My teacher had us watch this scene before informing us that our poetry textbook had the same excrement (almost word for word) and then I asked if I could rip it out and he said. “ no” because the school district will come for us 😂😂😂

@The_Gallowglass

3 жыл бұрын

Did he at least tell you to deface it?

@jamesanthony5681

3 жыл бұрын

Teacher made the right call. If the students and staff disagree with what was written, then fine, discuss it and it may (or may not) aid in your understanding of poetry. But leave it in for god's sakes.

@jimmy2k4o

2 жыл бұрын

Better thing to do is write a essay about why it’s BS and give that to your teacher. Maybe he/she could print+copy+staple them to the textbook

@jana731

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a chad of a teacher

@jordipernillo3026

2 жыл бұрын

and then the whole class clapped

"It's not the Bible you're not gonna go to hell for it " lol I love it when Dalton puts the paper in his mouth when McAlistair comes into the room #RIPROBINWILLIAMS

@lathryx

2 жыл бұрын

That hashtag has a different meaning with this clip lol.

@DannySullivanMusic

2 жыл бұрын

you're entirely spot on.

@isabellamccann7395

Жыл бұрын

I LOVED the intersplicing of Dalton with the paper in his mouth here as a kid, and I still do! His reaction is PRICELESS, down to when he spits it out in the wastebasket!

My art teacher was teaching us how to critique works of art the other day. She showed us examples of "good art" and then examples of "bad art" based on the standards of set elements and principals. I couldn't stop thinking of this scene. I know this is about poetry and my situation was just in an art class, but still.. I feel like the two are related

@boxeswithfoxes

3 жыл бұрын

No art is truly bad tbh

@madscientist7430

2 жыл бұрын

they definitely are or were, I just realized this comment is from 9 years ago lol

@P1983sche

2 жыл бұрын

I am a former art teacher and now I teach 3rd grade. In grad school, I sat through a painting class one night and my professor had us discuss a painting one of the classmates did for 2 hours. It was a yellow stripe on canvas…it was almost the last class of the semester. We were all just numb.

@totoroid

2 жыл бұрын

All art is bad

@TheRedReid

2 жыл бұрын

It's crucial we do not confuse *_technique_* with *_art_* and vice versa. Art is fundamentally a method of communication that doesn't rely solely on language. Art connects with the viewer/consumer/etc. and shares emotions, social/political perspectives, and personal stories. All of that can be accomplished with poor technique. A painting/play/sculpture/whatever can look like garbage but still do it's job as a tool of communication. Conversely, no matter how perfect the technique, a work that fails to say anything substantive is not art. It's saddening to see art so often conflated with technique.

Crying because I miss robin Williams and all the joy he gave us in so many of his performances

@davetrachtenberg6855

2 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@lindaconstantineau1358

2 жыл бұрын

I miss him too, he gave so much laughter to so many, thanks Robin, R.I.P.

Don't you just love Dalton???? Putting the paper in his mouth! Hah!

@lilPopper

8 жыл бұрын

Dalton --- wait, his name is "Nuwanda"

When I saw this in the theater and Cameron crossed out the diagram he copied from the board, people cracked up.

This was my professor for Media Ethics. She was truly an inspiration in film school and did all sorts of things like this in her class. I remember every lesson she taught and every maxim she laid out. She was objective to all sides of every issue, whether it had to do with film opinions, politics, religion, or news reporting. At the end of the semester I personally told her this, referencing this movie (and this scene) and she got teary eyed.

@davetrachtenberg6855

2 жыл бұрын

That is a beautiful gift you gave your teacher, not only your words, but also because teacher's rarely get to see the seeds they plant grow and bear fruit. This is a really meaningful action you did, and no doubt your teacher will remember your words as much as you did her class. Kudos! :-)

@DannySullivanMusic

2 жыл бұрын

yup. absolutely true!!

@nemo2327

2 жыл бұрын

💙

"Make a clean tear, I want nothing left of it" 🤣🤣

Most people don't notice this but he does EVERYTHING before it happens. That is what teaching is about - knowing the answer to any question before it is asked. Notice how he does EVERYTHING in advance: He stands up before what is read. He draws the X-axis before it is read. He draws the y-axis before it is described. He plots the coordinate points before they are stated. Etc. Every great teacher already knows everything ahead of time.

I always think of the 'review' scene in Ratatouille, where he describes all critics, reviewers and commentators as a kind of second order, fundamentally less important than even the most mediocre creators. They make it, you analyze it. It's a parasitic relationship; no matter how clever your reflections, no matter how sophisticated your system of analysis, you'll always be a bottom feeder compared to the people who actually make things.

@TheRedReid

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Yes, there are undeniably 'parasitic' critics in any field of creation, and I find it problematic that critics have taken on a role as 'curators' of sorts - willfully or not. However, while education, study, and practice all are essential to improving your craft, you can and will eventually hit a wall. That's where the job of the critic comes in. And while it can be incredibly difficult to sift through the "excrement" left by the parasitic critics and find genuine critique, when you do find it, that stuff is gold. Unbiased and unabashedly honest, this is where you can really focus your work and improve as a creator. (Note: I work as an actor and improviser, so that's from where my perspective comes.)

@boiledelephant

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRedReid That's a good point, and I was perhaps a bit overly simplistic and sweeping. I didn't mean to imply that critics and analysis are pointless - just that they're secondary to the work. The hubris that gets so perfectly lambasted in Ratatouille is the critic's conceit that they're in a position of judgement and, as you say, curation. Critique and review is definitely valuable. Deep analysis even more so, I have ended up looking at some films differently after seeing good analyses of them. The key word is "good". So many film reviewers, especially, are aggressively myopic and negative and just shit on everything but a select pick that satisfy their personal and very particular tastes., I just explained the word "curator" for two paragraphs, didn't I?

@juiuice

2 жыл бұрын

@@boiledelephant ya thank you

@DaveDexterMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRedReid No critic has ever said anything about my work that helped me improve or get through a wall. Other people - peers, craftspeople, with a legitimate technical insight - have helped me.

@TheRedReid

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveDexterMusic Absolutely no debate here that your contemporaries, industry insiders, etc. are a necessity for artistic growth. However, from my experience as an actor (which may well differ from a musician's which may differ from an poet's), those people usually help you with technique. They teach you tools of the trade, tricks, and help you develop your own style - all of which is crucial to an artist. However, I've found it difficult to get help from my peers beyond surface level - into the actual message of the art. I think that's in part due to the fact that they are biased in favor of me, so they rarely will give negative feedback. But I think it's also due to the limited perspective that they have as fellow artists. Everyone will interpret art based on their own experiences. You'll get different feedback from an artist than you would a critic or a layperson. And ultimately (again from my own experiences), artists tend to focus on positives and what you are doing well while laypeople tend to lack the language to help you improve. That's where I believe that critics come in. A good critic (which I will openly and readily admit IS difficult to find) examines your art beyond its raw content and delves into the actual meaning behind the art. Further, they aren't afraid to tell you (and everyone else unfortunately 😅) what isn't working. For me, it's fundamentally about getting outside of the artist/acting bubble and finding out what "real" people think. However, I recognize that I'm speaking from a position of bias as an actor and presenting it as a universal experience. It may well be that other fields of art have different experiences, and I appreciate you for making me reconsider that.

I would love to have a teacher who told us to rip up our text books.

@leobat7007

8 жыл бұрын

+dvferyance He would have been a really shitty teacher, and you would have ended up as a complete ignorant.

@Checkersss

8 жыл бұрын

+Leo Bat not for a poetry class. poetry should be taught the way he did.

@dudetocartman

8 жыл бұрын

+dvferyance I saw something similar happen like that. I had a friend who went to my college a decade ago, and she had a professor that was holding a textbook with both hands, and he just dropped it on the ground. I actually saw him do this. I thought it meant don't worry or read from the textbook.

@DD-xw6uw

3 жыл бұрын

I once bought a book for a class. I go to the class and the teacher says we will use every chapter expect chapter 12, so I ripped that chapter out of the book. The whole class was stunned.

@madeleinereads

3 жыл бұрын

That happened in my American Literature class in high school. My teacher allowed us to rip out the introductions of the poetry book we bought for the class because it was so awful. :D Any book with a terrible introduction deserves to be ripped out in Dead Poets style.

Irony here is, that Keating motivates the students to be critical when other people explain poetry to them, but at the same time constructs himself as the absolute reference how a view on poetry had to look like. It's like a philosopher who criticizes other philosophers and corrects their statements fitting to his own opinions and then sells that to his students as some sort of "true critical and philosophical thinking" - while in fact, a REALLY good teacher would teach them not only knowledge about philosophers, but the act of philosophizing ITSELF as the meaning of the subject. Keating motivates his students to create and write poetry, yes, but he also makes clear that HE is the reference point here up to a point where his personal behavior contradicts his message. Keating had genius thoughts and moments now and then, but his quality as a teacher was seriously spoiled by his narcissism and overblown ego. He drinks and breathes the admiration of his students and overlooks their fragility and the danger that lies within the use of his charisma for his personal gain. Keating is (and was in my opinion always meant as) a way more ambivalent figure than most watchers of this movie make him to be.

rest in peace, dear man

jesus i miss this man ! what more master pieces he would of given us on the big screen./ he makes u laugh like crazy, and cry at times with his acting. Really do miss him.

@wip1664

Жыл бұрын

Robin Williams belongs on a Shakespearean stage. His major acting debut as the alien in Mork and Mindy... probably won due to his extraordinary persona, somewhat "alien", but too emotional to be more/less than human.

For all those of u, understood why he told his student to rip out that page.. Poem is not a Mathematics that you need to measure or count to analys the quality of each poem.. Nonsense..!

@warrenny

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure I can agree with your assessment of Dr J Evans Pritchard's introduction. The "measurement variables" were labeled as Perfection and Importance. Those are hardly mathematical or objective. In fact, they are subjective and are open to each students' interpretation. Isn't that what Mr. Keating would have wanted?

@numberone51976

2 жыл бұрын

@@warrenny You argue that those measurement variables were hardly mathematical nor objective, but were in fact were subjective and open to students' interpretation and, therefore, were something Keating would have wanted. Yet, he still had them rip those pages out... ?

@numberone51976

2 жыл бұрын

@@warrenny Also, why are you responding to a seven-year-old comment?

@Simp4Gwyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@numberone51976 You didn't really make an arguement as much as you just restated what Warren said. Also, that's a weird question to ask, why is anyone responding to comments at all.

@numberone51976

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simp4Gwyn ​I did not just restate what Warren said. I proposed a question as well. Pay attention, please. Responding to comments is one thing. Responding to them after seven years, long after the original poster probably stopped caring, is another.

"If the poem's score for perfection is plotted on the horizontal of a graph, and its importance is plotted on the vertical, then calculating the total area of the poem yields the measure of its greatness." As an English major, while reading this I would be like, "Wtf, J. Evans Pritchard? I thought this was English literature, not math!"

@jamesanthony5681

3 жыл бұрын

It's all math. Music, literature, painting, the trees that grow in a forest.

@recoveringsoul755

3 жыл бұрын

And he didn't even draw a wavy line that needs calculus to determine its area.

@recoveringsoul755

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesanthony5681 the pattern the seeds of a sunflower form, all math.

@kernkimbleton3758

2 жыл бұрын

Anything not quantifiable, and able to be replaced by robots, is scary to the CEOs and publishers of the world... bwahaha! Let's get scary!

@jeannedarc7533

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesanthony5681 Music and painting is connected to mathematics in some ways. Not English literature and Shakespearean sonnets though.

Even as someone in the arts who enjoys the theoretical and objective side of things, the dude's a quack. He describes two random parameters arbitrarily and those two chosen are themselves completely subjective and unquantifiable. What makes perfect art? What makes important art? Why is something as arbitrary as importance among people a measure for objective quality? No idea if the opening is a real intro, but the guy who wrote that made a real effort to make something sound like academia without putting the effort to even bullshit effectively

@SniffyPoo

5 ай бұрын

pretty sure it was supposed to be a borderline parody written for the film, not a serious thing

I had a couple teachers that showed us this movie and encouraged us to think for ourselves rather than be moulded by the agendas taught a broken system.

@alessiodelcastillo1613

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t let you rip out their textbook though did they LMMAOO

St. Helena, California. We had a teacher that was just as crazy, maybe crazier. But damn if he didn't grab my attention by his style. Peter Ainsle, Mass Communications.

I'm home schooled through Christian Liberty Academy (an excellent, recognized school) and I buy my textbooks second hand. In the margins of the intro of English Literature was a note written in saying, "it's the Pritchard Scale." I googled this and found this clip and realize how right he was, whomever he was. Real Education begins in the mind. Without thought, without will, there can be no learning. i think i have a movie to rent...

@abhishekgururani6993

2 жыл бұрын

it's been 10 years, how's you?

@dakshdiliptalreja4088

2 жыл бұрын

I hope the light in you is still burning stranger!

I feel often the same way; especially at History and Hungarian Literature. It would be so great - and yet they give you no chance to form an opinion on your own and be an individual.

@bobbob-nj3ck

3 жыл бұрын

11 years tho

@Kayla-bw9ul

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbob-nj3ck 12 now

He isn't saying that u should break the rules the scene describes the intro as a way of measuring the poems quality there is no way to do that it is bs to measure quality each person has their own thoughts

"Its not the Bible you're not gonna go to hell for this" lol

Robin Williams is the most brilliant actor I have ever watched.

@jamesanthony5681

3 жыл бұрын

How does he compare with Steve Guttenberg? .When Steve was on screen, man you could really see the acting.

I was a little bummed when Robin Williams committed suicide. I remember I was on vacation with my ex, and her mom had us watch Good Morning in Vietnam. But I never anticipated how much I would grow to appreciate and miss him as time went on. I was 19 then so a bit immature. But he was a stunningly bright light for this world. And that light is still here, just the faintest bit dimmer. Enough to where you notice.

A wonderful scene from that most brilliant of films! Thanks for posting.

"This is a battle, a War and the casualties can be your hearts and souls. Army of acedemics moving forward "mesuring" poety.NOOO!!!, we will not have that here.In here you will learn to think for yourselves, learn to savor words and language.And no matter what anybody tells you,words and ideas can make a dffrence"

Plot twist... He J Evens Pritchard and just wanted to make sure he can sell new copies of his book every semester. Plus the content in the introduction while make up the entirety of the exam.

I did substitute teaching in the early 1990s, and one day I filled in for a high school English class. It was their first day to study Hamlet. I "lined out" the 'To be or not to be' speech for them to repeat after me. Then had the students walk around the room reading the text aloud. Then, I asked for volunteers to recite it... standing on the teacher's desk! About three of them did, and later that morning I could hear the football player say, 'To be or not to be. That's the question!'

@eithyr

Жыл бұрын

Man, well done! I have also done a few teacher substitute days and I have not pulled of anything like that but I would really like to lol

@drewwillard-artiststorytel1250

Жыл бұрын

@@eithyr Another idea is marathon public readings of a book of reasonable length. It encourages interest in literature and public speaking.

Me when I become a teacher “ take your damn textbook and burn it we learn by doing in this class !”

T. S. Elliot thought you could equally measure the importance of a text by its relation to some sort of grand literary narrative that is dedicated to uncovering the truth of the human condition. And of course he has been ridiculed for it since.

@NoNameAtAll2

2 жыл бұрын

Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is spread out against the sky like a patient etherized upon a table. - T.S. Elliot

@MrOdsplut

2 жыл бұрын

He was basically right. As they say in Dead Poets Society, think for yourself. It doesn't make an idea less true if people have ridiculed it.

@codswallop321

2 жыл бұрын

I'm genuinely struggling to think of a better reason to write a poem than to uncover the truth of the human condition.

@codswallop321

2 жыл бұрын

@@tryingbutfailing that was indeed my point. Keep up the good work.

@brianguo4860

2 жыл бұрын

Eliot is very smart, exceptional poet but not really that much of a good critic

one of the best scenes ^^^^^^ loved loved loved it.

That laugh at 2:39 gets me everytime! 😂😂

Savour words and language! This cuts across all nations - whether its a oral or written tradition. The bottom line is how it makes you feel.

this scene is amazing

Yes it is very tough to teach students how to enjoy a poem. One option is to guide them to find and figure out the unfamiliar scene the poet draws from what looks very ordinary and insignificant to them.

Great point William, I wish I could rip pages out and understand when what I read is not the golden rule. But they're library books X(

Always a good sign, when someone calls for the destruction of a book or the part of a book.

@cuttingbored4195

2 жыл бұрын

A preface is only part of a book as much as a coat of paint is part of a house.

@Ryan_Winter

2 жыл бұрын

@@cuttingbored4195 Don't play stupid if you don't want to be seen as stupid. You get my meaning, destroying written text instead of letting it alone to underscore his position is not the act of someone intent on making people think for themselves, it's the opposite of that.

@Johnny-mp2ew

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ryan_Winter nah, it's based as fuck. Books are gay

@bannstrahl

2 жыл бұрын

@@Johnny-mp2ew so true

Notice the kid to Neil's left is eating something secretly in class. I think Keating wouldn't have cared.

I remember a teacher of mine who believed and pushed to bring out the best in me

although this scene is satisfying to watch I doubt anyone would seriously write an introduction like that to a poetry book

@mydogskips2

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently you haven't read enough poetry textbooks, nor met enough doctors of literature. I have three poetry textbooks with introductions somewhat similar. They don't make the measurements in such "graphic" terms, but they definitely spoke of how one could rate poetry; quite pedantic if you ask me. I mean, how the heck can one objectively say Shakespeare is greater than Byron, or Tennyson, or Dickinson, Poe, or Ezra Pound, or e.e. cummings for that matter, if the latter's work moves one just the same as a sonnet by Shakespeare?

@wolfsden6479

2 жыл бұрын

It's fucking real

Art exists so that we can experience without logic and derivations and functions. But for our soul. For love. Things that cannot be imperically measured. If art speaks to your heart- it is beautiful no matter what anyone says.

Mrs. Doubtfire is the best teacher ever.

Powerful scene.

O Captain! My Captain!

i love this movie soo much

This method of teaching needs to come into being once more. You cannot measure forms of expression. You cannot summarize accomplishments into mere text. You cannot teach from a book, but from your own enthusiasm for the subject! To enraptured your students in your enthusiasm and make them WANT to learn more!

@IluvinortheIneffable

2 жыл бұрын

My guy would need a good memory to teach literature without a book

@hithere2426

2 жыл бұрын

is there then no point in writing books related to art? is it ok for us students of art to completely rely on practicality and have no sense of theory at all? genuinely asking, pls answer if you may!

love the quality of the video

My English teacher. Mr C. He was and will always be my Captain my Captain

Iconic to say the very least.

"An art in itself, man has. To take thy beauty and transform it. Elation, warmth, and humanity, Molested and cold calculated."

One of my favorite movies of all time!

3:06 “Here comes the trash! Throw all your introductions in the trash, please!”

Movies used to be like this?? How far we have fallen.

Robert Williams is a great actor!

Chegg: "So it appears you ripped out the entire introduction of the book so we're gonna have to charge you for that."

I love how the ranga is furiously writing all this down

Carpe Diam Robin Willliams. The world could use you right now. We miss you. 💚

Poetry (like all art) is subjective... I may like Disturbed, you may like Lady Ga Ga, he may like Jack Johnson, she may like Bethoven. None of it is wrong. It's art. An expression that can not be measured except by how it moves you. (or doesn't move you)

@organicmachines3225

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, so if something affects you one way, or even the large majority, it doesn't mean anything, because it can be interpreted differently, and somehow all interpretations/opinions are equal. With that argument, nothing is right or wrong, even the argument above, meaning it contradicts itself. It isn't the better option.

@duncanrobertson6472

2 жыл бұрын

@@organicmachines3225 Just because no opinion is wrong doesn’t mean some can be better than others

@organicmachines3225

2 жыл бұрын

@@duncanrobertson6472 If no opinion in incorrect, the all are correct. Meaning you can claim the meaning of some beautiful and famous poem is "banana". Which is completely ridiculous. There are certain, or many certain interpretations, banana is incorrect, and a completely unjust and idiotic interpretation. If nothing is wrong, nothing matters, you should have no problem with me stringing your dogs guts all over my floor, because that option isn't wrong, or any lesser than any other option. Your statement is contradictory. Something lesser is something wrong. There is a right way to do everything. Throwing rocks at a tree isn't an adequate way for building a car.

@duncanrobertson6472

2 жыл бұрын

@@organicmachines3225 My point is there isn't a hard line where something becomes right or wrong. It isn't a math problem. But some interpretations are certainly more right than others. If I were to ask you what the best car in the world was, some answers are better than others, but there are many potential good answers. There are even more potential bad answers, really an infinite number, considering the fact you could say anything. However, there's no objective measure, unless I ask a more specific question.

The excitement from them!

If the book isn't holy text and you paid for it then by all means do what you want with it. If that page is full of shit, better to get rid of it.

i’m in complete and utter love with dalton

✌️, 💕 And Blessings!!!!

Words and ideas can change the works

Aw hell yeah

I've decided to major in English Lit.. and this movie explains why :) such an awesome awesome awesome film!!!

@hamsterr6323

3 жыл бұрын

are you like dead now?

@boxeswithfoxes

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamsterr6323 probably not.

Underrated movie, IMO...

Rip it out... now you can't resell the book.. and every future class will have to buy a brand new copy.

@laurae7777

2 жыл бұрын

Not the point

@tonioene2262

2 жыл бұрын

@@laurae7777 They are not wrong though.

I watched this in Ms. Kasen's class lol

You just as well measure love with a tape measure, love this scene ♥😀

Day seized!

RIP Robin Williams

I want to watch more!

Exactly...

RIP!!!!!!!

I'm a teacher because of this.

Common Core Standards!!

@IAN1107 I agree. While I am structure-oriented, and tend to like measurements, this graph is totally subject to the opinions of the one drawing the graph. You and I could read the same poem and come up with two completely different "scores" based on our interpretation, background knowledge, and personal preference.

1.26 - 1.31 is so funny. He's eating in class

@4rtsyval

7 жыл бұрын

Ok, but me everyday at school.

@maxysnaxy6648

7 жыл бұрын

Valentina Vázquez Serrato yo dats me with my lunch after lunch :P

My honors English teacher was a Bill Buckley version of Keating

I miss him...

@willfucker Loved the "can't dance to it" line.

Rip and tear until its art

I remember the first time I saw this scene... I thought it was the more non-sencical method of rating poetry I have ever seen/heard/known of.

"This is no way to teach accounting!"

When I hear people talking about how the "Bechdel test" should be an objective standard used to judge movies.

@stefanmakara373

3 жыл бұрын

Bechdel test was made to be used widely on movies to prove a point about lacking of well developed female characters. Individual movies can have well reasons not to have them- case in point, DPS takes place in an old boys boarding school.

Wow l liked this part

Why did my teacher make me watch this for english class? This is 100% math class

@boxeswithfoxes

3 жыл бұрын

Well its learning in depth of poetry.

Just a great movie! Carpe Diem!

@jamesanthony5681

3 жыл бұрын

The first half of the movie, yes. Didn't like it when the kid committed suicide.

i would like to do that one in my class

Every teacher I had that did this after…ripped this off ;)

Ripping a book page with a ruler.. That is beating foundation in any normal school

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may

Rip and Tear *DOOM music intensifies*

•Tsk!• •Eye-Roll• Scotsmen…..

I've seen this movie before...but i cannot remember it well...although i can't remember what context of this movie was, i know this movie is very enlightening

Few people get the irony of the scene, Mr. Keating wants to cultivate free thinkers- yet he has them rip out and dismiss someone’s ideas. If Mr. Keating was the awesome teacher that we think he was, then he would’ve said “this is but one way to think about if poetry is “good“ or not. I will let you decide for yourselves if Mr. Prichard is correct”

I wouldn't want to rip the pages out probably because I would have rented out the book or I was planning to sell it XD

@youmustcreateachanne

5 жыл бұрын

Prep school - they're not buying/renting/selling textbooks.

3.05 be like: om nom nom.

His teachings are also (I think Robin Williams said it best) "Excrement".