I was searching for DSP 9632 info and came across this. Good video and yes, @ £650 the 56 was a budget interface. Mind you, not a bad one. Firewire (support) is alive and well on Linux, surprisingly.

Great video!

Thanks heaps for the info!! I only need 2 in 2 out, its the latency or lack thereof I really need, and this has helped me confirm the AIO, I have 3 tracks on a windows XP PC PC I need to finish before I can move to my new win 10 DAW, and that card will run in either , so thanks again for the confirmation ~ Cheers! ~Ht

Well... I finally learnt something today, good video! ADAT has always confused and you've made sense of that now! In theory could I use my old Edirol UA-1000 as an I/O for the RayDAT? Haven't fire is up in years but hope it could still serve that one function maybe? My main research leading to PCI initially came from MIDI issues but I'm loving the idea of trying RME, sounds like the way to go.

Hey Adam, firstly.. Thanks for the content you provide. Its always useful! Anyway, Whats your opinion on running either a A&H zed 420 or... Soundcraft lx7ii 24ch into a couple of synced behringer ada8200s converters via adat into an rme raydat 36i/o. I make hip-hop tunes so i use the ins and outs mainly at line level, not as much mic usage/rec as band recording. Thanks, G

I’m presently inquiring about changing my big analog mixer for a more compact digital mixer. Most have AES XLR type connector outputs, how do you connect this with a RME card with AES/EBU ? My studio setup is hybrid, a ton of analog gear plugged in to a big analog mixer with the subgroups routed in 2 MOTU 2408mk3.

Lol I just watched the whole video and I’ve owned a Raydat pcie for a year. I’m just on the floor rearranging some things and installing another m.2 drive. Wondered what speed slot the RME should go in and somehow this popped up and o watched the whole thing despite living the video everyday. RME PCIE ftw! Also, don’t forget!! RME implemented their own midi handling through the RAYDAT pcie and other pcie interfaces. THIS MEANS ITS NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE SHORTCOMINGS OF USB MIDI JITTER. So all those external midi boxes people sell to fix those issues that cost $200-400... just buy one of these and you’re set with so many other features. It’s also a relatively cheap upgrade for the TCO option to go word clock, and with the aes or spdif options you’ll be flying 192khz in no time (for what reason I do not not know, but hey, sometimes you just gotta flex on 44khz.) I personally got mine when I realized that Mac pcs were not the cutting edge anymore for audio and too overpriced. But I had an apogee symphony MK1... doesn’t work with Windows. Except it does work as a stand-alone converter. Again, Raydat for the win. Didn’t have to sell a $2500 converter at a huge loss just for a format change. It’s absofuckinglutely heaven. I just wish RME had more of a reputation for mastering. I’d take the plunge since their gear is so stable. I’ve never had an interface just. Plain. Work. Like this one. Over a year and not a single headache ever. But the snobby clients that know want to see a big name box they can gush over... show them 2-3U of shiny metal and Alps switches and they lose their minds... I’ve done null tests with my akai mpc live and the apogee symphony. Not much of a different at 24 bit 48khz. Nothing anyone would seriously notice except with straight square wave synths or stuff pushing the limits of any converters slew rate. Preamps make much more of a difference.

Way way way back you were the guy that convince me to go RME. We might have started at the same time. ;)

@adamsteelproducer

2 жыл бұрын

Cool! I’m still using the RayDAT as my studio centerpiece…

@Lordxfx

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer I'm on the AIO.. Now looking into RME converters, hurts a bit.

what 2 chanel preamp do you recommand for a rme hdspe aio tu record and play my guitar ? thanks

do you know what the data transfer rate is of the AES/EBU cable used on the RME RAYDAT?

Hey Adam, is there a way you share your computer specs and maybe result with a software like LatencyMon.

Hello, maybe you can help me. I used my RME HDSPe RAydat interface on windows 7. It worked perfectly with the Apogee AD16x and DA16 converters. My PC has a problem. They installed Windows 10. I installed the RME Raydat Driver, for windows 10. Now, RME Raydat is not communicating with the Apogee AD16, DA16 converters. I do not understand. Is there something missing to install? Does it not work correctly with windows 10? If you can give me a light, I appreciate it. Cheers.

Hey there. Im now at the Point where my old Babyface is not enough. I want more ins and even lower latency. So well. I am interested in the Raydat. But there is more i need to get my home studio upgraded. I ´ll need a ADAT Converter with better converters than my babyface has. Not quite sure if the ADA8200 will do the job. And i would like to connect my active speakers and my headphones to a device on my desk. i loved the babyface standing right next to my computer keyboard with the big knob. i think i might miss that. Do you have any ideas so i don´t accidently downgrade my studio?

dude! how do you get the sound out via ADAT to your monitors and/or headphone amps? sure I know ADAT for extending inputs but never had to think about the other way around which becomes necessary when only having the converters at PCIe :-) great videos by the way, love from germany

I'm digging your videos, man. I too am trying to get away from Firewire right now. My issue is that I'm running a decked out 5,1 cheesegrater Mac with 2x3.46Ghz 6 core processors with 64G of RAM, which is awesome for the video work I do. I would get the trashcan Mac, but Apple is supposed to be releasing something modular next year and I'd rather wait to see what direction they go. All in all, the computer I have is fine except for the fact that it doesn't have Thunderbolt. Apple had the technology, but they didn't include it because they wanted everyone to upgrade to the trashcan. Anyway, I digress. The new Apollos just barely came out, and I think they are smokin'. I've been considering the 1st Gen Apollos which are FireWire with a Thunderbolt 2 or 3 option card, so they're kind of future proof, but I wouldn't mind picking up one of the brand new ones that would last me years and years. I also have a Macbook pro that I use for remote stuff, and having an all in one interface is very useful for it. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that I want to upgrade my interface, the Apollos seem like great interfaces, from what I hear their converters are top notch, better than what would come in the ProTools HD systems that ran you $10,000. I'd probably just want to run ADAT from the Apollo to the RayDAT to achieve faster transfer speeds and that way I wouldn't have to go out and get a set of separate converters. What do you think? Do you have any suggestions on converters or a good setup for me?

just add in your opinion is the AIO a better choice to the slightly older Digi face with pcie card?

Hey Adam, I know this is an old subject but I was wondering if you could tell me how you are routing your speakers? My MOTU 828mk3 keeps crashing(rubbish windows driver support, last update was 2015) and I was thinking of buying the raydat. I would like to keep using my MOTU slaved via adat to the RME, can I still use the main outs on the MOTU if I route thru adat? Thanks man, if you could answer me this riddle as I can't find anything out there about this I would be well happy!

Anyone know the best place to find these cards in the States? ..The only places I have found are quite expensive... Which cards should I be looking at?

I'm wondering what kind of latency you can achieve with effects on a track while recording. And how many plugins are possible while still having acceptable latency. I'm thinking of using stuff like Autotune and distortion. Thanks for the videos!

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Devin Brines that all depends on which plugins you have and whether they themselves have Inbuilt latency. Check PDC for more info

Do you use ADAT clocking or do you use an external clock to sync the outboard converters? It looks like the RayDat does not come with BNC word clock without buying an expansion board.

@bandsonline

7 жыл бұрын

Adam Steel that's the info I was looking for! The Rayday card and word clock option have just been ordered through Sweetwater. Thank You for your help and the video!

What an awesome piece of tech :) May I ask how many PCIe lanes it requires though? Only the main card has to be plugged in a slot right? how many lanes is it? x1 or x4?

@adamsteelproducer

3 жыл бұрын

X1, only one port

@hanzsantos

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer appreciate the reply, thanks man and hope that baby of yours goin strong till today :)

What vendor and type is your motherboard ? What about the audio sound like the freq. range of the whole bandwidth response?

@adamsteelproducer

6 жыл бұрын

+Adv. M ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero

hey I have stainberg mr816 and its single adat can carry 8 channels but only up to 48khz, it drops to four channels at 96khz (max sample rate of mr816). it is same for raydat? or can you have all 8channels via single adat port at max resolution?

@adamsteelproducer

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same for any ADAT device anywhere. They can’t fit any more data through

Why didn't you go with lynx studio?

is an RME Raydat the best way to eliminate latency to record at high resolutions? Your review sounds amazing makes me what to switch from my usb mbox 3. So just curious, would this setup work, neumann----->avalon 737--->rosetta 800 --->rme raydat ? and for speakers playback you go back out the rme raydat spdif to the monitors? sorry i dont have a clue how to connect the rosetta/raydat setup... thanks for the review!

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Louis Melancon that sounds like a setup that would work well! I go back out of the raydat through an octopre mk2 to my monitors, if the Rosetta 800 has outputs you could use that, or if your speakers have a digital input that's even better. As long as everything is set to use the same clock, it's like putting lego togethet

@louismelancon79

7 жыл бұрын

thanks alot for the reply :) , thanks for the videos!

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Louis Melancon no problem, thanks for watching!

Hello Adam, I purchased a RayDAT after looking at you videos. I was wondering, do you monitor through Reaper while recording, or through the RME TotalMix? Monitoring through Reaper unfortunately I still get quite a bit of latency at 64 samples. Also, do you use the word clock expansion for your RayDAT. Thank you and keep the great vids coming!

@adamsteelproducer

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ray! Yes I do monitor through reaper, but I’m careful not to use any plugins whilst tracking that add any extra latency. I track at 128 sample latency and drummers can’t hear it, but if I add a VST anywhere with PDC (like for example Slate’s Virtual Tape Machine) that can add its own latency and cause but delay problems. You can find out which tracks have extra latency in reaper’s performance window (ctrl Alt P)

@rayve777

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Thank you so much! :)

Do you need to get expansion to get analog outs. I saw one on website

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Aleksa Alaica the analog expansions stopped production a long time ago, and only went up to 48khz. I looked into this as well but you can't find them anywhere and 96khz is something I use a lot

Should look into a master clock antelope ,,they are cheap now. Makes big difference..

@adamsteelproducer

3 жыл бұрын

It’s been proven time and again that master clocks cannot improve the performance of a system, because the limiting factor is the ability of the external devices to track to that clock

Hi, I have a Focusrite isa 828 connected via optical cable to Hammerfall HDSP 9652 into Windows 7 to Tracktion 7 DAW.problem is I don't know what I need to connect to my studio monitors to listen to what we are recording or playing back.Any help greatly appreciated.

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Paul Farnell hi Paul, it sounds like you've got the makings of a great setup there. Unfortunately you don't have anything with a DAC, so as of now no way to play anything back, you will need to add outputs to the system. What could you spend? A behringer ada8200 would to the job in the short term giving you 8 outputs (maybe not use the preamps as they're pants, but useful as extras) but something like a Mytek DAC would work well if you have some more budget.

@paulfarnell9071

7 жыл бұрын

Adam, Thankyou for the quick reply.At present I have a Mackie 1620 with firewire which works fine but adding the focusrite for better quality has presented the problem of ditching the firewire.I can't see anyway to use both inputs simultaneously with Tracktion it's either or.I will probably get the Behringer to find my way round then invest in something better later.Much obliged for your help, Paul F.

one last question, what s better raydat or aes 32? thanks!

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Louis Melancon they are just as good as each other, it depends if your external converters provide ADAT or AES, simple as that

Hi Adam, i am freaking out , your review is just great and is exactly hitting bulls eye on my issues with latency and pops and clicks, so i am now going for this solution, DO i understand this correctly , ADAT transfer 8 tracks in each pipes only right? so having 4 in and 4 out gives 4x8 I/O correct, i cant find how the routing going, each device have its own cable/pipes to the raydat, does this mean the raydat is considered as the hmmm what is it called the device by itself and summing up the 4x8 into one device the DAW can use ?, if that is the case how high sample rate can be achieved ( i mean if daisy chained it goes 8 ch @192 15 ch@96 and so on right ?) if all getting summed by the raydat can a higher sample rate be achieved ex i have 3-4 units that can run 96K on ADAT is that realistically to run it into raydat ?? sorry if my question is confusing , but i am confusing up my own brain over this !!, and again thanks a million times for the great videos. i keep looking them over again and again it also seems there isn't much on this subject except your

@adamsteelproducer

5 жыл бұрын

Hey! Yes that’s right, with 8 channels per Adat port that’s 32 in, 32 out (at 44 or 48) then 16 at 96 and 8 at 192, although you also need external devices that support 96 or 192kHz over ADAT (personally I don’t use 192 ever). And yes, you can use more than one Raydat card together in a system, you just have to get an internal sync cable which usually comes with them so they work perfectly at the same time

@sabasstudiomedan5850

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Hi Adam awesome !! thanks for the speedy reply really appreciated. Rgds Carsten

@carstenelly

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Hi Adam. just want to give you a BIG shout out, i am up and running with the Raydat, and IT IS freaking awesome, i am running 16 in @ 96KHz as a summing from my 32 channel mixer where i have 16 busses available, the highest latenzy i have seen is 0,7 ms @ 96KHz..... hey thanks a lot this makes a whole world of difference for me. Keep up the good work i really enjoy looking your videos, i am even in the midst of going to start checking out Reaper, haven't found the awesomeness yet probably because there is so much that can be modified in Reaper. thanks again Cheers. Carsten Indonesia.

hi what sort of latency figures are you getting with the card at the lowest buffer settings and 96k? thanks!

@adamsteelproducer

5 жыл бұрын

Hey! At 96k I’m getting buffer setting of 64 or 32 depending on the load, and latency of about 1-2ms round trip

@ConstantinoOfficial

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying! That's great, I've just pulled the trigger on the rme AIO! at these buffer settings and Sample rate can you still run a whole session without cracks and Pops?

@adamsteelproducer

5 жыл бұрын

Up to your machine specs! For me, I run a full mix on a 6700k at 96 at 256 samples, which is still fine to record with imo

Hi, r u running windows 10 with it? what DAW software u use ? any troubls with wordclock ? do u do any wordclock connections? thnks

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Miguel Azevedo hi Miguel. I'm running windows 7, 10 is fine but was messing with my old FireWire card, just not changed back. No trouble with wordclock, I've since bought the WCM wordclock add-in card and use it to sync an Octopre Mk2 and my vintage Yamaha dmc1000 desk

@azevedo666

7 жыл бұрын

+Hop Pole Studios can i send u an email ? Where to?

@adamsteelproducer

7 жыл бұрын

+Miguel Azevedo if it's a business email, you can use the form on our website hoppolestudio.co.uk

@azevedo666

7 жыл бұрын

+Hop Pole Studios i would like to ask something about the Rme but i would like to attach a photo

What's up Adam! How does the RayDAT compare to the Fireface UFX+ in terms of latency performance? I've heard the UFX+ is like their flagship product.

@adamsteelproducer

2 жыл бұрын

The RayDat has lower latency performance because it’s connected directly to the PCIe bus with no middle man- the fire face is considered a flagship because it has all the different elements (dac, preamps etc) in one box but the RayDat is better for what I do- it’s just a far more specialist niche since you need all the preamps/ADC separately as well

@josepalomares3763

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Do you think it would be a downgrade for you to switch to the UFX+? Maybe it's too many inputs and outputs for your studio? Or maybe you rather add the preamps of your choice? Thanks for taking the time to reply.

@adamsteelproducer

2 жыл бұрын

It would be a downgrade for me because of additional latency. The RayDat allows me 36 in 36 out (all of which are populated) so there’s no reason at all for me to switch to an external device with less IO and higher latency

@josepalomares3763

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer So who's the target market for these 94 in/94 out interfaces like the UFX+?

@adamsteelproducer

2 жыл бұрын

No idea. Someone with a MacBook? Or live sound capture at big shows? It’s not really 94 unless you start throwing madi devices into it, then the cost gets silly. But I guess anything’s possible There’s also the HDSPe Madi FX which can do 390 channels. No idea who that’s for either

Do you still use the same card today?

@adamsteelproducer

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! There’s nothing that’s come along to replace it

@dougleydorite

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer I’ve made a huge mistake in getting Apollo twin x. Can’t bypass preamps and no digital out… and I told myself the Apollo would be the last one for a long time.. a year later and I want to go pcie to avoid these dilemmas

I'm really late watching this video, but I can second your cringing over ADAT on VHS tapes. I can sum up my experience working with three of them chained together thusly: Melting tapes being hurled out of the recorders across the room. That's all. *pukes*

Frankly, my personal experience with Focusrite interfaces is, that their drivers are almost complete garbage. They're not stable, they get buffer underruns when you look at them wrong and their driver updates can make things worse as well as better... I never recommend their interfacces to anyone who wants something that works :) I've had MOTU 828MKII for some years now, bough it used for cheap and despite some issues with their drivers when it comes to sample rate changes and how it (doesn't) deals with them, the drivers worked on Windows 7 nicely and they're stable. But RME drivers are completely different class, they always have been and RME is proud of their engineering teams for making the best drivers out there for a reason. So the crackling and other issues you had with liquid sapphire might be because their drivers are utter bull, not necessarily because of the FireWire itself :) But anyway, you've moved on so it doesn't really matter anymore :)