Ahhh. The old West Covina judo tournaments with the roll out mats. Long gone now. I won this tournament as a white then brown belt during this time (1990-1994). had no idea who the Machados or Gracies were until UFC 1. Fun times.

1. At the time this video was shot, Judo people knew very, very little of BJJ. 2. This is Rigan Machado, multiple National BJJ champ, undefeated in something like 350 fights - these guys didn't have much of a chance.

@fungusjunky55

10 жыл бұрын

How could they know so little they stem from the same origins

@Heskeyforpresident

10 жыл бұрын

Because the time allocated to mastering newaza (the groundgame) became significantly less relevant in the broader context of Judo as an olympic sport. It was believed in Judo for quite some time that it's easier to transition into learning the groundgame after a solid standup game had been developed than it was the other way round. They're just inexperienced because they haven't trained it to the same high level that machado has. Just to put the judo bashing to rest. The reason BJJ gets compared to Judo is because a large proportion of Judo newaza techniques actually weren't derived for the ryus and jujitsu schools before them. Granted, many of the pins and takedowns were but the newaza aspect was largely inovated at the kodokan under master Tsunetane Oda. The dude invented the triangle choke and a number of variations for example that simply weren't known to any schools or curriculums outside of the kodakan.at the time. He pioneered the Kosen judo movement of newaza back before judo became an olympic sport. There's videos of him doing things like knee on belly, omaplatas, even the lock down. A whole host of techniques many believe to be BJJ exclusive because they're no longer in mainstream Judo. Just because most judoka aren't familiar with the techniques, it doesn't mean the techniques are unfamiliar to judo.

@fungusjunky55

10 жыл бұрын

Heskey forPresident you just bashed it yourself there ne waza sucks you said it now so do I, judokas always say they know all the same stuff and have better takedowns. And the reason there ne waza became so poor is because of the desire to get it in the Olympics, if it were what you said a black belt would still have good ne waza he would have had to take more time to learn it before getting his black belt that's all.

@Heskeyforpresident

10 жыл бұрын

fungusjunky Wipe your chin you're talking shit. Nowhere did I say Judos Newaza sucks. It's admittedly not at the same level as BJJ across the board because under the olympic ruleset there is hardly any room for newaza to flourish. Unlinke most of BJJ, Judo is a not-for profit sport. Most clubs are heavily funded by the government because of the sports inclusion in the olympics. To keep government funding, it's got to look as exciting as possible to the casual spectator. That's the reason newaza is shunned under the olympic ruleset...because it's boring to casuals. Then it has a trickle down effect to the grass roots because 90% of mid to high level tournaments follow the olympic ruleset. This is because all the mid-high level judo tournaments are centered around developing potential olympic medalists. Typically the more medals your country wins the more funding it gets to maintain that level of performance. The clubs train to win tournaments....it's a sport first...martial art second these days because its funding comes from these sports bodies. Same with the athletes...they're inclusion and funding depends on there results they get in Judo competitions. To get the results they need...they must specialise in tachiwaza(standup) at a level so high that there isn;t enough time that can be allocated to bringing their newaza to the same level. Instead, they specialise their newaza to the small window that presents itself in competition. Think how many bjj matches would be stood back up if you hadn't passed guard within 10 seconds of his back touching the floor. I've seen Judo black belts ragdoll BJJ purple belts depending on the athlete, just as I've seen it the other way. As soon as judo starts allowing more newaza you'll see the skill level skyrocket.

@fungusjunky55

8 жыл бұрын

Heskey forPresident exactly my point.

I love how the judo guys are getting pissed because he's going for submissions instead of big throws.

@coryvore

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Ablang right. The throw is not the end all be all. It’s the set up for a finishing move. Judo is a little out of touch with reality all because their sport is in the olympics. Mark my words, BJJ will reign supreme one day. It’s the complete system with all forms of grappling being tied in as time progresses.

@socalbeachieboy6135

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say the art is out of touch. But how its taught. In my judo school we don't neglect ne waza and roll at the end of class. We've gotta BJJ black belt that shows us a lot of things. We are taught to prepare as if you won't get the ippon and get ready to transition into ground work.

@tormohafighter3957

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryvore When you realize that the IBJJF is just as bad as the Olympic Judo committee... My man, do you realize that most Jiu-jitsu guys crosstrain Judo or Wrestling just so they have a solid takedown game? Jiu-jitsu has good guard, good submissions, but little time spent on fighting for dominant positions and takedowns. This is coming from a Jiu-jitsu Blue Belt with a Judo Brown Belt and four years of Catch Wrestling. I've been to three different Jiu-jitsu Gyms, one of which being a Gracie Barra Location, and I was royally disappointed. I love Jiu-jitsu, I love Judo, I love Wrestling, but that's because I love Grappling. To say any grappling style will reign supreme makes you sound like a McDojo owner from the 1970s going on and on about how their Dim Mak or Akidio would beat Bruce Lee. Good grapplers train every Grappling Style, and they learn something new everytime they roll. Some examples being Josh Barnett, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Marco Ruas, and Keita Nakamura.

@Todo_fighting

3 жыл бұрын

@@tormohafighter3957 could not said better.

@Todo_fighting

3 жыл бұрын

@@tormohafighter3957 its a bit sad when the rolling session start stand up and some guys just sit on their butt avoiding any effort to defend the takedown or take the opponent down.

I always love the comments from the coaches of the competitors. These guys sound like they have never trained a day in their lives but love giving out instructions. I especially love when he says not to worry as Machado,locks in an armbar.

Thanks everyone who contributed to put judo in the place it deserves. Rigan really pissed judo black belts off in their own ruleset.

@zamolxezamolxe8131

3 жыл бұрын

he was a world class bjj black belt. yet he never fought a world class judoka. he would never won a high level tournament. they would have swept the floor with him n the first 30 seconds already.

“That’s one of the Gracie guys......lock on to his arm, you’re ok!”

3:05 - "LOCK ON THAT ARM! YOU'RE OKAY!" Thanks coach...

Wow! Classic footage right here! Rigan's a great person.

This was at the East San Gabriel Japanese Community Center. A low level local tournament.

Judokas always say bjj should give thanks and owes its origins to judo but judokas never give that kind of respect to jujitsu which is where judo stems from. Meada was still calling it jiu jitsu when he was teaching in Brazil as Kano was to. Is short judo stems from jiu jitsu so does bjj.

@starvader340

9 жыл бұрын

I do notice that many more bjj players respect judo than judokas respect BJJ . Judo was the first martial art I tried but they kicked me out because I foot ball tackled one of the black belts back to back. LOL So then i went to a bjj gym and tried to do the same thing but i ended up getting submitted so many times i could not keep count . I was in awwwwww. Been doing bjj ever since. that was 18 years ago. BJJ and i love to study Judo as well but not with the sore losers!

@evening_kovacs

9 жыл бұрын

wasn't jiujitsu just the first name adopted for judo? then eventually they made it official to call it judo. and maeda had a different philosophy from kano's which got carried into bjj.

@starvader340

9 жыл бұрын

Yes sir Its jiujitsu or ju jitsu from day one. Then everything evolved from there .. BJJ, JUDO. etc. And right now as we speak BJJ is evolving even more. BJJ practitioners love to learn and in some cases to much to fast ( younger belts ) LOL but thats why BJJ is open minded and always willing to mix in other grappling arts with in the art. If positions work BJJ players are gonna use them and make them better. For example, at one time their under 10 set ups for a loop choke , not anymore! now people hit from everywhere! Maeda was also learning and sharing techniques of catch wrestling as well.

@fungusjunky55

8 жыл бұрын

Leo Cantu yup! I love incorporating nelsons the way I learned in wrestling in bjj.

Good point. All I really feel is that it's annoying to me that most judokas think BJJ is highway robbery and talk a lot of crap. I feel like BJJ is another branch in the evolution of judo. BJJ brought a lot of new things to grappling. In the beginning, Most of the Gracies restyled moves and crossed trained in wrestling, judo, sambo etc to add to what they knew. It was a really innovative way of thinking. I love judo and have trained with you guys in the past.

WOW, I just read the entire thread! That was a feat in itself. Some people really need to pick up a book or two and learn some history about BJJ and Judo. I have no prior martial arts experience and have started practicing Judo and BJJ at some local places.

0:48 this is one of the reasons I dislike current judo rules, the rules already try to take the grappling out of judo and make it just a throwing contest, to the point that pulling guard for a submission can be considered a loop hole. You could hear the contempt in the guys voice "oh come on". I am seeing people in the comments too showing contempt for grappling by saying he is just playing the rules...Sorry but if we are talking martial arts, armbaring someone will end a fight waaaaaay before a sweep will. If you are looking sports wise?...He played by your rules. I can understand stuff like stalling, waiting on a point victory etc, but actively finishing a fight? You should APPLAUD that in any martial art. Its like being disgusted if there was a KO in a TKD tournament with a straight up shin to the head. Or being offended that someone got dropped in a kung fu tournament by a haymaker. (I have seen people complain in a comp where head strikes were aloud, they basically complained there was no grace and they would of not got points for that strike....even though it koed the person and they thought the guy was not being a true martial artist and just a thug).

That particular version of the turtle armlock roll is a Neil Adams variant. The Machado's went to a Neil Adams Judo seminar in the early 90's, so that's where he must have picked it up. Excellent technique, and both arts are one and the same.

Rogan Machado on your back Coach is like: That's nothin' Oh reeeeaasallllyyyy?????

@chrismacdonald4570

2 жыл бұрын

Rigan Sorry

@memysurname7521

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My Master!!

He kinda beat them in their own game, because they were incapable of throwing him on the ground like they love ...

Good luck with your endeavor, enjoy the feeling you get from a real martial art.

From my experience so far at my Judo club we do practice throws a lot more than newaza. When we do practice newaza it is solid. I do understand the rules are different between the two. And Judo newaza is more to the point since stalling gets you stood up right away. According to my instructors back in the day Judo ref would let you stay n the ground longer while now it's a lot quicker to get broken up.

Bjj foundations came from judo camilo.. Maeda was a judoka who is pure judo. But worked on his ground fighting skills. He taught the Gracies and the Gracies improved the newaza from there. Learn before you ask other people to learn.

The fact that this judo tournament allows techniques like Machado is using is a proof that this judo tournament knows all he's doing come from judo. What happens is that judo forgot about newaza as though it did't existed in judo, but the reality is tha it's been in judo and Japanese culture since the beginning of time.

@oseiasgeremias135

Жыл бұрын

O judô perdeu. Aceita que dói menos.

" Tom....relax relax. Listen, stay off the mat with this guy." Haha! If they only knew!

Is this a team tournament in early to mid 90's? I can see it is at West Covina Dojo. If so do you have footage of any other matches? I was teenager and competed against a jiu jitsu team at the same event. I lost by armbar as I stood back up. I would be interested in seeing the footage.

@OVERCAPITALIZE The thing to consider here in this BJJ vs Judo vid is that it's a legendary BJJ player against prob average Judo black belts. Against the average BJJ black belt it's going to be the same result but against a Judoka of the same level he's prob getting thrown.

I do enjoy both =D They both compliment each other well. I do like that taking both since the other class fills in what the other lacks by nature of the sport.

My point is more they derived from Jujutsu the ancient samurai fighting art and that having both is by far a better option than a singular. I do agree though that it is the practitioner who determines which is better on the style vs style matches.

My club does both Judo and BJJ. Cant imagine only training in one.

@physicalactivityscience1821

8 жыл бұрын

+k9m42 Think again. BJJ and modern Judo are one, Kano Ryu Jiu-Jiutsu

Judo isn't an offshoot of traditional Japanese Ju-Jutisu because TJJ wasn't a system; just various techniques that had striking, grappling, and weapon use. Dr. Kano took high percentage throws and high percentage submissions and took out striking and weapons to form The Gentle Way. BJJ focuses completely on free practice which would only end in submissions because there is no end point in free practice. However Judo tournaments have three different end points, Pin, Tap, or Throw. BJJ is Judo :)

@Jimmynable exactly--this really isn't "bjj vs judo" with bjj winning over. this is one very highly skilled black belt (one of the best in the world) beating some other black belts.

Yes this isn't BJJ beats Judo, this is Rigan Machado beats a bunch of people. Rigan is a monster. He would have been a monster regardless of if he had a BJJ, Judo, Sambo or whatever background. I've been lucky enough to train with the man and its his obsessive attention to detail and strong work ethic which set him apart from the masses. Obviously there is natural talent there as well and this just makes it even worse for whoever has to face him.

Was this tournament under judo rules? I didnt think submissions were allowed in judo tournaments. Also didnt didnt think pulling guard was allowed.

Sweet Jebus! Look how quickly he passes the guard. Thanks to BJJ and MMA Judo guys are working on their matwork again. BJJ needs to straiten up though too. I'd only recommend a Gracie Academy or affiliate like Caique or Machado brothers because the first thing they teach you is defense against punches and stuff, and work the takedowns much much more.

@TenteixSaigo Yeah.. people need to understand that all these old videos of BJJ vs Judo were BJJ doing submissions off the bat while the judoka's were probably more confused since the rules where to score ippon from takedown or submission but no one in a judo tournament does a submission right at the start, unless it was a armbar or juji gatame.

Just to Add, what we have in this video is Rigan ( a world classbjj competitor) dominating a club level Judo tournament where most of the competitors are weekend warriours at best. So its hardly a fair comparison. NO Judo tourny of any high level would ever be held on wrestling mats with tape. That Said The Machado's are AMAZING. Would have been cool to see them take on some Olympic Judo competitors.

ahh i remember the good old days when all i cared about was JUDO i miss my younger years :(

Love JJ and Judo. Difference is Judoka are stuck in the past and refuse to adapt. Many Judoka still can't solve the guard, yet it's now elementary in most grappling arts.

If anyone has ever read Dr. Jigoro Kano's book "Mind Over Muscle" you would know why he set-up Judo the way he did. He incorporated the idea of striking, however did not practice it because strikes are unforgiving unlike tapping out. The only true difference between Modern Jiu Jistu and Judo is the amount of time allowed on the mat and the ability to win by throw. Its practically the same sport with different focuses. However its fun to watch the outcomes....

BJJ and Judo are both part of the Jiu Jitsu tree, neither are better but both combined compliment the others game. Have both and be better.

Since BJJ gained popularity, a lot of judoka are training newaza harder than before. These fights can go either way now.

The guy who says "Good Night" early on sounds like David Spade.

if anyone has a link to bjj vs judo match that took place at a tournament above the local level please share.

As a few of you have already said, these are decent, but not high-level, judokas at best. Not a good comparison.

I 100% agree with you

@wllcr I've been to over 20 BJJ competitions in last 3 years and I see more and more judokas in them, some are not so well and some are kicking butt. I've also been in over 10 Judo competitions in the last 3 years (also in Florida) and I rarely see any BJJ guys (I see the dojos names on the list of attendance of each competition). The reason is that it's harder to learn throws and takedowns than ground work. It takes more practice on your feet than on your back.

@Jimmynable Totally dude. Next thing you know the category name "martial arts" won't be here anymore.. it'll be categories.. with "Striking, Submission Wrestling"

You can see the rule changes happening live lol. As a judoka i wish we still allowed grabbing legs standing up and flying armbars.

@alan513 BJJ as a sport and BJJ as self defense are two different things. The US military trains in BJJ now, and do you think they train for sport with all it's rules and limitations?

@JasonSpiffy -- good point. I was a national judo competitor in the late 70's and early 80's. Judo rules back then let us stay on the mat for up to 30 seconds. During that time somebody had to gain a superior position and take the advantage. You're right BJJ rules are different from Judo. It's confusing. Rickson Gracie lost his only match ever to a judo man because of confusion over rules.

Most Judo player including the black belts have no idea how to defend their backs. This is one of the biggest problems judo has

@billysue2 other than a few sweeps (like de la riva guard / sweep, etc) what else does BJJ have that Kosen or traditional Kodokan judo does not have??? Please keep in mind, Helio Gracie used Judo to invent "BJJ", which is not a style but more of a teaching method (In my opinion). Kodokan Judo has escapes, chokes, arm locks, shoulder locks, pins, throws, sweeps, guards, wrist locks, even leg locks & groin locks... so what does BJJ have that Judo doesn't?

@SeanOMatic AND WHERE DID JUDO COME FROM??? JIUJITSU

Old. School.

@kozushi Yeah people forget the guy here is Rigan freaking Machado. I don't know what the credentials of the Judo guys are but all Black Belts aren't made the same. Congrats on your victories :). I'm a BJJ guy by the way LOL. I would love to train Judo in the future to improve my Tachi Waza.

Honestly i think the style matters ALOT. But when its Bjj vs Judo then yeah,i agree that its more in the individual then the style,becaouse both Bjj and Judo are extremely similair arts.And the results in this vid are not really a suprise condsidering what a talented individual Rigan is.

@19thaman79 no problem dude, happens to all of us. :-)

"you have your grip he can't do anything" the only thing your judoka can do is tap or snap..

I'm a Judo black belt and after training in BJJ for a few months, I find Im the equivalent of a high blue belt to low purple. I have tapped many purple belts but not all . I have only been tapped twice by purple belts. I have never tapped a bjj brown belt but I've survived many a match with brown belts. Barely. Browns almost always tap me. LOL. Having said that, a BJJ black belt is not much better than a Judo green belt in standup. I've seen Judo purple belts smoke BJJ black belts standing,

rigan machado is also a judo dan grade.. this is a judo tournament, which is why they keep standing them up and not allowing too much time on the ground.. doesn't prove one style is better than any other.. judo is best for throws.. jiu jitsu concentrates on submissions.. that is what makes mma what it is!!!

True, WELL DONE YOU BEAT A BLUE BELT (38seconds)

which one is winning?

i agree and the fact that judo was first

@SeanOMatic Not exactly. Judo is more BJJ's cousin than ancestor. They are both derived from the original Japanese Jiu Jitsu,

@kozushi Try the same tournaments at the black belt level.

Rigan bas your back, Guy says your ok,🤣🤣🤣🤣

There are many throws and takedowns taken from wrestling and judo used in bjj. Also front kicks to set up the clinch. To actually be graded you need to know punch defence, clinch defence, defence against stick attacks and lots of other shit. I've been to many BJJ gyms where they put on gloves and practice defence against strikes and multiple opponents. Im pretty confident it was you that said receiving a black belt in Judo only took time. In bjj you actually need skill to get your blackbelt...

My "pedigree" is just fine. I just don't point to it to show the world how much I know about martial arts. I have trained in BJJ for many years, boxed in amateur fights, have had multiple amateur cage fights, etc. My point is this: some styles simply don't work regardless of the "stylist". With very very few exceptions, traditional martial arts like Karate just are not effective. That's my point. I don't care if you're in phenomenal shape. If the style sucks, so does the fighter.

those moves are in judo as well but not allowed in competition

@seanOmatic: you mean judo will give you good tachiwaza.. Randori means free practice or free training

That's a shame for those who don't have talent but still try. :/

@ihavetheherpes Right know I am exploring the original Jujutsu version of Judo Throws. THere are many modified throws that are meant to break limbs or kill. I know 4 so far. There is a neck breaker throw that was modified into a standing arm bar by Jigoro Kano. It's so easy to apply that I am glad it's not part of the current curriculum. I believe Nijitsu and Japanese Jujitsu have some of the original throws, but they are a recreation of Jujutsu. Jujutsu as akilling art died off during WWII.

@kozushi The question then becomes... Did you win the black belt division in the BJJ tourney?

Actually BJJ derived from Judo. Which one is better depends on the practitioner and which rules you are using, but generally BJJ is at a disadvantage since Judo encompasses almost all of BJJ techniques. Though there are a lot of BJJ techniques that are illegal in the world of Judo such as knee locks, etc.

@SeanOMatic SO this is the HISTORY ..correct me if im wrong..... Kano studied jiujitsu... and gotten a few throws and a few locks from jiujitsu and called it JUDO...gracies learned the few few locks and throws from judo added a few more and style and called it brazilian jiujitsu...

How many times did he use that same move.

@BlackShinobiShozoku i agree... it's sad to see that BJJ guys think that all Judo schools teach only throws with basic newaza .. maybe in the states that's the case but international senseis from Russia, Cuba, Korea, Japan, Netherlands, and from former USSR do emply 50% newaza all the time ... Many US senseis are doing the same now (50% up/50% down) BJJ guys do not know that 3 out of 4 ways to win a Judo match comes from newaza (choke, arm locks, and pins) ... sad.

@Godsmasher22 - Agree. What I gather from this video is that Machado, one of the best grapplers in the world used Ne Waza to easily beat a number of American Judoka who had terrible Ne Waza.. I think Ne Waza must be badly neglected in the USA if that is the standard of the Dan grades.

BJJ did derive from Judo considering BJJ uses technique instead of strenght, and Judo uses technique instead of strenght. The only difference is BJJ forgot about a stand up game.

3:25 what choke is that?

@healingglory The excuse he gave was confusion over rules, Rickson is also a black belt in Judo he must have known Uchimata on your back is ippon and defeat.

@Jimmynable Remember like about 50 years ago, it was the boxing craze.. Then 1970-80, was the kungfu craze, then when ever karate kid came out back then it was the karate craze lol... Now it's the MMA craze... but then a couple years after, it'll be "normal" and not as popular.. Lol

@franciscoreatas11 probably because no one wears that steel/iron armor anymore lol. gotta have love for our roots though. samurai are pretty legit. gotta love that katana and wakazashi.

It's strange. I do both bjj and judo and the techniques machado is using here remind me more of judo than they do bjj.

@fungusjunky55

10 жыл бұрын

Thats 'cause judo guys started to learn from bjj guys, don't get me wrong we do take down drill every night at my gym now because bjj started to become a ne waza only style in many gyms and we win tournaments based on superior takedowns with just as good ground game.

@Heskeyforpresident

10 жыл бұрын

fungusjunky lol. sure. Maeda, Oda, Kimura, Oshchepkov, Kimura etc all learned from BJJ guys. Every single move that machado executed there is and always has been well documented in Judo. Just so we're on the same page. I'm not saying anybodies copying anybody. Naturally grappling refines and evolves to itself to find the best position and technique for each and every position/situation.

@fungusjunky55

10 жыл бұрын

Heskey forPresident I wad referring to modern judokas, since bjj has gained popularity many judo guys are making there ne waza better again.

@Marcoshary

6 жыл бұрын

Heskey forPresident That's because they were competing in judo rules no?

As I train in BJJ and Judo, I can tell you that the only difference is the coaching emphasis. For you to say the Judo's most important aspect is Tachiwaza you would be wrong. Why then is does shime-waza and kansetsu-waza ensure victory in a Judo match and self-defense if Tachiwaza is the only focus? Tachi-waza ensures the throw to occur for shime or kansetsu to the be applied. Many BJJ guys hate to be thrown, and many Judo guys have misconeptions about groundwork. I compete, I just don't talk.

@OVERCAPITALIZE Ye MMA is ahead atm I like both so want them both to do well I think something big needs to happen soon in boxing tho. Totally agree, wrestling dominates in the states and it's probably the most useful tool in MMA but there's a lot of guys happy to get the takedown and control the opponent and not take too many risks. I think this will change over the years and all the top guys will be very well rounded, it's still a very new sport.

Watch the Olympics and you'll see all the same techniques.

We'll take back every thing except for berimbolo, spider, and rubber. Thanks.

@franciscoreatas11 true shit. i want to learn judo after i get my black belt in bjj. i really admire the skill judokas have with their takedowns... and sweeps apparently as i've recently discovered.

BJJ from Kodokan Judo? Please, give me a break. With just a few exceptions, at the highest levels champion vs champion, BJJ regularly rag dolls Judo on the ground. I could give you a list of the World and Olympic champions who lost to BJJ guys in grappling and MMA competitions. The Kodokan had Ne Waza specialists who were trained outside of the Kodokan become part of the Kodokan. Kano personally did not like the Ne Waza aspects and kept the two camps at a distance from each other. Kano's personal instruction in Jiu jitsu training was from arts that emphasized stand up Jiu jitsu and I doubt he knew any Ne Waza himself. If you want good examples look at the Renzo Gracie vs Ben Spijkers (Olympic Bronze medalist) match or the Antonio Nogueira vs Pavel Nastula (Olympic Gold medalist) match. Pavel didn't even know how to pass a guard while Nogueira passed his 3 times.

@memysurname7521

4 жыл бұрын

Poor Pavel Nastula 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@19thaman79 Helio's black belt and his dans are registered with the Kodokan (even today) because Maeda was part & representing the Kodokan when he was in Brazil. Maeda was sent overseas by Kano to spread Judo. So Helio was first a Kodokan judoka before becoming a BJJ guy. This is a proven fact.

Judo may be growing a bit, but mainly it's because it's cheap as fuck to join a Judo club. Around here there's a place for $40 a month w/no contract & with high level Judokas. BJJ starts at around $100/month but usually it's $140-150/month for 3 classes/wk in a good school & all with 1 YEAR contracts. Obviously your IJF wants flashy throwing contests & little newaza as possible. MMA fighters aren't switching to Judo for this over BJJ. Flashy throws are pretty but risky as fuck in MMA.

Lol I think Bjj is like the kryptonite to judo. You cant throw someone on the ground who wants to be and is comfortable with being on the ground.

judo is 80 procent throws and about 20 submission. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is 80 procent submission and 20 procent throws. i think submission training is the most important part for good defense. that is why BJJ is much supirior to judo or any other system.

bjj did not derive from judo considering jiu jitsu is more about submission, and judo is more about throwing.

@OVERCAPITALIZE I think boxing will always be popular, it's just hit a rough patch. MMA is flavor of the month and I think it will peak soon, just my opinion. When I watch MMA I just don't see the iconic moments in sport happening like they did in boxing.

That's not a fair comparison. BJJ guys do more than jump into guard in comps. Only a few guys do that and it's made clear that it is NOT a street fight move. The guard is., however, useful in a real fight if you're taken down or are knocked down. Judo guys just turtle up and give their backs. In MOST BJJ fights there is a take down which is what leads to the guard.

judo does teach ground fighting, so judo guys should be able to continue if the throw doesn't end the fight. if you watch judo tournaments, especially on the world level, they are fighting pretty hard against getting thrown, not just standing there. plus, you're not going to be justified in using a gun in every situation.

BJJ is from Judo. They just emphasis much more on groundwork. You BJJ practitioners have to be reminded that Maeda, a judo practitioner came and taught the Gracie's Judo, which was also known as Kano JJ at that time. Have some respect... I'm a Judo Practitioner, i love groundwork. Schools these days just teach Throwing because they want their students to quickly get an ippon in competition, but Judo itself is a complete martial art which already teaches most groundwork techniques.

@oseiasgeremias135

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O seu judô perdeu, amigo. Aceita que é melhor ou venha aprender ne waza conosco.

What's the point of having a belt system if anyone can achieve a "black belt". In BJJ it actually takes talent to recieve your belt, not just time.

@Cod4pyro Don't base your comment only on this video. There are plenty of Judo black belts who win BJJ black belts all the time, in MMA and grappling sports. It's not the art, it's the practitioner.

@nitro I'm very sorry for the judo schools in your area.. come to Fargo, we allow just abt everything.. including legs if the guy your workin with is cool with that.