It's insane how they had such a good thing going by the end of WHII and they threw it all away

@russell6075

9 ай бұрын

Greed causes corruption

@torum6448

9 ай бұрын

Yep and it all happened so quickly, like i still remember a couple years ago, we were all enjoying TWWHII waiting and being hyped about III and then just one shitstorm after another.

@deleted4577

9 ай бұрын

All WHIII needed to do was fix sieges, add new factions and build on what the WHII team had created... instead they said "screw what you guys did, we can do it better!" and then collectively shit the bed. @@torum6448

@briarblack7437

9 ай бұрын

I have literally never seen a game with more "shut up and take my money" going for it than Total Warhammer 2. I don't know how you could so readily just toss that on the fire. Like bro... wat?

@KrytoRift

9 ай бұрын

Marvel, Disney, blizzard, warner bros etc etc....this is all corporations seem to know how to do

RIP Hyenas You were never wanted, and will be forgotten

@HippoKing1991

9 ай бұрын

Rest in pieces right?

@bificommander7472

9 ай бұрын

It will rest in peace, because no one cares enough to bother it.

@DzinkyDzink

9 ай бұрын

Oh no, not forgotten. We will parade its' corpse as a testament to Sega's greed and shortsightedness for at least a year!

@Grivehn

9 ай бұрын

I hope they have another game prepared named Vultures to pick apart the corpses of Hyenas. Rob Bartholomew ought to feel like an utter fool. He already was anyway, but he should feel like the part now, too.

@TotalWarFanboyCringe

9 ай бұрын

100%

Jeez legend you didn't have to give away all my tax avoidance strategies And as of 2 hours after upload CA have announced redundancies

@frickjames4089

9 ай бұрын

*Sips Yorkshire tea slowly*

@vangoghsseveredear

9 ай бұрын

Hyenas was perfectly balanced with no exploits, of course

@diaco90

9 ай бұрын

How to unlike your comment?

@KavvanShrike

9 ай бұрын

was afraid the redundancies would happen :(

@adriankoch964

9 ай бұрын

Feels bad for the developers losing their jobs. Esp if it was people that had been shifted off TW for Hyenas.

CA: Buy the DLC or we will cancel Warhammer TW!!!! Sega: Cancels Hyenas

@thecircusfreak5364

9 ай бұрын

CA management needs to be completely axed. CA absolutely does not innovate and now we know why. They operate on thin margins.

@liofalba

9 ай бұрын

Tbh the DLC unit probably has huge margins (it’s like 20 people), but they don’t get the volume CA wants or needs, so those margins are eaten up by developing new titles to grow.

@tym6217

9 ай бұрын

Buy the DLC or we will cancel the only game trilogy that has kept our company afloat for more than half a decade!

@ninetailedfox579121

9 ай бұрын

​@@thecircusfreak5364Tell that to Sega then. CA is owned by Sega, if Sega wants them to make a game they don't have a choice.

@OiMitch

9 ай бұрын

😅😅

0:20 "I'm not really here to celebrate Hyenas being cancelled" Thumbnail of Smiling Tombstone meme

@ashesofaranea

9 ай бұрын

gotta make some good thumbnails on youtube, and that was great

@sweden4thewin

9 ай бұрын

🤣

@iSlowhands

9 ай бұрын

Well, I am. So glad that atrocity is out of existence for good.

@xarfai6124

9 ай бұрын

But I'm here to celebrate. Good riddance!

So when they said "increasing costs of development", what they really meant was "decreasing profit margins"

@stewie4467

9 ай бұрын

did you figure that one out on your own?

@cemtastemir109

9 ай бұрын

It means layoffs, no more saga titles, death of wh3, and return to medieval 3

@StroggKingu

9 ай бұрын

Right and you think it would make them heaps od cash?

@guilliman1990

9 ай бұрын

​@@cemtastemir109lol twh is their only money maker. 💰

@Neothunder240

9 ай бұрын

Well in this case they are going at a loss, no profits whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure I didn't hear anything about this game until yesterday, where I was confused hearing about a game called "Hyenas" for the first time during the Kroq-Gar livestream. The next day I find out it's dead. My head canon will now be Kroq-Gar killing and eating it.

@sinuosalice-1434

9 ай бұрын

All part of the great plan

@Klongu_Da_Bongu

9 ай бұрын

It is written on the plaques!

@Persona6Blue

9 ай бұрын

Man i love it when dad gamers crawl out of a rock to see the apocalyptic setting of the current gaming industry and are like "This is the first im hearing of this!" Im assuming youre older of course but even if you arent its nore so just the mindset of not minding anything aside from your own business. This isnt an insult either I just think its funny is all.

@cryptosporidium01

9 ай бұрын

This is the most based comment I have ever read on a total war channel

@TtotheCizzel

9 ай бұрын

quantum computing

I can't imagine how mad I'd be if I were a dev getting laid off today while the CPO responsible for consistent, moronic decisions get's to keep his job. FFS this kind of leadership should almost be considered corporate sabotage at this point.

@nathanstruble2177

9 ай бұрын

You'd think capitalism would have a mechanism for self correcting this, but apparently it is simply impossible for these people to be held accountable for all the Capital they lost. Oh and also jobs and livelyhoods and all that "human" garbage etc etc... The cause awaits you comrade 🛠️

@nathanstruble2177

9 ай бұрын

☭

@zaleost

9 ай бұрын

@@nathanstruble2177 The mechanism largely comes in the form of the company as a whole failing and going under if the people at the top make too many bad decision. In any other system if anything the people at the top are even safer and less accountable if things go wrong as they're always going to get bailed out and can keep going regardless of how terribly everything is getting managed.

@Klongu_Da_Bongu

9 ай бұрын

@@nathanstruble2177 Yeah I would rather have 50 out of touch CEO's that smelly commie hippies running stuff.

@StoicGoat.

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, what we're looking at here is corporatism or crony-capitalism, which is not the same thing as capitalism. And yes, I am aware how much that statement resembles the no true communism argument.

Sucks for the people who wasted their time and are probably going to lose their jobs because of inept management

@Chickidydow

9 ай бұрын

Yeah but they're Bri*ish so who cares

@GyroGarrison

9 ай бұрын

Let's hope both the assets and folk used in the project are re-used *wisely*

@blebcat

9 ай бұрын

@@GyroGarrison Have you seen the characters in that? I hope the assets aren't reused..

@dogolionnovelder4951

9 ай бұрын

NOOO MY HECKING WHOLESOME DEVELOPERS SHOULD NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IS ALWAYS JUST OLD SUIT MEN FAULT!

@Featherus_

9 ай бұрын

Apparently the entire dev team has been laid off already.

An idea that was probably made by suits that want to enter a market they know nothing about but could make a lot of money. Massive shame a lot of good devs put time and effort into a project that was poorly thought out, and will probably now be laid off while the people at the top have no negative effects

@RiskOfBaer

9 ай бұрын

As a person who has been a victim of this exact situation: this is the sad reality of it unfortunately. It's even worse when you KNOW something is a bad idea, your coworkers know it's a bad idea, and you actually try to convince people above you about it to avoid a train crash. And nobody listens, or their heads are too far up their own behinds to see past their own points of view and notice. Been there too. Me and one other guy tried for a good half a year to steer away the company in a different direction before eventually giving up and just doing what they wanted us to do. And by that I really mean we tried: we created business cases with actual data, did market research on what we were trying to do, actually managed to convince one of the executives at a company, and presented all of those things to other execs and even the CEO at one occasion. But nope, they all thought they knew better because in their own circles they all talked about how all of this is great and will be fantastic. Completely out of touch with the actual people on the ground. You see this mentality way too often, the whole "Metaverse" nonsense is probably the biggest profile example of this very thing that happened relatively recently. Nobody actually wanted this, but every CEO has convinced themselves about how fantastic idea it is and how it's the future by talking to the people from their own echochamber who think the exact same things... Well, at least you get to enjoy some schadenfreude when it all eventually crashes, and you get to say "I told you so" with a smug grin as the company is forced to fire people ot stay afloat. You included.

@stewie4467

9 ай бұрын

suits don't come up with projects lmao.

@xangry2834

9 ай бұрын

@@stewie4467 i assume he means greenlit project which they absolutely do. their mid level project managers must have pitched it and showed them bs charts of how much money they would make and brainrotten execs believed it and went ahead. this screams that their market researching and consumer understanding is 0. instead of investing into smarter people they just keep eating their garbage like a champ

@Klongu_Da_Bongu

9 ай бұрын

@@stewie4467 No, they give guidelines. And since fortnite is popular (All the kids are playing it these days - Old man) The guidelines are: 1. Cartoon gfx (Good for kids and cheap) 2. NO GRIT (No violence, no swearing, otherwise the old people and "family" people will complain) 3. Hero Shooter 4. Multiplayer only 5. Massive gacha microtransaction systems

@BloodyArchangelus

9 ай бұрын

I hope they at least were laundering some money...

And then there's me, who had no idea that Hyenas even existed before this video.

@Viper40758

9 ай бұрын

I never saw any marketing for it. Only heard about it from Legend a couple weeks ago in a review of shadows of change.

@Guaguadeath

9 ай бұрын

Yup same lol

@DaUziel

9 ай бұрын

Right??

@jahjah7940

9 ай бұрын

You missed nothing of value

Legend's point about Hyenas probably being cancelled ages ago makes total sense in hindsight. The Hyenas YT channel has been dark for almost a month (not that the were huge posters to begin with), their twitter page that used to regularly post once every couple of days has been silent for almost a week and the huge long winded marketing campaign they had going on suddenly died in the arse two weeks ago, with barely any marketing to be seen since then. It almost feels like SEGA pulled the plug and then the Hyenas team said "wait wait wait just let us do some marketing. It'll pull through honest." And then two weeks ago SEGA finally said "Enough. Your marketing failed. We're canning the game."

@lewishand3531

9 ай бұрын

@DillsyYourDaddy67 I have no doubt that the average CA worker found out only a few hours before us. What Legend and I are suggesting is the the higher ups at CA have known about Hyenas impending cancellation for much longer.

@mrbigglezworth42

9 ай бұрын

There was an open beta before the canceling, the number of people who signed up was downright abysmal. Something like 500 or so people, which if your Sega and your looking at this project just hemorrhaging money with no foreseeable future, it makes more sense to kill the project and stop CA from wasting more funds on a dud.

what is dead can't die

@zaldite9676

9 ай бұрын

Then allow me to introduce you to Vlad.

@tetrisint

9 ай бұрын

@@zaldite9676 wrong. He is undead )

@DzinkyDzink

9 ай бұрын

But rises again stron.... oh wait, wrong franchise..

@atari947

9 ай бұрын

What is dead may never die! Asha Queen!

@juliojuarez172

9 ай бұрын

What is dead may never die 🤚

I completely agree that this will likely have big negative impacts on TWW3's future but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't experiencing a large degree of schadenfreude over this.

@tankbear2402

9 ай бұрын

Gute alte Schadenfreude (good old Schadenfreude) XD

@sinuosalice-1434

9 ай бұрын

Wh3 hit rock bottom, it's either up or straight into the shadows real with 3 kingdoms from here

@Klongu_Da_Bongu

9 ай бұрын

I don't understand, doesn't this mean more time and money will be given to ElectorCounthammer? (Yeah I know it sounds naive, I know)

@Waltarwhiet

9 ай бұрын

​@@Klongu_Da_BonguThey invested so much money into a project, only for it to be cancelled and all the money to go down the drain with no profits. That means something has to compensate for all the lost funding that went into Hyenas, that means employees could get fired, content might be cut and development processes can slow down. Besides it can result in a lot of other chaos within the studio. It's far more likely to damage TWW3 than it is going to benefit it.

@mertroll1

9 ай бұрын

@@Waltarwhietthe money didnt go down the drain tho, i mean yeah sure for the Directive Board it might seem like that but you have to remember all this money they invested into the game was probably just the wages of all the actual game developers. So at least people got payed and they had a chance to make money

I came here to rip on Hyrenas, ended up learning corporate microeconomics from Prof. Legend we live in strange times

@StarshadowMelody

9 ай бұрын

And we need to fight back against the looming Microsoft threat, _Hard._

@xyro3633

9 ай бұрын

​@@StarshadowMelodyIronically, Microsoft might do a better job than SEGA

@GeraltofRivia22

9 ай бұрын

​@@xyro3633no. Microsoft sucks. Look what they're doing to Minecraft. Halo is in the toilet. Xbox is a dying brand. The only thing they know how to do is the Disney strategy of buy every IP they can and hope that somehow leads to success.

A pyrrhic victory lads

@bificommander7472

9 ай бұрын

If we wait 3 turns, will the dev teams be fully replenished?

@KorsAir1987

9 ай бұрын

public order is still at an all time low

@DzinkyDzink

9 ай бұрын

@@bificommander7472 Nah Beastmen will spawn in the area and raze the minor settlement with the barracks.

@thethirdsicily4802

9 ай бұрын

​@@DzinkyDzinkraze it with the new Tzaangors they just gave us

@The77Voice

9 ай бұрын

​@@DzinkyDzinkI'm more inclined to expect a herd stone and ritual to salt the earth for a while.

I heard that the FREE beta test got 1000 players or less, which was probably a good indicator to the people in charge that even fewer people would pay for this

Imagine how bad something has to be for CA to cancel its release.

@obi-wan3916

9 ай бұрын

SEGA cancelled it, the CA chief devs working on it are clearly delusional

@Zoey--

9 ай бұрын

They released Rome Total War 2 in an unplayable state. So yeah Hyenas must have been atrocious.

@blodstainer

9 ай бұрын

​@@Zoey--no that's not how these things work.

@blodstainer

9 ай бұрын

​@@Zoey--management makes these decisions based on very different criteria than what you listed.

@The77Voice

9 ай бұрын

Heroes shooters make money from the F2P model of cosmetics. If the projected player base is too low matchmaking will be slow, the games population will plummet further and they won't even make enough to run the servers and pay two guys to make more skins.

VGC has already announced that sources have told them that there will be layoffs at CA in the wake of this. Which will undoubtedly result in ground floor devs getting fired and managers and execs either staying where they are or getting a big fat check on their way out. I don't see how this can be considered a good thing in any way

@derpthebugbear

9 ай бұрын

If CA goes under, then modding in TW:WH I-III will be unleashed, and with the advent of campaign map modding in WH III that means total conversions that have been "banned" so far. So the silver lining would be a renaissance of Total War modding. Imagine a LotR total war with a custom campaign map, like what was made in medieval 2.

@NandolfBlockbuster

9 ай бұрын

@@derpthebugbear TW:WH is a licensed game. If the license isn't renewed, the game may just go down on all platforms

@FujimoraPantsu2

9 ай бұрын

Sega isn't in danger of going under. Even if CA folded tomorrow Sega isn't gonna let that free money generator go down on all platforms. @@NandolfBlockbuster

@derpthebugbear

9 ай бұрын

@@NandolfBlockbuster The only times that has ever happened (Where a game was even removed from user libraries) was for always online games, and even then that is exceedingly rare. I still have some old MMOs in my library list that are no longer available. Almost EVERY time something like that happens, it gets removed from the store, but it will remain in user libraries (whether installed or not) if a user owned it prior to it's removal from the store. The closest examples to your scenario was with Grid, Dirt 3, F1 2013, and Tony Hawk Pro Skater HD among others. In those cases the MUSIC rights expired, and those games were taken off the store. Users who had purchased those games prior to their removal still had access to them in their Steam libraries.

That GW warhammer corporate greed corruption really got them

@Lefreemanyt

9 ай бұрын

They've definitely been hanging around with GW execs for too long

Suddenly have the urge to play war thunder

@aputin654

9 ай бұрын

lmao, 100%. Dawg got us to stare at a war thunder advert for 13 mins straight

@Nightmare_52

9 ай бұрын

Better game than hyenas that's for sure

@DzinkyDzink

9 ай бұрын

Don't do that mistake, brother. It's not worth it.

@GeraltofRivia22

9 ай бұрын

At least the War Thunder devs actually listened after the revolt. The game has substantially improved in the last few months. Just recently they reorganised the research trees and massively reduced research costs for tons of vehicles.

@Nightmare_52

9 ай бұрын

just a shame it took a literal uproar for them to do anything positive

Big F, but hopefully it means TWWH 3 will get the support it deserves internally by CA

@Canadish

9 ай бұрын

No chance sadly. Layoffs and now need to recap 100 million. Expect less for more going forward.

@scarletcroc3821

9 ай бұрын

Hard to say with the layoffs that are seemingly planned at CA

@Prushinthespirit

9 ай бұрын

Admitting mistakes and hardworking to improve on them is just not how things work in the companies. So they'll just put a toll on their other projects instead.

@vip878

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's how they spent our "dlc Money", good job CEO

@Rex1987

9 ай бұрын

if you look at the Segasammy report, they have said that in general they have lost money due to inflation and the economic downturn in the EU region, meaning they're not getting more money to invest back in to Warhammer 3. It not like they have a ton of new money to invest into more DLC or updates for warhammer 3.

The canceling of Hyenas is better than both of the alternatives at this point. It will stop being a money sink and won't suck any more resources. Had it been a success, we would have seen a shift in priorities for CA, which also would have been bad for TW. So I see this as the best outcome of a shitty situation. It also shows that they are aware of the opinions of the community, atleast somewhat aware.

@enjoythestruggle

9 ай бұрын

'Had it been a success', hahahahahaha. That's just so funny to imagine.

I feel so sorry for the poor dev team of the game

I was literally expecting Legend to release a video as soon as I heard about the cancellation. Nice video.

I feel like it was an experiment, something well out of their wheelhouse with the dev team of alien isolation needing something to do next, alien isolation was also well out of left field for CA and it was a massive success but they should have just made their next game smaller scale singleplayer game that didn't have such grand expenses. I hope they get whoever did the alien AI onto the warhammer team now and hopefully sega doesn't just fire them all.

@guywalker1196

9 ай бұрын

The Alien Isolation team has been gone a long time. Most of them aren't even at the company anymore

@philmcdonald3322

9 ай бұрын

Alien Isolation is an excellent game, but it was also kind of a niche title- didn't sell enough units for Sega to consider it as a success, since the audience for horror games isn't as big as the major looter shooters and there's less recurring spending when you can't ram in some microtransactions and in game currencies. Excellent game, considered a flop by the publisher since they're only in it for the revenue.

@lolgetowned

9 ай бұрын

alien isolation had an existing audience. I don’t think drag queen enthusiasts play extraction shooters.

@guywalker1196

9 ай бұрын

@KavvanShrike That's 3 people. From a team of 100. And only one of them has confirmed to have worked on Hyenas Someone from CA confirmed many of them had moved on in response to fans asking if there was any chance of Alien Isolation 2. Edit: and those that have stayed have clearly been working things other than Hyenas since 2014

@Supercohboy

9 ай бұрын

Wait, what? CA: Here, we're going to have you work on a special pet project, it's a small singleplayer game and we hope it works out. Also CA: Hey, small-singleplayer-game devs, what's the thing that's popular with the kids right now? Yeah, we're gonna have you make one of those. I don't care that means you're working on a large-scale multiplayer game now and don't have much experience or technology to make that happen, you're making it damnit! If that's actually what happened, Jesus, I don't even want to visit the UK any more, it has been soiled beyond recognition between the cabbage thing, GW, CA, etc lmao

"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one"

…why are you talking to Volound? You just chucked that in there at the end with no explanation?

Don't punch a man when he's down, kick him, it's easier. Now excuse me while I get me boots. 🤣

Shout out to Volund...dafuq bro

@Theanimeisforme

9 ай бұрын

How about no show out to that begger and thief.

Funny how they say lack of interest killed it but this is literally the first time i've ever heard of it. lol

I really appreciate the variety of your content. Didn't think I would get so invested in a discussion about stocks and the games industry.

@feintfaint7213

9 ай бұрын

Its informative, its not like yellowflash. While the news exposure is appreciated, but its like, different

Damn the winds of change did change everything lol

A projected 14.3bn yen of losses in just 1 year is (if I can put on the right number of zeros to the number) £75.5m, which would be enough to buy everyone's houses outright in a small village, but not enough to satisfy Greasus Goldtooth

Legend: "I do run my own business and I know you can get creative with your accounting" Legends accountant: "/Facepalm"

The person who had the Hyenas idea is, if I am not mistken, a new top manager formerly from EA thay hired during that period.

I do still wonder though if CA is actually making more money out of these price increases or not. Since although they're certainly taking in more per sale, the lower number of sales due to that higher price could still mean they're making less overall or even just roughly the same amount as before. Meaning that the new price gouging phase they're going through might not be gaining them that much in exchange for the large amounts of good will they've been loosing.

@Dr.AvenVon

9 ай бұрын

you have to remember that many, many gamers don't care about their money and throiw it at anything that looks interesting, and warhammer fans on top of that are used to pay tons of money for stuff. as muich as I hate it, but the total warhammer fans will continue to buy every shit overpriced dlc CA will give us

@zaleost

9 ай бұрын

@@Dr.AvenVon Going by how little traction Pharaoh seems to be getting and how SoC appears to have underperformed relative to previous DLC (going by player counts), it does look like players aren't just eating up whatever CA throws at them.

@Person01234

9 ай бұрын

They 100% are. With a 50% price increase they would have to drop ~33% of sales to be worse off financially which they definitely didn't.

@corn776

9 ай бұрын

@@zaleostThey’ve also doubled the price of the DLC. 10 copies of a $10 DLC is $100, while 5 copies of a $25 DLC is $250. The price gouging greatly makes up for the lack of players, especially since there’s ~1100 reviews when I checked a while ago, which is at least a guaranteed $27,500 (not counting a majority of players who didn’t review it)

@IceniTotalWar

9 ай бұрын

Don't know how much money they're generating from these sales but I do know they're generating a lot of ill will from the community.

This was a very mature and insightful take Legend, thank you. That said, I can't help but feel like a video consisting of nothing but this video's thumbnail and you laughing for a minute straight, with no other context than the title, would have been great.

Hopefully more support for warhammer 3 going forward

"Fukkin hyenas" - Baldrick, the Rat King

I’d have never played Hyenas, but I still feel sorry for the dev team who put in all the time and effort to make it seeing it all go up in smoke. 😢

The reason you cancel a game like this is: Like you said, prestige reasons If you cancel a product or game you are able to write off the loss against your taxes, their actuaries must have deemed the write off more value than potential income from the game

@sinuosalice-1434

9 ай бұрын

The spent little to no money on advertisements so if they wanted to pull out this was the time

@danpitzer765

9 ай бұрын

There's another reason. Rare to see, but it does happen. Look at the history of the Everquest IP, and the reason for the canning of EQ3. The devs assembled the whole game (it had been worked on in a modular fashion), and called it 'anti-fun'. With that statement, EQ3 died on the spot, after years of fairly high profile development and many millions of dollars.

@NiklasMJ

9 ай бұрын

@@sinuosalice-1434 Advertisement is completely over rated this day and age.. it cost's nothing to get the game in the hands of a lot of youtubers/twitch streamers, and we all know what happens when a good game gets in the hands of those people, it spreads like a plague.. so yeah when EA, ACTI-BLIZZ spends more than the development cost's on advertising games it's an insane waste of money by people with no understand of internet culture and social media.. and to be honest i am not entirely convinced that ''marketing'' cost's ain't just the higher ups putting alot of the money directly in their pockets tbh..

@GeraltofRivia22

9 ай бұрын

Same reason Batgirl was cancelled despite being 90% complete.

That was the deepest take I’ve seen so far. Hope CA finds its way back to some good games.

Your video description had me in tears, lol

Imagine the lost work/time/resources this shortsighted blunder caused. All that could have been put into Medieval 3 or what I hope to see in this lifetime, Empire 2.

@Supercohboy

9 ай бұрын

While it's frustrating and I feel for the devs, I do want to a pull a small whataboutism and point out that this happens all the time, and how horrific that is. Millions of humans have dedicated billions of hours of effort, trillions of calories of energy, all on efforts that resulted in predictable failure. People have died building walls that didn't keep the enemies away, spent their lives working on chemistry formulas that lead nowhere, designed countless inventions that work incredibly well but didn't have market appeal, leading to destitution. I'm sorry for the Hyenas devs, all I can hope is that they didn't put too much of their heart and soul into what was always going to be a silly for-profit venture, not a product that was probably ever intended to be "good" or worth spending time on.

@LiquidDIO

9 ай бұрын

Except I really don't want current CA making Medieval 3. Not without some significant backtracking in the level of of access to the console that they currently allow. It's the reason Medieval 2 is still relevant, aside from being a masterpiece of a game, the console access allows for all the best mods.

@thadshaftrammer

9 ай бұрын

Do you really want to see that with the state CA is in rn?

@TroPy1n

9 ай бұрын

@@LiquidDIO If not for CA, than who? Such a niche genre that combines both tactical and strategic gameplay. Empire will always be my fav, together with Darth or Radious, with Additional Units Mod. The sheer scale of battle with smoke and sound effect and so many unique regiments. PixellatedApollo has video/replay of a 4v4 (in Napoleon tho) centered around a side of mounten, the back and forth and the scale of loss is incredible

@LiquidDIO

9 ай бұрын

@@TroPy1n The best parts of Empire and Napoleon are the mods though, not just the sandbox CA made. To answer your question, I'm not sure. The problem is lack of competition for CA's crown, which has made them complacent and more predatory. The real question is, is current CA even capable of making a Medieval 2 anymore? The best parts of Med2 is how unabashedly undumbed down it is. Merchants, princesses still being a thing, the amount of ways you could play, the level of town/castle control.

I've got many thoughts on this: cant think of the last time a game was cancelled this late in development, morbid silver lining, that frees up staff for the much needed custodian team. if microsoft were to buy them and then gets blizzard next month, warcraft total war could be a thing. F for the devs

@sydorovich2532

9 ай бұрын

Don't put your faith on Microsoft, they had a ton of opportunities since their big buying spree since 2020 yet their games are almost nowhere to be seen and we get Starfield mess.

love your input to this whole situation from different sort of corporate view, great insight, cheers

I love these first year University-level videos explaining business practices from Legend. Keep it up, mate.

Hopefully, they'll focus on the TW series.

I feel bad for all the people who were hired specifically for it, as there was a huge recruitment drive, and I think it was binned because they realised dlc/premium content wouldn’t be worth it which resulted in them pulling it for the brand image reason you suggested

@MrViki60

9 ай бұрын

I don't.

@SillyPillow

9 ай бұрын

@@MrViki60 A lack of humanity is nothing to be proud of, little guy.

Chasing trends is always a surefire way for a development team to fall flat on their face.

Oh boy I was waiting for this video!!!!

I know it was a doomed thing, but im surprised they actually canceled than go through with it.

@erikvannik5208

9 ай бұрын

Smart thing right now would be to make it free with small (NOT EA TYPE) microtransactions

@Haan22

9 ай бұрын

@@erikvannik5208 Probably wouldn't pull in enough to pay for servers and staffers.

@erikvannik5208

9 ай бұрын

@@Haan22 yes, but will cancelling do better?

@derpthebugbear

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, given the way corporations have been going in today's culture, I'd have expected them to double and triple down on Hyenas and release it knowing that it would flop, and then blame the customer base and call everyone bigots for not buying the game when it inevitably failed.

@Charlys787

9 ай бұрын

SEGA canceled it because they can save a more money at taxes then they would have profit from the release

never even heard about this game somehow, but I'm sure am glad after seeing those screenshots. How hard can it be to just milk TWW 3 properly before you get license for Lord of the Rings or some other fantasy universe?

@IsoMSS

9 ай бұрын

Very hard apparantly

@exantiuse497

9 ай бұрын

Last time I checked the LotR license was held by WB. And once it expires you can bet it will be highly contested by Activision, EA etc. Sega isn't going to compete against those guys

I like economy evaluation and CA speculation LegendofTotalWar. It's exceptionally fun to hear your insight.

Sadly, it's the first time for a long while that I feel happy about news concerning CA.

The domino effect of this event would be abyssmal

I was quite worried about CA when I saw their expansion of personnel almost doubling their employees in all but total war development. I kind of expected this

Because of videos like these I can imagine Legend making business related content

I never thought I'd sit here and listen to Legend explain tax evasion, but I'm here for it lol

This feeling... Elation. I forgot how it feels. It's pretty good

That part where they were praising the Pachinko division has ominous tidings of Konomi. We do not want it to go that way. It took /SO FREAKING LONG/ to get Konomi to do *anything* but Pachinko again, and we still don't have a new Castlevania game, not even a remaster.

This is the Best thing that can happen for the future of Total War !! SEGA finally saw the light and put Total War company focus on Total War Titles..

You touched on the elephant in the room at the end there. As much as I hate to admit it, Steam's 30% cut is a cancer and we're feeling it's effects.

It was really that hard to take TWW2 and do the same game but with the whole map and Daemons ? I guess it was. Now here we are waiting to see if CA do the right thing and come back to develop TWW3 as it should after this Hyenas debacle. I highly doubt it, more likely they are going to fall badly.

@SleepyFen

9 ай бұрын

At this point the community and the biggest content creators in it have positioned themselves as being mostly if not completely hostile to the idea that Total War: Warhammer 3 can be improved. Every update that CA puts out on bugfixing the game gets hundreds and hundreds of comments wishing for the game to die. If CA decides to abandon the project, they're honestly just giving the vocal part of the community what they've been begging for for the past months. The people spamming hostile verbal abuse against CA instead of providing calm and reasonable feedback need to drop the pretense that they ever wanted the game to get better, because in reality they're just happy to have found an excuse to vent all of their daily rage and frustrations and think it's more fun to burn shit short term than to wait for things to improve. It is sad and pathetic that the content creators didn't take responsibility for whipping the community into a hostile frenzy sooner. We should all want the game to be as good as it can be, but instead every upvoted comment just wants to see shit burn.

@pablodiazrueda9630

9 ай бұрын

@@SleepyFen nah, I stop reading when you said that people are wishing this Game dies. Utterly nonsense. Nobody said they want the Game to die, that's stupid. But good luck trying to blame this debacle on players and their dumb way of expresing themselves, you must work as a CA executive with your kind of logic.

@SleepyFen

9 ай бұрын

@@pablodiazrueda9630 "@eternal.aussie 9 minutes ago @SleepyFen I don’t care for soyhammer I’ve been playing since medieval 1 I hope Warhammer is dogshit lol. I will continue to hope this franchise collapses until they remember how good the Masterclass period (shogun-medieval 2 with shogun2 included)" But hey, don't just take my word for it. Literally look at the comments of any post that CA has made for the past 2 months and you'll find it full of people who are waiting at the edge of their seats for Warhammer to die so they can dance around the pyre. Constructive and destructive criticism are not the same. 95 % of the comments I read these days are people wanting the company to suffer and the franchise to burn. And yet these same people will pretend that they're "helping" because they refuse to take responsibility for the fact that they're just trolls looking for an excuse to fling shit.

@milani1480

9 ай бұрын

@@SleepyFenI was gonna write this long ol post about how wrong you are but you just seem too extremely emotionally invested in a shit product to really care,l anyways, so I’m just gonna thank you for the chuckle instead

I genuinely had no idea what hyenas was. Even with all the people in legends community talking about it, I still didn’t feel motivated enough to even investigate. Pretty much sums up what hyenas was, it seems.

I was waiting for this video as soon i heard the new

The thing with MS buying all those companies is: why did those "juggernauts" of gaming even had to sell. The problems those publishers and studios have are not automatically fixed by throwing MS money at them, because money doesn't 100% fix creative bancruptcy. Bethesda for example comes accross like a football player way past his prime still getting a ton of money from a Saudi club. Most gaming companies feed and thrive on nostalgia these days.

Oh no!!!! 😭😭😓😓😢😢😢.... but what was Hyenas?

Insert the lion king hyenas laughing gif

"I'm not here to rub salt in the wound..." >the thumbnail

That's probably 20 million dollars of development thrown away.

i think you should read some of these articles because they actually answer a lot of questions. CA staff were told hours before segas announcement according to a source IGN has, and sega has already announced more or less this year theyre looking for layoffs in their european studios, citing increased cost of doing buisness there. So CA might be getting a fair bit of layoffs which isn’t going to be very good

It's almost like the executives at CA are running the company into financial ruin by completely ignoring their consumers; and now we are fed up with funding projects no one wanted or asked for 🙂 Time for the community to come together to get rid of our ol pal Rob Bartholomew. This was his doing, why should the developers and artists have to lose their livelihood right when we are going into a global recession; while he gets to keep taking home his 6 figure pay checks and bonuses?

I was wondering what your reaction would be to this lol immediately thought of you when I heard the news. Didn't think you make a video about it tho so happy surprise! Cheers!

Btw, that picture is just... i can't believe how well it fits 😂😂😂😂

If Thrones of Decay hits it out of the park with the Empire and Dwarf additions (I just don't care about Nurgle) even with the price increase I'll buy it. I really don't mind paying money for great work. CA just need to focus on doing their jobs well to have any chance at surviving (assuming there is even hope left).

It is also curious on the Sega document. It seems the DLC price increase was a direct order from Sega, not CA. The language about cost is identical, and it may be likely the statement we got was a Bobby Kottick styled move of Sega writing the statement, and a CA scapegoat name being added to it.

@BloodyArchangelus

9 ай бұрын

You THINK CA? HAVE ANY FREEDOM FROM JAPANESE OVERLORDS? AHAHAHHA

@dxc699

9 ай бұрын

It was both and political. SEGA was intending to increase prices anyway, the reason for this was they need to start making money for the Rovio/angry birds deal. Another was Sega japan personally invested in Hyenas separate from the usual budget CA gets. CA went with it and set the price because they thought the DLC could save Hyenas as the reason SEGA started spending a lot on CA was to do with TW consistent success. They were hoping the DLC would sway the decision and prove they still can deliver. If we can sell TW DLC this successfully imagine how successful HYENAS can be, kinda thing. Three things killed that game. DLC didnt sell well. The lack of gamer interest. The rovio deal has upset costs so they need to cutback in order to save money and HYENAS was the biggest game production outside SEGA japan and CA the largest Sega european studio. Because the entire consumer division made less money everything is getting cut in order to please the stock holders and the market who was against SEGA buying rovio in the first place.

@BloodyArchangelus

9 ай бұрын

You have too many insides without any proper sources. Links pls. @@dxc699

@GeraltofRivia22

9 ай бұрын

​@@dxc699so what morons at SEGA thought buying Rovio would be a good idea? They should all get fired for incompetence.

Great analysis as ever legend

A "shake up" of Total War is very welcome and needed.

What a shocker LOL

Aww Legend your business plans of converting your channel to LegendOfHyenas has been ruined!

You forgot the 3rd audience for this: "What the hell is/was Hyenas?"

hyenas literally went "I'll see you next time, fuckers"

wowzers. was not expecting them to cancel this game lol

What if the changeling was the one to greenlight hyena?? On a second thought changeling is better than the one who greenlight hyena, he can't do that bad of a scheme

@anthroposmetron4475

9 ай бұрын

The Changeling is working for Microsoft? It all makes sense now.

@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz

9 ай бұрын

If you told me Microsoft was a Tzeetch coven I wouldn't ask for evidence.

Id love to see updates for this subject.

Goddamn, when did you become the best news channel on YT?

The true reason this game got cancelled was to do with Rovio. SEGA spent a lot on buying Rovio apparently against the share holders wishes and in order to make them happy they cutting back on european operations because new titles like COH 3 didn't perform well and that studio got hit with layoffs and restructuring. Since Creative Assembly is the biggest Sega studio in europe they were going to bare the brunt of the cutbacks. If SEGA wasn't investing in various projects that are very expensive like the upcoming super game projects, the casino resort they planning in japan, i dont think this game would have been cancelled. The alpha and beta tests was unusual for SEGA to be so public about which most likely indicates that this was CA's attempt to show SEGA japan that there will be customers for the game. When historically SEGA and their divisions have never been open to public opinion during game development. They would just test the game inhouse, show previews to the public and then release it. So clearly Sega japan was looking into if this game was worth being saved or not because it is the closest one finished. People who are celebrating think this is going to be normal like it was before think again, the TW pricing was probably to do with the Rovio situation. They were trying to make a quick profit margin in order to save HYENAS because Sega was going to cancel it, and because Total War always performed well for SEGA which was the reason SEGA invested more money for CA to grow and make other games in the first place, CA thought if the DLC did exceptionally well it could help in their favor. So it wasn't to do with resources being taken away from TW. Also the report said restructure of the entire europe division which means cutbacks from across the board. For those who don't know when SEGA closed the deal to buy Rovio, Sega Sammy borrowed the money from a Japanese bank to make the purchase. Now they have to pay back that money with interest and because the european side isnt making as much buck outside Football manager and TW and that the money was allocated for Sega europe to buy rovio in the first place they were going to get hit especially with the recent market environment. I suspect that its not just cancelled games and job losses that will happen but the possibility of studios that sega purchased may be closed down or sold off. The report said the consumer division which means SEGA's entire games division from japan america and europe made less profit. HYENAS was costing a lot in development and licenses used in the game didn't help, ingame advertising in the game that was meant to happen also was a factor as that could have helped had that been secured. Anyway this isn't just about Hyenas its a regional corporate shake up. This is a case of SEGA overspending and exceeding profit that the games and other stuff under the consumer division made. SEGA buying Angry Birds basically killed HYENAS and other titles.

@nameTBA

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the insight. Do you think Sega made a mistake with the Rovio purchase?

@SPINCTDAILY

9 ай бұрын

I would have bought COH 3 if it didnt look like a cartoon and had good campaigns in it.

@dxc699

9 ай бұрын

@@nameTBA In hindsight yes. Because of what's happened and going to happen.

@rowanhill9854

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for this, I've always suspected that a lot of the bad decisions coming from CA are actually the result of SEGA pulling the strings. They have a particular way of doing business, remember what they did to Totalbiscuit? He never did get an apology either.

@ninetailedfox579121

9 ай бұрын

​@@rowanhill9854That's how it usually works with these sort of things.

Hi Legend, I have some insight into the situation at CA. Staff, or at least some staff, were only told TODAY (28th sept) about the cancellation of Hyenas. Your points about CA knowing in advance may not be completely accurate. This is obviously an incredibly crappy thing for the dev teams and brand personnel that were doing their jobs. Please update or let people know that many at the company had NO priory knowledge of this before it went public Thanks, love the content etc x

Saw Hyemas was cancelled, went on KZread for Legend's opinion and it's the first video in my recommended. Thanks algorithm

Legend I really appreciate your dump of knowledge on us. Thank you for being a community leader.

I hope we get more warhammer characters now just focus on what works

As much as volound is correct alot of the time when it comes to total war, i just wish he wasnt as abrasive nor a tankie tbh

You can't deny it though, the game had a pretty good logo

Videos on this being cancelled is th le first I've heard of it

Good points, but maybe don't recommend Volound.

🎉🎉🎉 Just hope that’s some of the devs get placed back on tww3 and it gets a decent custodian team

@maximusd26

9 ай бұрын

so from a dogshit game to another ? you ll never learn lmao

@jellenheimer1160

9 ай бұрын

nah they'd just get fired and scattered to the wind (standard industry practice)

@LinkLegend0

9 ай бұрын

They already got fired.

This adds a lot of info for understanding why the DLC price went up so much and why Pharaoh is not labeled as aSaga game. Only hope is that they move a lot of people into the teams working on the next historical game and maybe Total War 40K.

Persona 5 is their cash cow now