Pat actually proved why it was Doc fault and he didn't even realize it. Who's decision was to play JJ on Harden? Lmao.

@shadow_realm47

5 ай бұрын

Pat going hard for Doc RN when they lose the conference or some Pat gonna be blamed and traded to protect Doc Dame and Giannis. This is the same blame game that they played in Philly for 5 years. Year 1 blame JJ and Jimmy Butler trade them/ let them leave Year 2 low-key blame Embid give Ben Simmons the max extension Year 3 Blame Ben Simmons Year 4 Get Harden call him " not Houston Harden" Protect Embid Year 5 Harden pushes the offence through Embid all year to get him MVP Harden gets thrown under the bus Doc gets shafted.

@xelaander8429

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely, can't wait for the eventual breakup between Pat and the Bucks when they implode ​@@shadow_realm47

@rylan7238

4 ай бұрын

@@shadow_realm47????? Embiid gets called a choker for a reason he gets most the blame

@topnotchtajmahal7216

4 ай бұрын

@@shadow_realm47post the stat line of all those players in those games I didn’t know doc had to miss for them too cut the shit players got more control of what happens then the coach

@96korey

4 ай бұрын

Def proving points

I don’t think JJ’s wrong for feeling that way about Doc. Doc threw that Clippers team under the bus recently when he was commentating, so fair game.

@D00MF

5 ай бұрын

This is the only thing that matters. JJ never had anything negative to say against doc, until the comments about those clippers team. JJ is a hyper competitive guy, I don't blame him for feeling a type of way. Shouts to pay bev but don't do that, if this bucks team don't pan out, given docs track record he won't be taking any of the blame.

@dirtblock1487

5 ай бұрын

Yeah Jamal Crawford didn't like his comments either. It feels like most players from that Clippers team acknowledge that they had made mistakes

@nicksmailer8498

5 ай бұрын

I’m happy to see this comment, thought everyone forgot about this. Pat saying JJ waited till he was media to make comments but doc did the exact same thing if not worse

@fridge1128

5 ай бұрын

@@D00MF Nah fr Docs comments on that team showed exactly what kinda coach he is, he takes zero accountability

@hjkramer404

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. And Pat Bev wants to talk about “loyalty.”

Pat Bev loves moving the goalpost. JJ was spot on. Go through Doc’s history. He’s always thrown players under the bus.

“Loyalty” ain’t an excuse to never hold somebody accountable. JJ told no lies Doc has been making excuses, never blames himself and throwing players under the bus for literally 20 years since the Magic/Pistons 3-1 blown lead

@xxtooshiestyxx8756

5 ай бұрын

Tbf TMac should've never been up 3-1 on that team... Da one gm he had under 20pts the tm didn't even score 70 😭...

@_WeDontKnow_

5 ай бұрын

his iconic saying is literally "it's a make or miss league" it completely takes coaching out the equation lol. he's ALWAYS avoided accountability

@smoothjb2384

5 ай бұрын

Agree the one chip he has he had 4 hof guys in their prime or damn close to their prime. rondo one of the highest IQ players and best passers of a generation. I really believe any coach in the nba at the time wins a title with that team. what has he accomplished if you take away that?

@biggchill8176

5 ай бұрын

No lies

@biggchill8176

5 ай бұрын

@@smoothjb2384zero thanks for being honest

JJ said he's not knocking doc as an actual coach he said it's the accountability and him always making excuses and throwing guys under the bus.

@alaregret1270

5 ай бұрын

Hearing Doc at the All Star saying he’s evaluating all the players and assistants and hearing nothing of his own performance highlights this issue. Not even sure why is he was there, the fuck has he done as a coach recently 😂

@tuff7771

5 ай бұрын

Time stamp?

@freddycalipari4242

5 ай бұрын

@@alaregret1270you nerds speak like you coached. Of course a guy who got a job mere weeks ago is evaluating people he didnt hire for his owm staff

@Jitbo561

5 ай бұрын

​@@freddycalipari4242Doc is TRASH AF point blank

@kingofgrooveness

5 ай бұрын

​​@@freddycalipari4242he was a consultant already. Why he need to evaluate the staff?

finally someone not in his feelings talking about Doc. thank you Richard Jefferson. I like pat bev but can't be using loyalty to argue about coaching accountability, come on pat bev

@biggchill8176

5 ай бұрын

And using Docs mistakes to defend him makes zero sense. Oh he shouldn’t have started you well Pat that was a mistake

@madtonesbr

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. The first person he need to be lecturing about loyalty is DOC, if anything players have been far too kind to him!

No matter what Doc did for JJ, I think he should still be able to criticize him with how he is coaching currently.

@schuylersavage276

5 ай бұрын

Doc didn’t do shit. JJ averged double figures coming off the bench for 3 strsigt years before the clippers. He had just averged 14.1 ppg in his final year beofre the clippers

@shadow_realm47

5 ай бұрын

This man pat Bev will lie

Pats reaction to Rones bars is the best part of having a guest

@michaelturley8222

5 ай бұрын

It's even funnier watching Pat and Richard biting there tongues during Pat just having the dumbest low basketball IQ rants humanely possible. They gotta be nice cause its his pod but you know they both think he's an absolute moron, Richard was nice about showing how everything pat said was dumb as hell, if he was on First Take he would've made Pat a laughing stock for how low his basketball IQ is. Dude's a absolute idiot.

What a great guest to bring on, the chemistry between Pat and Rich was fantastic.

@therodtriptv

5 ай бұрын

JRich has great chemistry with everyone. Such a versatile co-host/guest.

“Before he was him, and after I was me, I did okay” is an insane line. I love it. TD was a beast and one of the goats

Pat saying “I was the first one to tell Doc ‘nah this shit ain’t gone work we need to switch it up” like Doc didn’t have KG and Cp3.. then add that they literally said the clippers use to argue in the locker room …

Pat doesn’t realize that he helping JJ’s point. The fact that you doesn’t switch on game to game basis…he said Doc ride with his guns and with people who “shouldn’t start” he allows them start…that’s not a good coach who isn’t flexible and doesn’t adjust.

Ittttsss Richard “Refferson“😂 great pod guys

Docs loyalty to Montrezl Harrell also lost them the 3-1 lead to Denver. Jokic had Trezz on an open fire grill with a chef apron on last 3 games

@TheRulersBack18

5 ай бұрын

doc's loyalty to harrell had nothing to do with pg hitting the side of the backboard and kawhi being unable to defend murray or get to the free throw line

Man I loved this episode bro I was locked in!! Great stuff!

richard blaming giannis for not try harding in the allstar game when he is historically a try hard, while luka and jokic have never taken it seriously

Promoting McDonalds is like warshiping the devil....😢 All the best from austria

@upfulsoul826

5 ай бұрын

It's better than a betting app lol.

@Jerry-lw6uf

5 ай бұрын

Austrians are gay

"Arguing and acting like he don't know what's going on" - That is EXACTLY what Gil does on his pod. It's maniacal. The man will sit calmly and aloof in the midst of chaos.

bev still glazing 50 after 50 couldn’t fight for him to no be traded is CRAZYYYY 🤣

I like pat but his JJ take is way off. Docs resume speaks for itself- tons of loaded teams and tons of blown leads. All JJ was saying is it’s always the same with him and people just let it slide. People also forgetting Doc saying he knew the clippers were gonna lose/didn’t have faith in them against the rockets recently. What kind of coach admits that? Of course JJ is gonna feel some type of way

@FreakyyBoyDre

5 ай бұрын

True, Doc definitely could’ve used better words but also JJ didn’t play well in a lot of close out games

@nicksmailer8498

5 ай бұрын

@@FreakyyBoyDreyeah no excuse for bad shooting that was his job, but on defense Houston harden was damn near impossible to guard 😂

I think this is more about Bevs loyalty to Doc, than JJs "disloyalty" to Doc. Don't forget, Bev got his bag from Doc and the Clips, that was life changing.

Great episode. Thanks for sharing. Keep it coming Pat and the rest of the pod team🫡

Great timing on getting this episode out 😂 love this pod man

@michaelturley8222

5 ай бұрын

Pat does what every person that's in their feelings does. When you can't argue the point, you attack the character, ad hominem. His boy - Doc - got fairly criticized and Pat had no rebuttal so he tried to attack JJ the make the message look weak because it came from the wrong messenger. Female move first of all, cause Pat's a fake tough guy with mostly feminine characteristics, and even worse incorrect. But regardless, all done to hide from the fact Doc is a man that can't ever take accountability. If you've watched his press conferences over the years its always excuses and sales work about why he failed, over and over. The only time he succeeded was when his team was so stacked KG could've coached the team and won.

That clippers team will be the most debated team ever

@_750ZO

5 ай бұрын

Nah… nobody thinks about them like that only coming up now because Doc just got the job.

@michaelturley8222

5 ай бұрын

It's apparent how low Bev's basketball IQ is that he thinks it made more sense to start Jamal Crawford, someone needing the ball in his hands alongside CP and Blake, instead of JJ, a guy who could play without the ball and space the floor. It's hilarious dudes spend their whole life playing a game and don't even have a basic understanding of how lineups work together. Pat's gotta be slow as humanely possible not to not get something that basic.

@Justin683

5 ай бұрын

That clipper team was never gonna beat the thunder, spurs or the warriors.

@michaelturley8222

4 ай бұрын

They almost did, Clippers had one of the biggest crumblings I've ever seen, you just have a goldfish memory, weren't watching the games, or hate them. @@Justin683

This was well done 💎🥇

I see Shaqs host tryna do what you do with these fire intros Rone…..you the one! We love Pat Bev and RJ 😂

“Should doc be responsible for playing you” yes it’s the coach responsibility to adjust lol

I'm enjoying the background about the referees! Now certain things make sense.

Pat you are so wrong for saying JJ should’ve come off the bench on that clippers team 😂 he was a top 5 shooter in the entire league. Matt was not him. And cp3 was the best point in the league at the time

@DunBeezy23

5 ай бұрын

What bout Crawford?

@michaelf6205

5 ай бұрын

Yea Pat is moving the goal posts now like JJ was talking about him personally

@Michael-vw4cg

5 ай бұрын

@@DunBeezy23 Jamal was not a better catch and shoot guy than JJ, every other aspect of basketball he dominates him in but not that. Jamal needed the ball in his hands and was most effective that way, hard to keep the ball in your hands with CP3, Blake and DJ on the starting 5

@FBaned

5 ай бұрын

Plus Matt was a SF/PF not a SG Pat talking out his ass

@lamarkpowells

5 ай бұрын

Doesn’t matter if your getting cooked on D

Yaw got a great podcast keep up the great content 👍

This specific episode is insanely good.

Great podcast! Love the work you guys put in.

Rones intro’s are top notch

I think JJ is looking at since the Clippers, Doc has had great jobs and has not been held accountable for their issues. Doc went out of his way to put Harden under the bus, now Harden and the Clippers are balling. Maybe it's because Lue is a better coach.

@TheRulersBack18

5 ай бұрын

the funny thing with this conversation is doc's held accountable more than pretty much any coach who has won a championship. sixers failed under brown, failed under doc, and if they fail under nurse, is that still on doc? the clippers have looked good in multiple regular seasons, there's nothing to say about how them 'balling' until they meet expectations in the playoffs. i don't think doc is the best coach in the league or anything, but blaming doc for harden's routine playoff choke jobs is weird

1:23:46 the guy in the middle face when more one arrives 😂😂😂😂

One of the best episodes yet. So insightful. GG pat

Great episode.

Pat! Love your podcast! Keep doing your thing. Show is always fire! 🔥. Rone thanks for always taking the fan perspective in your questions and position

bro this pod was awesome. i love richard, started watching for him, stayed for the energy of pat and rone. real gold right here♛

great pod

nice pod

I’ve been watching this pod for months and I’m JUST now realizing this the same Rone that battle raps 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣 my mind is blown

36:45 “Pat… Chris Paul ain’t got yo number” 😂😂😂😂😂

Rone said "Chow indeed!" Lmao

Got damn. I'm ordering McDonald's off of that intro

All I hear is that Pat does not want to see any issues with Doc, because he is his guy. He would bash any other coach, but not the guy who saved his career. He is blindly loyal.

@danielsgrunte5769

5 ай бұрын

And losing to G-league players, 10 day contract guys is awful no matter when! If you are supposed to be "title contenswrs" then you should just smash that kind of team - before all star game, after or even when waking up in the middle of the night..

Pat Bev have having a yorkie is some very nice lore

“You play guys and start guys that shouldn’t even be starting!” 😂😂😂 lmao bro Pat that is not a good thing for coaches to do lmfao

Came from the PMT episode. Get Pat bev to the damn Pacers man!

S/o Rone for using “BOMBASTIC” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is that your bad ass dog😂

Loved the podcast! Always been a fan of RJ so really enjoyed this one. As far as the ASG & lack of caring/defense, I recall when Giannis was actually made fun of for playing too hard when he first made AS. Dunk contest is the saddest part to me cuz years back it was the one thing you didn’t want to miss that weekend.

JJ and Pat need to have joint episode fr that would be awesome

Needa turn the volume up just a lil bit on them mics

Banger of a episode

"That's not a foul he's cooking you!" I'd die if I heard a ref get that off right now that's hilarious

Love RJs thoughts on reffing. great insights

That team draft really opened my eyes to the amount all time greats Jefferson played with. Blessed career

Just rocked a McMuffin while watching the pod. Life imitates art

@aron.gortman

5 ай бұрын

Whats your BSL?

Love how outspoken RJ is, honestly didn’t expect it. But always respectful, creative, elaborating and witty too. Dude needs to be a regular guest!

I think what Pat and Austin Rivers don't understand is that yes Doc is held responsible but the teams and organizations but he himself never takes responsibility. For someone that is a player personnel coach doesn't have the best track record with outside of Boston. He has always been given Championship teams but has he even made a Conference Championship since Boston? With the Lob City Clippers he said that they weren't a championship caliber team upon hindsight, With the Kawhi and PG clippers that were supposed to THE team in LA lost a 3-1 lead, with the sixers they were supposed to be championship ready roster and lost to the hawks and blamed Ben Simmons, then lost with the Celtics and blamed Harden... Now he has the Bucks with Championship aspirations and he's 3-7 and says he wanted to wait until after the all star break cause they had a tough road trip...

@freddycalipari4242

5 ай бұрын

Espn fried y’all brains

@KaranPatel-gv2uq

5 ай бұрын

@@freddycalipari4242 I mean are you impressed with his coaching outcomes lol? Is he faultless in all of this? Even his Boston Championship he went to game 7 every series except the lakers series.🤷‍♂

Phenomenal content

How are you gonna say Doc shouldn't have played JJ when they lost while up 3-1 on the Rockets, but then say he didn't play much in the series.

Watching this wearing my new Pat Bev Bucks 21 jersey. Love The Pod!

Pat girl couldnt even do wat he asked her😭😭

Intro was 🔥🔥🔥

I like the fact that we have players perspective and not just the media guys..I can listen to the do'ers all day everyday..I like them all..JJ included

Dame Time on the pod when? Fans would love to see it!

35:21 yoo PAAAAUSE 😂😂😂😂

My idea for all star game would be, whichever conference wins gets an extra ball or something for the lottery. I think maybe that the front office would push their players to try to win for their teams to get a better chance at the lottery. Yeah the players may still not want to go all out, but if they do their team would get a chance to get a good pick. Just an idea might be dumb but idk what else would work for the players to play harder.

Love it when Pat talks hoops,especially with other ball players

Cant believe RJ and K mart was boxing in the locker room lol

locked in !!

loyalty got Pat's judgment clouded like Doc aint a fuck ass coach

Only a hooping and battle rap fan would get the double entendre of that checking pockets bar into the jersey reference. Shout out shotgun suge.

Pat love crossing dat leg don’t he lol 😂

The thing with JJ is that he only had a problem after Doc said he didn't think the Clippers team could actually win a championship because of chemistry & leadership issues. He & Jamal Crawford have framed Doc a certain way since Doc made that comment. Never had that energy until then.

@Kharl19

5 ай бұрын

Yeah Doc basically said that a team he coached never had any chance of winning when he was the one fucking coaching them telling them they can win

@shadow_realm47

5 ай бұрын

Doc did that only after blowing 3-1 leads thing became a meme and he threw out people from 10-20 years ago under the bus to shift the blame. He flat out said that those Orlando or clippers team stood no chance AFTER he was getting called out in the media.

“He could’ve given me the tech but”…. Well according to your logic they should’ve. And they aren’t giving the same treatment to every player which is exactly the issue at hand. Contradicting themselves with this one

This is why players are gonna destroy traditional sports media. This is the new sports media. W episode

What shoes does bro in the middle have on? Ik they under armour just from the soles and eyelet design

Ref telling you that you are getting cooked 😭😭😭 haha

dope guest, used to listen to Richard's road trippin podcast like 7 years ago way before podcasts were even cool

Thank you RJ for clarifying the referee education. Never knew there was so much to it! Also Pat, don’t hate on JJ’s criticism if he had a different experience with him.

The intro by rone 🔥

That Net profit bar is straight 🔥

Players be upset when they don’t get chosen to be in the Allstar game, but they don’t even play serious when they are chosen lol

So just like Austin Rivers you didn't debate the actual point made by JJ Reddick, you went for Ad Hominem argument. Attacking JJ instead of what he said.

just imagine podcast between 2 players playing with 70% of the teams in the nda 😂😂😂

I love RJ. What a great pod this is

Not saying Vince earlier is blasphemy

Rone be gassing Mickey D's so crazy 😂

Yo we need rone to lead this podcast more yo. He’s a wiz

He trying to sell McDonald's like Gillie b trying to sell that nasty ass vodka😂

Best POD out there hands down

ha when Richard taking the selfie - Rone just along for the ride and i love his energy

Ace wanted to be a part of the Podcast too. 🐶🐕☺🏀

Rj went harder on this show than his own shows 😳. Wow great episode for sure pleasant surprise to here rj really breaking it down and keeping it real with Pat.

Mannn RJ was part of something special here in Cle 2015-17. Will never forget the 2 weeks from game 1 watch parties in 2016 till the parade after we won it!! Best times of my life as I was about to be a senior in high school✊🏼✊🏼

Nahhh nahhh @35:24 R.J is trippin 😂😂😂 biggest pause of all time 😆😆

Rone looking like he had too many happy meals lately