Well, turns out Halbrand is... Sauron. Keep in mind this video was made after episode 4, so thank you to everyone in the comments who added clues from the subsequent episodes. To those who doubted this video in the comments or said it wouldn't age well - I am currently accepting oaths of fealty.

@fredthered1074

Жыл бұрын

Well done Sir, brilliant prediction.

@leuchtfeuer5498

Жыл бұрын

I didnt believe it at first but it turned out to be true. Well predicted. To be fair though, my father guessed it too, by simply making one theory after another until one was right

@Killjoy45

Жыл бұрын

The idea that the writers were playing a trick on us making us think Halbrand is a Sauron while in fact he isn't was actually something I briefly thought about aswell. However, when you see how the rest of the show and characters turned out, it was very clear they simply wouldn't have that kind of cleverness all of sudden.

@Concepcion30

Жыл бұрын

Well, I'm very glad I didn't watch any potential spoiler videos as I just binged the entire 8 episodes in two days and I really had no idea. But to tell you the truth my Lord of the Rings lore is very rusty, haven't watched the original movies in probably over a decade.

@Harold7308

Жыл бұрын

I like how you call the writers not intelligent enough but then swear fealty to them by watching the entire show and making videos on plot theories

Guys, what if Sauron was the friends we made along the journey?

@victordego7776

Жыл бұрын

KAIZOKU ONI ORE WA NARU

@Janecek185

Жыл бұрын

Sauron did nothing wrong, time to kill Galadriel, real evil of this world.

@marcoslightspeed5517

Жыл бұрын

@eula eula!!!!

@Elgsdyr

Жыл бұрын

Just believe in yourself and he can be whatever you want him to be!

@almightysaitama770

Жыл бұрын

Sauron might be someone they created maybe it was an Orc named Sauron and he was stronger than others and so the myth and legend started about him ?

The Harfoot lady who keeps pushing for Nori's family to be abandoned is actually Sauron. Trust me. 😂

@Nopeasaurus

Жыл бұрын

An excellent plot twist. No one could have predicted it.

@yohanmenny5593

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@jevilz9858

Жыл бұрын

Hihihi

@juancabardo21

Жыл бұрын

Omg! Excellent plot twist

@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg

Жыл бұрын

Tell this to *Nerd of the Rings* , he is becoming a self-styled guru and god of the Tolkien lore (read: he is a idiot bent on getting more bucks from his shitty, ads-ridden vids).

They will wheel out Bran in the final episode revealed as Sauron. ‘Why do you think I made all these rings?’

@juliemarie612

Жыл бұрын

Lmaoooooo "the lord of stories" 😩

@michelveilleux2075

Жыл бұрын

Jesus christ, just kill me now.

@adamsinger123

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 WIN.

@amandakrause9394

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@thomasalvarez6456

Жыл бұрын

And who has a better story, than- oh wait it’s LOTR everyone has a better story.

Hallbrand is snoke

@matheusburin

Жыл бұрын

Now that's one good plot twist

@lexdeobesean

Жыл бұрын

😂

@user-pm7pw1tl3t

Жыл бұрын

the theories about this show are just as bad and dumb as snoke theories so who knows

@Theplaymaker1271

Жыл бұрын

If this was true then I'd definitely consider watching this show

@sethg.8688

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

If Galadriel was really Sauron then that would be a hilarious plot twist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@joshdaley4777

Жыл бұрын

fr

@SevenThunderful

Жыл бұрын

And in keeping Guyladriels character.

@JEREMCEE

Жыл бұрын

@@SevenThunderful seriously !! Haha

@dariusblock9316

Жыл бұрын

That would explain so much...🤔

@dysfunctionalthor4719

Жыл бұрын

It would explain her genocidal behaviors

When Frodo said "Get out of my swamp!" I lost my shit

My favourite Halbrand trick is where he is negotiating with Miriel about her wish to keep them on the island. He says (and it's amazing he gets away with it), 'Please allow us to stay here for three days, to consider our request.' And Miriel agrees. This is a fantastic switcheroo... She's gone from saying, 'You can never leave', to saying, 'You can stay here for three days', and thinks she has driven some sort of bargain. Hilarious.

@pablito4762

Жыл бұрын

Sauron is a master of reverse psychology

I see what you mean... Adar, the Uruk Lord-father, claims that he killed Sauron. However, Halbrand claims he did something terrible to him, but Adar doesn't recognize him.

@jacobmccomas9283

Жыл бұрын

Sauron is a shape shifter, he's just not in the same form that Adar saw

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

I'm trying to figure out who Adar was. Ie. His original identity. He's obviously not Sauron, but must have been an important elf leader at some point before being corrupted.

@aarcas

Жыл бұрын

ooh that's a good point

@joseepp1712

Жыл бұрын

@@mish375 feanor maybe?

@jeremyearley9162

Жыл бұрын

@@mish375 I believe ep 7 told us, idk if you saw it when yku made the comment. Galadriel starts questioning Adar and he says he used to follow Morgoth, and so he was one of the first corrupted elves that eventually became Orcs. Which is why they call him Lord-Father and he calls them his "children"

Halbrand : (standing up) The guy next to Halbrand : (stands up faster) "I am Sauron" Another guy : (stands up) "I am Sauron !" "I am Sauron !" "I am Sauron !" "I am Sauron !" (everyone stands up) "I am Sauron !!!" Sauron : (tears of joice, pride while feeling doomed)

@pyktukasplays4945

Жыл бұрын

Spartacus reference?

@Nopeasaurus

Жыл бұрын

"Okay, we'll kill you all then."

@AlecEburhard

Жыл бұрын

@@pyktukasplays4945 yes

@Elgsdyr

Жыл бұрын

"I am Sauron, and so is my wife!"

@What-he5pr

Жыл бұрын

His name was Sauron Paulsen.

Another hint was when Adar told Galadriel that he killed Sauron. And then Halbrand asked Adar if he recognizes him. Today was last episode and turns out he was Sauron.

The dude just wanted to quit all the evil shit in the past, get a decent job and drink some beers . But with Galadriel's tempest motivation monologues he got reactivated into Sauron mode. Thank You Galadriel lol .

@Emma.Lou1

Жыл бұрын

Idk man I'm 90% sure that was a manipulation tactic. Like... he's Sauron.

@sonofthebearking3335

Жыл бұрын

@@Emma.Lou1 while I really don't like the show as a whole, it does seem like somebody on the writing team was aware that, for a short time in the Second Age after Morgoth's fall, Sauron did repent after a fashion- but was too afraid to face judgement in Valinor, and eventually returned to evil. Actually showing some of this is the only nod I'm willing to give the show so far. At least Sauron was interesting, decently written, and MOST IMPORTANTLY well acted. Bravo actor dude, don't know his name, but was handed a crap shute gig and still rocked it. 🤙

@seriouslyrelax

Жыл бұрын

Turns out the high king Gil-Galad was right about her.

The old English etymology of Halbrand Hal- living, Eternal Brand- Fire

Halbrand is the best thing about "The Rings of Power". It is not a compliment.

@Furrnox

Ай бұрын

I can't believe how horribly unlikeable they made Galadriel.

Well, this aged well.

Me reading the comments after Halbrand is revealed as Sauron in the season finale

One of the things he said that I didn't catch the first time was on episode 3 when he said to Galadriel "let me keep my peace, for both our sakes". I didn't understand why he said for "both our sakes" but if he's indeed Sauron it makes sense.

@kyuzumaki9040

Жыл бұрын

I think he meant “our sakes” as in himself and galadriel..but you may be right too

@koammudo43

Жыл бұрын

@@kyuzumaki9040 what else do you think he meant That's obviously what the guy on top meant too lol if he doesn't keep his peace he's going to turn into sauron and k i l l galadriel and start his journey of mayhem or whatever(try to kill galadriel) .

@sonofthebearking3335

Жыл бұрын

"Let me keep my peace, for both our sakes." Was too much of a mood; Just knew when I heard it.

Give this man a ring.

@thespyingeyeofmordor

Жыл бұрын

Ash Nazg!

Gotta say, this character is interesting. I wish there was a TV show just about Sauron and friends.

In episode 5, there were so many hints that Halbrand was Sauron. But one notable one was in the recap , when Rowen said "one day our king will return." Then they showed Halbrand. Rowen in that episode 5 wanted to pledge his allegiance to Sauron.

@N3ur0m4nc3r

Жыл бұрын

Juxtaposition, there are more of them in the show than just the recap.

@MrVictor1227

Жыл бұрын

Episode 6 now there is more proof

@giandeguzman6402

Жыл бұрын

How does he “become” Sauron? Or has he always been Sauron in sheeps clothing

@kdreamscosmos4279

Жыл бұрын

@@giandeguzman6402 sauron is a shapeshifter

@Boogeyyyman

Жыл бұрын

@@giandeguzman6402, Sauron had the ability to appear as a beautiful human or elf. He could appear as what he wanted to be in the past.

"What kind of fool do you take me for? You're Sauron (Halbrand), he's Sauron (Meteor Man), he's Sauron (Adar). I'm Sauron! Is there any other Sauron I should know about?" White clothes twink appears

@joy_kan

Жыл бұрын

the real white clothes twink stands up

@williambeach6833

Жыл бұрын

Galadriel is Sauron

@minkyfran8307

Жыл бұрын

Jeff Bezos is Sauron

@scottlyons8130

Жыл бұрын

Trump is Sauron, just another to add. To many to be told could be Sauron, and that makes me sad !

@mr.wilson9941

Жыл бұрын

Meow

Today's episode: Galadriel i'm actually sauron lets smash

“Nobody gets left behind! Nobody gets left behind!“ Except for when they do… By us…

@Luna_Boy

Жыл бұрын

It’s a jam

Not to mention he straight up tells Galadriel; "I'm sorry for what happened to your brother." In this continuity, Sauron killed her brother, meaning this line more or less cements him as Sauron. Of course, Sauron apologizing to Galadriel is really weird, unless he does it to get in her good graces, but he still seems like the kind of guy that would never apologize, and instead say "what happened to your brother was tragic, but...."

@joshuawhiting239

Жыл бұрын

In Tolkien's continuity Sauron is the one who killed Finrod, Galadriel's brother in the story of Beren and Luthien.

@hugofernandes2930

Жыл бұрын

Im not a big fan of halbrand is Sauron theory but Sauron is also looking for repent in the beginning of 2nd age which seems halbrand is running away from his past

@Wendy420T

Жыл бұрын

Showing remorse and sympathy is actually evidence that he's NOT Sauron.

@marisbury

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuawhiting239 No, that was Sauron's werewolf, not him in person. Sauron defeated him and imprisoned, then Finrod sacrificed himself to let Beren escape.

@DrystHawk

Жыл бұрын

Halbrand is most definitely not Sauron he’s too carefree and witty. Yes he’s quite skilled in combat and is definitely hiding his true skills so he is secretive but there’s already an attachment going on with halbrand and Galadriel. Like a companionship is forming between them. Sauron will show himself soon though he’s is hiding in plain sight but again halbrand is not Sauron.

In the episode 5, when Galadriel is speaking with Halbrand, there is a moment when, immediately after she says the line "…the evil I was fighting" the camera focus on Halbrand. Actually, there's many things on that scene with Galadriel and Halbrand that give hints about that.

@darthvader9939

Жыл бұрын

I think they doing the Shadow of War thing and Adar was a lietunent of Sauron that rebelled against him. Thats why Adar became sa ragefull when he hears his name

@letzsnuggzz

Жыл бұрын

She also said to him "many may assume you were using me". And later while she was giving him a pep talk, she said "sometimes you have to touch the darkness to find light".

@vvebsta6237

Жыл бұрын

Halbrand literally confirmed in the 5th episode that he recognized Finrod's dagger (it was obvious in episode 2 when he noticed it underwater and was surprised) and now he said sorry because he obviously killed Galadriel's brother

@justhair17

Жыл бұрын

@@darthvader9939 yeah, ep 6 kinda confirmed that

@tododia7701

Жыл бұрын

@@justhair17 what do you think of episode 6 when Adar said he pulled Sauron apart? And asked “who are you”? And kept trying to guess what he did that would make Halbrand hate him so much.. I wonder!

His first line on screen is ‘appearances can be deceiving’

I think Halbrand is Amazon's Sauron, but I think Tolkien's Sauron would be much more of a control freak and obsessive over how his clothes and hair looked. Also he disguised himself as an elf.

@Abraham99999

Жыл бұрын

He can't be Sauron. Sauron must be a high elf who created the rings. Simple person can't do it and can't be so powerful as Sauron

@pyktukasplays4945

Жыл бұрын

@@Abraham99999 as far as we know, Sauron wasn't an elf. He was closer to a demon. But he ha dthe form of an elf, if he wanted it. We know that he was a large humanoid. In the books he was described as taller than Númenóreans. One of whom was 7"11 feet tall, or in nkre accurate measurements, about 241 cm in height.

@juliemarie612

Жыл бұрын

@@Abraham99999 he's also a shape-shifter. So if he felt like it, he could be an elf, a man, a werewolf, vampire etc.

@Abraham99999

Жыл бұрын

Ohh i didn't know about that. Thanks 👍

@justhair17

Жыл бұрын

@@Abraham99999 Sauron is not an elf tho. He is a Maia (immortal spirits, like the Istari or Balrogs), who is capable of shapeshifting and disguised himself as an elf to craft the rings

This aged well

Hallbrand also said that he had done many bad things, that he took the sigil from a dead man, that he was looking for peace longer than Galadriel could imagine, and so on… It was pretty obvious who he was from the beginning.

Well you were absolutely right 😂😂😂

You're good. You picked up a lot more clues than I did. I wasn't shocked, especially with the heavy clues in the final episode, but I hadn't realized it as early as you did!

The fact that the literal first thing Halbrand says in the show is "looks can be deceiving" confirmed it for me (plus the fact that he's held prisoner in Numenor in the lore and later causes its fall).

He also forges the sword which cuts Galadriel’s shirt and gets that one kid promoted.

It's also interesting that, as soon as we meet him, he basically throws his other boatmates to the wyrm in order to save himself. Galadriel mentions that he seems awfully cold and calculating to do something like that. Though, I will also note, that he does save Galadriel in that same sequence, jumping overboard and diving deep in order to rescue her from a certain death. Hard to imagine that, so shortly after meeting her, that Sauron would have foreseen a use for the woman who was certainly his most dangerous and devoted enemy. So, overall, it's a mixed bag. Is he not who he appears? Probably. Is he Sauron himself? It's not a certainty yet.

@xyrk12

Жыл бұрын

This Sounds good but make No Sense to the Story, Halbrand is a char where isnt in the books. Sauron choose an elvish Body to hide himself, yes he is friendly and respectfull to everyone Like Halbrand. hmm we will See i think that Halbrand let us know that he is Sauron

@mattsrealitycheck6669

Жыл бұрын

That's because the writing is terrible and the show sucks arse.

@xyrk12

Жыл бұрын

@@mattsrealitycheck6669 your opinion and no they have No rights to use the 3 movies or the books only sidetexts from lotr 1-3 books they cant usw silma or Others Things with that i will See you Made it better

@leroylol

Жыл бұрын

"Hard to imagine that, so shortly after meeting her, that Sauron would have foreseen a use for the woman who was certainly his most dangerous and devoted enemy. So, overall, it's a mixed bag. Is he not who he appears? Probably. Is he Sauron himself? It's not a certainty yet." i think he sees her as someone who can get him what he needs, she is a VERY powerful ally to have. Halbrand going overboard to save her after just sacrificing the others proves this.

@af7959

Жыл бұрын

Well if you view it as a classicist society a bunch of peasant sailors are likely worth less than a magical elf who has probably spent 100s of years making deals just like you.

"looks can be deceiving" Me: yeah Sauron, right there

In Sauron's mind, he is only trying to bring order, not really evil like Morgoth. As they showed with Adar being almost sympathetic, I think they are trying to show that good and evil are shades of grey

@Tangerator

Жыл бұрын

this is what i think theyre going for with sauron

@reneepatenaude5002

Жыл бұрын

I believe this could of been possible, but not anymore. The series is off, Galadriel never had these adventures in any Tolkien book. Sauron came back as an elf during this timeline,corrupted Numenor, dies during the wave that destroys that island. Comes back (? human) befriending the elf's, corrupts the 3 rings made, is found out and flees.

So Galadriel provoked Sauron's return with his own hands? Good job Galadriel! If it turns out that Helbrand is not Sauron we are in front of a badwriting's masterpiece

@gaggugill3312

Жыл бұрын

He is sauron

It is him, when he talks about bad things he did and because of it he cannot return, what he did was revealed by Oren leader of the orcs how he sacrificed his children for Sauron to find the dark knowledge or key to it but it was not enough, so he got bored or felt guilty of fruitless sacrifice of his loyal fallowers and their children yet not achieved his goal now the object was found and activation happened he can start his work of creating the ring after all he is blacksmith. How would galadriel react when she finds out her fanaticism of defeating her enemy has unknowingly rekindled the fire in Sauron to fight again 😂😂😂😂😂

You nailed it!

This aged like a fine wine.

As someone who never read the books and only watched the movies once I was actually surprised. I mean I knew there was something not quite right but it still surprised me.

After episode 8 : yes you right! So smart brother

He was there in the fortress she went to in episode 1. He followed her to Valinor and thats when he ‘saved’ her knowing she would jump off.

This man was totally right

Knowing Amazon they'll prolly make him the " tall , blonde , evil white guy

@Talvekuningas

Жыл бұрын

would you prefer someone short and dark haired and non- white instead ? that doesn't sound menacing !

@blitzkrieg2928

Жыл бұрын

@@Talvekuningas well considering everyone laughed at the eminem looking guy from the trailers I'd say no ( and the fact Sauron couldn't blend in as well if he would stand out as much ... )

Just saw the final episode and it’s confirmed Halbrand is Sauron.

Sauron may be evil but he's not a liar.

So he’s Sauron after all.

turns out we were all right

Not to mention this guy let the other castaways die in the sea

@garrusv

Жыл бұрын

And somehow survived.

@germanrodriguez1842

Жыл бұрын

i think the other castaways and the dragon were also made by sauron to get galadriel's good graces and a ticket into númenor

@rams3955

Жыл бұрын

@@garrusv we literally see him untie his portion of the raft lol

Damn, even having read the books and picked up on the differences I was had until the final episode. Slowly piecing together who was who but not nearly this early. Bravo!

In the recent episode Halbrand asks Agar "do you remember me?" Agar apparently stabbed Sauron in the back in the past

After I finished the first season. I went back and watch it all over again. Dang! He try to tell that he was Sauron many many time. 😱

That sentence in jail makes sense for someone who makes the ring wraiths. I could not understand how sauron got the elves to make the rings. I always wondered how his powers of seduction worked on the Elves. It would be a great arc for Gadriel, just maybe this interaction sets her free from her brothers death. I think this would actually be a excellent twist.

@marisbury

Жыл бұрын

He promised Celebrimbor to reinstate Valinor in Middle Earth basically, make an eternal undying forest.

@mattyhew5121

Жыл бұрын

I thought that the elves made their rings AFTER Sauron left for Morder, so Celebrimbor was able to remove his influence from them (although this might just be twaddle idk)

@malfy8369

Жыл бұрын

@@mattyhew5121 There's a lot of ring making going on sauron made 9 rings with celebrimbor gave them out to elves, dwarfs, men then he went to mordur to make the one ring, as soon as the elves felt the power of the one they took off the rings and made the 3 that Gandalf, Gladriel and Elron wear. That's my interpretation of it (from KZread ers).

@mattyhew5121

Жыл бұрын

@@malfy8369 Yh, it seems to be both our opinions. Sauron had a direct hand in making the nine and seven while Celebrimbor made the three alone, negating any negative effects from Sauron (without the one ring). But (as you said) once the elves sensed the creation of the one ring, they took their rings off until Sauron had lost the one ring, where they were free to use them (still wearing the rings while the one ring was being worn could damage their minds and give the bearer looks into the three bearers minds). Unknowing to Sauron, he intended all 16 to be given to the remaining elves of middle-earth and was furious when he learned of the creation of three for the elves (Celebrimbor intended to make more I think but was attacked in Eregion before he could). Sauron took 15 of the 16 (one had been given to the dwarves in Khazad-Dum already by the elves) and gave them to men and dwarves while the elves hid the three. Also, Celebrimbor was able to give each elven ring specific powers because he made them independently of Sauron (water, fire and air).

@mattyhew5121

Жыл бұрын

@@marisbury The elves were also not entirely incorruptible (the orcs were once elves) so Sauron's shapeshifting into Annatar and his deception worked on some (like Celebrimbor) but not others. Although, Sauron remained undiscovered as Annatar until the one ring was made and the elves realised the deception

Sadoc is Sauron. Lenny Henry deserves a part he can really run with, and, hey, going from hobbit nerd to master of Mordor would be just ridiculously fun to watch.

Actually in this Galadriel is a control freak and really kind of mean and a bit vain, maybe Sauron replaced her and is seeking power, then the real Galadriel will arrive and be the awesome warrior elf with a touch of grace...one can only hope... :D

Sauron and Numenor have an interesting theory. That's all I'm saying. Go and read up on Sauron's history as a shapeshifter. He took on many "fair" or "good" forms after the fall of Morgoth, then became the Sauron we know once Numenor fell.

Good job!

I think the biggest hint was when he pulled out his morpher and yelled it's saur'n time.

Damn bro you were right 😂🔥🔥

Saurons crafting ability comes from the fact he can infuse his will, heart and soul into his work. Only other person to have that gift in abundance was Feanor. When the Valar asked for his Silmarils he said he couldn't part with them because "it would break his heart". Literally, Feanor would have died if he parted with them potentially. No matter how good a person is, imprinting your very signature into your work is something which is part of you or it's not.

Just ask the sea. It’s always right apparently.

The golden text around his shirt reminds me of the words written along the band of a certain ring...

Good theory, and very possible, he did suddenly become "King of the Southlands" in the last episode. I think the Stragner is also possibly Saruman. However ROP takes place in the middle of the second age and the books canon indicates Saruman, and later Gandalf, came around 1,000 year mark of the third age. The blue wizards were sent to Middle Earth during the second age. So I have a feeling that the Stranger is one of the three blue wizards, or the shows writers want to write Saruman in somehow and maybe go that route. I also think the three white clothed beings following him are necessarily bad, even though they burned the Harfoots wagons (keep in mind the Harfoots came after them with fire and threatened them first).

@theaveragegatsby4125

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@benhamilton1156

Жыл бұрын

Stranger is definitely Gandalf, made the FOLLOW YOUR NOSE quote by end of finale.

@someone3574

Жыл бұрын

The old strange man is Gandalf. The way he wispered to those light-bugs, and the fact that Gandalf loves the Hobbits...here you have why. Ancestrals of the Hobbits were the first ones that he met on Middle Earth, and helped him.

I feel so vindicated because none of my friends believed me when I said he was Sauron!

As someone who's not intimately familiar with all the lore - I hadn't picked up on any of this. Hadn't even considered it a red herring because I'm not looking for Sauron in the series!

Damn, I thought I was watching Game of Thrones for a second. They really skullfucked Tolkien's legacy, didn't they.

Dangit! I was on my way to figuring this out on my own after just refreshing myself on the lore of Sauron. Wanted to find the lectures on Tolkien by a professor I heard decades ago. I was reading how Sauron can shapeshift into and appear as anyone to the different races and men. I guess we won't get his "Annatar" disguise which was what I was thinking they were going to go with. Very cool. But, this does raise some questions about how he ended up on that ship. Was it just a fluke it sank and he and Galadriel met. Is he just taking the opportunity as it comes.

@janskopovy940

Жыл бұрын

After Morgoth's banishment, Sauron was brought before the Valar and was forgiven, if I remember correctly. For a time, he was or pretended to be changed, but then he ran away from Valinor to conquer Middle-Earth. Maybe she jumped him at the door.

I honestly think the writers thought that we’d never see Halbrand coming. They haven’t exactly been humble throughout the making of this show.

After the scene where Adar asks Halbrand "who are you?" and Halbrand pauses on his way out the door, doesn't look at him, and the music gets all creepy.... yeah I'm pretty convinced H is Sauron at this point.

This aged like fine wine

Well… That’s Sauron

The intent is to provide us with a sense of pride and accomplishment for finding Sauron.

Great explanation for those slower minds, specially those that never read the books and expect to understand everything from episode 1.

I think Sauron is that big scary guy in pointy armor from the first scene actually

considering how they deviate from the original source material i won't be surprised if halbrand is indeed a red herring and sauron will be some random new char introduced out of nowhere...

Ironically, this is spot on.

I think that sauron is disguised as the producer of this show. Hes figured out how to finally destroy middle earth.....

Just watched this video on Oct 15th, KZread has flagged this as inappropriate and verified if I want to continue watching it or not 🤔

@digamojones373

Жыл бұрын

Pretty unbelievable, isn't it?

this aged very well

Not to mention episode 6 where Adar says he killed Sauron, only for Helbrand to be mad about him because "reasons". Adar does not recognize him, but assumes, like the viewers, some generic thing like someone close to him killed. Probably mad at him because what he supposedly did to Sauron

You nailed it...

snoke is sauron

How does it feel to be completely vindicated? You were right, they weren't intelligent enough to hide this well at all. Nor the Totally-Not-Gandalf Stranger lol

Bro you cracked it man 😭❤️

Bravo, man!

Nah I still think Galadriel is Sauron in Amazon's version

And he is Sauron lol.

This video aged well....

@joshuarivas442

Жыл бұрын

Like fine wine

@thespyingeyeofmordor

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuarivas442 Dorwinion's a bit far away.

Halbrand is actually an anagram of Tom Marvolo Riddle.

Sexy Sauron gonna be sexy.

You were 💯% correct!!

i didnt even guess that halbrand was sauron, it never came to my mind. so in the finalr when its revealed i lost my mind

Bravo sir, you called it

It's him, after last episode.. he interacting with Adar.. asking if he remembered him and stuff like that, when Adar was the one that taught he "killed" Sauron, but he didn't because Sauron can't be killed with physical weapons ☝️

@NotTellingYou-

Жыл бұрын

But why would he ask Adar if he remembered him(Halbrand)? How can someone remember someone that doesn’t look like themselves?

@OldTiredPhil

Жыл бұрын

@@NotTellingYou- there's always the inner essence, and Adar was the first to ask "do I know you?" Like he felt that he'd known him

@NotTellingYou-

Жыл бұрын

@@OldTiredPhil he’s answering a question with question. Where someone asks if you remember them but you don’t think you do, so you ask “do I know you?” expecting that person to tell you how you would know them…

@OldTiredPhil

Жыл бұрын

@@NotTellingYou- but Halbrand didn't answer right away, when Adar asked him, he didn't said anything, just got away. Later on he told Adar if he remembered him

@OldTiredPhil

Жыл бұрын

Just go check the last photo that the tv show posted on IG. You have every main character, Halbrand is there, but not in human form 😏

Your argument is compelling; however, it seems that as of episode 5, Celebrimbor is already creating a forge and it does not seem that Celebrimbor and Halbrand have had any contact. Although I don't know what happened before the shipwreck scene where Halbrand is introduced.

@buchbummelant8980

Жыл бұрын

I think they are setting up that Galadriel returns with Halbrand (Sauron) to the Elves after they defeated Adar and there he helps them forge the rings and then there is some kind of betrayal or they find out he's Sauron and he flees to Mount Doom (which was activated by Adar) and he forges the ring there to get the upper hand again, by that making Galadriel the one to bring about the new fight with Sauron ...

@rams3955

Жыл бұрын

@@buchbummelant8980 Idk I'm pretty much in the camp that the sauron stuff is a red herring and he'll end up becoming a servant of sauron I.E the witch king and Galadriel will blame herself because how she got lost in trying to get vengeance and acting brash and will begin her character arc to what we know her as by the time we see her In lotr. I mean I know alot of ppl shit on the writing but what they want to do with her character arc is pretty clear and having halbrand be sauron wouldn't really accomplish anything. Like the writers make enough allusions and references to super obscure Tolkien shit that makes me think they are well versed enough in the lore that they know what they're doing with halbrand. Again while entirely possible I'm still leaning towards they didn't really foresee the backlash coming and thought book readers would embrace the show and their thinking most likely was we need to make a twist for book readers so we'll make it seem like he's sauron making references only the readers will pick up on.

He is Sauron!!

"However, I don't think the writers are intelligent enough to pull that off" LMFAO SUBBED

Adar definitely feels more like a red hearing honestly it just depends on how intelligent the writers were allowed to make the plot

@Alex-nk8bw

Жыл бұрын

Did you just put "intelligent" and "the writers" in one sentence? That's pretty bold. 😂

@protect3rgoku119

Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-nk8bw I mean they spent a billion dollars, common sense would suggest that they’ve got good writers but it’s more about what the producers are willing to allow. Often writers aren’t allowed to make stuff high brow because most people are just stupid. And as for Halbrand supposedly being a poorly written red hearing; that isn’t the case for people who didn’t read the Silmarillion which I hate to say there are not enough fans that read that book to rely solely on them to make enough profit for another season with a similarly sized budget. And at the end of the day that’s is the only reason the show was made: to make profit.

@Wendy420T

Жыл бұрын

Adar will be the lesser bad guy for season one. We probably won't get a glimpse of Sauron until episode 8.

@Alex-nk8bw

Жыл бұрын

@@protect3rgoku119 yep, that's Amazon for you. 🤷‍♂ But I can't wrap my head around the fact they chose two guys as showrunners whose only "credit" so far was "Star Trek Beyond (writer - uncredited)", according to IMDb. That's probably a big reason why the whole show is so poorly written, off-pace, copy/pasting scenes and settings from the LotR movies. The causal audience, the millions Amazon needs for the show to be profitable, would've watched either way, because they don't really care, and don't really understand what's going on anyway. But with decent writing, Amazon would've won over the real fans, prevented the (justified) shitstorm, and perhaps even created one of the best TV shows ever. A missed opportunity, and a crying shame.

@Alex-nk8bw

Жыл бұрын

​@@Wendy420T I wonder how they're planning to pull the Sauron thing off. I mean, the Downfall of Númenor is almost marking the end of the 2nd age. After that, we get the the founding of Arnor & Gondor (a couple pisodes of refugee drama), and the Battle of Dagorlad (two or three episodes maybe), and that's it, all in all maybe one whole season, if it will be as slowly paced as S1. So if Sauron is reveiled at the end of season 1, and Ar-Pharazôn is already an old man (who will be willing to challenge the Valar), how do they plan to stretch this show out over 5 whole season? I'm dreading the amount of filler content bullshit they will be forced to come up with. 😬

It would certainly be more logical and credible if Halbrand became a Nazgul. The question is whether or not Sauron has already promised Halbrand one of the nine rings, or if he's been in touch with Sauron. I mean, after all, the real Sauron can make his own tools, and would never share a raft with a bunch of humans.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

That's a good idea. They seem to be leading up to the fact that Halbrand will be tempted and fall prey to that temptation like the rest of his people. However, it's not known whether he can wield magic, which is what the Nazgul Kings could do before being turned.

@cereszin

Жыл бұрын

I prefer this theory over him being Sauron, because in the books, he awed the numenorians with his craft and appearance. I can't remember well, but I think he also presented himself as an elf, not a human.

@obsidian7644

Жыл бұрын

halbrand = sauron/annatar

@johnnymatheis1018

Жыл бұрын

Well, the writers certainly don't have any ability to write. It's been so forced, contrived, and expository that it's hard to imagine the writers not being on meth or cocaine. Forget about "credible motivation" for some of the characters (Sauron, Galadriel come straight from Leone westerns, and no one can claim there is any motivation in those movies). Elenil acts like he's speaking on stage and to a camera. Is it the actor, or did the director force him to deliver like an amateur? The "deep" lines are goofy, as though they were written by the Bundy family. The attempt at iconic lines is totally uninspired. Can anyone even remember a line from this that isn't straight from LOTR? I sit through it because I grew up on Tolkien, and I will try to sit through the next ones, but I certainly won't go out of my way to do so. It's too uninspired. I'm still sure Isildur's surviving friend is the only one that will irk Isildur in the future enough to curse him and his people to be the dead army under the mountain. That much is obvious. I'm hoping the stranger is Gandalf and not Saruman. I think "blue wizard" is a long shot now. The evil three, when they saw he wasn't Sauron, said "he's the other one", which kind of leads me to think the leader, Saruman, but of course, they could be just as mistaken about that.

@mish375

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnymatheis1018 The wizard is Gandalf. They actually had him say the same line to Nori that he did to Frodo in Moria. That was intentional. The interactions between her and Gandalf, Elrond and Durin, and Adar and the heroes had weight. I disagree with your opinion on Elendil's actor. There are many scenes that show he has range, most notably in episodes 7 and 8 when he thinks his son is dead and he realizes Miriel was blinded and has to care for her. It's likely a directorial decision to have him act a certain way. I figured it was obvious that Halbrand would be a Nazgul but they're going with Sauron so an interesting switch. Begs the question of why he was on a random raft at the beginning with people. Would have thought he'd be in Numenor. Also it's obvious he'll kill (or will kill) Adar to get his Orc army. Possibility once the Balrog begins terrorizing Moria, he may appear and "offer" to make the dwarven rings as "help".