships the Italians made, the problem with was there was a bunch of Italians sailing them.
@KillBones
3 жыл бұрын
Italians and Frenchs navies have sadly the best looking and underrated ships
@luigigenoni5944
10 ай бұрын
@@joejan246and you are wrong. italian navy performed in a quite competent way. in 1940 british could fight seeing puglia form far, in 1942 thry could not leave northern african seas. of course they will never admit that globally talking italian navy won the convoya war. but historians are starting to write about that impartially.
The war is over! German mine: I decide when its over!
@colinlook5237
3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the German mine took Italys side change personally ;)
@firestorm165
3 жыл бұрын
@@colinlook5237 on the other hand it was flying under a Soviet flag at the time
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
"german mine"
@colinlook5237
3 жыл бұрын
@@firestorm165 I think the German mine does not mind destroying a soviet assets either
@Vespuchian
3 жыл бұрын
Mines do not care when or where their new friends appear, they give hugs just the same! Oh so friendly, those mines!
I can imagine the original internal layout. As little space as possible to hold the machinery, just enough bunker space for fuel to carry the ship the length of the Mediterranean, the minimal (if that) amount of space to berth the crew and the stores they need, and the other 75% the magazines for all those guns.
The Italians created some beautiful warships and liners, they were built light for speed.
The modernized ships became gorgeous.
Italian battleships were always so good looking. Fantastic video as always Drach.
last time I was this early ramming was the main naval tactic
Pls Drach, Alighieri is pronounced "A-Lee-g-(like the g in "grand")-ee-è-ree"
@Drachinifel
3 жыл бұрын
Well, one out four badly wrong isn't too bad :D
@tfs203
3 жыл бұрын
Calm Down. Nobody complains when most ppl butcher the "Prinz Eugen" or 90% of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Itll be OK.
@benbaselet2026
3 жыл бұрын
@@tfs203 Wait what? Which internet have you been using where nobody complains about some pronounciations? :D
@Kevin_Kennelly
3 жыл бұрын
Cut scene from "Life of Brian". Drach learns to conjugate. *Centurion:* What's this then? 'Romanes Eunt Domus'? 'People called Romanes they go the house'? *Drach:* It says 'Romans go home.' *Centurion:* No it doesn't. What's Latin for 'Roman'? Come on!
@darrellsmith4204
3 жыл бұрын
@@tfs203 Ah yes... the good old Prince Eugene.
Fun timing. Just yesterday, I was talking with my colleagues at a naval base about the current Conte de Cavour, a carrier that just (February 28, 2021) left Norfolk for flight testing of the new flight deck with the F-35.
@FirstDagger
3 жыл бұрын
The carrier in question is named just Cavour for anybody wanting to look that up.
"So how did you die, Captain?" "Torpedoed by Swordfish torpedo planes." "And you couldn't outrun them?"
Did nobody mention to the Soviets that it's supposed to be bad luck to change a ships name.
@nathanbrown8680
3 жыл бұрын
The people who did were declared reactionary capitalist dogs and died in Siberian camps.
I may be alone in this, but I've always thought Italian ships had some of the prettiest lines of any country's vessels. Clean, long, sweeping, elegant, very classy.
This got released in the middle of the italian BB event from WOWS *coincidence? I think not*
Andrea Doria will always be my favorite battleship design wise. But the Conte Di Cavor’s were very close behind!
The Regina Marina is my favourite navy. You have to love "Make it a killer...And it must be beautiful." I believe it was officially mandated the ships had to look beautiful.
Excellent video! Italian battleships have always been some of my all time favorites. The Cavour sisters, had they been under competent leadership and had properly made ammo, could’ve been very formidable opponents in WWII.
After the refit they are some really good looking ships
I've always thought it was a master stroke to sacrifice the Q turrent for additional boilers. Fuso and Ise would have been more useful battleships IMO if they had done likewise.
Making a new bow infront of the old one, now that is a novel approach to adding more belt armor.. :D
@ONECOUNT
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the British did this to their WW1 battleships and battle cruisers, new Atlantic bows, suppression of the midships turrets, new propulsion machinery and boilers, and plenty of dp guns in the 4.5 to 5 inch range. I dont know if the British guns can be bored out like the Italians. But if they could 12.6, 14 and 15 inch would be the result.
@stevevalley7835
3 жыл бұрын
They took a more conventional approach with the Andrea Dorias, taking the original bow off, before building the new one.
There's a joke about Leonardo da Vinci 'changing sides' to be had somewhere...
Just recently got Conte di Cavour in WoWS and this video about her and her class is perfect
@thomaszinser8714
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, Cavour is definitely a pretty fun machine, ngl. I do prefer the Andrea Doria, personally, but yeah.
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
@@thomaszinser8714 the new italian ships aren't that bad at all
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
3 жыл бұрын
@@thomaszinser8714 Oh definitely gonna go for Andrea Doria next
@orzorzelski1142
3 жыл бұрын
Did you get her in AL? She's a cutie!
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
3 жыл бұрын
@@orzorzelski1142 yes
I love Refiting there ships in Hoi4 as Italyp layer. It ticks me all the right ways when 28kts Conte de Cavor sails mediterenian , armed with 16inch guns and blasts everything to piecies :D
Новороссийск (novo-ross-see-isk) is basically 'New Russian', the highly original name of a city on the Black Sea coast that in the 19th century became a base for the Tsar's Black Sea fleet. I hope the Soviets were pleased with their prize!
@ringowunderlich2241
3 жыл бұрын
Well, it was one of two relatively modern BB's USSR ever had. The other had been the Lend & Lease Royal Sovereign. Not counting the modernized Gangut-class pieces of scrap metal.
@Ugly_German_Truths
3 жыл бұрын
Still not worse than all the "Riverplaces" like Jenniseisk etc or the ultimate naming the Russians ever invented "Vladivostok"... ruler of the east. GAH!
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
Shhhh Da comrade totally german mine..... totally not Decima MAS.
@janvanv
3 жыл бұрын
Probably as much satisfied when they bought the entire production line for the nice old Fiat 124 some decades later...And they loved then and now the VAZ 2101...it was better than anything they had at the time.
@slavkovalsky1671
3 жыл бұрын
Novorossiysk is anything but a safe haven for ships (sailing or modern alike). Because of its geography, it is vulnerable to Cat 4-5 hurricane-force winds (locally known by their German name Nord-Ost - yes, that's a Russian word now, too - the Northeasterlies) which have been known to decimate ships in the harbour there, including a large-ish Russian squadron of battleships and frigates in the 18th century, and sinking a few relatively modern ships, mostly merchantmen, more recently. Novorossiysk (the city) lies fairly close to the foothills of the Caucasus, where colder heavier air accumulates. When triggered by the right/wrong kind of conditions, this air mass gets pushed towards Novorossiysk, displacing warmer air and accelerating on the way down, which generates dangerous wind speeds, a sharp temperature drop of 20-some degrees C, and dangerous waves near the coast there. Ships are strongly advised to leave the port when this happens, while local residents would be wise to stay indoors for a few days, until this whole thing literally blows over. This weather phenomenon is very localised - the weather can stay relatively calm just a dozen miles up or down the coast. I'm assuming this is why Russia has been so hell-bent on acquiring (and re-acquiring) the Crimea for the past 300-plus years - it just has the best harbours (mostly Sevastopol).
Well done Drach! Great 6 min guide
Well, that was fairly mental, bringing a capsize into dry dock upside down and declaring "we will make her even better than before"
I've always thought (after extensive refit) they were a handsome ship, well balanced and pleasing to the eye. Probably my second favorite next to America's "Big Five" in the looks department.
4:23 12.6" happens to be the nice, round 320 mm. (The old 12" is 305 mm.)
@VRichardsn
3 жыл бұрын
I love the metric system #thanksNapoleon
No notification,just saw the video on the home page
@Paludion
3 жыл бұрын
Same here. ^^ I make sure to open a youtube page at this hour every saturday.
@mikehall4121
3 жыл бұрын
Odd. I miss the emails KZread used to send me but the notifications for everything I'm subscribed do turn up (actually pop up) on my PC without fail (plus they are also there if you click on the bell at the top of a KZread the page in my browser). When I'm using my tablets the situation is less satisfactory but a notification icon still appears at the top of the screen.
@eduardocharlier7560
3 жыл бұрын
Un click the bell then click it again, if that doesn't work unsubscribe then resubscribe
The Italians love their guns. Their next destroyer will have 3 x 76mm and one 5in, and all with PGM-smarty ammunition.
@leftcoaster67
3 жыл бұрын
They are like Americans just with more style, and better food.
@blueboats7530
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but will they all work?
@jamesharding3459
3 жыл бұрын
@@blueboats7530 In the 21st century, no one does naval guns like the Italians.
Giulio Cesare: That Limey battleship is still out of range. HMS Warspite: Which would you prefer as a parting gift, sir? Tea? Grog? How about a nice 15" AP shell?
From ugly ducklings in WWI to Milanese glamour queens in WWII.
Dear Dr Felton; are you aware of the Gaspee incident? It happened about a year before the "Boston Tea Party". As a native of Cranston Rhode Island, It is a local legend and the pub that factored into it still exists in an neighborhood called Pawtuxet Village. The local version has it that the perpetrators, being a bunch of fisherman/smugglers/rum runners, getting pissed in the pub decided to exact some revenge on The Crown. The legend strays from the Wikipedia version of events that indicates the men were Revolutionary War Patriots. But the local version is much more entertaining. The Legend is also much more plausible then the Wiki version when you consider that the whole event took place in less then one turn of the tide
Nice to see this while the Italian BBs are on early access.
The perfect compliment to my coffee
What a pleasing symmetry these ships have!
Another entertaining and informative video. On a different tack I was catching up on some videos from before I started watching the channel and saw the HMS Nelson one which talks about the innovative approach to torpedo defence the RN used to get around the displacement limits in the Washington Naval Treaty, and I thought...I would love to see a video on the Science and Technology of Torpedo Defence Systems, the different approaches taken in battleship design, and how they work to mitigate damage.
Conte di Cavour basically small example how modern light (or heavy)weight torpedo will do to battleship
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Jingles releases a WOW video featuring an Italian battleship and the next day Drach does an Italian battleship. 🤔
I am actually very impressed with the four reconstructed Italian battleships. In their reconstructed state, they were far superior to the French Courbet and Bretagne class battleships they were expected to encounter, and with the exception of main battery firepower were superior to the British "R" class battleships as well.
@NguyenThanh-gs5zv
3 жыл бұрын
The reconstruction was considerably good as cost overhaul them was not huge as Italian navy thought, but for their mistakes, that they shouldn't spend more on rebuilt Andrea Doria-class, its cost further plus the budgets could have use to complete the rest of Littorio-class without restraint or delays.
@bkjeong4302
3 жыл бұрын
@@NguyenThanh-gs5zv Why even bother with the Littorios instead of building more land-based torpedo bomber squadrons?
Extreme makeover- battle ship edition!
Fine looking ships before and after their refits
How about a guide to the USN Mississippi class, The USS Mississippi BB-23 and the USS Idaho BB-24? Lots of opportunity for snark at the US Congress and a long history.
@stevevalley7835
3 жыл бұрын
Very true. Newspaper accounts at the time had plenty to say about Senator Hale's influence in getting these ships built, and the criticism of them in the press was blistering.
A broadside from 13 main guns would seriously wreck your day.
@Kevin-mx1vi
3 жыл бұрын
Errmm, its an Italian ship. Quality control of the shells left something to be desired so accuracy wasn't a strong feature, hence the need to put lots of ordnance downrange on the principle of "throw enough mud at the wall......" 😁
@kmech3rd
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mx1vi Yes, it is the Italian equivalent of a Nock Volley Gun. Can't deny. But on paper that's still a US worthy number of guns. I can't think of a ship mounting a greater number.
@NguyenThanh-gs5zv
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mx1vi Joke aside, they want bigger guns but Italy still lack ability to produce big naval guns without British assistance and economy was meh, so 13 guns 305mm guns make up for it
@phoenixjz4782
3 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-mx1vi Wrong era. The practice of loose shell tolerances started in the 1930s and ended in 1937, which is well before the production of the 305/46 shells and charges, so when the ships had the 13-gun arrangement (WWI up to 1933) this wasn't really an issue.
@gamarus0kragh
3 жыл бұрын
@@kmech3rd There is the (in)famous Gin Palace (Agincourt) with her 7x2 12". But she is the only one exceeding the Italians
RN Swordfishes: we're going to end this ships whole career.
It's incredible the amount of work the Italians put to refit those dreadnoughts. One has to wonder if they shouldn't have built new ships instead... Nevertheless, they were still a credible threat in WW2 as Drach said, unlike the Revenge class, for example. Edit : so much work for the Conte di Cavour, just to be sunk in port...
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but at least the Giulio Cesare survived, plus the Conte Di Cavour at least was refloated, she was scrapped only because of the armistice in 1943, the original plan was to upgrade her with better AA and radar and come back to service in 1944
@giovannifavullo7065
3 жыл бұрын
They decided to refit the ship because they didn't feel building a new ship under the naval teatries and hoped that the refits would cost less than a new whole class, which by many was not the case
@stevevalley7835
3 жыл бұрын
That thought has crossed my mind too. If the money, labor and material used on the four rebuilds had been applied to the Littorios instead, they may have completed all four. By US/UK standards, the time needed to complete the first two Littorios was exceptionally long.
@NguyenThanh-gs5zv
3 жыл бұрын
@@giovannifavullo7065 Actually rebuilt two Conte di Cavour were cost less than they thought, but rebuilt pair of Andrea Doria-clsas was a big big mistakes, it suck out their budgets that could have finish the rest Littorio-class.
@giovannifavullo7065
3 жыл бұрын
@@NguyenThanh-gs5zv Yhea I was talking of the refits as a whole
Thhe Cavour class were definitely the prettiest refitted batteships ever (most have a Frankensteinish air); with the possible exception of the West Virginia.
Yesterday I got to hear Jingles trying to pronounce the Francesco Caracciolo "correctly" and today we get an another imperial bastard going for the Conte di Cavour. What a glorious week this is ;-)
Skiping the first round spared the Italians duds, like the Courbets or Radetzkys. So possibly the smartest move of the Era.
The portable guns is an interesting idea, not sure if that would be helpful, or how they'd look in the portable mode
@legogenius1667
3 жыл бұрын
I pictured guns on rails being pushed around by sailors and laughed when he said that XD Not sure if that's how it worked, but funny either way.
@kemarisite
3 жыл бұрын
Navweaps.com describes these guns as being transferrable, with the 14 (Cavour) or 19 (Duillio) guns provided with 30 or 39 center pivot mounts the guns could be installed on. These are located on the turret roofs, forecastle, and upper works. The guns weigh over a ton, so it would presumably require either quite a few men or some heavy equipment to move them from one mount to another.
I think I just got whiplash from Italian shipyard schedules
Italians "we have new ships " Warspite enters (boss music)
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
The Conte Di Cavour fought the Warspite and survived, the Giulio Cesare fought her at least 2 times and survived the entire war, not really a boss music moment
@sandycaspillo6731
Жыл бұрын
Italian Human Tropedoes enters (boss music)
Awesome
A rather elegent floating device i say.
The Divinchi did it best Mitsu impression
It would be interesting to see a history of the USS Alabama BB-60.
Damn, one of the ships was afloat for 40+ years, not bad!
Weird no notice, it just appeared Amazing video as always
*"Kono ichigeki, zesshou ni arazu!"*
Blew up while loading the ammunition, my Italian side “yep that sounds like us”
Can we get a video on the IJN Shinano? I dont think you did one on that carrier yet
I like their look for WWII.
3:40 "I'm not sure you understand how drydocks work."
They turned an obsolete 22kt dreadnought into a slow version of the Alaska Class.
Bravo!....Bravo!
Italian build a sexy looking ship which also able to sinks spectacularly
How convenient, this video was made just as these ships were released in WOWs 🤔
Is it just me or do the Italian dreadnaughts look like they could compete with their contemporaries
Hit a old German mine in 1957. Talk about ghosts from the past.
It took me a while to understand the ship shown at 0:34 is indeed one (!) ship
I have a 1/400th scale model of this ship.
good as always
Leave it to the Italians to get a ship into drydock upside down! 😜 Seriously, that was like quite a tricky thing to do. Ironically, when raising any ship in drydock, there comes a point where the ship is at risk of rolling over (if memory serves, righting arm goes to zero, as metacentric height comes down to Cg.) If the ship isn't stabilized correctly, a slight breeze at the right time could push her over. As the dock rises further and her weight is on the blocks (not supported by water,) she's stable, and this risk is past. Bottom line: this is a very Dystopian scene-hence very noteworthy-for anyone with basic drydock experience.
@77thTrombone
3 жыл бұрын
P.S. I'd like to know how they proposed to get her out.
@phoenixjz4782
3 жыл бұрын
@@77thTrombone This should help provide some context to the operation; www.researchgate.net/publication/342053739_The_Footprints_of_the_Wreckage_of_the_Italian_Royal_Navy_Battleship_Leonardo_Da_Vinci_on_the_Mar_Piccolo_Sea-Bottom_Taranto_Southern_Italy
So nice.
Hmm...coincidence that WoWs released Italian BB's now with her?
Maybe some video about french heavy cruisers ? And spanisch Canarias class ? Great work by the way.
I just wish they could have had all 3 refitted, They managed to rise the sunk one from the dead only to scrap her. I just wish she could have had a second chance after being raised, she shouldn’t have been scrapped.
I wonder whether if the Queen Elizabeths had undergone a similar lenghtening of the bow (in the same period) would they reach their design speed of 25 kn more easily?
The real problem with Italian Warships was the Naval Leadership! The ships were pretty well designed for their mission, and despite some pretty good individual officers and men, ( the Italian Frogmen who attacked the British battleships come to mind) the leadership was not up to the quality of their ships!
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
The Italian leadership was perfectly capable. Even Iachino the dud while a cruiser admiral that was promoted above his pay grade advocated for the gufo radar prewar. The hero Campioni was waiting for the littorio classes and refused to engage unless he could be sure of a advantage as any losses by italy could not be replaced while the british could. The lack of aggression people think of was really only for capital units smaller units like destroyer and torpedo boat (frigate) captains were very agressive often charging enemy ships of Superior strength. Bergamini that died with roma was the one who designed much if the impressive fcs systems of the regia marina he also complained about shell quality pre war. The only dud in italian naval leadership was the minister of the navy tbh and if u think of it from his pov pre war you have the best traditional rangefinder and fcs technology probably in the world you would be hesitant to adopt a new untested technology he said as much to his prewar letter to iachino when iachino inquired about gufo.
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWmItsayds3fdZM.html drac talks about the spica class there
Engagingly engaging in engagement
Before the video begins and purely off the name. Scrapped, not preserved Edit: Was right but in the wrong way, I didn't recognise the names and thought they were Brazilian oops
@Lowkeh
3 жыл бұрын
𝒯ℯ𝒶, 𝓔𝓪𝓻𝓵 𝓖𝓻𝓮𝔂, 𝒽ℴ𝓉. *Edit:* (Tea, Earl Grey, hot.) Welp, that came out looking tiny on my end. Just a silly Star Trek reference to Capt. Jean-Luc Picard. *Edit #2:* Come to think of it; it would've been more fitting in a USS _Enterprise_ video. Oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My opinion too they probably
Nice and interesting
After the major refit, they don’t even look like the same ships
@TheAngelobarker
3 жыл бұрын
They really weren't lol almost all of the old ship was removed and rebuilt.
Have to remember RN doesn't mean Royal Navy.
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
RN means Regia Nave (Royal Ship)
3:20 Is it me, or does the triple gun looks like it is floating?
@GaldirEonai
3 жыл бұрын
It does. I suspect the picture has been retouched, either to make it look better or to edit out something the censors didn't want the public to see. This happened with a lot of pictures of warships in the WW1 era.
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
@@GaldirEonai I think it's just a towel that covers the stern, it's normal on ships when they aren't in war service, they put them when the sun hit hard so the crew can work better
@DERP_Squad
3 жыл бұрын
@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat I think you're probably right, but it does look very odd. Like half the front face of the turret is... missing.
@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat
3 жыл бұрын
@@DERP_Squad nha that's probably just a effect of the photo
@DERP_Squad
3 жыл бұрын
@@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat Oh, I know, just looks odd.
Great looking ships. Funny in Russian service she hit an old German mine?!