I can't believe that as a mountain biker i just watched a 7 minute ad of an areo rim brake :D

@rickdeckard6597

3 ай бұрын

Same here... I can't explain...

@TheMrbrookster

3 ай бұрын

Dunno, it seemed more like an infomercial.

@judosteffer

3 ай бұрын

Dudes a hell of a salesman

@markusseppala6547

3 ай бұрын

It's the manson lamps

@myburneraccount669

3 ай бұрын

Next week you gonna buy a gravel bike, and a week after that a touring bike, and then finally a road bike

Rim brakes are perfect for my riding abilities... What's really incredible and sickening is how those companies tried to force riders into the Disc brake ...

These are fine for road/triathlon bikes on dry, sunny day, but for gravel, mountain and general mixed weather commuting I would prefer disc.

Have these on a 2007 Cyfac proxidium aluminum frame bike , maximized for aero and durable parts with 60mm deep wheels, not weight weening sits at 7kg . The thing is a rocket , prior to Tri-rig install , I noticed that the only place that always gathered dust was the front of the headset , hence a dead spot for air . I installed these puppies on the front, now there is no dirt on the headset because this thing is slicing the air . Hands down , this brake does what’s advertised on the box .

@tririg

4 ай бұрын

Awesome! We love hearing independent results, tests, anecdotes, etc, just as you’ve described. We try very hard to be very honest in our claims.

Awesome video, i'm glad someone finally said it.

The last rim brake bike I had was cursed with one issue - since I lived in northern parts with lots of rains and did ride on all surfaces, including light gravel, every season I had to change the wheels because the dust and sand combined with water created a perfect grinding paste to obliterate the rim's braking surface. I used Kool Stop wet weather brake pads and those served for about 5-7 thousand kilometers, however, for each two pairs of pads new rims were needed as well. There you have it for "simplicity" and "ease of maintenance". And we don't even have as much rain as in the UK.

@oreocarlton3343

3 ай бұрын

You had alu or carbon rims and cleaned them regularly?

@wesleyvandeurzen7199

3 ай бұрын

wiping down the rims and the pads takes like 5 minutes. You should have done that atleast 1 time a week if you ride alot

@StonerOnLane

3 ай бұрын

Don't blame the equipment for your relaxation, I live in a beach area, I get rained on all the time and my rims have 30,000km

@markthomasson5077

3 ай бұрын

And scary if you blow a rim.

@markthomasson5077

3 ай бұрын

I guess if you can afford such exotic kit, either you can afford new rims, or you save it for race days

Last spring I was out cycling in pouring rain. My bike has rim brakes but I use alloy rims. I had no problems stopping whatsoever. I'm not racing, ride my bike for training (I also go to the gym), so I see no reason to replace my 10 year old bike with rim brakes and alloy rims. Never had a problem with that setup.

@deadreckoner5276

2 ай бұрын

I have mostly rim brake bikes. But I have GRX Di2 hydraulics on my gravel bike and they are honestly incredible. For adverse weather and rougher conditions disc is a no brainer.

Great vid. Couple of points you didn't touch upon: Tyre clearance, rolling resistance and tyre-rim aerodynamics. Would love to hear you thoughts on those, as they are stated to be extra benefits for disc brakes.

@tririg

4 ай бұрын

Definitely worthy of future discussion! I did have some of that in this video but it was already getting too long so I clipped it. Long story short … even accounting for those factors it’s still in favor of rim brakes. But by all means use wide rims and tires! Omega One opens VERY wide and can easily bite a 32mm+ rim.

@stijndeklerk

4 ай бұрын

Just what I was thinking. Even pro cyclists are opting for 30-32mm tires no (because they are no longer restricted by rimbrake caliper width.

@leesem3201

4 ай бұрын

How are you going to hide the cables? All your aero gains lost with the exposed cables.

@IlPinnacolo

4 ай бұрын

​​@@leesem3201the cable sits directly ahead of the head tube so there's no increase in frontal area.

@evanm.2300

4 ай бұрын

​@leesem3201 dude its a cable...ur fine😅

Love the product, love the way you designed it going backwards.

Great. That video makes my day (and that of my 2018 P5) 😎

Good job building in tire clearance and additional reach adjustment. Those were the two things that immediately came to mind as worries when I started the video.

Really sick of the forced move to disc brakes personally. A properly setup set of rim brakes rocks, without all the weight and squealing of disks. I prefer the feel as well.

@ericl6460

4 ай бұрын

Sick of being forced to move to cars. A properly fed horse rocks. I prefer the feel as well 😂

@jasonhurdlow6607

4 ай бұрын

@@ericl6460 Montana is calling... 😁

@makantahi3731

4 ай бұрын

it is good only in wet condition, in dry condition , road bike design can not take all power of disc brakes because of too short wheel distance

@TheRimBrakeGuy

4 ай бұрын

@@ericl6460yeah go get that car, make sure its an EV to save the environment too, don't miss out 🤡

@HCMORGI

3 ай бұрын

unless you ride in all weather, were rim brakes suck and shred your expensive rims. for traithlon and sun shine only riders - sure, stick to your rim brakes.

Over 500$ for a rim brakes.......its a joke

Thanks Nick! Great stuff 👍💥

As a long time believer in disc brakes don't belong on the road, I am stoked to see this!! Great work guys❤

I have never come across a set of brakes that stop better than my old Shimano xtr v brakes.

@manchesterexplorer8519

4 ай бұрын

I rock the XTR's on my 1991 Kona Hei Hei and they work great . The only thing a disc brake is needed for is downhill mountain biking , other than for extreme downhill biking disc brakes are never really needed.

@oreocarlton3343

4 ай бұрын

Hydraulic Disc's are way more powerful than the strongest vbrake, but all that power is useless outside of mtb, disc's also have a strong initial bite compared to rims so a lot of initial modulation is lost

This is a good video that’ll strengthen people’s faith in rim brakes. I have a disc brake frame that needs disc brakes, even though this video was not what I was looking for, I found this it very informative.

The elephant in the room is the shrinking availability of rim brake compatible wheels with safe braking surfaces.

It might not be relevant to a pure racing triathlon bike but what i like in discs is wet braking consistency and not grinding my carbon rims. Then i m a rim brake user, mostly because i dont want to change stuff that work and perform.

@weberito

3 ай бұрын

Guy is just selling his product omitting the obvious. Really poor marketing.

@rosomak8244

3 ай бұрын

@@weberito Ah the rain man argument again. That's because people love to get out on a bike when there water is pouring from the skies. BTW> Switch your pads when they are no good in rain.

@weberito

3 ай бұрын

@@rosomak8244 I guess you just never mtb’d in moderate climate where quarter of the year is muddy, this is not imaginary problem

@DilbertMuc

3 ай бұрын

@@rosomak8244 I guess you never cycled in the Alps where on blue sky suddenly clouds appear and you have a 1000m descent in rain showers. Canti and rim brakes in general let you grow grey hair in a time lapse all the way down to the valley.

I have Cane Creek EE brakes and love them. Light and very strong.

The company selling high end rim brakes explaining why rim brakes are better.

@tririg

4 ай бұрын

Yes. But we design what we want. No one tells us we MUST design rim brakes over disc brakes. This video explains why we choose to do so.

@blaze1148

4 ай бұрын

haha - yup

@jaymueller2418

4 ай бұрын

@@tririgIt’s a fantastic brake and looks beautiful. It’s great for people looking for a powerful, aero, and well built brake for their rim brake rig. But the likelihood of the market swinging back toward rim brakes is low.

@frozerekmeyata4091

3 ай бұрын

@@jaymueller2418 Just because the market is swinging that way doesn't mean that marketing is right. The only place where disk brakes are needed on a road bike is on CF rims, those are what the pros use, the average rider has no reason to be riding on CF rims other than to look like a pro racer complete with the drugstore racer look of wearing racing kit. Just because professional snake oil pushers say we all need to be on disk brakes doesn't mean they're right. This is all about money, the marketing forces are trying to take as much money as possible out of cyclists' credit cards, and we're all stupid enough to believe the lies and spend the money...and they know it.

@sepg5084

3 ай бұрын

​@@frozerekmeyata4091 and this video is also trying to take as much money away from you as possible too, since this is a marketing video 😉 It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one. Once i experienced the smoothness of hydraulic actuation, there's just no going back. It's like cable clutch vs. hydraulic clutch, cable feels jurassic.

living in the Alps, by any weather, I'd never go back to rim brakes for 10km+ steep downhills, mostly during rainy days, discs have been game changers for safety here, already had exploded a tube because of the heat generated on the rim. But for flat riding, aero, maintenance and cost, I totally agree with you.

@oreocarlton3343

3 ай бұрын

It exploded on carbon clinchers?

@MarcAntoineBouchet

3 ай бұрын

@@oreocarlton3343 It was on aluminum Mavic front rim after I climbed the "Semnoz"

@oreocarlton3343

3 ай бұрын

@@MarcAntoineBouchet yikes, did you crashed? It happened to me as well, before I thought it was a myth but because of wrong pads on ceramic oldschool rims

@MarcAntoineBouchet

3 ай бұрын

@@oreocarlton3343 yes I did, but I've been lucky not to get hurt, I'm really careful since this happened^^ I hope you didn't crash, it's scary ! It only happened one time for me.

@oreocarlton3343

3 ай бұрын

@@MarcAntoineBouchet I did mtb for a long time and decided to get a road bike (like many XXXtreme mtbers who try road you entered it with a slight sense of superiority and thing you know everything important), I got a very nice old school used road bike for a nice price. Since I was on hydro disc brakes for so long and did the same mountain road descents on my local mountain in Croatia with my old V-brake mtb, I thought I knew everything I need to know about brakes and especially rim brakes and didnt asked a mechanic to look the bike up (since after all I majored to hydros and did XXXtreme mtb - many people sadly get to think like that) . What I forgot to realize is that stated max tire pressure on road is more than 2x of mtb time so a big volume mtb tire is very hard to explode by rim overheating...anyway on my first descent with that road bike (it had shimano pads on ceramic mavic rims and not salmons when I bought it so you really had to squeeze it and 20mm skinwalls but Im no complainer and forgot the technicalities of rims and pad combo during that time) on the same road Ive done so many times I noticed a change in pressure on the front tire after exiting a switchback at around 40kmh. Ive experienced many rear pinchflats and a few fronts on mtb so the feeling of pressure loss at speeds was there. I stopped at the side of the road to check the front tire and it was dead flat. Rim was ultra hot. I didnt crashed but a lot could have happened if I didnt stop to check when I felt I needed to. After that Ive changed rims and pads, never dragged the brake like a tool and it never happened again, but tube blowouts from braking are not a myth they can be fatal at descent speeds. I think they are more common with beginners who drag the brakes and not brake with intention to let them cool down. Long story but Ive learned a lot from it. Also, rim brake bikes, braking aside, are more enjoyable to ride, they feel more planted, disc brakes also have spoke windup and their initial bite is noticeable compared to calipers. Ive only noticed that after riding rims again.

Using them on a P5. Best rim brake I have ever used! Expensive though ...

@universe-juice

4 ай бұрын

Im a huge fan of the p5. How has it been for you?

@joshuadohmen

4 ай бұрын

​@@universe-juice good so far. Interesting to see that the old p5 frame is still used by so many. Martin Toft Madsen, Anna Kiesenhofer, Dan Bigham ...

@danamellerio5833

9 күн бұрын

I’m thinking of bringing my old P5 out of retirement and getting it back in shape. Do you know how the Omega One compares to the P5 Magura brakes?

@joshuadohmen

9 күн бұрын

Very good!! Also, you probably won't have a choice. Spare parts for the Maguras are very rare today. The Omega is a no-brainer for the p5 ... so easy to set-up and strong. Expensive though

@danamellerio5833

9 күн бұрын

@@joshuadohmen And the rear brake? Another Omega or something else? Thanks!

Nice explanation Nick. Another product (disc) that was invented to solve a problem that doesn't really exist in triathlon. Especially so if pairing rim brakes with HED JET+ Black rims.

@ivanboesky1520

4 ай бұрын

Well to be honest disc brakes have not been pushed onto the road bike and Tri world by accident. It is and has always been about profits. Sell the rider a disc brake at a higher initial price and margin versus a rim brake and put them into a product that is far more finicky, and requires both its brake pads and rotors to be replaced far more frequently and at far higher replacement costs versus a rim brake. 😀

@andreaslaroi8956

4 ай бұрын

@@ivanboesky1520 While your point has some merit, you're making it under a video selling a $275 rim brake.

@paulflory3532

4 ай бұрын

@@andreaslaroi8956 While your point is well taken, it's worth pointing out that really really nice Ultegra 8000 rim brakes can be had for $65 each. Far superior to the single pivot side pull rim brakes of yore. One of the plusses of the mfrs pushing to discs is great discounts on rim stuff.

As a mate put it, '...on Mallorca, disc brakes are solving a problem we haven't got...'

Cant wait to use it.

Great video!

I have two disc brake bikes and two rim brake bikes. The disc brakes are no comparison to my Ultegra rim brakes with Kool Stop brake pads in either power or modulation. For off road use there is a small advantage to disc brakes although canti’s off road are a viable option. Enjoy your day my friends.

Thanks for stepping out of your shower just to bring us this important message.

That's okay for a time trial/aero bike ONLY 💯

Great video. Good for tri bikes! Same analogy would apply to road bikes as well. Grand tours seem to have more downhill crashes with all disc bikes over past rim bike tours especially in the wet. Brake modulation?

@svenweihusen57

3 ай бұрын

Actually the modulation is better for disc brakes. CGN made a test and while braking power on dry tarmac was similar disc performed better on lose underground or in wet conditions. Disc brakes will not cut it for road cycling but are better for everyday use and sports where you have to brake hard and often.

@Hambini @PeakTorque might be needed here, hello 🙂

Very good video!

I can see how Rim Brake would be better for aero. I’m a MTB rider, so disc brakes are really ideal for my application, but damn!!! Those TRO 1 are badass looking. I DIG the engineering, so impressive. If I rode road (lol) I would rock those bad boys. Kudos Good video too!

Campag Chorus Monoplaner still not beaten by design :) Used similar construction on vintage AX Shimano brakes, same working principle, but they are just not stopping you and requires almost no innitial gap between pad and rim.

I have these on my Kestrel LTD 4000, great brakes!

I still have a rim brake bike and the prices of bikes I cannot justify spending so much to get a new bike on par just for disks. I am glad your still pushing the tech the brakes look sweet too. Convincing the Mrs to part way with the money they are.. That will be difficult 😂

Awesome pitch! Truely.

Even though the price is high I still appreciate the continued development of rim brakes.

rim for life

@stevenmarshall7078

4 ай бұрын

Me too. I would live and die with a rim brake. Tour de France been racing with rim brake for years. Go rim brake.

I just used a pair of Tririg Omega one on my 2016 supersix evo 2 months ago, good outlook but less stopping force compare with original Shimano UT6800 brake

@DilbertMuc

3 ай бұрын

You said it! I don't see a good mechanical lever on the Omega like on the Shimanos. Omega looks more like a concealed cantilever brake to me. 🤔

I love my hydraulic disc brakes. there was no looking back for me

Cool. Always liked the Delta look. I'm still on rim brakes myself. My opinion on disc brakes -- if you ever needed to use them on the road for their max potential, you're in big trouble.

@veganpotterthevegan

4 ай бұрын

Living a warmup away from 2 different HC climbs that I've done 5x as many times on rim brakes over discs, discs are significantly better. On the longer climb, I'm over 2min faster on the descent. It's not even close.

@peterwillson1355

4 ай бұрын

​@veganpotterthevegan 🥱

@paulflory3532

3 ай бұрын

@@veganpotterthevegan Fun fact: largest time gains in road racing come from climbs, breakaway groups on flatter terrain, or solo breakaway groups when peloton can't get it together to chase. Not descents. Problem with pushing descents is that crashing almost certainly dashes your chances of doing well. And pushing descents on training or casual rides is pointless for the same reason. Best to set a goal (say 90%?) of your max on the descents, which also helps your confidence so you control the bike more smoothly. Even just road rash really sucks.

@veganpotterthevegan

3 ай бұрын

@paulflory3532 fun fact, if your ride doesn't have climbs, you better have aero stuff. Also a fun fact, it's not like disc brakes add 5lbs to your bike. *Wanna be less likely to crash descending at a high speed? Get disc brakes

@veganpotterthevegan

3 ай бұрын

@paulflory3532 another fun fact, the best way to crash in a race on descents is not practicing those descents.

I'm staying in disc brakes. I love the stopping power even in the wet.

wow...that was smooth

I have never changed my 2017 Mavic Cosmic Xalianth brake pads.The wheels have a knurled alloy brake track and a stiffer harder pad. Even my shop was shocked they are still in perfect condition. You're lucky to get 6 months on DB pads.

Fascinating!

I’ve always preferred the feel of rim brakes and with the right blocks, wet isn’t an issue. As for power? Look at what bicycle trials riders use, hydraulic rim brakes gripping roughed rims.

They are absolutely superior for triathletes. Triathletes aren't braking like road racers anyway. And so much simpler to work on when traveling for races.

@newtoncoffin2254

4 ай бұрын

i own 7 bikes all rim brakes no issues i don't go down the Swiss alps in the pouring rain who does

@snorttroll4379

4 ай бұрын

I do

@veganpotterthevegan

4 ай бұрын

​@@newtoncoffin2254 I've downsized to 8 bikes. Disc brakes are hands down, better than rim brakes. Even in dry weather, they're significantly better. I'm a 10min warmup ride to 2 different HC climbs I've ridden significantly more in rim brakes than disc brakes. But I descend significantly faster due to being able to brake so much later than with rim brakes

@GaweNowakowski

3 ай бұрын

​@@newtoncoffin2254I was in alps with my rim brake road bike and my brother on discs. During descents I didnt have any problems with overheating contrary to my brother, but I would prefer to have discs when it was raining.

@beeldpuntXVI

3 ай бұрын

@vegan… What’s the complete stup whit what materials are you comparing, which brakeman’s? Material composition. The power of braking is only determined by tyre choice, right before the tire skids on the ground a fraction o a second before this skid you reached max breakpower. For both systems it’s The same

Coming from old school, campy super record from the 80s. I bought another newer bike with dual pivot campy brakes , and campy brake cables, I was amazed at why you need disc brakes except maybe in the rain or mountains..

@ivanboesky1520

4 ай бұрын

The only advantage they provide in the mountains is under extremely wet conditions or a poorly designed carbon rimmed wheel with a bad braking surface. In the dry a disc will heat up and start to warp on extended braking during a dry descent far faster than a rim wheels’ braking surface will because it has far less braking surface area than the outer edge of a wheel rim does. Plus the margin for error - distance from the brake to the braking surface is far smaller on a disc brake versus a rim brake making that warping disadvantage at the disc brake rotor even more of a detriment versus a rim brake. That doesn’t even get to the other obvious disadvantages in the mountains of discs versus rim brakes due to their inferior aerodynamics and the average weight of a typical disc brake set up is a good 1.5 pounds heavier than a typical comparable rim brake set up.

@MrChippinator

3 ай бұрын

Last spring I did both a crazy descent and a ride in pouring rain on my 10 year old Argon 18. In fact, I think rim brakes saved me as I got the line wrong on the descent. Basically I nearly went off the road but the fact that I had rim brakes ensured I didn't get a lockup and allowed me to get the bike under control before going off into the ditch. This way I was able to save the bike and stayed upright. Same thing, in severe downpour, you just need rim brakes on alloy rims. Discs have a negligible advantage on everything except carbon rims. That cycling trip, if nothing else, proved the efficacy of rim brakes when using alloy rims.

@rosomak8244

3 ай бұрын

@@ivanboesky1520 You are very generous with the 1.5 pound claim. Typically it's even more.

@troydelbridge4878

3 ай бұрын

Rim brakes can be deadly in the wet when the riding surface is also dusty, I’ve experienced total rim braking failure on road descents under these conditions, but never with discs under the same conditions - the water and fine dust form what is essentially a lubricating compound between the pads and the rim making the generation of braking friction impossible - so there is a reason rim brakes have become outdated technology. I would never go back to rim brakes for safety reasons alone.

@MrChippinator

3 ай бұрын

@@troydelbridge4878 were you using alloy or carbon rims? I agree rim brakes should be nowhere near a carbon rim.

I feel that for triathlon, one important thing has to be mentioned: The dynamics and agility of braking is far less important than in road bike racing. And this is why so many of the disc brake advantages are pointless in triathlon and rim brake disadvantages are minor - it is a sport in which cycling works just very different than racing in a group.

Merde. I just bought a disc brake bike (with cable shifters) and have been holding out for years with my aging rim brake bike. You just described what I've been thinking and theorizing for years. My new bike has nice Mavic aluminum rims with bladed spokes.

Remember MTB brake booster arches from the v brake era of the late 1990's . This is another concept aiding performance . I have these .

@ofeykalakar1

4 ай бұрын

Look like C Record from the 80’s

TRP Aero V-Brakes, love them on my 10yo Giant Propel.

Excellent!

Testing the supreme aerodynamics without the cables is the way to go!

@frozerekmeyata4091

3 ай бұрын

They did that with internal housing.

@Dumbo3.1428

3 ай бұрын

@@frozerekmeyata4091 as far as I know there is no possibility to anker the cable somewhere else but on the top of the caliper. Wich means that they yust left it off

Thank you! I have been beating the rim brake drum every since Specialized.

My cyclocross has extra long pads, amazing braking, in my opinion almost as good as discs without all the headaches. Once i swapped to swisstop on my rim road I've never felt like i needed discs but down steep descents i would much prefer to ride my disc bike.

I absolutely agree, Disc brakes are not necessarily on tri bikes or road bikes. The bicycle parts manufacturers forced them on bikes and bike shops. Then bike shops had to force them on the customer. The Disc system has had a ton of problems in the initial trial years. And have settled into a subpar marginal component. The bicycle was so great for over a hundred years due to its elegant simplicity. I know I'm preaching to the choir here so I'll cut my rant short. Thanks for staying in the game and continuing to innovate. In time we'll see disc drop off in popularity and become a high cost niche item that few will desire.

@jaymueller2418

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. I mean, mountain bikes are all going back to rim brakes.

@manchesterexplorer8519

4 ай бұрын

Disk brakes are not needed for anything other than for bombing down the side of a mountain.

@Bernholesurfer

4 ай бұрын

​@@jaymueller2418still riding my 26" Bridgestone MB-2 with Dia Compe cantilevers in the front and a Suntour Rollercam in the back. Not all of us crave performance and the latest tech available.

@rickstout01

4 ай бұрын

Something hasn't been forced on you if there is an alternative.

@frozerekmeyata4091

3 ай бұрын

​@@jaymueller2418 I didn't read in his post anything about MTB's, can you read?

I love your approach to innovation, what did you studied how can anyone start on bike design?

I totally believe the fairing effect. When reviewing data from various manufacturers (this was like 15 years ago, mind) it was shown that putting a water bottle in the seat tube creates a fairing that increases aerodynamic efficiency of the rear wheel in almost any circumstance by directing air around the turbulent rear spokes. Not sexy, not expensive, quite effective.

I'm still on rim brakes and ever will.

@hoizkiacha

4 ай бұрын

Plus: I like the cute little curly lock of hair on your forehead.

Amen brother - swissstop black pads and alu swisside 625 rim braking track - 😍😍😍

This is so cool

I like both systems. One point not mentioned is that all breaking surfaces are subject to wearing. When you invest in a good pair of wheels it’s easier and cheaper to simply change rotors.

These have been around for years. I had one on my BMC.

Still using rim brakes. I'm not racing, just riding for fun. Yes disc brakes are more consistent regardless of wheather. But I choose when I ride. I don't remember when I was soaked wet on my ride. If it rains (which is rare in my case) most of the time it's just light showers. As for excessive rim temperatures in the mountains, I rode thousands of kms in the mountains, mostly in the french alps, never had any problem with overheating. BTW I'm pretty light and that helps.

@MrChippinator

3 ай бұрын

I rode in pouring rain with rim brakes and alloy rims. No problems stopping whatsoever. The biggest issue is stopping on carbon rims. Unless you're racing, why do you need carbon rims anyway?

@vasiliipopov416

3 ай бұрын

If I weren't riding in the rain, I'd probably have only 2 or 2.5 months of riding every year, which is unacceptable for a commute solution. And rim brakes eat through rim brake surfaces pretty easily if you live in a wetter part of the world, especially if your city isn't cleaned properly from the dust. I had a rim brake bike for two years and had to change the rear wheel twice and the front once for that reason.

That's pretty neat! You need to design some retractable drag-flaps in addition for added braking power 🤓

I just got some Kool Stop pads for my rim brakes on my computer bike. Never had a problem stopping on 40% downgrades in pouring rain in seattle after riding through all kinds of road yuck toward the bike lanes. And these were the standard cannondale V brakes that come on lots of their commuter and consumer bikes.

I like the disassembly feature for travel. Dislike having to readjust often.

This is actually really good race advice for tri and time trials bikes. They are flat out the worst handling bikes and would greatly benefit on better braking modulation. Ironman Sacramento had torrential downpours and some hard turns where modulation is hugely beneficial. And most tri athletes I’ve seen aren’t into bikes/maintenance and the reliability and simplicity of a cable verses hydraulic line is massive. The reworks stopped using them because of dirt,water and mud which only leaves water for tri and time bikes to deal with and modern compounds can easily solve that. Personally I only ride dirt but after volunteering on the course for sacs triathlons this makes total sense to me There’s drawbacks but not many.

Spot-On! A couple more points: Maintenance - the average home mechanic will struggle to maintain their own bikes with complated internal hydraul runs, bleeds, etc. My time is very limited and Id rather be out riding the dealing with yet another brake bleed, etc Rim brake wheels - and frames - for that matter ride better. As you said disc wheels requite extra spokes and dont ride as well as wheels 10 years ago did. Even frames, particularly forks, have gotten stiffer. Even most of us steel frame builders go up a gage on fork blades for a diac frame. There are about a hundred other reasons why rim brakes are superior in most ways. You hit the nail on the head with 'system weight' for example. Oh and dont forget that pros have actually lost races due to extended wheel change times, etc, etc. I love my 203 rotor hydraulics on my trail bike...but for anything else give me rim brakes!

Amen brother, Proud Luddite (Cheshire, England)

Agree with all of his points. For road use, the only scenario where disk brakes are a clever option is in the wet. I live in southern California, which is comparatively dry (short, light rainy season)and although we have plenty of steep climbs, my 3 bikes are rim brake. No need for heavier, clunkier stuff.

Beautiful

Bro's got that sociopath stare . . .

Where were you? Was about to quit triathlon cos of insane prices of bike, and the wave that came that rim brakes are collector's item. Cheers!

my idea of fun is dodging trees on a 30lb hunk of 20 year old metal. thats a super interesting way of designing on solidworks. i feel like my mind has opened a little bit. so cool!

Campagnolo Delta reborn. New and improved

@danieletognozzi7641

4 ай бұрын

While Campagnolo drops out of the pro peloton and the hearts of cyclists for not daring stick to their roots

@Primifluous

4 ай бұрын

I would say if delta and suntour roller cam brakes had a baby.

A great way to extend the life and performance of old frames. Another important point that would be good to address is the availability of fast aluminum brake track rims. What's a best vs best comparison? Taking a system approach, what's the best rim brake total package vs best disc brake package?

@tririg

4 ай бұрын

Great things to think about. We may do a follow up video with these things in mind.

@matkrek

4 ай бұрын

Hed jet

A point that was not mentioned, but also plays a role: the dosage! Disc brakes are easier to use, especially in different weather conditions! Furthermore, the selection is also larger because there are fewer factors that you have to consider in order to get similarly good results with different brakes.When it comes to really good rim brakes, the selection is very limited and they don't fit every bike.

Can I mount this on my Pinarello Dogma F Rim brake version?

Does the new Omega One work with newer road bike frames with direct-mount forks? Like the Pinarello F12?

I have a Custom Titanium Rim break and a Trek Domane 5.2 Rim brake. Will these fit on these bikes?

Nice, really nice! Sort of reminds me of the Shimano 600AX Aeros & the awful Campy Deltas! Although I’ve used all types of braking systems (hydraulic, rim, disc, fixed, feet & falling off), rim brakes win hands down!

As a former professional cyclist, let me tell you, Rehm Banks or Superior to disc brakes. Actually people forget that the reason that this brakes came on the market were because Bicycles last a long time and they use it to make people buy new ones not because they were better Carbon rim with a reinforced track for the breaking works perfectly. I would know I’ve gone down rose in Europe and a pack of 200 people brakes are terrible.

I don't even have a bike but want to buy this brake!

I like my rim brakes on my road bike and i like my disk brakes on my gravel bike. I wouldn't dislike them on my road bike, but i have zero issues with just plain old ultegra rim brakes

what about the negative effect of rim brakes on carbon wheels, i.e. dirt and temperature damaging the carbon and possibly causing ruptures?

If anyone asks me how to choose a bike for triathlon i mostly tell them to look for great deals on used rimbrake bikes. People are selling rockets with all the bells and whistles, Di2, deep dish wheels etc. Also the deals you can get on used rim brake disc wheels are incredible. Also rim brake parts will be available for years to come. Come race day and you have a broken rim brake part, you'll easily get a replacement at any bike shop or bike rental. May it be a brake line or a caliper. Quick fixing a disc brake? Not so much. I was on the fence going back to rim brake actually, selling my disc brake speed max and getting a well maintained argon 18 with all the stuff on it. Decided to stay with my bike though because all our bikes are disc brakes.

I think for road discs are not necessary, but they do look much nicer imo

Great video and I’m interested for sure. I have a cannondale CAAD 10 that I’m about to start racing on. Also a giant TCR disc brake bike too that I won’t be racing on as it’s too expensive if I crash. I am not a expert in this field but I feel what’s been left out is the fact it’s very hard to get top of the line rim brake wheels now. I don’t see any of the latest and best wheels being offered in rim brake anymore. So weather we like disc brakes or not it’s becoming increasingly hard to get good rim brake wheels. Technology into testing rim brakes is far more expensive and companies are not looking at spending money on that. Also the wear of wheels after constant use of rim brakes wasn’t mentioned, it’s fine if you want to replace your wheels every 5 years or less if you live in the mountains.

@peterwillson1355

4 ай бұрын

I replace a rim every year. So what?

Beautiful and Im sure effective brake. What if you ride in the mountains a lot?

@tririg

4 ай бұрын

Mountain/trail riding is a good candidate for rim brakes. Mud will get caked on your tires/rims and impede the mechanics of braking. Separating the braking on an independent rotor helps in those cases.

Ngl imma steal the design

Rim for road and disc for dirt.

Rim brakes are fine on alloy rims. Love the modulation, love them in the city, love the ease of maintenance. Kool-Stop pads seem nice too. Don't care too much about absolute areo or absolute speed, just highly annoyed with people who think rim brakes are unsafe or something silly like that. The braking disc is literally the size of the wheel. If your braking materials are fine, so is your braking power.

@oreocarlton3343

3 ай бұрын

Rim brakes do loose power in the wet, that is true but overall they are a superior option. PS despite not loosing so mu h power disc initial bite is stronger which causes a lot of crashes on thin tires

@rockstopsthetraffic

3 ай бұрын

@@oreocarlton3343 yeah. With good pads and maintenance, they're more than adequate in rain as well, as long as you're not on some extremely heavy or high-torque e-bike. It all depends what you're doing. I like going reasonably quick but I'm also commuting on a city street most of the time. I want to slow down gradually at anticipated red lights, knowing I can still stop. I want to quickly replace my pads for cheap every few months. If I were on the bleeding-edge doing racing, or needing to stop on a dime on rocky terrain, I might have a very different opinion.

@frozerekmeyata4091

3 ай бұрын

@@oreocarlton3343 Using Kool Stop Salmon pads grip wet aluminum rims like you would not believe, you'll think you're on disks.

The only advantage of disc brakes that i can think of is , they make your very expensive wheels virtually immortal

@lannym

4 ай бұрын

This it true, and it's also unlikely to see many people running alloy rims on a tri bike, or road bike for that matter in 2024....

i have one bike with rim break and one with disk. i can say for sure in wet weather disk breaks work way better than rim breaks. i've been caught out in heavy rain on rim breaks and dear god it was terrifying. i couldn't squeeze enough to make my bike stop quickly. i've been out in rain with disk break and it is far superior. the rim breaks are Shimano 105. the disk break is SRAM rival.

Over 20 years ago Campagnolo already came out with this rim brake design!

@ForestBunz

4 ай бұрын

Campagnolo 'Delta' brakes sucked ass when you needed serious stopping power, but were gorgeous. We called them "speed modifiers".

A bit late to the Party, pal. Agreed on the Aero/weight/simplicity aspects of these brakes. However, good luck trying to find top tier Frames and Wheels that will house rim brakes.