Regarding 19:14 - It is an often-uttered error that in the 2nd age only Allatar and Pallando were in Middle-earth. Gandalf also stayed in Middle-earth - twice before his known stay in Middle-earth in the 3rd age. This follows from two late notes by Tolkien (he kept revising the lore). His first sojourn was around the year 1050 of the 1st age, there he (as Olorin) accompanied the Vala Orome and led the newly awakened elves from Lake Cuivienen to Valinor. Then he was - according to a late note from Tolkien - again in Middle-earth (Tolkien did not give an exact time) and traveled through Eriador, Gondor and Rhovanion, where he learned a lot about the people there and other beings on the great river, but also taught wisdom (!) - so it's clear: with the quotes ("when in doubt, Elanor Brandyfoot - always follow your nose") it sure is Gandalf!

This show is so good. Can’t wait for S2.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I can’t wait either. Loved the first season!

You know your Tolkien and yet you enjoyed the show like me. You're a very mature person compared to those other toxic trolls on KZread. You got yourself a new subscriber.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Lol, life is too short for that. This show challenged my assumptions about how much I know, and I loved that.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

​@@TopnessReactions The show didn't challenge your assumptions; they literally got tons of stuff wrong, and you thought "Wow, they know more than me; I must be wrong, not them!" Have more faith in yourself, ffs, and in Tolkien's work. They are literally corrupting you and are playing the part of Morgoth I am honestly sad that you'd let them destroy Tolkien's work like this, if your knowledge of Tolkien is true as you say. It is like you are just siding with the orcs unironically This is all objective stuff; I could compile a huge 'list' of everything they got wrong on both a factual level and thematic level. It is beyond egregious. I consider this a massive betrayal of Tolkien, and I am sad anyone is defending this show. Toxic trolls? The show is beyond toxic; I don't care about trolls

@pedrorevolledo7679

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI lol

@torontomame

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI Oh, go pee in someone else's pool. Plenty of fans who are familiar with the lore are enjoying this adaptation.

@Martin-bf3by

Ай бұрын

​@@pyropulseIXXIturns out they got it all right. They instead told the story of how Sauron came up with the idea of Annatar and Annatar is announced for S2. Now they just need to reveal that Mithril was a lie from Sauron. Even Elrond in the show looked on the story.

You seem well versed in Tolkien's lore ! Enjoyed your reaction

You called Sauron since Ep. 5. I really like hearing all your insights on the Lore of LOTR. It helps me understand things so much better of the Rings of Power season 1. Thanks for these reactions!

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Lol, I loved this show show. At one point I probably suspected everyone was Sauron! I hope your username is a Dragonlance reference, cause that’d be awesome!

@captainKbobkeeshan

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions Well, true... in the beginning I think you were going with the fallen comet Istar as Sauron. But that's only because the show is REALLY good at their misdirections, plotting and pacing. The whole sigil thing is really brilliant IMO. You caught onto that really fast. I think when you edited episode 1! 👏 I think one of the best examples of the great ideas + plotting that the shows had is watching the show back and seeing things through Halbrand/Sauron eyes. What comes off as entirely one way when not knowing it was Sauron becomes something totally different. Again, you were already on top of that misdirection. 👏It was when Galadriel reveals Sauron killed her brother. And Halbrand says he's sorry. At first, it's a "sorry" that's said for hearing bad news of a friend. But, no, this is a "sorry" that he actually did kill or have to kill her brother. It's so great! LOL. You are so good, I would think you might be Fizban.😁 You must read a lot (or just read the books I've read). As, I'm not sure if those books are "popular" anymore. It would be incredible to see Tanis, Raist and company in a movie - done well. Like LOTR. Altho, I'm still mad at Kit, and will probably always be, at what she did to one of the company. I'm not sure I want to see that.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

@@captainKbobkeeshan They did make an animated movie of Dragons of Autumn Twilight, but it did look a bit like an 80’s G.I.Joe comic. Still, it was okay. I had an orange tabby named Tanis, and a black cat named Raistlin for a time.

I loved this episode and season as a whole, and really appreciate your reactions and analysis. It’s such a pleasure to come across another deep lore reader who has the openness to take this story as it’s told, and seek out the correspondences and subtleties tying it back to Tolkien’s deeper themes. IMO RoP is doing a better job of it than any adaptation to date.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I have to say that they are challenging my understanding of the lore, for sure. However, contrary to most perhaps, I think they are hitting way closer to the mark than we give them credit for. To say I might have the lore but I missed the meaning of it somewhat describes what I mean. I think if I challenged my understanding of it balanced against what they have presented, I might come to the conclusion that they have assembled the top experts. Loved it for this reason!

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions They haven't assembled any 'top experts,' and RoP destroys the lore multiple times in every episode. This should be obvious to anyone that has read the Silmarillion and LOTR. I'm not saying the show cannot be good, but if anyone is claiming it follows the lore or respects Tolkien, then that is objectively false. I don't think this matters, though, as the show should just be its own thing. They only have the rights to the LOTR appendices, so that alone is going to cause massive lore contradictions with the Silmarillion. For one, the 3 elven rings were forged last, Annatar was with the elves for centuries forging the lesser rings, as lesser arts into ring crafting Gandalf didn't Lucifer fall into middle Earth and showed up well after the rings were already made, since Cirdan gave Gandalf Nenya when he got off the boat. Ar-Pharazon was never his title or name, as he took the old style of Tar and went with Tar-Palantir. This alone is a massive insult to the lore, because the change has significant meaning This is but a super small sample of everything they mess up, and most of it insult Tolkien's work, as they clearly don't understand it

@SKRRTCOBAIN00

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI nobody asked u Help elderly ppl or smth stop writing paragraphs

I don't think the dweller is a maiar. There is precedence in the lore for non-maiar sorcerers. 1) The mouth of Sauron was a black numenorian and learned sorcery from Sauron. 2) The witch king of Angmar was a powerful human sorcerer before he was corrupted. 3) Some of the Nazgul were also described as human sorcerers. 4) Saruman suspected that the necromancer (Sauron) in Dol Dulgur was a human sorcerer 6) The blue wizards were corrupted in the east and were said to set up cults of sorcerers I think the most likely scenario here is that the three are human sorcerers that are part of some sort of cult that worshipped Morgoth.

Yeah, normally in the books, Galadriel's ring, Nenya, is the only one made out of Mithril. But I'm still convinced that Nenya on the show is still mostly Mithril based on the color of the alloy they used on it.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Hers did have the silver-ish look. Galadriel takes Nenya, but the other two are gifted by Gil-Galad to Elrond and Cirdan if I recall.

@akaha001

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions I wonder if in this series Narya will go to someone else since they haven't even introduced Círdan as a character. Also if The Stranger is Gandalf, they've clearly shifted the timelines and he won't be arriving to the Gray Havens where Cirdan would have given him the ring.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

@@akaha001 Cirdan the Shipwright confirmed for season 2!

@akaha001

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions Oh that's great news!

Technically, the Ainur are not the only ones capable of using magic, but the type of magic they have displayed, like shape shifting and such is not something humans are capable of. So they "cultists" are either maiar of some form serving Morgoths (and now his heir) or humans who have been imbued with his power by Morgoth (which would seem strange given that he had plenty of more powerful servants to choose from - but theoretically possible).

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

They appeared for a moment as wraiths, which do have the potential for magic obviously. However, the magic used in Tolkien has always been very subtle and more likened to an almost background occurrence. Shooting fire from one’s hands isn’t even something the dark lord does.

@Thedeepseanomad

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions It is true that magic in Tolkiens work often is more subtile in an instrumental way. But Gandalf conjured fire on more than one occasion in the books and projects radiant energy towards orcs, killing them. But of course, he keeps it to a minimum as he is forbidden to use his powers to dominate, only to aid others. Elves can also use magic, although most of it is related to them crafting objects. However, Finrod, for example, used songs of power against Sauron and Galadriel hardly used her physical might to "throw down the walls of Dul Goldur" and "Laying its pits bare".

Gotta say, even though it was blatantly obvious, and I hoped against it, I was surprisingly very satisfied with the Sauron reveal. The Stranger's rebirth among Hobbits alone makes me believe he's Olorin/Gandalf. It's not an accurate choice, sure, but I don't mind it, since we're hard compressing the timeline of everything. That said, it all might just be nods to the Istari we are most familar with, and he may get blue robes at some point. The Blue Wizards are almost entirely a blank canvas, so it will be interesting to see where they go with it. With that said, can he really be a Blue if they want him to eventually converge stories and join the main driving conflicts in the west? As they don't go west. I'll believe it's an earlier incarnation of Olorin, until he gives/is given a name, or chooses what colour his actual robes are to suggest otherwise. It also comes down to what Amazon has the rights to, they only have the Lord of the Rings and the Appendices, which is a very huge deal that not many consider. They can't talk about the First Age much, and that pisses a lot of people off who hate watch this, yet they can't without getting into a legal bind. I went into this show with zero expectations and really enjoyed it. It's not mind-blowing amazing top five show of the decade TV, but I'm thoroughly entertained and along for the ride, and looking forward to the future seasons. My biggest complaint is that it was only eight episodes.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

That is my biggest complaint as well that it was too quick. Wanted more episodes, but that just means I’ll be all the more hyped when season 2 comes around. I actually like that they didn’t reveal meteor man’s name yet, as that will only increase the hype before we get there. Also, been doing a little reading this morning and came across another intriguing name…Thuringwethil. Love this show, and I won’t be done conjecturing until season 5 wraps! Lol

@thegreatsagesun

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions Can't say I know of that character, the name does not ring a bell at all, but after a quick search, I'm intrigued. I'd be into it, she certainly fits the herald role so far. Sauron needs characters to support his scenes in the future, and the pale sorceress is an interesting tip of the iceberg for the evil side that connects him and Rhun. Her as our wizard's main antagonist (with Khamul joining later) could be great.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreatsagesun Something about them triggered a memory of Sauron having been referred to as Lord of the Cats somewhere, but I can’t remember where I saw that.

Finally someone with Lore knowledge who makes the best with what is presented to him and not straight up shit talks it 💯💯

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I loved the show immensely. Thanks for watching!

I like the dagger theory, that it was corrupted far ago by sauron. I like the way you talk, nice reaction, thanks! Also i like last episode more cuz we didn't see line of Arondir/Bronwyn, i don't know, really didn't enjoy this characters and how they were acted for some reasons, and ffs males owned the show in last episode :D

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

The most interesting thing about the south lands storyline to me is who Theo’s father might be. I did like Arondir/Bronwyn, but there is something missing from their story that I can’t put my finger on.

@ranconetv

Жыл бұрын

​@@TopnessReactions for me seems we missed something of their earlier relationship, like something were hidden from us (but yes, actually you said the same)

lots of people also missed that saouron's plan to make secret ring to control elf kind to get rid of them but in fact he didnt know that elf kind in danger they need to find a way to stay at middle erath to protect this land. so saouron helped to elf kind without know it. in my opinion that is also good adaptation for the story. and for the wizard i know gandalf came at the 3rd age but it would be great for me if the wizard is gandalf. cause it is also satisfaying strory why gandalf feels so intimacy to the hobbits. i am ok if they changed the lore in that way. and last great reaction. thanks for the video.

gandalf had been to middle earth before but not as "gandalf" I could see them going with that. and the lady for sure has to be a maiar, prolly became a follower of sauron like the saruman did.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Thuringwethil. Never mention her demise in the books, and her story would track. Just don’t know about them appearing as wraiths. It’ll be a long wait to get more info unfortunately.

As much as I don't like the idea that the stranger is Gandalf, he most likely is. Sometimes the simpliest explanation is correct, and this show hasn't been that 'clever' with misdirection. I didn't think that Halbrand was Sauron because it was one of this first theories and it seemed too obvious, and it's for this reason that I don't think the stranger is a red hearing they'll definately want to cash in on that character

I enjoyed your reaction! 🤗

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

I really like your commentary. Keep it up!

Fun fact that eye of sauron was originally celebrimbors

You're making alot of "very certain" claims based on your assumptions they will stick to known lore. Gandalf makes sense for their story. Its Rings of Power. The ring bearers will be important characters in their show. Galadrial, Elrond, Gandalf.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Most people probably lose certainty at a much younger age than I, but I’m sticking with it. Lol. I didn’t really expound on it, but I did acknowledge that I think that may be the case. A lord of the rings without Gandalf seems ludicrous. If there is even one remote hint or suggestion somewhere in the material about Olorin’s travels, they are duty-bound to include him. I would just say I’d prefer they broaden the universe a bit.

@darymarkova

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions While I think it would’ve been great if he was one of the blue wizards, I still enjoy the idea of him being Gandalf. The earlier notes of Tolkien spoke of Gandalf visiting Middle Earth in the Second Age, so they might have gotten that idea from there. Plus, he’s just so synonymous with LOTR that a show without him just doesn’t feel right.

I dont think she was Miar.......she was sporting a weird crown....could have just been a very powerful wizard from old...

Can I share your video as a reaction video on my channel?

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I am not sure how that works, honestly. Like a link to my channel?

they aint only giving random Gandalf lines, that line was spoken to Merry who is probably a descendant of Nori having the last name Brandybuck

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I hadn’t connected that, but it seems obvious after your comment. I liked the Harfoots a lot in this series.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

Merry is not a descendant of Nori, as Nori has nothing to do with Tolkien's work.... I am honestly insulted you'd even suggest this

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI Harfoots in canon are the most prevalent of the hobbit ancestors, alongside the stoors and fallohides. All three races eventually settle in the shire, mixing together and eventually becoming hobbits.

@segments2156

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI your life must be pathetic for you to feel insulted by a tv show or fan suggestions... i pity you greatly

16:10 nah its the other way around

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

An opportunity to watch the extended LOTR again!

Love your reaction mate but you gotta stop trying to compare the show to canon to work things out as they have strayyyyed way off due to rights issues. Love you insight into the lore but thtas out the window in this show lol just loving it for what it is

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I am likely pretty far off the mark on some things. I suppose I like the show in some ways because of that, that it provokes thought about the past books I’ve read. In some ways they have skewed the lore, but the more I ponder the closer and deeper into it I think they went.

How will Sauron continue to make rings without stirring up shit with the Elves? Will he be a new actor next season?

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

Celebrimbor makes all of the rings after some tutelage from Sauron/Annatar (I think we saw the extent of the tutoring in this episode). After he makes them, he locks them away. Sauron will make the one ring, and that is the only one he makes. He will steal the ones made by Celebrimbor, and then distribute them to the other peoples of Middle-Earth.

@ct6852

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions Oh, interesting. Thank you for the info. Curious how he'll continue to have scenes with Galadriel...because the finale def felt like the start of a toxic relationship.

@segments2156

Жыл бұрын

@@TopnessReactions or Halbrand will just work again with Celebrimbor, after all, Galadriel did not tell him why he should not be treated with, Celebrimbor may just ignore her recommandation...

I was hoping they'd go with the ring aesthetics of the movies. Just to tie it better plus the movies' rings looked so beautiful.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

They did look better in the PJ movies, and these seemed a little chunky to me. Just not what I’d expect from the greatest smith since Feanor.

@plexx365

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, the new rings are more beautiful and grand.

Just found your channel and subscribed. I have reviewed all the episode on my channel and I was a little underwhelmed by the finale. I'll be interested to see if they stay true to the lore when handing out the rings.

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

It seems like it will be a pretty epic moment. Celebrimbor will craft them all, then lock them away. Sauron brings an army to Eregion to take them and ultimately distributes them around. Can’t wait!

@TopnessReactions

Жыл бұрын

I’ll definitely check out your reaction to this as well. Love to hear opinions about this show!

Good sir bravo review, alas Tolkien has not been treated under this period of stewardship, for Mor"mazon" has equavalently sacked the literary Osgiliath equivalent of Professor Tolkien's lore and story with season one, it is a descration of "history of the elvish speaking tongues..Shall we now sit around the fire and muse sadly on Rings of Power? Our position, "Exsurge Tolkien" (published 25 March 22, and available for review on our channel), remains the most comprehensive analysis (and foreshadowed) of the Anti-Tolkien agenda of the ROP enterprise as declared by the showrunner's own words. We now see what the corporate machine theyocracy has wrought on Professor Tolkien's legacy: heresy, catastrophe, and disaster. Even the most ardent ROP supporters have weighed the show on the scales and found it wanting, "Auta i lóme" and "Aurë entuluva."

@torontomame

Жыл бұрын

You are spouting nonsense.

I am not as huge of a fan of lotr movies and its universe as I am of star wars, so I thought I could easily enjoy this show since there was less of a chance for me to be taken aback by some of the narrative and storytale changes that were made. (In my opinion the way Tolkin wrote was at some points extremely capturing and quite boring, which is exactly how the movies were, very epic and a little stale at many different parts). But after completing the show I thought that this was at its bottom an alternate universe and storytelling of lotr. It feels like the exact opposite of the force awakens which completely tried to copy the story of A new hope. Instead, this show I think tries too hard to not fit in the story and the narrative of the original movies and that makes it not as enjoyable as it could be. Also some of the acting for its budget is subpar in my opinion and it makes it more clear that some characters were made and some actors were cast either too quickly or for divesrity purposes which ruins the immersion that the show offers at some points. Whoever this could also be due to bad editing and writing so I am not that sure that the actors are the only ones to blame. I have no problem with what ethnicity or gender the actor is, as long as they embody the character they are playing and know how to deliver a scene without making it about them. Some great examples of that from star wars was mace windu, leia, finn, live action ahsoka and fennec shand. In conclusion, this show feels rushed and mid quality in writing like Kenobi and with lack of vision from it's creators. However the story is still intersting and saveable. P.S. Please someone recast Galadriel to a better actress, I don't even care anymore if she is of a completely different gender or ethnicity, just someone who can convey some emotions and please change her script to not end up like the Almighty Rey Skywalker. Also subtract some of the villainous traits that she has and make her more mature and likeable like the original movies, because the mental aging of elves isn't like the yoda's species, so she should have grown to a mature adult like 4950 years earlier. #RECAST_ORLANDO_BLOOM_AS_GALADRIEL_AT_THIS_POINT_SMH

@NovRen19

Жыл бұрын

Good Sir you make very robust points, some of which we agree, and we invite you most humbly to pit your thoughts on our counter ROP series, (now concluded) Exsurge Tolkien, on our channel. We also have an original series if you are looking for something new, via book and audiobook.

Good to see some people like this show the haters are insane right now

@TopnessReactions

10 ай бұрын

It’s an epic show in my opinion