After 30 years in a hospital pharmacy it’s always telling how drug reps squirm when you note this about their studies. This is how they roll.

I read Pfizers paper on the trials when it came out in the New England Journal of Medicine almost 2 years ago. This was all obvious then just upon reading it. The problem is most people (unfortunately including doctors) don't actually read the papers and are therefore easily manipulated. Great and important discussion!

@y.cschmidlin8172

Жыл бұрын

Never trust the official narrative and alway do your own research. That is the bottom line

@findinghealingaftercancer

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I'm dreadful at maths but it was far from rocket science to understand the numbers.

@MK-ih6wp

Жыл бұрын

@@findinghealingaftercancer I'm bad at math too but even I was able to grok Relative vs Absolute Risk. I read the interim trial result PDF's on FDA's website. I sent the article to my family showing them there was more Bells Palsy in the jab group. My family got very upset with me and told me to STOP READING!!! They had already made up their minds about the shots, they did not want to year anything from me. They called it misinformation, even though it came from FDA.gov

@FL-dv7tq

Жыл бұрын

Nor would many tune into the public FDA approval meetings which were very informative. They are still available.

@cculb1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The level of incompetence, group think, and lack of critical thinking of doctors is absolutely stunning. It has personally made me focus much more on taking care of myself, because the thought of relying on these droids to help me is terrifying.

My grandfather asked me a question when I was a small boy. "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?" " "Five!" I said confidently. " Wrong" he said. "A tail is never a leg, no matter what you call it." Smart man.

@casesensitive1059

Жыл бұрын

🤞truth shouldn’t be twisted to fit a narrative, but by twisted truths politics thrive…

@Sir-Robalon

Жыл бұрын

LOL real good...

@tonyking9235

Жыл бұрын

WISE MAN . I BET LIKE ME HE WOULD NOT GO ALONG WITH THEM CALLING IT A VACCINE BECAUSE ITS NOT . ITS AN M.R.N.A EXPERIMENTAL DRUG. NOTHING LIKE A VACCINE.

@casesensitive1059

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyking9235 your comment is hidden

It is encouraging to me that so many people have viewed this show. It gives me hope. More and more people are removing their blinders. Your leaders are NOT acting in your best interest. We MUST understand that.

@rustybolts8953

Жыл бұрын

Who is paying who and for what. We expect our elected political people to act in our interests but are we willing to pay them? Special interests (also funded by the public one way or another) seem far more willing to cough up the funding. Are we the public willing to change this self defeating situation and PAY for it?

It’s absolutely fascinating to learn how the “experts” can manipulate the way the public thinks.

@pgtmr2713

Жыл бұрын

Big pharma became big tobacco with the govts. blessing. All of medicine and science backing up the bullshit for profit and/or political reasons.

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

The antivax cult show expertise in all forms of manipulation including data

@miles6910

Жыл бұрын

yeah, like focusing on absolute risks instead of relative risk.

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

@@miles6910 These types of data manipulation are happening more and more often. That is how cults such as antivax and flat earth are able to convince the weak minded that lies are truth. Sad world we live in

@miropribanic5581

Жыл бұрын

it is also amazing to see that during the pandemic the term "expert" has lost credibility and authority; instead it arouses suspicion and mistrust

A brilliant discussion. I remember in the early stages of vaccination, I was questioning every week with my sister who was very pro-vax and worked in the NHS. I studied the data supplied daily on deaths in NHS hospitals (therefore people needing treatment), yet even this was "with" covid, not "from" But my main question was, almost every day, 52% of the "deaths with covid" were in the over 80 age group. This was BEFORE any vaccination, during the early stages, and in the mid stages. When over 80% of over 80s had been vaccinated but only a very small number under 80, I asked: WHY was the percentage of those dying "with covid" STILL at 52%. Surely if the vaccine "worked" then the margin should have dropped? Surely very few over-80s should have been dying, resulting in the % below 80 rocketing? She couldn't understand the maths, blindly believed "it works", and just kept saying "give it time". Yet anyone who could read data could tell they weren't performing like we had been led to believe.

@JDT101

Жыл бұрын

You have a rare power, do not assume others share it - common sense.

@grahambarden7632

Жыл бұрын

A million people in the US died trying to get Natural Immunity without getting the vaccine first! The vast majority of deaths in the US was/is among the unvaccinated.

@conniepr

Жыл бұрын

@@JDT101 Yes, when you ASSUME you make an *ss out of me and you.

@warrenklein7817

Жыл бұрын

Short answer- we were lied to.

@Dominator9929

Жыл бұрын

Believe the expert...forget about your lieing eyes...smh...

John, i say this on every KZread video you upload... YOU are the legend and hero of this pandemic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge AND honesty. I am only 25 years old and the past 2 years your information and knowledge helped me to not take the vaccin, question the authority and learn from your medical expertise. I never trusted farmaceutical companies. Basically all companies nowadays are being managed by greedy as-sholes. Thanks again John. For me, you are the father I never had.

@johnl5316

Жыл бұрын

see THE GREAT BARRINGTON DECLARATION. See Stanford School of Medicine Prof J BHATTACHARYA & Oxford Prof Sunetra Gupta, & Harvard Prof Martin Kulldorff, all of whom were saying exactly this in summer of 2020 while John was denying what they were saying but what he has just discovered

@brucegough

Жыл бұрын

Another phony shill account

@avivavogelgabriel5482

Жыл бұрын

For people 65 and older, or people with health challenges, who face greatly higher risks of serious or fatal COVID infection than younger people, taking the vaccine has benefits that far outweigh NOT taking vaccinations and boosters, according to all these risk reduction measures and statistical analysis for these vulnerable populations.

@johnl5316

Жыл бұрын

@@avivavogelgabriel5482 and the real benefit lasts only about 5 months, unfortunately....continuing with booster after booster seems to have risks......so, that is life

@OTEAROA

Жыл бұрын

@@johnl5316 nice reply to Aviva Vogel Gabriel

Thank you to both of you for keeping the public informed so we can make decisions properly...unlike what the health authorities have done.

@stephenwilliams3213

Жыл бұрын

You do realise people in the MHRA etc do read the full studies and not just the introduction as John says. They don't also know how to read and understand the data. Most decent journal articles give full data tables etc Good scientist will look at them. THey do not need to be easy to read for the laymen as not meant for them. You can work out the figures yourself from the data tables even if not given.

@tluk1900

Жыл бұрын

How is Campbell keeping the public informed when thousands were discussing this exact same information two years ago please? Norman Fenton at least has presented his analysis over the past two years

@standfortruth4568

Жыл бұрын

@@tluk1900 also campbell peddled to the masses a shot with an absolute risk reduction of less than 1% .......wow thank you dr campbell you're so amazing lol

@richvid9814

Жыл бұрын

'New paradigm' moment as mRNA cancer vaccine developed by Covid shot maker Moderna slashes risk of tumor relapse or death in melanoma patients by 44%

@kammonkam4905

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenwilliams3213 The experts in the Sunnybrook hospital in Toronto just published a paper on the American Journal of Medicine purportedly shows a correlation between covid vaccine hesitancy and car crashes. They feature it proudly on their website, with the advice that people should get vaxxed because there may be other unforeseeable downsides for not getting vaxxed, such as car crashes. The Sunnybrook hospital is a top research hospital in Canada. This is not a satire from "anti vers". Check out its own website. Trust the experts.

Thank you Prof Fenton. I finally understand the difference between absolute risk and relative risk. Your explanation made it a no-brainer. Thank you.

@paultraynorbsc627

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

@esecallum

Жыл бұрын

what took you so long. 36 years?

@sarahwalkerbeach6985

Жыл бұрын

@@esecallum thankfully, I looked at the original pfI$er data years ago, and turned down the Order to be inj3cted with the c-jab. I reckon I dodged a bullet.

@user-nx6ji9tk8i

Жыл бұрын

Worth also looking at Dr Seheult MD on Absolute and Relative Risk reduction. Puts it all into perspective. Crucially, need to know the prevalence in the population to get the Absolute risk. If there is not much of ‘it’ whatever the contagion may be, the risk will be low. And conversely risk increases if there is more of ‘it’ about. So much common sense. Risk reduction of the intervention is against that population background. And in so much of medical reporting, it,s the relative risk reduction that gets broadcast. ( It,s the normal way of writing up medical research papers. Not lying. Critical analysis is key. ) And be aware, not all medics are good at understanding the difference and not all science journalists ‘get it’.

@nootri

Жыл бұрын

Yes, some of us understood this years ago.

Clearly, statistics can easily be “interpreted” (i.e., “skewed”) to mislead and persuade. Redefinition of terms make this conundrum even more complex and confusing. Thank you, Dr. John and Professor Fenton, for your clarity! The TRUTH will set us free!

@beeman4266

Жыл бұрын

There's literally a book called, "how to lie with statistics." You can definitely mislead or even outright lie with statistics, especially by omission. It's even in how you word it and the way you explain the data. Pharmaceutical companies for example will say, "x new drug reduced symptoms by 30% while placebo only reduced symptoms by .29" 30% sounds like a lot more than .29 but.. .29 is 29%. So a 1% difference. They have all kinds of tricks they use to confuse people and outright push misinformation. You quite literally can't believe words written on the page anymore, even if they're peer reviewed studies. Hell there was the big statin scandal. They gave all possible participants statins for 6 months before the study. Anyone who had side effects was pulled from the study. Then after 6 months on the statins they conducted the study and deemed minimal to no side effects. Well no shit, everyone who had side effects were removed before the study even started.

@kp6215

Жыл бұрын

I learned this in Stat 101 at Cal Poly in 1983. Final grade received was A.

@beeman4266

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 Sure bud. Don't you have an appointment for a 6th booster or something to go to? I'm trying to imagine how stupid you'd have to be to line up for an untested and dangerous shot for a virus with a 99.99% survival rate.

@stephenwilliams3213

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 i agree. Some people might be surprised CAMPBELL has skewed results on Ivermectin for starters. He is guilty of the things he says others are doing

@miles6910

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 exactly. he's talking about 95% relative risk reduction compared to 0.84% absolute risk reduction like preventing nearly 1% of the population from dying is a ho-hum endeavor. i don't know if he's truly out of his depth or just pretending to be.

Perhaps the greatest video I’ve ever seen on KZread, for so many reasons. I was shunned and ridiculed by people/family for pointing out the difference between absolute and relative risk. It’s marketing over medicine.

@melmorrison1400

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 I think it’s YOU that’s not understanding 🤔

@Missdoubletrouble541

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 please explain what you mean because this vid makes sense to the rest of us.

@calluna5030

Жыл бұрын

@@Missdoubletrouble541 Go and have a look at Medcram's video on this. You will then spot what Fenton has failed to explain to you, and will understand how he's pulling the wool over your eyes. Fenton has an agenda. Medcram does not. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3adpaZ7kpyZZaQ.html

@matrixdecoded4226

Жыл бұрын

@@Missdoubletrouble541 Now you did it Helly. You put Ian on the spot by asking him to explain what on earth he is talking about. Now he has a difficult choice to make. Say nothing and hope no one notices or go full belligerent and just keep yelling that he is right and everyone else is wrong till everyone else gets bored and goes away. Lets see what he chooses to do.

@sueosgood4538

Жыл бұрын

The vaccines apparently don't work well against Omicrom. :(

Was it Winston Churchill who said: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"? This important presentation shows how right he was on this point. Thanks for presenting, John, well done!

In Australia there was a point that I may lose my employment because I was unvaccinated so I considered what could I do to keep my employment while staying unvaccinated,thank God that never eventuated.I looked into getting a medical exemption because of my condition which I've had since 2005 and had seen the top specialists herefor a number of years ,my condition is unexplained blood clotting which I have been very close to dieing a number of times and I am long term medicated to stop the clotting but I could not get a exemption.My view from what's unfolded, is if I got the vaccine it would have certainly killed me.

@funkibloo3811

Жыл бұрын

Glad you didn't get it. 🙏❤️👍

@hair2050

Жыл бұрын

I recently returned from 13 years in China and was “immunised” with sinopharm 3 doses, while there. I consider it useless but safe and did it for reasons only living there as a foreigner one can fully comprehend. 55 btw. I got Covid in the uk 6 months after my 3rd shot and 3 weeks after leaving China. Moderate illness. Now in Australia I face a dilemma. I DON’T WANT any further Covid vaccine. But I have elderly parents and if they went into care today as far as I am aware I couldn’t visit them. And I need to be vaccinated for some job applications. I hope that these requirements will be dropped soon. I think most here would agree that me doing another round of vaccine would be useless at best, and possibly detrimental. I don’t want to risk it.

@e4tm333

Жыл бұрын

Highly likely

@jimmyzoom1143

Жыл бұрын

Never forget what they did to you guys.

@TheRinyma

Жыл бұрын

Wow you are so lucky you didn't get it!

Wow! A lesson in How we were lied to using statistics selectively

@Missdoubletrouble541

Жыл бұрын

Yep. And it is illustrated very clearly and briefly on the docu "safe and effective - a second opinion". Have you watched it? It's very enlightening.

@justinthomas3829

Жыл бұрын

@@Missdoubletrouble541 I will watch it. I’ve watched The Real Anthony Fauci movie. That was an eye opener!

@Missdoubletrouble541

Жыл бұрын

@@justinthomas3829 Thanks for mentioning the Fauci movie, I haven't seen it, I'm going to watch it!

@James-ty9zr

Жыл бұрын

@@Missdoubletrouble541 fill your gas bottle 👍

@thompson37

Жыл бұрын

What is exactly what Campbell does all time. Pot calling kettle black.

Dr Fenton needs to be given a wide platform to share this shocking information so more people can understand the level of Pfraud we have been subjected to. We need to remove indemnity and go after these horrible lying manufacturers posing as “science”.

Norman was one of the only ones who actually shared research that went against lockdowns etc

I don't need a math expert to know we have been lied to, my gut told me that from the beginning

@carouselcakes6237

Жыл бұрын

Don’t sell yourself short. You subconsciously did the math like I did. My gut instinct/curiosity told me to do the math & the results didn’t correspond with what we were being fed. I’m just surprised that the vast majority of the population lack, what I consider to be, the very natural & human instinct of simply being curious. Maybe that’s why the human race has ceased to progress & instead has begun to regress. We simply lack curiosity.

@kubicajakub

Жыл бұрын

But now you have proof.

@kaderathebeekeeper22m3

Жыл бұрын

@@carouselcakes6237 Exactly I actually did the math regarding the rate of infection (took me about a month 🥵) and realized quite early what was at play here.

@bobfuhr4520

Жыл бұрын

Here in México I asked a friend what Vax did he get? Pfizer or, he didn't even know.

@kmacintosh1448

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Thank you. This explains the huge discrepancies between what we're being told and what we're seeing.

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

So the earth isn't flat ?

@dragnar12

Жыл бұрын

These ways of saying things where made to hide shit and sell bad shit.

@tilapiadave3234

Жыл бұрын

@@dragnar12 Cultists in the antivax etc LOVE this ,, so they can confuse and control peoples thinking

@stocksyere

Жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 Isn't it time for you next booster? Dum dum

@alunjones3860

Жыл бұрын

@@Kestrel1971 Yes, we get that. It clearly wasn't 95% effective at preventing infection from the start and that number has fallen, since mutations and declining immunity. There are so many unknowns: the number of infections, jabs taken, natural immunity. The professor's explanation does highlight the difference between what we've been told vs our lived experience.

This is probably your best video yet! It's a stunning explanation for the official vaccine disinformation campaign!

@dochw8302

Жыл бұрын

👍💯🎩

@y.cschmidlin8172

Жыл бұрын

I am surprised that this video has not yet be censored in the name of disinformation for showing the official vaccine disinformation campaign

@richvid9814

Жыл бұрын

Is it? kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKqs09t8is-xf5M.html

THANK YOU for explaining the v’d being classed as unvd during that 2 week period, (which I believe at one point was actually 28 days!!!!!) Not to mention the lower numbers of unvd to v’d. I tried to explain this to so many people at the time...the numbers were completely skewed. They just couldn’t grasp what I was saying. I’m not great at maths, it just seemed logical to me. Especially when you consider how many people were testing straight after having these spike proteins injected into their bodies. They did the same during the lockdowns with the death rate, during which point no autopsies were being done, and all deaths were from covid. It’s been very, VERY easy to dupe the public with numbers.

@warrenklein7817

Жыл бұрын

The exclusion of the 14/28 days after vaccination ensured the sudden deaths occurred in the pretend unvaccinated group.

@Lorianne-1111

Жыл бұрын

@@warrenklein7817 i know! It was so obvious! The graph shows it in plain sight! It’s unbelievable that people still can’t/won’t connect the dots. So so sad.

@TAG-1984

Жыл бұрын

So true, numbers and data have definitely been abused/skewed for the good of big pharma, and control.

@iamgabriel5823

Жыл бұрын

You are a rare person who can actually apply discernment. The rest of society has become dumbed down lazy thinkers. They accept all of the lies that are spoon fed to them.

@nosuchthing8

Жыл бұрын

You know they track deaths year to year right? In groups. Heart disease, cancer, etc. I'm 2020 all categories were flat. Except a new one, covid. 400k new deaths. So either people were falling off skateboards or covid was real. You know the average life span has decreased right? Sorry.

I’ll bet the KZread monitors are learning a ton from this channel.

@picksalot1

Жыл бұрын

I would hope so, but based on past behavior, I don't think they're smart enough.

@sr.elizabethmarieoftheholy4980

Жыл бұрын

@@picksalot1 Or brave enough.

@Kaylagrayrapestar

Жыл бұрын

Can someone show me some proof of viruses please I have looked through multiple studies and none have ever been isolated to prove cause of any disease

@gsomethingsomething2658

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaylagrayrapestar Have you looked into rabies?

@aroundtheworldineightyskates

Жыл бұрын

If they understand, which they should.

Thanks Prof Fenton. Your enthusiasm for your subject is infectious.

@sitascott8446

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha! Yes.

@mybiz1006

Жыл бұрын

😄

As a person who doesn't understand statistical stuff, this was EXTREMELY helpful. I had a sense that the numbers we were told didn't mean what it "felt" like they meant, but this not only confirms that for me, but tells me exactly why. Thank you, sooooo helpful!

When I was a kid I remember being fascinated by a library book, “How to Lie using Statistics” (or something along those lines) this was mainly aimed at exposing advertising companies and their “sharp” business practices. I could never have guessed back then that these deceptions would be used by pharmaceuticals companies - too trusting I guess. Hallelujah, I’ve seen the light but… now I find my self doubting almost everything in medicine. Trust forever eroded.

@melmorrison1400

Жыл бұрын

Much healthier to question everything… it’s not just healthcare. All those politicians that lied over this. Are still telling as many lies! Listen again with your critical thinking cap on 😉

@Justsayingthat

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a really great read

@dedetudor.

Жыл бұрын

I do believe that's in Gates library.

@MsEssmess

Жыл бұрын

My grandfather was phd in statistics. He gave me a copy of that book! Later working in town planning using early computer stats analyses I realised how easy it is!

@sue.F

Жыл бұрын

@@MsEssmess Intriguing. I was about 10 when I read this - it was mainly “above my pay grade” but certain aspects chimed and I think it was this that drew me to study Philosophy. I wonder if reason and logic should be taught as a core subject in schools so that children can all be inoculated (no pun intended) against upcoming bullshit as adults.

Thank you both for your advocacy, courage and integrity.

Oh, the 'playing with numbers' is INCREDIBLE! Thanks for explaining. 🙏🙏

@user-nx6ji9tk8i

Жыл бұрын

Wasn,t it Churchill who said ‘ lies, damn lies and statistics’! Interpreting medical research papers, must have a working knowledge of statistics to process the data!

@nopenever3

Жыл бұрын

Statistics are easily manipulated.... understanding the manipulation difficult.

@markh5399

Жыл бұрын

This relative risk reduction has no Mathematical meaning. It's a marketing ploy for drugs. I have a high degree in maths. I knew about this nonsense from the statins con. Also brought to you by Pfizer.

Thank you Both so Much! This explains a whole lot to me. I refused the vaccines. In November last year, I was helping a young veteran from Afghanistan who had just gotten home from Afghanistan. His young wife and baby girl were very sick and I was helping him to get the right cold medicines for them. He was a medic and he told me that he had traveled around the world, helping people to recover from Covid19. Right after that I came down with the Delta Variant of covid19. I was 61 and I became very very sick. It went from my throat to my lungs and I was seriously ill. It took me around five or six months to recover. My husband is 73, unvaccinated and he didn’t get the virus from me. Of course I took precautions around him. He still remains virus free. I can understand why so many people took the vaccines and I can definitely understand why people have refused. I just hope that Everyone will be okay. Lots of Love and Respect to each one of you.♥️🇺🇸

@brucegough

Жыл бұрын

How did you get them the right cold medicine? I'm intrigued.

Thanks to both of you!🙏 This "2 weeks" delay before considering someone as vaxed is what had been used to show the "low and rare" risks of critical or fatal side effect from the drug! As well as for showing that there was so much more unvaxed contacting the virus! Go back to june 2021 nice graphics that were presented everywhere and check the small prints (often displayed on a separate page, even a different site! ) where they stated this "detail"! It has been shown that the side effects develop within one week and then decide that it takes 2 weeks before they could be considered "protected" and transfer them all in the unvaxed if they get sick! Bravo Thanks again for your lights, truth is always good to be shown.

@tluk1900

Жыл бұрын

Ian, our bodies kill whatever cell has been hijacked ….brain, lung, heart, deltoid muscle…

Thank you Dr Campbell and Professor Fenton. Love you both and appreciate your work on our behalf ❤

The easiest way to understand this is absolute risk applies to the individual and the relative risk to the group. The absolute risk reduction for the P vaccine ( from the trial) was 0.84%., the M vaccine 1.2% Which is why ( as a practicing doctor) I was set against these interventions from day 1. I’ve followed all of Norman work and my patients benefitted. For that reason I’m eternally grateful to Norman.

Thank you for this "private" lesson on epidemiology and statistics! Highly appreciated.

Just read a very quick and short news article relating to the mRNA cancer vaccine completing its trial. It stated there’s a 44% relative risk reduction in the death of those who took the drug. I noticed there was no ‘absolute’ risk reduction in the article anywhere. (I believe the trial was also based on just 157 people). I’ll be noticing this language use from now on. Thanks for spreading the knowledge!!!

@I2383R

Жыл бұрын

Smoke and mirrors, a risk assessment is only as good as the information that is put into it.

@Kravin8

Жыл бұрын

Cancer has been around a while, they say mRNA also now, why not earlier? Cancer is still #2 after heart disease. Pharma, feeding on the people for $$

Wow wow and another wow, I sucked at Maths, but this was on another level. Thank you Dr Campbell for having Professor Fenton, explain this very complex mathematical calculations in such a simplified way. I do believe from what I've witnessed on your channel tonight, numbers and data will reveal the truth, in the not so distant future. Educated people such as yourself and your guest simply won't be taken for fools, by those with alternative agendas. Thank You!!✊

@dannyhendy

Жыл бұрын

To be fair he was taken for a fool for the best part of two years.

@lionelmaxim306

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyhendy weren't we all?

@alicewynne8242

Жыл бұрын

@@lionelmaxim306 Some of us weren’t 💕

@elingrome5853

Жыл бұрын

​@@alicewynne8242 hmm... dont want to sound arrogant... but ive been way ahead Dr John too... im not particularly smart, but i have enough time to waste looking for the truth

@alicewynne8242

Жыл бұрын

@@elingrome5853 Glad to hear it Elin 👍💕

What a team ! I now realise why there was so much effort made to eliminate the control group. Fantastic work looking forward to seeing more of this sort of collaboration. Thank you both. Follow the evidence.

@MissNancy

Жыл бұрын

We the un V are the control group.

@ryanthomas4069

Жыл бұрын

there was no elimination of a control group. what are you talking about?

@AlienPsyTing1

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanthomas4069 The pressure that was put on people to get vaccinated would be to reduce the size of the control group as much as possible until there wasn’t a control group that’s why there was so much pressure to force people to take the vaccine even though they in the case of healthcare workers that they didn’t need to As most of the healthcare workers had bye this time been infected with Covid and therefore had natural immunity

@staz334

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanthomas4069 bots

@ryanthomas4069

Жыл бұрын

@@AlienPsyTing1 the vaccine trials had a control group, and were observer blinded placebo controlled. what you wrote was complete utter gibberish and you have no idea what you are talking about.

I have enjoyed every minute of this video, thank you so much! I was at home with Professor Fenton's talk, despite I am outside the medical & health field. I spent years in the role of Quality & Risk manager in a design & manufacturing business. And I understand very well how statistics can be 'massaged' to suit the situation one desires. Plus years ago I had done a course on demystifying statistics at Royal Holloway. That had helped my work, with a discerning eye on how various people: marketing & sales, product engineering, manufacturing, etc presenting data. When I audit such data, often I see how people used statistics to advance personal agenda. It is disappointing to learn how the medical & health profession would have allowed some of the 'tricks' to propagate. I guess setting good standards in reporting is urgently required. Such standards shall prevent people comparing apples with oranges just to mislead.

@johnl5316

Жыл бұрын

...see THE GREAT BARRINGTON DECLARATION. See Stanford School of Medicine Prof J BHATTACHARYA & Oxford Prof Sunetra Gupta, & Harvard Prof Martin Kulldorff, all of whom were saying exactly this in summer of 2020 while John was denying what they were saying but what he has just discovered

Thanks again, both of you. This kind of information should have been available from the government, and shown along with their regular "updates", instead of being swept under the carpet.

This was apparent to anyone who exercised their right to informed consent and had a calculator, I even commented on this channel about the disparity between the relative v absolute efficacy numbers we were being presented at the time.

@NLCWellness

Жыл бұрын

Good comment! Did they (Pfizer, Moderna et al) actually presented the absolute efficacy???

@andrewchristie2713

Жыл бұрын

@@NLCWellness can’t recall but I remember going into the actual published data and in an effort to understand how they arrived at the efficacy had to learn the difference prof Fenton describes. They all had an absolute efficacy of around 1%

@warrenklein7817

Жыл бұрын

BMJ did an editorial article with RRR, ARR and NNT. Sadly this is not new information, it was available first half 2021.

@joebaird5874

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewchristie2713 I remember querying the word efficacy being used instead of effectiveness. Red flags everywhere.

Once again a brilliant discussion with Professor Fenton. You both have worked tirelessly throughout the pandemic to help us lay people understand the complexities of this issue. Thank you both.

Thank you Dr. Campbell for inviting Dr. Fenton another gentleman just as you are!!!!

Gotta say Professor Fenton is an excellent teacher! He really explains things well

The key to this analysis is to make absolutely sure the base numbers being used haven’t been manipulated before running the analysis. For example (hypothetically) when a paper lists half the participants as being un-injected because it’s only been 13 days since they’ve been injected then it’s “Garbage in, Garbage out” regarding a potential harm evaluation between this and another relative group.

@kp6215

Жыл бұрын

We computer info system degrees understand stats manipulation can occur

@peterchapman697

Жыл бұрын

I think it is lies in, lies out. Deliberate fraud.

@conniepr

Жыл бұрын

Those that fall in having had the vaccination but haven't been two weeks need to be thrown out and not compared equally to the unvaccinated.

@MrKrekkie

Жыл бұрын

@@conniepr then you throw out all adverse events occuring in that period too. They should be kept in as vaccinated for the purpose of adverse events, but maybe not for effects on transmission.

@johnsheehy4192

Жыл бұрын

@@conniepr The Israeli C dashboard actually charts these "limbo" categories separately, which is what other data sources should be doing, too. It can be even worse than what Norman is demonstrating here, because the seedeesee in the US, when it's director said about 15 months ago that this is a pandemic of the unv'd, was including people who were hospitalized or died from C infections that occurred a couple of months before "the intervention", and in a large infection wave, to boot, so most of the deaths that occurred in their 6-month survey window were from pre-rollout infections in December 2020 and January 2021.

That was mind blowing: 1. I understood it 2. There is clearly a new category for the old saying, "Lies, damn lies and statistics". That would be "Lies, damn lies, statistics and risk reduction publicity".

Kudos on an excellent presentation. Amazing how just changing the type of statistic chosen to highlight can turn a BFD number into an OMG one. I really enjoyed how manipulating the group people were listed in could make an unthinkably bad placebo look like the best medication ever created. Shocking and scary!

Norman, you are a legend, sir! Thank you so much :). Off to find you…

Thank you for another intelligent and informative discussion.

Thank You so much, professor Fenton, Dr. Campbell. Pleasure to see this on KZread now.

@davidchedzoy7587

Жыл бұрын

A pair of puppets !!!

@mfg1035

Жыл бұрын

@@davidchedzoy7587 sure 😂

@SHLOMOKAFKA

Жыл бұрын

@@davidchedzoy7587 Oh, puppets?! And you ae the puppet master?

@flumpaustin1994

Жыл бұрын

Far too late.

@davidchedzoy7587

Жыл бұрын

Actors!!! Wake up people!!!

Thanks, Dr. Campbell! Top notch information!!!! Please express our gratitudo to Prof. Fenton for his wonderful explanations.

Absolute and relative risk were key very early on but unfortunately, the professional voices who raised concerns were ridiculed! Thank you for your continued exploration of all these very important but complex topics.

Dr Campbell is SMILING! So great that he can discuss with a fellow evidence-user.

@pointoflight2914

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE the phrase 'evidence-user' lol. So brilliantly put.

Placebo's 90% effective!!! Thank you gentlemen - a real eye opener.

I remember my statistics lecturer telling us how one WWII storey illustrates the importance of having all the data. After a night bombing mission, the British reported only 3 aircraft had been shot down. The Germans reported 50% of the bombers had been shot down. Both were correct as only 6 planes had been sent. But the impression the reporting makes is huge.

@NormanFenton81

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to use that in future presentations!

Grateful for all your posts Dr Campbell - I've learned so much about general health and wellbeing - and my own health watching your videos. Many thanks and wishing you all the best for keeping us educated and informed. You are briliant.

The risks come after taking the V.A.C.C.I.N.E.S.

Oh the use of language is wonderful. Innuendo, insinuation and inference are fabulous in this. Thank you!

Really useful video, and worth watching twice, just in case one misses out on some aspect the first time through. Thank you both!

When the canadian health allience published this, I read it and understood it. It was over a year ago. Noone wanted to listen, it was all blabla to them, and cognitive dissonance. Glad this is being talked about, even if its a little late.

@wonderzooarts1736

Жыл бұрын

i saw their video too and understood it at the time as well

@madwellmusic8995

Жыл бұрын

Let those that hear lend the ear. All else are pearls cast before swine.

@phonesgiveeveryoneadhd2826

Жыл бұрын

@@madwellmusic8995 Thats so true, but we're living among swine

I was going to ask this question about relative and absolute …having followed your channel . Glad you answered this but confess it went over my head !

@daninmanchester

Жыл бұрын

Imagine there is a drug that is 100% effective at preventing ovarian cancer. Would you take it? I'm assuming you are a guy, so the answer is hopefully no. 100% reduction of zero risk is still zero.

@Missdoubletrouble541

Жыл бұрын

Watch the documentary called "safe and effective - a second opinion". It describes relative vs absolute risk in a very quick and very easy to understand way. The docu is an hour long and is very good. The description of risk is very brief and you will probably understand it clearly!

@calluna5030

Жыл бұрын

Look at Medcram's video on this. He explains much better and also picks up on essential things that Fenton deliberately ignores. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3adpaZ7kpyZZaQ.html

Dr. Campbell and Prof. Fenton - thank you for so clearly discussing the role and risks of statistical analyses. Everyone - from the expert to the uninitiated - must beware all the available tools to analysts, pundits, etc to spin the numbers in their favor. The same set of assumptions/data can easily be manipulated to support a given narrative. Your best protection is thinking critically about the author and where their interests lie relative to the truth / public good. If you’re reading this - I doubt you need the reminder.

Dr Campbell. I seem to recall in the states when this virus started every death, even a car accident fatality was classified as a Covid death. Thank you for your videos and talking in understandable language.

@daemonsw77

Жыл бұрын

no it wasn't, take your echo chamber gossip elsewhere

@gostepsenglish4431

Жыл бұрын

@@daemonsw77 And this isn't an echo chamber?

John Campbell, the legend, the hero!

@Kaylagrayrapestar

Жыл бұрын

Can someone show me some proof of viruses please I have looked through multiple studies and none have ever been isolated to prove cause of any disease

@glitterkitty1979

Жыл бұрын

He must be protected at all costs!

@louisminderhoud6010

Жыл бұрын

No he's not only the last weeks he became more aware.

@davidchedzoy7587

Жыл бұрын

Wake up he's a sellout Judas goat aka SHILL!!!

@Memphis2010GFC

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaylagrayrapestar The virus was isolated in 2020! Samples were taken from people with the disease!

Great work Norman! Thanks for another brilliant and informative video of the FACTS!

I learned many years ago that pharma LOVE to use RRR to push drugs. My GP was constantly trying to get me to take statins. I went away, did my research, and learned the ARR was pathetic, but the RRR was fantastic! Alongside that were the horrible outcomes for women my age taking statins. It was shown to cause type II diabetes--from which I had already been trying to heal myself! I refused statins every time I saw my GP, went on a keto diet and put my type II diabetes into remission, and refused these jabs when they came around. I've been extremely healthy for 5 years (zero meds of any kind), and I've never had Covid.

Thanks for explaining and going over the data and statistics. This is so important. I think many people don't understand how much statistics can be misrepresented.

This was a brilliant presentation and discussion. Thank you so much for communicating honestly about the limitations of statistical inference and how easily some apparently small changes (e.g., in large-scale population studies with a high risk of bias or sources of error) could lead to extremely big differences in how one views e.g. mortality rates or other measures, like discussed in slides 22-23 (44:25 ; 45:22). And the theoretical example of how a dangerous placebo being classified and effective due to a statistical trick (38:20) really blew my mind, realising now with a technical understanding of this concept how deeply propagandous the Big Pharma companies most likely have been advocating for their products.

@nosuchthing8

Жыл бұрын

They track deaths each year. Deaths were much higher across the world. If.not covid, what was killing so many people? Paper cuts?

Thank you for making clear that for 2 weeks post vaccination patients are still classified as unvaccinated. i have been trying to break through with this information for almost 2 years.

@calluna5030

Жыл бұрын

No this is incorrect. Fenton has been corrected on this but he keeps repeating it, The ONS has a specific column for the 0-14 days after vaccination and another column for cases / deaths after day 0 of vaccination. Nearly all the papers that have been done have taken the time of vacination from day 0. The 0-14 day data was collected as it gives very useful info on how effectiveness builds up.

@matrixdecoded4226

Жыл бұрын

@@calluna5030 You are just spreading disinformation. His information is accurate and a number of people have attested to the fact that in official data one is not classified as vaccinated until 14 days post jab. I guess you people were born to deceive.

@dedetudor.

Жыл бұрын

@@calluna5030 the "immunity " reaction does not set itself for 28 days. Same as in other jabs to show antibody response. Also in early trials no one was allowed in the studies with any co-morbidities at all. And men were told who registered in the trials to avoid intimate relations for 28 days. Now you tell me if you can find the vaccine package insert... Folded out, to see what it says, for any one of the shots.

@lapochka140

Жыл бұрын

@@dedetudor. Yes!

@dedetudor.

Жыл бұрын

@@lapochka140 it's blank. It says intentionally blank.

I am so pleased that Norman is on our side!

Simply brilliant. Thank you Dr John and Professor Fenton 🌻

Thanks Dr Campbell much appreciated Much appreciated

@jimmyzoom1143

Жыл бұрын

You can say that again!

I remember studying statistics on my engineering degree and I found it incredibly informative in how to interpret mathematical data and how it can be manipulated. Or what I should say is how it can be interpreted in different ways. Evidence = how can a placebo have such a high efficacy from the data provided. Thank you for this talk once I started watching it I couldn't stop as it was so helpful and to listen to you both. Prof. Fenton is fantastic, I too had a mathematician teach me stats and maths at uni and he was the most brilliant man with a great personality too.

A very good presentation, a revealing observation thanking you gentlemen for your dedication and professional assistance.

Thank you both! This is probably one of the most important scientific talks about Covid in general. This talk is vitally important not only to lay people but also to the scientific and medical communities! It would be great if similar analyses of the clinical trials of Moderna and Oxford AZ vaccines are also presented.

Glad to see that Prof Fenton is back

*Wow! This is such a clear explication of the issues in communication of results. I sincerely hope that those who have misunderstood the complexities of statistical analyses will stop stirring up the silt on the bottom of the watercourse thereby muddying the waters in favour of their uninformed biases.*

@matrixdecoded4226

Жыл бұрын

They won't. They live and feed in the muck.

@Grootman

Жыл бұрын

Their bias is informed, they just rely on muddying waters intentionally for their ends.

This is a very powerful discussion for us regular folks.

This is a brilliant discussion and teaching on the power of skewed statistics to possible mislead the public and negate informed consent in medicine. At a certain point this statistical manipulation goes from unethical to fraud.....are we at that point yet??? I certainly think so.

@markyarbrough5511

Жыл бұрын

Further still than fraud you get crimes against humanity, which this has all the telltale signs.

Thank you so much for giving us insight into the math…

It has been a joy to watch your realisations! My mother in law first introduced me to your channel when we were warning her against vaccination. There was plenty of information available at the time. At the time you were encouraging vaccination. I have been encouraged by watching your own journey. My mother in law won't watch you anymore. I welcomed your apology. So many who have changed views when confronted with overwhelming evidence haven't done apologised.

@lukustreloar7243

Жыл бұрын

Dr Campbell data is from authorities so you never believe their data

@cornishdiaspora918

Жыл бұрын

I've had to do rather a lot of apologising....

@alicewynne8242

Жыл бұрын

@@cornishdiaspora918I think it’s great you apologise but I’m not sure everyone is looking for that it’s more like welcome to the party and for you to not get anymore .Then we think to ourselves good that’s another one awakened and we hope and pray you will be ok if you have had any 🙏💕

@mariecurie7491

Жыл бұрын

I stopped watching at that time, and have recently restarted 🤷‍♀️ . Am 69 and remain pureblood

@RideBikes_Walkplaces

Жыл бұрын

My father who's a paramedic did the same. He seems to have selectively stopped watching John now and doesn't like talking about it to me. I don't blame him really it must burn knowing that he was lied too so badly by the profession he works for.

Also on you previous video from the parliament: Can't quite thank you enough for sharing this, Dr JOhn Campbell- I am horrified and in tears to see the price so many of us have had to pay for this fatal experiment. And what worries me even more are our cildren ... You are a heroe who dare to raise awareness on this important subject of what so many of us are going through,.... Even though how much they try hide these adverse effects and mass media failing to do their job on posting much about it here in Norway- people are still going to be talking- Many are now reluctant to take any kind of mrna or influenza v and this certainly isnt benefiting big pharma....Every day health authorities are in the media begging for more people to get their shots.I think people are slowly waking up.... Love from Maya, 18 months with cronic v. induced myop...

Thank you both what a wonderful conversation and very illuminating.

Thank you for holding our hands through this. Merry Christmas 🎅

Speechless. You're on Rumble, aren't you, Dr. Campbell? Thank You.

Please pray for whistleblowers, for their guidance and protection. For people’s eyes to be opened. For those who have shots. And for no more mandates.

Thank you so much for taking the time to go through this.....I finally have a handle on this and my skepticism about risk v. benefit has been substantiated. I had a lot of questions regarding the vaccines and a top allergist here in Fort Worth kept saying, " Just get the vaccine. I've been involved in many clinical trials. The risks outweigh the benefits. And if you needed to see a doctor, not many will see you unless you are vaccinated." Since I had delved into what the ingredients were - lipid nanoparticles with PEG, etc, - I was not convinced. I still haven't had a vaccine...preferred to hibernate.....haven't had covid yet, but I am sure in time I will. I am 72, a retired political science professor.

Wonderful questions, Dr. Campbell! Thank you with great respect from Switzerland!

Looks like people are finally catching up. A few of us on the fringes have been discussing ARR/RRR for nearly 2 years. Better late than never I suppose. Also remember that the actual ARR for the latest 'safe/effective treatment' has been a magnitude lower for people of a younger age.

@williamfossett2636

Жыл бұрын

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Thank you both for this insighful easy too understand and informative presentation. Always grateful!!

Thank you. This was the lesson I should have had in statistics when I was studying community health all those years ago.

I've had Covid for a week. I'm over 65, obese, have had very little exercise. I only took the initial shot a year ago as I felt pressured into it, but I've refused booster shots. The symptoms are very mild indeed, maybe two days of heavy cold-like snuffles.

@maryfrances8959

Жыл бұрын

good for you...now is a great time to do some self care...see it as prepping for the next plandemic.....all the best...

@jonathanmaybaum4167

Жыл бұрын

Hope you recover quickly and feel 100% soon!

@muhammadalieesaa3379

Жыл бұрын

I had no vaccines myself & I had Covid 19 in Feb 21 & Jan 22 & they were both mild for me & wasn't knocked off my feet but 2 weeks ago I didn't have Covid 19 but I had flu & the flu knocked me off my feet more than Covid did. This is about me & I understand that everyone is different.

@lightninggornall

Жыл бұрын

@@maryfrances8959 I hear they did another event 201 recently and this time the plandemic starts in brazil and its 30% more deadly and affects children and his supposedly called seers

@lightninggornall

Жыл бұрын

@@muhammadalieesaa3379 what is a cold or flu ? i will tell you, its just the body detoxifying itself, the severity of the detoxification determines whether you called it a cold or flu, you dont catch anything off anybody ,there is nothing going around,its just a natural response of the body when it need to eliminate toxic cell debris

and what we really cant know is what happens long-term taking it....

@whohan779

Жыл бұрын

To be fair: that's also true for getting the virus (how much being vaccinated matters is another question). Uptake of vaccine should always be an individual decision, unless there's a long proven safety record.

Thank you both Gentlemen.. you are wonders and both deserve a knighthood for your services.

Fascinating. I’ve always said that you can use statistics to support any side of an argument.

@warrenklein7817

Жыл бұрын

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

OMG that was brilliant thanks Prof Fenton and Dr Campbell.

It would be great if these slides could be made available as a pdf we can download and give to medical professionals to educate them and also Members of parliament.

Please spread this knowledge around this crazy world. Canada, Australia, New Zealand act like in stone age.

Venn diagrams are so helpful in explaining the difference between absolute and relative risk reduction. At least for my simple mind.

Bravo dr. You are working under difficult restrictions and I applaud your efforts to inform

My doctor, in September 2021, simply told me I had a 98% survival rate and the vax was up to me. A naturopath I was also seeing said I had a high probability of not surviving. I guess we know who did better in math!

@warrenklein7817

Жыл бұрын

First half 2020 CDC said infection fatality rate was 0.4 % which means 4 per 1,000 infected would die and 996 per 1,000 would survive.

@wasdwasdedsf

Жыл бұрын

@@warrenklein7817 yea, maybe hes 85

Very complicated, but also very enlightening! Thank you very, very much.

Thanks Doc! I'm not a mathematical or a statistical expert but this explains A lot.

Imagine having had this explained 18 months ago... might have changed a few people's minds.

@__-bz7wh

Жыл бұрын

Most people are too stupid to even understand the basic math of RRR and ARR.

@Kaylagrayrapestar

Жыл бұрын

Can someone show me some proof of viruses please I have looked through multiple studies and none have ever been isolated to prove cause of any disease

@__-bz7wh

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaylagrayrapestar differential diagnosis

@SHLOMOKAFKA

Жыл бұрын

Not really, facts do not change politics. 311 very motivated volunteers did not get the 2nd dose not even on day 42 in the original EUA Memorandum in December 2020. That is 1,4 percent or 1:88. In the placebo group that was 61. Five times less. There can be hardly other explanation then a rather unpleasant safety profile. This was an open information all the time. Official information. Who have read that? Very few people. Very few physicians.

@Kaylagrayrapestar

Жыл бұрын

@@__-bz7wh diagnosed how? The RT PCR test only detects genetic material naturally occurring in the body not viruses because viruses have never been isolated to prove cause of disease