This is when Alicent realized the big mistake she made, people from this universe need to stop named their kids the same name

@kuromaxima8745

18 күн бұрын

THATS WHAT I SAID WHEN WATCHING THIS EPISODE!!

@modest_spice6083

18 күн бұрын

That's why we named the kids after the things we love. Say hello to our boy Dragon Age Origins and our girl Mad Max: Fury Road.

@jacksonperez5615

18 күн бұрын

This was irrelevant, Otto and gang were plotting anyways.

@Darkness-ie2yl

18 күн бұрын

it was at this moment she realized... she uffed up

@kuromaxima8745

18 күн бұрын

@@jacksonperez5615 well yeah, but still

“It's hard to put a leash on a dog once you've put a crown on its head.” - Tyrion

@JohnnyBGoode-jm4qp

15 күн бұрын

Indeed. KING AEGON II TARGARYEN：“My father is dead.” SER OTTO HIGHTOWER：“He is. And we are the poorer for it. He was right about you.” KING AEGON II TARGARYEN：“He made me king.” _Ser_ _Otto_ _chuckles_ _derisively_ _as_ _Aegon_ _the_ _Elder_ _looks_ _on_ _in_ _fury_ SER OTTO HIGHTOWER：“Is that what you THINK?” (❝Rhaenyra The Cruel❞ 51:29-52:08)

@user-rm9pz2qf2s

14 күн бұрын

Yes rhenera IS the dog

@Papaty25

10 күн бұрын

Joffrey was a coward. King Aegon II doesn't mind dying in a battle.

@user-rm9pz2qf2s

10 күн бұрын

@@Papaty25 king aegon the second IS very concerned about his people and wanted to help them . That was very clear in the first episode of s2 . Joffrey Cares only about himself and he didnt Care about the people AT all .

@Papaty25

10 күн бұрын

@@user-rm9pz2qf2s That's what I said bro. In the books, Aegon is brave and wants to defend his family at the cost of his life.

Its tragic. There's literally nothing that can be done now. Alicent wasn't dismissing Rhaenyra, she simply stated a fact, she can't do anything, she has no power or voice here anymore. I feel for both ladies. Now there can only be war and losses over nothing. A story.

@Crazy-Description

18 күн бұрын

Yup. Aegon will never give up the throne and Rhaenrya risked her life to plead with her former friend for peace to prevent a war and thousands of deaths. But it's too late. 😢

@prettycyber8332

17 күн бұрын

She did both

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

17 күн бұрын

The war would have started anyway, Alicent didn't have voice to begin with, she was just Otto's pawn. Otto started all this when he made her marry Viserys and set her against Rhaenyra

@lucasbelmonte2832

17 күн бұрын

The war didn’t start over nothing it started because it f the murder of two children

@ProperlyGaming

16 күн бұрын

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849she had some power that short time after Viserys death. She could have had that whole council imprisoned for their treacherous planning on the usurping of the throne that she was made unaware of. At that time the kingsguard was still hers to command and they would have lostened had she told them to throw them all in the dungeon.

3:03 it was in this moment that Alicent’s entire point of view came smashing down and her son was never meant to be King

@masterplokoon8803

18 күн бұрын

It's dumb that they made that her point of view in the first place rather than giving her actual motivations to want to put Aegon on the throne. They replaced them with some misunderstanding for no good reason.

@turnip9367

18 күн бұрын

Nope. You must have watched the first season with your eyes and ears covered because it's explicitly mentioned several times that the Greens, namely Otto, were always planning to seat Aegon on the throne because Viserys was going against historical precedent when he named his daughter over his eldest son. Misconstruing Viserys' last words was just an excuse Alicent used to justify her role in the scheme on morally righteous grounds.

@JUANORYES

17 күн бұрын

@@turnip9367 Yes. but the writers kind of forgot about Season 1

@jonr4164

17 күн бұрын

@@turnip9367 this! there has never been a female ruler but IRL politics got in the way. Aegon was planned regardless. A lot of money and time wasted misleading ppl with this sidequest when that money could have been spent on missing plotlines/chars/other dragons.

@MeleysTessarion

17 күн бұрын

@@JUANORYESthe writers or just simply the viewers? Cause Rhaenyra have literally called out Alicent on being self-righteous and a liar in scenes before. It’s the audience who are literally being manipulated by the greens themselves because Alicent is literally a pos who just what’s her son to be king but she’s too religious to admit she permitted sacrilege.

"he was weary and hard to understand but I'm sure he meant whatever gibberish he said"

@manthe3711

17 күн бұрын

"For 20 years he ferociously defended Rhaenyra's claim but he changed his mind in the last 5 minutes while losing his mind in agonizing pain."

@adaezez8378

16 күн бұрын

lmao exactly this!

@JSQUAD4

16 күн бұрын

Exactly! Ali-quarter on the slow bus

@robynsrecs2183

4 күн бұрын

I think deep down Alicent knew that was not what he meant just like how her specific question to Rhaenyra was did Daemon dishonour you? She knows in both cases what the truth is [in the latter case she overlooks the loophole] but her worst instincts and own desires take over.

This is simultaneously the funniest and most tragic thing.

@SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi

11 күн бұрын

The acting is brilliant from these two. Felt like old times. The emotions, the delivery. Perfect.

When i Saw rhaenyra in that outfit the first word that comes to my mind is "shame"

@Filippo6264

17 күн бұрын

Mine Is: but she Is even hottier! She'll attract all men's attenction!

@khanyisa7373

17 күн бұрын

Same! “Confess “ “Confess” “Confess “ 😂😂😂😂

@mohdikram1236

17 күн бұрын

Shame..... Shame.... Shame....

@bgos4727

17 күн бұрын

The handmaid's tale

@amnamirza9090

17 күн бұрын

Eesaa 😊zx​@@bgos4727

I like how Rhaenyra talks to Alicent asking her as a friend and not as an enemy to correct her mistake, I also like how Alicent warns her to leave and not be discovered since Alicent could talk about Rhaenyra's presence at any time, especially after the conversation in which Rhaenyra and only she knows about Alicent's mistake

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

17 күн бұрын

I like how you give us recap of the scene we all saw and heard. I also like how you think Alicent's "mistake" really meant anything... War would have started anyway

@cherryfreckle

15 күн бұрын

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849bruh they're just saying what they like about the scene.. why you gotta be rude for

@LenoraBrown-fx8il

6 күн бұрын

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Don't be rude

Emma and Olivia have such natural and intense chemistry I honestly don't blame the writers for finding ways for them to share scenes every now and then. It felt ages since they last shared scene so this is definitely well earned.

@manwithballsonarm6775

16 күн бұрын

I think your just obsessed with these actors man listen to how you fawn over them

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

@@manwithballsonarm6775and ? ☠️

@Groovybiha

15 күн бұрын

Probably because they’re both really good friends outside of the show. In truth, emma only has good chemistry when they are with olivia.

@wingshadow170

13 күн бұрын

@@Groovybiha I do think that this cast have good chemistry with one another. Emma and Matt, Olivia and Rhys are also some great duos.

@EmTheFairy_

5 күн бұрын

@@manwithballsonarm6775At least OP doesn’t have balls on their arm

I love the scene when alicent realized she f*** up. And. She finally understood it was the story. And that her son was never post to be king..

this whole meeting i was yelling "ASK HER WHAT HE SAID"

@mirzaammar3815

16 күн бұрын

So true. Missing the obvious conversation. Just to spice things up.

Ramin's score at the end was simply sublime

@ROYAL_REBEL

18 күн бұрын

Yup, when the girl sang her highest note, that was when Rhaenyra looked up and thought to herself "It's war, dragons and all"

@MeleysTessarion

17 күн бұрын

@@ROYAL_REBELespecially when Rhaneyra said “a terrible war is looming” I just feel the upcoming massacre 💔

@keanancupido

17 күн бұрын

Agreed!!!! It really set the tone for the fighting that's going to follow this episode!!

@lauryn6059

17 күн бұрын

Oh my god right it made the air stand up on my arms

@ROYAL_REBEL

17 күн бұрын

@@MeleysTessarion Yes, "A terrible war is looming, and even victory may be so bloody as to be counted a loss." The fear in her voice while pleading with Alicent to stop the war, knowing well it would claim thousands of lives, including theirs. HBO shouldn't have cut out the last part; the music and Rhaenyra's expression sent chills down my spine.

These two are really the heart of the show. When they come together, it's so powerful. This scene was the best in the series so far. Incredible acting

@lauryn6059

17 күн бұрын

YES. From the beginning scene of season 1 episode 1 it was established that this show, its plot, is ultimately centered around these two women and their relationship.

I just love how older Alicent and Rhaenyra are in the exact same positions they were when they prayed there as younger children in episode 2, season 1. Gotta love Rhaenyra’s reaction when she realized Viserys was referring to Aegon the Conqueror and not Aegon her brother. Alicent had to know Rhaenyra would have made a much better ruler. All of this occurred through Alicent’s mistake, but also Otto’s manipulations and planning behind the scenes

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

17 күн бұрын

Alicent mishearing Viserys didn't contribute to anything as Otto paved the way for this decades ago. They would have STILL put Aegon on the throne. Otto made Alicent marry Viserys, Otto then made her think that her children absolutely have to sit the throne, otto didn't even believe what Alicent said and was already plotting to usurp the throne. That mishearing bit was only added for dramatic effect but the war was already on the way. So not "also Otto's manipulations" but mainly because of Otto's manipulations, dear

That tear drop when Rhaenyra realised that maybe she really has lost her legitimate claim, as her father took Aegon's name in his dying moments. 🥲🥲🥲

Emma has become one of my favourite actors in the entire franchise and in such a short time span too. Incredible talent that only seems to be getting better with each episode.

@30251

17 күн бұрын

this was an acting masterclass, the facial expressions alone were sooo good.

@izilovesstarmie

7 күн бұрын

@@30251’’ He changed his mind, Rhanyra >_______> He changed his mind :|||| >_> ‘’

Imagine Otto's reaction to this. He would get a stroke seeing Alicent letting her go. He was mocking Aegon's plan, because he wasn't familiar with Rhaenyra's game.

@amorojaz27

18 күн бұрын

I hope he does find out about this. I hope Daemon does too, they'd both have strokes.

This scene was a roller coaster of truth. They both trust each other's words despite their differences, but in the end, it doesn't matter that they cleared things up. There is no way Alicent would have known about the prophecy to assume that the Aegon Viserys was referring to was the Conqueror, and at this point, it's actually too late, although I don't think Rhaenyra realized until this specific breaking point.

That moment Rhaenyra fully realized Alicent was slow

@AWSVids

18 күн бұрын

To be fair, she had no other context for what Viserys was talking about. It's reasonable that she believed what she did.

@moustiboy

17 күн бұрын

She never thought that, she probably still respects her immensly and has pity for her

@RudeAndObscene

17 күн бұрын

​@@AWSVids Surely she would know better. She even said so herself, Viserys rambled and was hard to understand

@judigemini178

17 күн бұрын

She's "slow" for never being told this info & viserys never telling anyone other than his spoiled favorite child about the prophecy???...ok 🤦‍♀️

@Jamile-jf9mt

16 күн бұрын

Only the heir is suppose to know that story. That proved everything at that moment. That she was indeed heir if he ever changed his mind he would've told alicient or aegon about the story but he didn't... Remember when aliceint attacked rhaenrya?, that knife and the symbols on it ??? ​@@judigemini178

Emma D'Arcy is incredible in this scene and in the entire series. What an actress, haven't been so mesmerised by a new acting talent for a long time.

@izilovesstarmie

7 күн бұрын

Not an actress as they are trans/ non-binary, but yes - extremely talented person :)

While this might be really unrealistic and something out of fanfiction, I think it's needed for continuity. So Alicent knows she made a mistake with naming Aegon as king and having to live with it. But on the other hand, Alicent never revealing what Viserys said to Rhaenyra and all of it being a misunderstanding would've been further tragic too.

@mvdum29

17 күн бұрын

I mean, because Fire and Blood is a fairly biased retelling of the Dance, it leaves a lot of room for interpretation on the showrunners' part. There have been some eh moments but I liked this because it really kept that fictional scenario aspect alive for me. And let's be honest, we've all been looking for excuses to see Rhaenyra and Alicent on screen again because their actors have insane chemistry.

@voluntarism335

17 күн бұрын

It's not unrealistic, Kings landing is dependent on trade so they're not going to cut everyone off from kings landing people still enter and leave kings landing

@Lior621

10 күн бұрын

@@mvdum29 I'm just happy I got to see Rhaenyra in hijab. I dont know why it's so entertaining to me 😂😍

Such a pity they cut the best bits when the music started at the end. The music track with this haunting, yearning-like woman voice combined with the upper shot of the altar and then close up on Rhaenyra face were so beautiful, you could feel the sense of now inevitable tragedy.

If only Aegon was named Garry or Steve..... All of this woulda been avoided. King Gazza or King Stevo has a nice ring to it though

@SapphireCrusader1988

7 күн бұрын

Indeed. Gazza and Stevo are pretty catchy.

@matthewriffel188

Күн бұрын

King Stev-o of the Andals and First Men, first of his name-o

Soo Epi. 1 had Daemon sneaking into Kingslanding Episode 2 had Arryk sneaking into Dragon stone Episode 3 had Rhaenyra sneaking into Kingslanding...Who’s sneaking into where in episode 4?

@marcelofa89

16 күн бұрын

and Daemon sneaking into Harrenhal

@cnmcnm5853

16 күн бұрын

@@marcelofa89 😅

@cheffdonty

15 күн бұрын

Next episode is more about who is sneaking up on who

@hootemanny1165

15 күн бұрын

and Ser Cristan sneaking into Alicent

@justin219

15 күн бұрын

@@hootemanny1165 into her groves?

I do not envy the position the writers found themselves in, because clearly narratively they wanted and needed this scene to happen (and its a great scene and accomplishes a lot), but to achieve it they somehow need to place these 2 characters in a scene together, which is almost impossible to do. I personally cant think of a way to do it. They picked this approach of Rhaenyra sneaking into KL but its a clunky solution, any solution would be clunky and contrived here. The risk rhaenyra takes here is just weirdly too high for the leader of an opposing side and breaks believability a bit. Any other character sneaking into KL works but not rhaenyra. Still, the scene itself is great and clears up a lot for both sides narratively before the start of a full on war, i just wish there was a better way to get to it.

@ghostofdurruti

18 күн бұрын

@@ergohash2517 to be fair this isn't the first time Rhaenyra has done something incredibly reckless like this--remember when she dared Daemon to kill her if he really cared more about the throne than her in ep 2 of last season? Still, she was much younger then, and she seems to have *mostly* grown out of that sort of recklessness... but maybe her bond with Alicent brings it out of her.

@user-ti5cw1ug6l

18 күн бұрын

Narratively it would've been better later when more damage had been done and when Rhaenyra officially comes to the city.

@marshalllee7379

17 күн бұрын

@@ghostofdurruti True. Plus, Rhaenyra said it so herself that it must be her who should talk to Alicent, not anyone else, to be as convincing as possible.

@badyoutuber1986

17 күн бұрын

Narratively they did not need this scene to happen, remember the line from Rheanys about" forgetting the reason the war started in the first place " forgetting about the misinterpretation of veserys word's would have been a perfect pay off to that.

@Nickname-ef9tv

16 күн бұрын

On the other side it fits to a Targaryan better than most other aristocrats in fiction, they always had a potential for recklessness.

i kinda like that Rhaenyra now knows that Alicent misinterpreted things. but i prefer Alicent not knowing she made a mistake. lol. i guess we have to sacrifice one story or another.

@BANHMIZON

14 күн бұрын

Alicent should have known better than to take to heart the words of a man seconds away from passing.

This is so heartbreaking for Rhaenyra, all because she dared to be Queen. The way she started crying thinking her father really chose her younger brother over her. If I was Rhaenys I’d be proud of Rhaenyra still not backing down, fighting for a claim they either had right to or deserved far more than the alternative men chosen.

The problem was Rhaenyra should have never left court she allowed the green faction to have complete influence in the Capitol when she should have lobbied to be named hand of the king to her father.

@miaallen6161

9 күн бұрын

yes and no, i agree that she should have made more allies and tried harder to have more political influence over the other lords and ladies instead of just relying on viserys’ naming her heir.. which in her defense works if she’s male but even then makes her rule more tumultuous and creates more enemies that will want to undermine or usurp (because mysaria and daemon are just speaking simple truth when they say whether even the people know it or not, they give the royals power and if a ruler is hated enough they can and probably will be replaced) but i blame viserys for her political incompetence as well. if he was going to name her he should have at least done more to see to it that she was educated in politics and war.. you know instead of making her royal cupbearer. cause if she was male none of that “don’t interrupt us” bs would’ve went down that way. they still wouldn’t have taken her as serious as the king but she would have had more respect. but then, viserys was rather politically incompetent himself so there’s that. she should have learned from someone though, like lyonel or even otto if he was going to stick around, but because otto is otto he still would have at least tried the coup so she needed to go off on her own and make strong allie’s. daemons help wouldn’t have hurt either because he did help to being allie’s to viserys side during the succession dispute. this way she has loyalists and some level of an army so the coup is harder. but if she doesn’t do this staying in KL would have been more dangerous which is how and why it plays out the way it does in the show. poor rhaenyra was very naive. with her being a woman she was always going to have to fight twice as hard to prove herself but instead bought into viserys’ nonsense that the lords must just obey them. like yes, but you have to incentivize and enforce that. of which they did basically neither. one of the worst things viserys did was marry her to laenor. he should have married laena and we’d rhaenyra to a lannister. or even a hightower. or even daemon. just someone that makes her claim stronger not just in wealth and name but actual power and allegiance.

Alicent misinterpreting Viserys didn't contribute to anything. Otto and council already planned to sit Aegon on the throne, the plan was already set in motion. In fact, it all started when Otto made her marry Viserys and when he brainwashed her into thinking her children are "owed" the throne. Otto didn't even believe thay Viserys had said this, we could see it in previous episode. So it didn't really matter, Alicent was also just a pawn. Both misinterpretation and this scene were added purely for dramatic effect and if you think of it don't really make sense, besides showing their great acting.

@badyoutuber1986

17 күн бұрын

Allicent is a lot of things but brained washed is not one of them.

@PeachyIsolation

10 күн бұрын

what? the whole reason for Rhaenyra meeting with Alicent was to know if war was the only option. This scene is Rhaenyra's attempt at suing for peace. but she realizes she is truly meant to be heir. it is her who Viserys believes will do her duty to Aegon the Conqueror's Dream. DUH!

@badyoutuber1986

10 күн бұрын

@@PeachyIsolation The theft of her throne and the murder of lucerys should have been enough for any realistic portail of a mother and a entitled princess.

This is why we require written or wills with evidence and witnesses now

I love Alicent's reaction, her whole world collapsed as she realized her mistake.

I think some people are complaining about this scene because it's proof that Daemon could have gotten to Aemond himself, and didn't have to hide behind those idiots. In other words, it's proof that the "Great Wonder and Terror of his time" is a total phony.

@Merione

18 күн бұрын

I don't think Daemon truly wanted Aemond (or anyone else) dead. He's impatient and belligerant, he felt left out by his brother Viserys, and so he craves for an opportunity to prove his worth in battle. He was just looking for a way to kickstart the war, and took Rhaenyra's words ("I want Aemond Targaryen") as the perfect excuse to do it. The outcome of Blood and Cheese didn't really matter to him: sure, if they were able to kill Aemond, it would have been great for the blacks, and the fact that they managed to kill the Jaeherys caused enough trouble to accelerate the events, but even if they were caught before they could have killed anyone, they would have been questioned and his plan would have been discovered. The fact alone that two assassins were able to infiltrate the Red Keep and threaten the lives of the royal family would have been enough to cause a reaction. That's why he sent them instead of going himself: he wanted them to be caught. The fact that they actually managed to kill Jaeherys was just the cherry on top that truly made the war inevitable, and that's all that he wanted.

@amorojaz27

18 күн бұрын

@@Merione Still helps fit my head canon that he's a fraud.

What remarkable acting! Deft and subtle, and absolutely tragic.

Loved this scene and the music.

Man the acting, we need more shows at this level

I love them both so much,can we put aside the team stuff and agree that they are the heart of the show?

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

yeah they clearly are. People don't want to admit it but the show is somehow about them too..they have such a deap, complex and tragic relationship..and the actresses have incredible chemistry

I cherish these moments!!!! plz put these two often coz damnnnnnn their chemistry is chemistrying SOOOOOO HARD!

people say this scene was pointless but it's really not. rhaenyra cares more about the prophecy and her father's belief that a targaryen should sit the throne during the long night, more than people think. she loved her father and wanted to honor his wish when he chose her to bear it. but the thought of him changing his mind last minute is something she could've come to terms to, and frankly i think she could've gave up her claim if it weren't for this scene. she wanted peace before war. she got her clarity from this scene. now she knows that her father did not indeed change his mind so she'll be willing to sacrifice to get her her line back on her rightful throne. it's her purpose to fulfill it in the name of her father.

@enlighten92

17 күн бұрын

She could have come to the realisation even without this scene.

@necta1520

17 күн бұрын

@@enlighten92 how, if she was not present when her father died? he wasn't in the room when he "changed his mind". only in this scene she learned his exact final words, realizing alicent misinterpreted.

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

yeahh and this to me makes it even more tragic. Cause Rhaenyra would have actually made a good ruler. The way she cares more about people than power, the way looks for other solutions than a war who could severely damage her family and kill thousands of people when she could have already gone mad..

I love how the changes in Rhaenyra's mood is the opposite of what happens to Theon in Game of Thrones. In GoT, Ramsay lets Ramsay escape the Dreadfort, giving him hope, and then this hope is quickly transformed into hopelessness and despair when he is lured back to the Dreadfort. Here, in this scene of HotD, it is the opposite: Rhaenyra is fully convinced that Viserys meant for her to be his successor. But this belief is shattered when Alicent, on the other hand, is fully convinced that Viserys changed his mind at the last moment. You can see Rhaenyra shedding tears when Alicent tells her this; some part of her believes what Alicent just told her. But her convictions are then restored and further strengthened when she realizes Alicent misunderstood what Viserys said. So the parallells between Theon and Rhaenyra are: Theon: Despair --> Hope --> Strengthened Despair Rhaenyra: Hope --> Despair --> Strengthened Hope

Emma is such a great actor fr.

Asking to stop the war now is like trying to stop boulder rolling down a hill. There’s just no way it’s too late.

2:27 This scene makes me very emotional. Even in his last moment, Viserys talks about his daughter. He said she would be Aegon.

Does anyone know what the music at the end is called?

LA ACTUACIÓN y Ramin con ese pedazo de soundtrack, definitivamente esta serie se ha vulto una Joya 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

This is why I loved this show as it can have a rich scene like this between two friends unable to look past the mistake mades. Played beautifully by two actors who embodies these characters to perfection.

Viserys really should’ve written it down and made a public proclamation to the lords and the people that rhaenyra was his uncontested heir

@amorojaz27

17 күн бұрын

@@torakunoichi if he was that bright, he would have sent Daemon to the Wall.

@torakunoichi

16 күн бұрын

@@amorojaz27 he wouldn’t have gone and anyone who tried to touch him would die, he MIGHT go if Viserys had asked but I doubt it

@amorojaz27

16 күн бұрын

@@torakunoichi but still, if Viserys had only had the guts to meaningfully punish him, Daemon would be less of a hindrance for the people around him.

I can feel the music in this show! Like on the inside!

“a terrible war is looming, and even victory could be so bloody as to be counted a loss” is SUCH a raw line, especially knowing how all this ends

This is the dumbest scene in the show. After Rhaenyra lost her son and she was almost killed, she goes to the enemies land unprotected in disguise to talk. Alicent also doesn't call guards after that to capture an important prisoner and enemy.

@LeonardLuzon

16 күн бұрын

Uhm, she knows that war will be inevitable and bloody and that'll cause the plot to end the season sooner than what it was planned on the series.

@Nicky-zm5pe

12 күн бұрын

Hush, The Queens are speaking.

This show is phenomenal 👏

The moment Alicent realised she's potentially started a civil war because of a bedtime story....

@Groovybiha

15 күн бұрын

Except the war would’ve happened regardless since the council planned this for years…

@user-rm9pz2qf2s

14 күн бұрын

Otto planed this for Years . And It would have happened anyways. Because the seven kingdom would never accept a woman to lead them . King aegon IS the first born son and therefore the rightful heir

I may have to rewatch the episode but even if Alicent wasn’t around for the confusion with Viserys, what difference would it have made? Her father and the rest of the council where already plotting to put Aegon on the throne and again she’s a women and all. Did she really have any power back then that could’ve made a difference? Can someone explain to me if alicent not getting confused really would’ve made a difference in the end. This just seems to drive the tragedy between Rhaenyra and Alicent relationship

@vilhelmstenbro5289

18 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing… Who Alicent thinks should be on the iron throne would have made no difference at all to how things happened

@Merione

18 күн бұрын

Correct. Otto had been planning to put Aegon on the thrones for years by that point. He married his daughter to the king in the hope that she could give him male heirs, which she did, and from there he kept plotting for his side of the family to get the throne instead of Rhaenyra's. The very fact that his name is Aegon is a direct callback to Aegon the Conqueror, so that he could have a stronger claim and legitimacy later (remember the coronation scene at the end of season 1: they specifically made a point when addressing the smallfolk that he had the same name of the Conqueror and wore the same armor and weapons, so that was intentional as well). Alicent's misunderstanding of Viserys' words was just the final nail in the coffin that gave him an excuse to proceed with his plans, but if that never happened he would have found another way. Alicent herself was well aware that her son was unfit to rule, but Viserys' words reassured her that what she was plotting with her father was the morally correct choice. But now, with this revelation, her world has crumbled around her and we'll see how her character evolves. What's for sure, though, is that, as she said, now war is inevitable. Even after this bombshell, children have already died, armies are already marching, dragons have already flown... It's too late to go back.

@badyoutuber1986

17 күн бұрын

I physically cannot rewatch the episode 😂 i tried twice already i keep on switching it off i always return to episode 2 though much better episode.

@judigemini178

17 күн бұрын

It doesn't make any difference. Otto forged this path from years and years ago ...I think they're just trying to make alicent look as bad as possible and pandering to team black as much as they can

3:05 It was at that moment Alicent knew... She f***ed up. 😬

Cette scène est très importante car c’est la fin de la Rhaenyra conciliante et qui veut la paix. Alicent va regretté son arrogance car elle profite clairement du fait qu’elle pense que Rhaenyra est faible. Moi je crois qu’elle n’est pas faible du tout et qu’elle va être pire que Daemon 😂… ils vont regretter Rhaenyra la calme et gentille.

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

Je ne pense pas qu'elle se dise qu'elle est faible mais en effet elle ne la pense pas capable de commettre des actes aussi horribles. Je pense qu'elle sera surprise comme tu dis et qu'elle aura pardon et cherchera la paix

How do you decide on the final cut for a video like this?

The prince that was promised soundtrack kicking in the very same moment they speak about him 🫡🔥❄️

Queen 👑 Rhaenyra try the best to prevent war😢

@Hear.myvoice

18 күн бұрын

Which totally doesn't fit to her character at this point...

@Kamo766

18 күн бұрын

@@Hear.myvoice besides this is a series it won't be exactly like on the books.

@Hear.myvoice

18 күн бұрын

@@Kamo766 I was talking about show Rhaenyra actually... I love her character and yes, she isn't a psychopath but it just not her anymore.

@shadyindividual550

16 күн бұрын

Is the "best" in the room with us?

@MarioLopez-rn2bs

14 күн бұрын

Which doesn’t make sense. You would think from a writing perspective, the death of her son would have been the igniter but instead she’s been on the fence and has actively undermined her counsel from pursuing an offensive. Mind you they have taken a massive gamble by taking her side. She’s been pretty frustrating to watch this season.

This scene was fantastic ! Great acting by both 🐉

I really love how they act...

Great scene. These two are an asset to the show. Rhaenyra looks quite beautiful in septa garb.

A striking performance by both actresses. Amazing.

The candlemakers of King's Landing must be so rich!

Even though she realized she made a mistake, Alicent still convinced herself that Viserys changed his mind.

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

it's more that she tries to convince herself of that..

Man, Olivia Cook's eyes alone could carry the whole scene. What a beauty and fantastic actress she is.

Alicent was like "Oopsie"

i didnt think they would actually have alicent realize her mistake, the acting was phenomenal

Why is the audio here to clear 😮

Princess rhaenyra is so cute. The expressions she made

This is absolutely peak cinema cause the next episode ?? We as fans deserve this

@badyoutuber1986

17 күн бұрын

You are being sarcastic right?

Poor Alicent 🤣🤣🤣

What is the music name

Honestly I loved this moment

Love to know whose idea it was to have bits of the Serbian Orthodox liturgy as background noise in the sept of the seven! (Meanwhile, this is what comes of not telling the whole family of the prophecy.)

I'm glad Allicent came to understand her mistake, even if it's too late to do anything about it.

i know some ppl dont like this scene, 'how did rhaenyra get there' blah blah. well she got there and things are about to be super super sad going forward. least she knows that she tried. love this

@turnip9367

18 күн бұрын

People aren't criticising this scene over 'how' Rhaenyra got to King's Landing, they're criticising how contrived and illogical the entire setup is. I don't see how Rhaenyra thought Alicent would be receptive of her when the public opinion is that she ordered her grandson to be assassinated. Alicent could've just ordered the guards to arrest Rhaenyra and use her as a bargaining chip in the war the moment she left the sept. Additionally, even if Alicent did decide to randomly agree to the terms outlined, she wouldn't have been able to do anything since she no longer has any power. The realm is already at war. It began when Lucerys was killed.

@vilhelmstenbro5289

18 күн бұрын

@@turnip9367 Alicent knows Rhaenyra didn’t order an assasin, they used to be best friends, they know each other… Of course they’re gonna give each other a chance to explain

@michaelschaaf1155

18 күн бұрын

@@turnip9367 i respond to that to literally rhaenyra was right about her stupid journey bc alicent LET her be there. but i do agree at that point Alicent had no power, obv it was too far gone. think they wanted us to show rhaenyra had no other moves other than war

@turnip9367

18 күн бұрын

@@vilhelmstenbro5289 They were friends...15+ years ago. A lot has happened since then to drive them apart. They're no longer close, so it doesn't make sense why Alicent would listen to her. If the writers weren't butchering her character by making her incompetent, she would've imprisoned Rhaenyra and used her as a bargaining chil to negotiate an end to the war on terms favourable to the Greens.

@sidscorner1

18 күн бұрын

@@michaelschaaf1155 problem is Rhaenyra already made that "this is war" face end of season 1. Then in season 2 she came back with Luke's remains and again made that "this is war" face and said "Bring me Aemond". Now we're halfway into the season and she's still trying to make peace with the stupidest of moves where Alicent could easily have her captured after she left the sept. The show is trying way too hard to show the men in her council as warmongers and the woman trying all she can to keep the peace.

also rhaenyra literally went rogue in kings landing last season. it aint THAT crazy lol

Queue the laugh track

I hope before their lives are over, and you know the end is gonna be tragic for both of them, Ali and Rhae get one last friendly moment together…

Liars often think they can will fallacy into reality by repeating their lies. "Your father changed his mind. Your father changed his mind. Your father changed his mind."

@Unownshipper

3 күн бұрын

This is a truism that's plainly evident in modern times (cough Tr*mp cough), but you're categorically wrong in applying it to Alicent. A liar has to know that what they're saying is wrong. Alicent believes that Viserys' words were applied to their son because she was never told The Song of Ice & Fire; she has no reason to think her husband is referring to some cryptic prophecy about Aegon the Conqueror. She's not repeating *her* lie, she recites what Viserys said, but unfortunately she's mistaken in the meaning. There is a blatant difference between the two.

I dont remember if this was in the book but its a good addition

"i knew it. I'm the favorite child." 😏

Rhaenyra was badass when young..I can't believe what she has become..

@maximiniminimaxi7453

15 күн бұрын

please stop the war is just starting ☠️ Alicent used to be her friend, they are still attached to each other and the war have consequences

@amorojaz27

15 күн бұрын

Personally, I think this is gutsier than anything Arya Stark did in 8 seasons of Game of Thrones.

@Groovybiha

15 күн бұрын

They made her adult version so bland and passive, like where’s the Targaryen fury???

@maximiniminimaxi7453

14 күн бұрын

@@Groovybiha wait a bit 🙄 she is a mother and she is supposed to be a ruler. A good ruler doesn't let her emotions take the lead. Y'all are forgetting she isn't fighting a common opponent but her own family ☠️ and the weapons are dragons which are massive destruction weapons. It could litteraly lead to the downfall of their family ☠️☠️

2:56 That look! if only Alicent read on Targ history or culture she would've known these stories. That look said it all. "Girl, you didn't get it."

@ragdarashid4718

14 күн бұрын

Only the ruling monarch and heir to the throne know about the story. Even Daemon didn't know about it. I doubt Alicent would've found it in a book.

I like Alicent and her children

Now she can go ALL OUT

They already passed the point of no return. Alicent in this moment realized she messed up, but at that point who would believe her? Even if she said something would Aegon who lost his son give the person he believed murdered his child the throne?

Help I have watch this clip 3 times and I still don’t understand the mistake Alicent made ?

Release the soundtrack already!

season 7 vibes

Alicent knew she messed up. She thought Viserys was talking about her son Aegon II, but he was not talking about that Aegon. He was talking about the *Aegon the Conqueror.* The worst thing is, Alicent didn't even at least sent a raven to Rhaenyra that she would make Aegon II as King. Alicent just directly rushed to make Aegon II the King. Alicent knows that Rhaenyra is the heir too she just can't accept it because she always envy Rhaenyra. The Hightowers have a reputation of putting their sons into the royalty family too that's why in Season 1, Otto wanted Alicent to marry Viserys. I know Alicent manipulates too but this is all of Otto's fault for brainwashing her. Alicent as a kid wasn't always like this until she got married with Viserys and had her father Otto as her counselor. It's a real shame. Alicent and Rhaenyra would've been unstoppable if they stayed together and the Targaryens as a whole would've still been existent in GoT. Just imagine Caraxes, Vhagar, and Vermithor in GoT working together for their house. 😆 All right. I'm projecting now but that would've been lovely. It really makes me mad that there are some houses in GoT who don't believe people who are saying the dragons weren't true and that they were just "stories." YEAH RIGHT!! DO NOT DO MY BOY CARAXES LIKE THAT

To be honest I was really disappointed by this scene... We and they all know that the war can not be stopped because if Rhaenyra or Alicent dies their "husbands" and sons will take over the situation... The dumbest scene of the show so far even if I think the first season was amazing this one starts pretty weak. Plus it was poorly written compared to the 2nd episode's Daemon vs Rhaenyra scene.

this should’ve happened pre blood and cheese or not at all. but amazing work by these actors

@badyoutuber1986

17 күн бұрын

When rheanyra takes King's landing would have been more appropriate.

Alicent swearing on the memory of her mother as a callback to Rhaenyra swearing on the memory of her mother than Daemon didn't touch her aaaaaaaa

An Aegon a day takes ur family closer to the grave😂

Alicent single handedly ensured the end of her bloodline

@califailure1082

14 күн бұрын

The hightowers still rule in oldtown by the start of thrones.

Don't get the hate this scene was good. Also don't get why so many are hating on Alicent, how is she supposed to know Viserys was talking about the Conqueror? Also Otto and the council were already planning to usurp the throne without Alicent so what did yall expect her to do then and now cause its late and they won't care what she says either way.

@stefanvas6984

18 күн бұрын

The acting was superb. But the scene did not make any sense. Why would Rhaenyra risk everything? Why would Alicent not betray her right there? There is no way any of them would have known that. And they both are idiots: one for putting herself into danger and the other one for not delivering potentially a crippling blow to a mortal enemy of her sons. They could have done that with letters and voice acting or some other way... But the way the scene happened was absurd.

@Hear.myvoice

18 күн бұрын

I'm a really great fan of this show but this scene was terrible to be honest... The writing was off a little bit in this episode but this comedy scene in the end was disappointing

@turnip9367

18 күн бұрын

People hate it because it should never have happened. Rhaenyra is an idiot for going to hostile territory on her own without a backup plan and Alicent is an idiot for not capturing her then and there. Why Rhaenyra thought she could avert the war even after her husband ordered the assassination of Aegon's son and heir, I don't know. The scene's logical literally falls apart if you think about it longer than two seconds. Plus, it didn't really serve a purpose since both knew war was inevitable and they already had their catalysts for escalating it.

@AnthonyPi1999

18 күн бұрын

It’s part of the tragedy - it didn’t matter what was happening between them, the MEN had already decided. As to some people not liking it or whatever, ignore them.

@therenegade916

18 күн бұрын

@@turnip9367Because when emotions and history (in relationships) are involved, people make the most rational decisions, right? This and responses like it are all akin to “if that was me I would have done A, B, or C.” When in reality- you’ve never been in that situation, and more importantly you have absolutely no idea as to how you would actually behave. Notice that despite the bad blood, they clearly care for one another and know the other deep down in spite of everything that has happened. The writers are filling in the gaps and canonizing the actual events despite the BOOK’s biased 3rd hand accounts.

That was incredibly stupid of Rhaenyra. Even if she convinced Alicent, what on Earth could Alicent possibly do? Tell Aegon: "Oops, I misunderstood your father's last words, actually you should abdicate and throw yourself at the mercy of those who had your son murdered in his bed?" Rhaenyra is risking her life for a scheme that has zero chance of working.

This was the dumbest plan ever but these actresses are so good that it makes the scene so beautiful

Now your pretty hands will be stained with the blood of thousands, Alicent, as a result of your actions. But the truly sad thing is that it wouldn't have mattered if Alicent had heard Viserys' last words or not. Her father and his bastion of traitors were planning on usurping Rhaenyra and crowning Aegon anyway.

She was in denial she knew there WAS A MISTAKE. She just had to go home and stop the war but it's going to be too late, Rhaenyra is mad now and no matter what Alicent is gonna do to stop her, it's going to fall on deaf ears. She'll have to beg this time 😂😂😂