LoL: 1 Cheater in 5 games... Cs2: Hold my beer.

@namo2403

Ай бұрын

its 1 cheater or botter which makes the stat entirely useless, they also said that its majority on cn and kr servers which we already know is popular since if you are not a kr citizen, you can't even play on kr servers

@nicogrez17

Ай бұрын

Cs: 5 cheater in 1 game :(

@Thasaidon

Ай бұрын

CS2: 5 cheaters in 1 game lmao

@raamy2426

Ай бұрын

@@namo2403 its even dumber to cheat in korea or china bc you can't craete an accout without your ID lol imagine if we needed an ID to play league how people would get mad while in those wonderfull countries they won't even complain lol

@namo2403

Ай бұрын

@@raamy2426 i think you might be missing the point thats why there are so many bots in kr, its because foreigners can't just make their own account, so they have bots farm lvl30 kr accounts to sell and anyone can create an account in cn, you just need a QQ id which can be spoofed easily but same applies here just sell lvl30 account to foreigners who want to play on cn super server

1 in 15 cheaters ? Thats a bargain for CS players

@mistahstyle

Ай бұрын

1 in 15 games, granted there is a 10 people lobby, so it's more of a 1 in 100 to 1 in 146 people actually using cheats. I'll just guess about 1 in 120 is a scripter i guess, which is enough to infect this amount if games, so even like a 1% cheating population is a problem...

@spencerdaugherty311

Ай бұрын

i would 100% play those odds

@donmaikas1623

Ай бұрын

@@spencerdaugherty311 the scripting is happening mostly in high elo where its like 2-4% of the player base is so now if 1-15 of the are cheating that is just can*cer

@chowchow4642

Ай бұрын

its also an inflated number bc they also counted bot accounts, which is waaaaaaay more than regular cheaters, i'd say 1/10 at least

@donmaikas1623

Ай бұрын

@@chowchow4642 i kinda disagree yes i think the anticheat is overkill but the numbers make sense if ghe cheater's are mostly in high rank where a small portion of players reside i can see the 1 in 15 being legit

these statistics are skewed because it INCLUDES botting, I very rarely encounter cheaters/scripters. but if you make a new account and level it with CO-OP gamemode you will never see another human. your team is 4 accounts being leveled by bots and obviously the opposing team is game's own bots.

Thank you comment section, now I can just uninstall and be the last person to leave league in the group I started with.

Even LoL have their working ac right now. What a shame for cs players.

@NatraPutraEsa

Ай бұрын

valve doesn't need anti cheat,but need more player

@Linkman8912

Ай бұрын

​@@NatraPutraEsayou don't need brain,but need less talk

@Dhalucario

Ай бұрын

Honestly I am not happy about CS2s current situation either but personally I would take cheaters over yet another rootkit. Vanguard will work temporarily until a majority of cheaters switch to hardware level hacks. Valve seems to be actually developing solutions to that, which I am honestly excited about.

@bobby1379

Ай бұрын

@@NatraPutraEsa they already had more bot player LUL

@spencerdaugherty311

Ай бұрын

@@Dhalucario as a hardcore cs player of many years i wish i had that copium

Oh well I guess I won't be playing League anymore, the last thing I need is Vanguard on my PC. It made my Laptop almost unusable back when I had it for Valorant.

@highbredsmoke

Ай бұрын

yes why is no one talking about this bra all theses bots just content milken this news its so sad that real people dont make content any more

I hate how everyone missinterpret it. It's NOT that every 1 in 15 games have scripter. It's that 1 in 15 games have scripter OR botter. And scripters are like

@MrMistyEyes

Ай бұрын

Found the scripter.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

​@@MrMistyEyeshe is right riot has a massive problem with trolls and afks but not with cheaters

Sooooooo when is cs2 getting one too?

@sagehoge

Ай бұрын

when valorant gets a replay system

@kungmakkan10

Ай бұрын

They might release it in a case

@natsumesflowers7152

Ай бұрын

A Chinese spyware?

@kirpich158

Ай бұрын

never lol

@CH-vr2dl

Ай бұрын

valve only wants your money not your privacy

People have been auto-cleansing stuns for years. Not only did you ahve to deal with shitty teammates but also cheaters on the enemy team.

@chowchow4642

Ай бұрын

scripting wasnt rlly a big deal, unless you are master+ elo, numbers riot showed are inflated by bot cheats. also if you cant insta cleanse shit you should get hands man

@HanSDevX

Ай бұрын

@@chowchow4642 bro. Im talking about humanely impossible insta cleanse but you wouldn't understand since you use shit like porofessor and other garbage to give you an edge in-game.

@arionell

Ай бұрын

@@chowchow4642 Consistent In Diamond 2 and above, sure. Consistent Insta-cleanses in Gold 4? GTFO lmao. Frameless, instant-cleanses are extremely difficult. Don't act like its a staple of the game that is mandatory to pull off every time.

@narhwallord6985

Ай бұрын

@@chowchow4642 You realize insta cleanse is frame perfect. Like no down time at all. That isn't human.

@filthyjones6150

Ай бұрын

@@narhwallord6985 i mean if you follow any fgc people do tons of just frame stuff

played league for fourteen years, this anti cheat is what made me quit

Vanguard keeps running on your system even if you don't open the game. It's extremely invasive. I'd rather have something like Faceit anticheat, which is also a kernel level anticheat but only opens with opening the game and not on boot.

@namo2403

Ай бұрын

just shut down vanguard and restart your computer... it literally takes less than a minute

@northernpolaris9895

Ай бұрын

@@namo2403 But WHY do you need an AC running ALL the time? Thats the real question

@namo2403

Ай бұрын

@@northernpolaris9895 Realistically its because any cheat that is active pre-launch of the ac already bypassed it and you can simply spoof it. This means regular ac like eac and faceit are completely useless, if you have an ac that launches at the start of your windows boot, it makes spoofing much harder. It also mean that in order to cheat, you would have to go the extra mile via dma as compared to downloading a lua script and being able to cheat in faceit As much as people would say "JuSt DeVelOp AI aNtIcHeAt", well... until a major title game actually does implement it and show that it actually works, then that can be brought up to the conversation.

@yououttapocket

Ай бұрын

Yeah you got no clue what you're talking about. Faceit and vanguard actually run in the EXACT same manner. Both are active on startup.

@user-ug4vb3dh5g

Ай бұрын

And.. so what if vanguard always running? It’s riot, not any other unknown company. I have been playing Valorant since the start, have never minding about ‘How invasive Vanguard is’. It’s just a here we go again moment for me 😂

then the smurfs next. Completely ruins a match like an adult playing basketball with a bunch of preschoolers and telling them they suck.

I was only playing a little bit of TFT these days (LoL community just being anoying AF). I don't need vanguard for TFT. So uninstall it is.

@amadedeus

Ай бұрын

🙏🏽

@javi4591

Ай бұрын

TFT mobile it is

@amadedeus

Ай бұрын

@@javi4591 thought the same on mobile at least for tft u can bypass vanguard

@Guckmalparty

Ай бұрын

TFT isn't any better. You play against 5 wintrading premades anways.

@javi4591

Ай бұрын

@@Guckmalparty maybe in pisslow yeah. but as long as you have solid fundamentals, it relatively easy to get to high Diamond/Masters so it doesn't even matter.

The scripting isn't as bad as the TROLLERS! The toxic community. That shit made my quit league.

@KingNothing0

Ай бұрын

for real... you'd get into promos and people would see this and troll on purpose.

@nicklasveva

Ай бұрын

I haven't climbed particularly high, but I think I've encountered one troll in my 100 games of ranked, that I noticed at least. Most of the time people troll you because you're being toxic, that's what happens in draft pick at least. I could imagine higher ranked players "knowing" when a game is over and feeding to get it over with sooner though. But even this seems to not be that common.

tencent not launching the anti cheat in their country is kinda sussy ngl

@FUJISHIR0

Ай бұрын

Because of win11 requierments !

@namfingerstyle8403

Ай бұрын

They have their own cheat detection system.

@namfingerstyle8403

Ай бұрын

In China they will arrest cheater if they know your ip.

@austinfu2102

Ай бұрын

Have u ever heard of Tencent's own Anti-Cheat called Tenpertect? A programme which scans your whole fking computer and hard disck when u launch the fking game. Vanguard seems very gentle in terms of privacy compare to tenpertect.

@yGKeKe

Ай бұрын

Online accounts in China are directly linked to your government ID. The only cheating that occurs in China is government sanctioned.

Scripting doesn't seem as impactful, unless I've been fooled this entire time. I feel like when I lose, I got outplayed (or camped, ha!) rather than feeling cheated. Compared to CS, I can tell when somebody is cheating vs really good.

@austinfu2102

Ай бұрын

That's how bad scripting in League is. With script, they can see there u have vision, and land and dodge skill shot almost every single time, and u just thought you were outplayed. Whereas in CS, yoi can at least tell they are Cheating and just give up the game. At least that's the case for me. If I noticed someone is hacking on my CS game, I will just play like I am in practice mode and chill.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

​@@austinfu2102scripting in league gives a small advantag and very few ppl actually script its not a problem

@Guckmalparty

Ай бұрын

Have you come across those rotating adcs? They kite so fast that they start rotating. Or those people you just can't hit with skillshots, you need to be at point blank to have a chance of hitting them. And so much more. My favourite scripter moved synchronically to my movements to stay just a tad out of my attackrange - I was in the bushes, no teemo there, no wards.

Thor summed it pretty much on his stream regarding AC and Ban systems. They usually dont just ban in small waves instead in big waves that banned ten if not hundred thousands account in single ban wave, furthermore they need to solve the vulnerabilities in their game first before going with ban waves. You dont need invasive Kernel level AC for your games.

@AguSWAG4876

Ай бұрын

Yeah, even tough I am one of the Vanguard defenders, I also think its a bit excessive that kernel level AC exist.

Weird story. This stat is inflated since most botted games are played by account leveling bots for the account selling market, which is the main reason Riot pushes vanguard

"made riot's code hard to read" thats an anticheat? i thought that was normal.

Pretty sure most of the "Cheaters" in statistics are just smurf bots.

I feel like the “1 in 15” or “1 in 5” cheating numbers came out on purpose by Riot as a way to get people to accept Vanguard being installed onto their PC’s. Ive been playing league since season 2 and i cant remember 5 games where I’ve had cheaters with or against me. Thats just my personal experience tho.

@arqiu7632

Ай бұрын

That’s for sure. Also the way the stats are presented is dishonest, by including bots in the 1 in 15 number you make it worthless.

@higglyjuff

Ай бұрын

Been playing for about as long and I think I've probably experienced roughly the same amount of cheating. If more people were cheating than I thought, then I guess there were a bunch of people who cheated in a way that didn't feel particularly unfair in a way that was noticeable.

@ArtaEva

Ай бұрын

I actualyl see that 1 in 15. no joke.

@PartyMain

Ай бұрын

In low elo, it's more of a bot problem. I remember when I was gold 5+ seasons ago, that bots in norms but mostly aram ruined games. In higher elos (eg. my master games), I encounter a obvious scripter once a week and as jng, I'm sometimes so confused on how they know my exact position in fog of war, perma pings throughout all the game and it really makes U wonder if they were cheating

@Smilling_Sadface

Ай бұрын

@@PartyMain I never see a LoL script that has MH before, all I know about LoL scripts is that, it tracks down the skills and spells CDs, neutral cs respawns, auto dodge projectile skill(if the caster or the projectile was visible on the map), auto combo, auto ignite when enemy was low hp, auto flash for dodging, auto zhonya, autoheal (spells), auto wave clear, and auto last hit cs.

fuck vanguard, im not having that shit running on my computer 24/7 even when the game isn't running

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

then just turn it off?

@neojist8422

Ай бұрын

@@ceadeusx how?

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

@@neojist8422 You can always disable the driver whenever you'd like-you'll just need a fresh reboot to "recertify" the integrity of the trust chain before you jump into game. - The dev blog post. i dont have vanguard installed so i cant say how the driver is called i thing something like "vgc" u can disable it or even uninstall vanguard completly...

@LucasImpulse

Ай бұрын

@@neojist8422 by not playing this horrible game

@brunch.

Ай бұрын

@@neojist8422 you can shut down vanguard and restart your pc. If you want to play league you just start up vanguard and restart your pc. Pretty easy.

CS with a crazy 3 in 1 games having a cheater

In less then 2 weeks I need to stop cuz vanguard still overrides my graphic card fans so they stop working. Don’t know if some more people had the problem. Had to reinstall Valo and of course Vanguard and never touched it again. Played for 12 years never so a cheater and now I can’t play. ☺️ nice time to quit

1 in 15 games. Interesting. 8 years playing and ive only seen like a handful

@Shiftry87

Ай бұрын

Yeah but there are ALOT of games being played at the same time so even if 1 in 15 is correct the odds that u will be in 1 of them is less then that, and thats assuming u notice it in the first place. The vast majority of ppl playing with cheaters probadly have no ide they are doing it.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

Its bots that infalte the stat bcs in blind pick u have lots of lvling bots

@mikerocksgames6370

Ай бұрын

explains it. I never play blind pick

I cannot see this actually fixing this game.. toxicity, trolling and smurfing are the real issues with this game. Even if people are cheating with scripts like rats, they do not know how to use them properly imo. if your not good enough to actually learn a game and become even some what decent at anything, your going to suck at cheating with it as well imo

Good call testing it out on the Philippines as a player here I can attest the rot cheating has done on queues.

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

i would guess with all the spillover its prob one of the 1 in 5 games - region

@lalo77413

Ай бұрын

dont be proud my guy, riot is owned by tencent in china and they launch vanguard amidst the growing conflict in west ph sea, you know the rest of the story

1:57 "scripter win rates sit at around the 80 percent mark which is usually a win rate reserved for smurfs or Korea vs. NA at worlds" what an insult to Koreans

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

This stat is only that high bcs they are smurfing to bcs their old acc got banned riot just selling something that really isnt needed

in less than 2 weeks this will kill off any linux players. not just cheaters.

@z34567890123456

Ай бұрын

Oh no….. Anyway

Vanguard is literally no better than non level kernel anti cheats. Why would I want a company that is majority owned by a Chinese company to have kernel level access to my computer?

@draken5379

Ай бұрын

Because you have channels like this paid by Riot Games to spread shit like 'amg cs2 so much haxors, but valorant is good bro xD'. When in reality, all games have the same amount of cheaters. What determines which games have slightly more than others, is when the game is more popular, nothing else.

@YepN_

Ай бұрын

@@draken5379 delusional

@MrDT2012

Ай бұрын

Same way you use Chinese devices. You’d be surprised on a lot of the services or sites that are Chinese owned.

@cheshirest9067

Ай бұрын

Just tell us you're afraid of china lil bro

@gelzal2870

Ай бұрын

@@cheshirest9067 Tencent has an agreement with China where it must give all of its users' information to China and Riot is 100% owned by Tencent

Game companies need to stop giving up and submitting us to information abuse

This is good but in philippines we keep getting disconnected like the same issue before. RIP LP

I noticed you hide your hair now, is it because someone pointed it out in the comments before? it looked good dude

@JohnWuWu

Ай бұрын

Not everyone is blessed by the follicular gods like Dimitri

You just can't simply trust riot saying 1-15 bla bla bla

@rpscorp9457

Ай бұрын

I do not, nope. Every patch is nerf/buff/change patches because they cant ever get something right or even near correct.

Wonder what will happen with Intro level bot games, where 100 out of 100 games have bots in it, probably going to have much longer queue times.

It took a week to the cheaters to be back and legit players are leaving, meanwhile even big streamers are having problems with vanguard. Great job rito.

Okay I have legit seen no one mention this, but doesn't ANYONE besides me find it weird that they lumped scripters and botted accounts into the same "cheaters" graphs and data? I'm assuming it's a strategy to try and make people more comfortable with Vanguard by being able to say "look guys there's a cheater 1 in 10 games we really need this!!!" when in reality the 'cheater' in 90% of those games isn't a scripter, but just a smurf who bought a botted account for $2.50 to play on... I have absolutely no issue with Vanguard and I'm actually excited to have even fewer cheaters in LoL, but Riot trying to convince people who think otherwise by lumping botted accounts in with real scripters is just disgusting to me.

@HenriqueRJchiki

Ай бұрын

it's literally propaganda to push their spyware into people, mac and linux will still run league without vanguard lmao

@SmugLilBugger

Ай бұрын

All the same. Smurfs are cheaters, too. They cheat the system and break ToS by buying accounts. Smurfs have no prestige or high ground, they're not better than filthy cheaters so I'm not too upset that they deservedly lump them in with scripters, even if it falsifies the statistics. Hell, I'd love much more derogatory terms for those two groups of people, like 'offenders'. Feels like a necessary sacrifice at this point to give deterring titles to bad people so they're shamed in public.

@mihaelcituljski7282

Ай бұрын

yes i thought the same inflating real numbers with FRESH boted acc playing the game maybe even including boting to lvl 30 with blind games boted acc = cheater "bot"

@Merciless_Douma

Ай бұрын

Scripts and bots that play the game are run via the same execution; the same program that loads cheats also loads bots, which to Riot is indistinguishable when it comes to looking at the data. They don't look to see what each account was doing, they just detect scripts and ban them. That's why the data is lumped together.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

That 80% winnrate also isnt bcs of cheats its bcs of smurfing

I'm not a cheater, but I'll leave LoL when Vanguard is active. I don't want kernel-level virus to play a couple of games.

@_Drekavac_

Ай бұрын

Ummm, exit vanguard? Is it that hard to do? Thats what i do when i dont play valorant, exit vanguard and when i want to play it again i just reboot my PC. And faceit has the same anticheat for years, whats the problem with vanguard now?

@newbieanon

Ай бұрын

@@_Drekavac_ yeah... i don't play faceit, and no, i don't want to restart my pc every time i stop playing a game

@_Drekavac_

Ай бұрын

@@newbieanon you dont have to restart when you stop? Just exit vanguard when you are done playing with Valo or LoL? Is it that hard to do 3 clicks?

@newbieanon

Ай бұрын

@@_Drekavac_ it's hard to have a kernel level spyware, i will not install something that have total access to my computer

@_Drekavac_

Ай бұрын

Your bad, enjoy fighting cheaters while i had 2 cheaters in over 600h of valorant (both got banned mid game)

1 Cheater in 15 Games on average? And that's supposed to be a lot? I highly doubt it. Totally chill.

DMA: so you havent met me

can it detect trolls too? need them outta there

@YepN_

Ай бұрын

no sadly

6:16 You literally said earlier in this very video why, they already have an anticheat working on Chinese servers.

@6athory858

Ай бұрын

yeah but IDK MAN chinese company lying about cheating in other regions to convince people to install a rootkit that is completely different from whats in china/korea is a LITTLE CONCERNING LMAO

@Scarlet_moon.

Ай бұрын

well i bet Chinese method would probably be illegal in most western countries,total control and monitoring of everyone on internet.

@dieptrieu6564

Ай бұрын

The anti cheat is basically forcing people to link their ID with their accounts

@KaliTheThunder

Ай бұрын

​@@dieptrieu6564and yet it works

@austinfu2102

Ай бұрын

​@@dieptrieu6564nah, the CN server AC scans your whole fking computer, yes, all your drives are scaned in the background wile ur gaming on the CN server. The ID linking is for other purpose.

I'm still waiting for footage of a cheater being detected posted on KZread

lower amount of cheaters ? yeah that would be nice but I uninstalled leag few months back as statement because I don't want anything as invasive as vanguard on my pc .

the issue is even vanguard is getting fucked by cheaters now...

@YepN_

Ай бұрын

nah in val most likely they get banned in the half of the game

@thegoblinwholaughs1137

Ай бұрын

are those cheaters in the room with us right now?

Funny fact, China server will not have this ac, maybe because tencent already has their user info...

@icecreamcake5381

Ай бұрын

I think it's because players in China and Korea use their government-issued IDs to create their accounts so they don't risk using cheats.

My issue with vanguard is that it runs on startup of my PC, whether I've logged into the game launcher or not. And I'm about to test this in a minute, but it looks like if you go into task manager and shut it off manually, when you finally are ready to boot up the launcher it won't let you go to the game until you've restarted your computer. Meaning the only way to log into the game is to allow this anti cheat software to run on your pc at all times, even when you don't need it, unless you restart your computer *every time you want to play a Riot game.* I love League of Legends, but if this keeps up, I probably won't be keeping anything Rito on my computer for much longer. I might not even make it to Project L's release

Funny that when vanguard has been rolled out in PH, it's been disconnecting players for a few days already

I've been playing league super casually since beta. I uninstalled the moment I heard vanguard was coming to it. It caused so many issues with my PC with Valorant that I'm not even going to bother with it anymore. Sad that the account I've had so long and invested so much money on skins is left to rot now.

@CaptureXI

Ай бұрын

Sell it! XD

@amadedeus

Ай бұрын

Finally some one with the same. Same here mate it just fucks with my graphiccard. If it was just running while we play LOL ok maybe, but it runs all the time and I can’t play shit anymore. I feel ya and maybe we rly should sell that shit hole game account and be free from the company who drains souls

@ImRaiz0

Ай бұрын

@@amadedeus bruh just exit the vanguard when you're done bruh ez as that, and if you want to play then restart. How is it hard to do? waiting for basically 30 secs. People nowadays are lazy as fuck

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

The only valid reason against vanguard i see in those comments.

@RegrinderAlert

Ай бұрын

@@ImRaiz0That’s not an argument. If you are already assuming Vanguard will do malign things - or more likely, security holes in Vanguard getting abused by a third party - you are fucked the very moment it runs once. After that you technically can’t trust the off-switch.

thank you tencent for helping me quit.

So did they also fix the ddos problem? Would be a shame if it happened at msi.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

No 😂

I've had a bot in my OCE games ever after vanguard went live. It's slowed them down but it hasn't stopped them yet

that 1 in 15 games is padded. That number includes any and all accounts that they believe have been ever levelled by bots in vs ai games and then are purchased by players as alt accounts / after their main has been banned to skip the manual levelling process that sucks. stop falling for the bait, you're supposed to be better.

@MrMistyEyes

Ай бұрын

Found a scripter.

@ominaroust1109

Ай бұрын

@@MrMistyEyes :(

Cheater vs Spyware Both is a lose lose situation 😂

I dealt with a maokai auto cleansing my morde ult top lane until I called him out in all chat with a couple fancy paragraphs, then he stopped and my ult worked for the rest of the game, needless to say after a report he still got banned lmao

So now people just regularly hack the game, boost or wintrade more. Aint fixing shit plus people without a good setup cant play anymore, lose lose scenario

I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about cheaters in LoL. It was always teammates being complete trash or soft inting.

Can riot fix the fucking client first?

@martinmaca6650

Ай бұрын

Best comment here lol. I love it when the "Play" button doesn't work on a game client. How ironic.

meanwhile i can't find any scripts that work

If your worried about vanguard having krnl access close it if your not playing and when your playing have nothing else open

@grasgruen84

Ай бұрын

its not about "i dont want to see them what i do on my computer"... its about i want to know what they do on / with my computer. and since anti cheat has kernel access it can do everything and hide it from you. so in theory you can mine bitcoin while its running, or worse getting used as a botnet for ddos attacks or even worse things, like hosting child pornography on your computer for the internet. just some possibilitys mentioned.

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

Alot of work with a lot of room for error for an anticheat that wont even do shitt except planting a rootkit on ur pc

RIP League, it was a nice 15 years. Imma miss ARAM.

@javi4591

Ай бұрын

Same. Aram farming chests > skins for years now and I've managed to collect about 100skins as F2P. Rip

i'm surpirised that after 14 season, now Riot only realised there's a lot of cheaters?!

@lalo77413

Ай бұрын

bro didn't watch the video

@GdBearman

Ай бұрын

Nah. They always knew, they just never bothered to do literally anything. Like always. Cheating in high elo in season 11 was rampant. DDOSing was rampant. Wintrading was also rampant with so many people exposing and giving proof. Riot did absolutely nothing.

anyone know why vanguard isn't deployed in china? cuz it's been said that china is one of the more scripter heavy servers, it doesn't make sense not to deploy it there

@unknownposter2075

Ай бұрын

In a separate post, it was stated there is a different anti-cheat system being ran there in accordance to laws and such.

just a reminder to not complain when that company takes all our information and brick our devices in the future

Vanguard can kick rocks, not putting that shit on my computer, guess I won't be playing League anymore.

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

You have 0 clue about vanguard but if that mindset helps u stop playing league then its for the better i guess :D

@brakthalas

Ай бұрын

@@ceadeusx It has more access to my pc than I am comfortable with, do I need more of a reason to not want that shit on there? Literally malware, so yea, it can fuck off.

@TheMickus

Ай бұрын

Good riddance, bye Felicia

@RegrinderAlert

Ай бұрын

@@ceadeusxThey have more clue than you, that’s for sure 😂

@HollowedCero

Ай бұрын

Bye bye

The CIA must be very glad to hear that millions of US citizens voluntarily give china kernel lvl access to their pc 😅

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

The CIA has backdors in windows...as if they care about if china can now see which porn sites u open? Which they dont need kernel access to by the way. But i guess its hard to argue with people who dont understand shit.

@gamergames334

Ай бұрын

pyke q

Will work for a few weeks then it will follow the same trend as in Valorant or other games with kernel level anti cheats

funny thing is, vanguard has been disabled on my system 4ever and i can still open valorant

they dont release it in china because it would ban all chinese esports players

so this is why when i would be doing climbs i would notice some of the plat and emerald players dodged better than diamond and master players...it makes more sense now.

Will they ever do a story on the Taiga drama? It's the biggest scandal DotA has ever seen and no ones doing a story on it

2:05 you sneaky bastard.

I won't install Tencent's spyware on my computer. Going to quit league instead.

"We're planning to turn on vanguard for all regions (except china)" I've not played this shit for 10 years (thank god) and this sounds like some sus shit, quit boys and girls

@vinitrout3679

Ай бұрын

Go away, shooo Tommy shoo

@pennings855

Ай бұрын

china doesn't need spyware on league they already have it through every other source.

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

Because china already has an seperate anti cheat which was also mentioned in the video...

@CrazVidz

Ай бұрын

@@ceadeusx then you question, why?

@TheMickus

Ай бұрын

@@CrazVidz because China couldn't rely on League's antique anticheat, since cheating there is LITERALLY A CRIMINAL OFFENSE

I'm at Master and I rarely see any of them.

@doublestarships646

Ай бұрын

Ok, cheater

@donmaikas1623

Ай бұрын

my guess would be the region problems or they are just soft cheating that are hard to detect like just seeing in the fog or looking at ur range you wont suspect it cuz they are in master

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

The statistic is just bots with thte 0.02% cheaters mixed into it

Already uninstalled League. Proud Silver player, no cheats, Honor level 4. Was a new player trying to learn the game, but I'm not going to continue to spend time or support a company that uses invasive software like this. Won't be surprised if cheaters will be more prevalent cause cheaters will try to "beat the system" and will see Vanguard as a challenge. Thank you for making these videos and informing us.

Well, another game I’ll never play again! No anti-cheat should have access to a computers kernel.

If they know there is 1 cheater in 15 games how do they know when they are saying the current anti cheat is not working ? so the numbers are a lie and the anti cheat is not working or the anti cheat ist working and they know there is 1 in 15 games then there is no need for vanguard becouse they can already detect the cheater so for me it smeels like a reason to install shit vanguard

@VicarioussChallenger

Ай бұрын

manual reports and long term data

@yxeyuo

Ай бұрын

@@VicarioussChallenger i would assume long term data can only be collected if the ac is working otherwise the data is worth nothing. and if they have the capacity to Review all manual reports then ac would not be needed.

ya'll completely missed what packman does. it makes the games binary much harder to decrypt. not, "make the code more confusing". that's like saying adding extra characters to your password makes it "so confusing" to hackers

this rn is like the same thing as the wiggle video of EFT...

1 in 15 games -> less than 1% of players

@heatseeker9573

Ай бұрын

That one game can have more than 1 cheater, so that screws the calculations

@E_D___

Ай бұрын

@@heatseeker9573 It sounds like it screws the calculations, but it doesn't. "1 in 15 games has a cheater" -> 1 cheater in 150 players. If it was more than 1 player, it wouldn't be "1 in 15 games". 2 players out of 150 players -> 1 player in 75 players -> 1 in 7.5 games has a cheater

oh do you mean the root kit they are using ?

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

Someones not informed here...

@Aisen_

Ай бұрын

@@ceadeusx and that's you. Look up a root kit and contrast it to vanguard

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

@@Aisen_ "A rootkit is a collection of computer software, typically malicious, designed to enable access to a computer or an area of its software that is not otherwise allowed." Vanguard is not malicious, and does not enable access to areas that are not allowed. U can make an argument against those claims but for that u need to have proof and not just: "I think". I see where this comes from but without any proof there is no reason to say its a root kit.

@skittles1975

Ай бұрын

​@@ceadeusxthats very informative, i honestly don't care if vanguard takes my data or not. so worth than having cheaters in a game and besides there's nothing to lose because I haven't done anything illegal and use my pc only for gaming. can't say the same for many gamers with interesting tastes that are legally questionable

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

@@skittles1975 tbh they would not care about ur data unless u have classified documents stored on your pc. Every other relevant data is already in their hands. And like i said 1000 times. If they would want to collect your data they simply could do it from the league client. there is no adventage of using a kernel to do it. This whole argument of stealing data is just a witch hunt of people who dont know stuff. Thats whats triggering me :D

So lets see this actually work

@mattheawfrederick5696

Ай бұрын

It will work up to a point, evetually hackers always win the arms race. cheating will turn to ai and then they have to develop ai to detect ai and it just gets impossible.

@MrDT2012

Ай бұрын

@@mattheawfrederick5696it’s already AI. If you haven’t yet, go look at what vanguard basically does. That’s why it works, because it’s always learning. It’s custom and created by riot. Where as battle eye and all that are also kernel level, but they don’t work.

I personally installed a seperate W11 on a spare SSD for League only... 🤷

@ReDHaWko

Ай бұрын

They have access to your other drives to

@yorik1006

Ай бұрын

@@ReDHaWko No they don't

@ReDHaWko

Ай бұрын

​@@yorik1006kernal level they have the same control as you do

@Zcooger

Ай бұрын

​@@ReDHaWkoOther OS drives can be encrypted using Veracrypt and may be set up at boot to ask for a password.

@RegrinderAlert

Ай бұрын

@@ReDHaWkoFull-disk-encryption is mandatory anyways so using that you’d be safe.

in 2 weeks its time to leave league. Edit: quit. Enjoy chinese spyware

@skittles1975

Ай бұрын

have left since January and havent gone back since and won't go back ever again😂

Till this day no one complained about cheater probably on NA while on the asia side we see less cheater even i have never seen a cheater this makes me wonder what is their actual goal are plus the 24/7 kernal anti cheat is unreasonable

The question is does vanguard affect vpn? I turn my vpn on when Im working and I sometimes league while I work lmao!

@aceric1646

Ай бұрын

Vanguard shouldn't affect VPN to my knowledge

honestly tho, having ur credentials linked to your account would make your gaming account have more meaning to it, as controversial as it may be.

All in all it's a great excuse for tencent to get even more of your info, because you are encouraged to let Vanguard run even more in the background. Win - win for them. So don't forget to close down Vanguard every moment you are not playing rito stuff. Restarting your PC is better than letting them sell your info!

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

Why isnt Temu using a kernel if their whole business is based on selling your information?

@AguSWAG4876

Ай бұрын

Tell that to the people with apps and games on their phones, where we have our most valuable info: our bank accounts, our pictures, our conversations, sometimes even our ID. If people are worried about some anticheat spying on their computer, then they should also be worried about the games and apps they install. Some of them don't have anticheats and have been proven to steal sensitive data.

Will League's scripting problem be stopped by Vanguard? Probably not. Will it stop the infestation of levelling bots farming co-op to sell once they hit level 30? Most likely.

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

maybe leveling bots. But cheap smurfs will still be there. there is always a poor country where u can put people infornt of an pc and let them "bot" accounts for very cheap. Scripting has to be seen tho. I dont think that the current script platforms will survive but league is one of the most popular games in the world and is free to play....there is so much money to be made with scripting...there will eventually be a new platform

@BabyKnxckz

Ай бұрын

​@@ceadeusxthere is already scripts rhat bypass anticheat

Hey everyone, just wanted to share my experience dealing with Riot Games' Vanguard anti-cheat system and the censorship I faced on their subreddit. I raised concerns about Vanguard's continuous background operation and possible privacy implications, only to find my post deleted and myself banned from the subreddit. It's disheartening when genuine concerns are silenced like this. Anyone else encountered similar issues?

I just encountered my first 2 legit bots in ranked. AFTER vanguard was launched

Vanguard couldnt save Valorant from hard-cheaters and soft-cheaters.. how exactly will it save League, maybe it removes the casual cheater but that'll be about it there will still be plenty running rampant with undetectable cheats or even hardware level cheats.

@MrDT2012

Ай бұрын

Delusional. Valorant has no cheater issue lol.

@gelzal2870

Ай бұрын

@@MrDT2012 And yes, Vanguard is riddled with cheaters already, just search in the internet, Multiple specialized, but expensive hacks

@TheYogesh7777

Ай бұрын

Valorant have cheaters.??? don't be dululu.

CS2 could never

i mena if you count botted accounts in the cheater category thats kind of non sense, those are just bought accounts lvl 30

2:05 80% might be too generous kekw

@donmaikas1623

Ай бұрын

if most is in dm-grandmaster its a reasonable count if you think about it 2-4 % of players are in that region of rank

"RIP lol cheaters" for like.... a week... 1 month tops cmon! you CANT BE THIS NAIVE

@ceadeusx

Ай бұрын

This is a "cat and mouse" game and has always been. There are really smart devs on boths sides so yes venguard will be bypassed in some matter then vanguard fixes it, then it will be bypassed again and so on. Its an never ending cycle

@liberphilosophus7481

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure how the cheaters will get around the hardware ban.

@sinsei2165

Ай бұрын

There will always be cheaters. But now, they are detected faster.

@GdBearman

Ай бұрын

​@@sinsei2165delusion

@NoTeHCPT

Ай бұрын

@@liberphilosophus7481 it's easy to temp spoof your hwid, don't worry

No, vanguard is just a spyware now. LoL will still be like Valorant. Because Valorant is still plagued with cheaters even with that sh*tty Vanguard.

@YepN_

Ай бұрын

cheaters are most likely banned in half of the match

@amadedeus

Ай бұрын

I saw a video recently which disused cheats and there was even Valo cheats which are nearly undetectable right now so idk

@yorik1006

Ай бұрын

@@YepN_ I've been fine for over 40 games

I would find it extremely worrying when the company is more concerned and pushing anti cheat solutions while player base is somewhat unconcerned, especially with access given by those measures can give all sort of useful things to a country that is famous for IP theft and 1984 level of population control.

I read the entire Vanguard article, the only detail that bothers me is that they include both scripters and boters in the same stats. The fact of the matter is, boters are a problem for a different kind of reason (account selling, which is in turn how cheaters who get banned get new accounts etc), but I still wish they would've split the stats in two because when most people hear "scripters" they hear high elo cheats with ultra skilled champs like Xerath/Zeri, and it seems to not be a majority of what Riot has called "Cheaters"