I carried a revolver for many years as a police officer and a deputy. A .357 is pretty rough on folks that get shot with it.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I hear that it is, but from people without experience they say that it don't "stop" anyone. Those with experience says that it does.

@thealsatian4232

5 жыл бұрын

Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ there’s a good reason why it has a reputation as a stopper.

@cursedsavagee

4 ай бұрын

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Folks have been engaging multiple targets with revolvers a lot longer then with semi autos. Great video Sam!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@kylewood8327

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they have, just carry like Josey Wales. 😂

All I want is a fighting chance without having to wear a certain kind of clothing or be hindered by special equipment. I think my j-frame 38 in my Sticky holster offers me that.

When I was on the job I carried a 4-inch S&W Model 66 for many years. one of our drills consisted of 18 rounds in 60 seconds at 7 yards. It was doable with practice.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Seems like that wouldn't be that difficult to do, but good to keep everyone's skills in check.

Speaking from experience, yes, you can hit multiple targets with a revolver. I strongly recommend that you have a backup and execute a New York reload ( Draw said backup and resume shooting.) before using speedloader or speed strip.

@knokname6466

Ай бұрын

A NY reload may be cool, but carrying speed loaders is more efficient. As to their use, I've routinely shot three separate targets, two shots each, reload and two more shots each in less than ten seconds, all kill shot zone. Go to any competition and you'll find them doing the El Presidente with revolvers and autos.

Sam your draw shooting and hits on target was more than adequate enough for even police and security qualifications, and even those's i mentioned are in the same state of mind when shooting a target that don't shoot back, your draw was smooth and good trigger control to sustain lethal hit.....outstanding job, if the revolver wasn't good enough to engage more than one attacker then the police wouldn't have used the double action revolver for over 100 years, in 1984 bernhard goetz shot 4 gang members in a subway with a s&w 5 shot revolver and had 1 shot left.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The revolver seems as adequate as anything else and I also never get that once in awhile jam like with autos.

@leadbullets4life

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam here!! here!! long live the revolver.

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

@@leadbullets4life A bit off topic, but NYC really railroaded Mr. Goetz. He should have been acquitted of all the charges against him. His gun was only illegal because NYC denied him a permit. The DA threw the book at him and could only get the illegal gun charge.

@leadbullets4life

5 жыл бұрын

@@Fudmottin agreed they were all thugs with records but we know new york is an east coast California.

Love the video as I carry a revolver full time as my EDC, 640 Pro or model 15 snubby. Reloads are definitely a challenge and where pistols have a definite advantage. But I don’t venture out much and don’t live on the S side of Chicago.

Fine demonstration of various revolver platforms against multiple attackers. Personally I love the HST in my ultra light snubby, but yup they are hard to reload quickly. I always enjoy your videos.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Its a pretty nice round. I just tested another Federal toy,d that seems promising too.

Although I have a bunch of automatics, I’ve been toting revolvers all summer. I like your drill. I’ll use it.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Congratulations, you did very well. Have you ever thought of repeating this using inflated balloons on strings hanging from a structure in which the wind was blowing enough to move them around to simulate the movement of an assailant? Back in the 80s I carried two Model 36 revolvers for self-defense,

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I have never thought of that but it might be challenging.

@YellowHammer26

5 жыл бұрын

A great idea!!

@stephen8433

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam If memory serves me correctly, years ago, Lynn Thompson made a video in which he was using a Beretta 950 shooting balloons on a windy day. It was interesting.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

@@stephen8433 is that the knife guy?

@stephen8433

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Yes, you could say that, he is president of Cold Steel. I will look for that video, however, I don't have much confidence I can find it. I think it was in the 80s and it was the first gun video I had ever seen from him. He was advocating the addition of the Beretta Jetfire in combination with a knife.

That 357 is loud !!! Imagine shooting that with no hearing protection.

Good video Sam, way too many people think they are going to be in a John Wick shootout. When in reality many times just producing a firearm will make a predator look for easier prey... You demonstrate how to take care of more than 1 attacker even with a 5 shot snub. excellent!... Also, how the hell do you not have more subscribers?... Just not enough revolver lovers maybe??

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I believe that my subscribers are low because I don't do anything other than go the natural route. I make and upload videos and that's it. Its my understanding that some channels use a lot of different methods to gain subscribers like "sub for sub", giveaways and other methods. Even though I use "Revolver" in my name, I'm more about ccw and handguns in general, but the name does help people know that I do have revolver content which isn't as common to see on here.

Good morning sam,,coffee time with your videos and watching my favorite caliber. 357 ,its a great way to start the day. good times..thanks Sam god bless and keep the video's coming..

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. And of course I did this video because I was already out there doing my normal type of video. More coming soon.

Another great vid! Thanks for all that you do! So much good info! Re: multiple attackers - another reason that a revo is good is if they close on you into contact range.

I carry a Hammerless Snubby .357 with Milled in Night Sights... while Effective at Range, I believe the true advantage is for an Up close & personal Grappling/Mugging assault.. Ain’t Nothing jamming it up

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

True. And sights are overrated. Other than with my 686, I don't recall even seeing the sights on the sub nose revolvers. Just push out and shoot.

@jayboston9620

5 жыл бұрын

Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Had mine tuned Up by D&L Sports in Arizona... However S&W Performance Center Model 640 just came out..& Basically a Modern Clone of my $1200 Custom for about $400 bucks less, there charging $840.. Definitely Worth Checking Out, Especially for us City Dwellers. As for Sights Nice to have for Cross Street Distance... & if Nothing else they build Confidence with a snub, along with range time of course.

@thetonycam3944

4 жыл бұрын

They do jam unfortunately. Not as much as semis though.

Another outstanding video! Ironically, I was working on this yesterday. Wish my results had been half as good as yours!😂

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great video!!!! I am always amazed at the accuracy of the snub nose revolver!! There has been a huge misconception over the years that snub nose revolvers are only good for close up gut shots. Your video just laid that misconception to rest!! Gif bless!!

Great video, Sam. I see your difficulty reloading using the speedloaders, that is why I went to using the strips, another plus is the strips are less bulky and easier to carry in a pocket or even an old phone case than a speedloader. Keep up the good work!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Chalk one up for wheel guns! When it comes to self -defense make mine a good old fashion revolver. I generally shoot more accurately with a semi-auto, however I never feel fully comfortable with one racked and at the ready even if it is in a quick access vault. Plus, IMO, semi-autos are more prone to user error in a stressful situation. It’s just a personal choice whatever works best for the individual. Great video and good shooting!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you and you summed it up correctly. I do have +1 in all my semi-autos right now, but pulling them out of the lock box and putting them on always feels risky. I could literally cowboy spin my loaded revolvers in the trigger guard and have no concern over it, especially with my aitlight revolvers.

That’s good shooting. Your demo shows why I don’t have any illusions about being able to quickly reload my snubby under stress. Still, I do always carry a speed strip or two, just in case.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. If I had tried, the 686 could be reloaded very quick but the snubbies not so much, but the snubbies are the ones realistically carried. Lets just hope a reload isn't needed.

Thanks for all your hard work. This is very beneficial for me because the snubby is my daily carry. Great data points. There is definitely a sweet spot regarding a defensive load that is reliable while still maintaining controllable recoil. It's not always about fps especially in a airweight.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The hard work is more within editing as out there shooting is FUN!

@ea6871

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam well either way you do a great job. Thank You

good shooting. thank you for all your informative work.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Training and train more is the key! The 38 special has been used in law enforcement for close to a hundred years.

I would believe that in dealing with a revolver, the management of shots made is crucial in making sure you have enough to find cover, reload, shoot again if needed, things of that nature. And if under tremendous stress, one tends to lose count of shots fired. Practice is definitely needed in this scenario of point shooting or flash point shooting, which most of us do not practice at all! Shooting with one hand double action only! Good video, again!

Good show! I'd noticed that hand shake myself after a few quick cylinder empty and reload drills with my Model 60 (and in particular w/my wife's Model 360PD) in .357 back in the day before I settled on a slicked out S&W .38 Spcl humpback. Shake could be somewhat negated/work arounded with the Michael de Bethencourt weak hand reload (which I'd essentially/naturally sorted out on my own with my own trial and error experimentation prior to discovering his vid back when I was experimenting with which speedloaders and approaches were best for me.)( *Safariland Comp Series* by a *huge* margin). *Edit2:* I still just use my grip/strong R hands thumb to articulate the cylinder release and kinda rotate roll the topstrap and side of the barrel against my weak L hands palm while simultaneously poking the cylinder out with the R hands index finger (leaving/utilizing it from that point on as is done in the videos example) while I'm actively transitioning to muzzle up and swiping at the ejector with a L hand blade chop. Then I incorporate a L hand finger sweep/grasp down the cylinder to insure check that all spent rounds are ejected (muey importante w/.357's and a snubbys stubby ejector rod) as I'm starting the muzzle down arc and swingging L hand away to start fishing in pocket for the speedloader. Edit: MdB method: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pZ6GtsaRps2onag.html (If the off channel post dosent sit well I'll nuke it pronto!)

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I might attribute some of the hand shake to an exposed back strap with the Hogue grips (interesting why it's like that but the .38 Special version for my J-frame is padded). I have tried that guy's method of reloading, but every time I tried to do it I naturally reverted to the strong hand method, so I just worked on that instead. I will admit though, I carry my reload in my weak hand pocket, so my method is asking for trouble in the real world. I have been suggested by many people to try the Safariland, I just haven't yet as I don't think about it often, I end up buying ammo for testing with any spare cash :)

What is more likely, after the second shot the bad guys would be running away. Criminals are looking for a victim and not a fight.

Awesome video Sam. It's refreshing to see someone out there showing off the capabilities of a good ol revolver. I don't know about anybody else but when I wake up in the middle of the night half asleep I want something I could just grab without thinking and pull the trigger. Can't beat them. Thanks for the fun video

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I always like to imagine how all of the extra rounds in an auto as being typically unused. Sort of like buying a pickup truck for a lot of needs, and you're single and only ever use it for commuting. The small car, or revolver could have served you better.

@davidatticus5179

5 жыл бұрын

Hmm. I do get your point, Philip, but when i wake up in the middle of the night half asleep looking for something i can grab without thinking, it isnt generally a pistol. And lest our female viewers think that a sexist troglodyte remark, may I add that I extend that privilege with reciprocity -- more often than not she wakes ME. ;)

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidatticus5179 My analytics suggest that I have as many as 305 female subscribers :)

@davidatticus5179

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, wow, 305 females? I actually am surprised (and pleased) thats pretty good, really. As of right now, some 4 hrs or so after posting, with several hundred views already and a bunch of likes and troll-free commentary, it seems you are on target! I notice you reply to nearly all comments, nice, but kiss that goodbye at 100k subs! As for the vid: again, Practical&Useful, my mantra apparently. I agree with Stephen, et al, who suggest some sort of a moving twin target demo. Unless you are Miculek-quick, things likely begin to get kinetic once you 'display'/direct fire toward your first objective -- #2(and friends) will either move toward or away from you and #1 will (presumably) be falling (so a head shot there is a dubious prospect, or just unneeded). This is obviously simply armchair speculation on my part, like most YouRube drivel! BTW, GS, 'thanks' for infecting me with RA. (Not the arthritis, I've had that awhile, no I mean Revolver Aficionado disease). My friend has an older, but like new, Colt snub SF-VI, the penultimate Detective Special (the subsequent DS-II being the last gasp for quite a spell until the birth of the new Cobra, I believe) with a trigger that moves like butter on a hot skillet. It seems to be calling my name, and I am trying to get him drunk enough to part with it. Without a Patreon account of my own, it looks like its back out to the corner with a tin can for me, sign around my neck: "Arms for the Poor". (Get it? Get it? Alms for the Poor. 😁... Alright, not funny.)

357 mag full house loads (125 grain at 1500 gps or 158 at 1350 fps )out of a 4 inch = 1 shot torso stops... 99% of time

Whenever I load up my initial 6 shots, I load it as if it were a reload just to give myself more practice.

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Good idea.

@thomaspalmer7900

Жыл бұрын

Great advice!!!! Well worth noting!!!

I thought I was watching Greg from Lionquest Fitness for a minute. Good shooting.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

But my grey hair is barely noticeable :)

@LionquestFitness

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam LOL!

Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado Thinking about the multiple assailant scenario, I'm in the process of using two revolvers, both with Crimson Trace Laser sights. I'm using the Taurus 617 7-shot 2-inch barrel and the Taurus 85 5-shot 2-inch barrel. The 617 is on the left hip and the 85 is on the right hip in IWB holsters. Practicing getting both guns into action and engaging 3 assailant targets. Basically, the 85 is in action first, hitting the right (My right) assailant first, as the 617 is being drawn and fired next on the left assailant and then the 85 hits the center assailant. Or vice versus, where the 617 engages the left assailant first ant then the 85 hits the right. It was a bit clumsy at first, shooting two-handed, but FUN trying and surprised me at being fairly easy to do, as long as you don't try to shoot both guns simultaneously . The trick is to fire each revolver in sequence as the gun comes on target and to NOT RUSH shots. I can't recommend this technique as of yet BUT it does show a LOT of promise. I'm getting pretty good at weak hand shooting too! The great thing is that carrying both guns on opposite hips is actually easy and comfortable, but I do wear suspenders. I carry just behind each hip using IWB belt clip holsters, using a loose shirt as cover garment. Toying with the idea of carrying a 4-inch, 7-shot (Tracker or GP 100) on the left hip, for long range shots, say for engaging a mass shooter across a Mall common area, using precise, rested SA fire. I prefer 38 Special to 357 Mag, as 357 is dangerous to hearing if fired in a small confined space, as may be common in a self defense situation. I find two compact revolvers easier to carry and conceal, than one blocky auto pistol, and with practice, I'm certain that multiple assailants could be engaged and stopped much more quickly and efficiently with two revolvers than with one auto!

Another video I really enjoyed and very good shooting!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Good showing from the revolvers. You did good and had good shot placement. I carry revolvers primarily cause I really enjoy shooting them and they carry so easily. I never feel like I need more. Most people who say it’s not enough don’t understand civilian self defense. If you want to carry more that’s great but I feel like 5-6 rounds and a speed loader or strip is enough. Thanks for the video.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I was going to mention in the video that 3 shots fired is the median shots by statistics but I forgot. 1 to 5 is the extremes, with 6 rounds or even 5 its covered as long as your shot placement is okay.

Great as always

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

In my opinion you did well Another good video Thanks

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great video, I appreciated the fact, You brought up about being a civilian in a defense situation... This is important, In reality most Civilian defense of this type, Would be at close quarters, Citing FBI statistics..... I took notice you were using the Isosceles Stance, may I recommend the (CAR) Center Axis Relock, Shooting platform..... I have recently started to put it to my own practice, I believe it makes more sense for the civilian market, & beyond......

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Firstly, nice shooting. Secondly, when this comes up in class, I always tell students that capacity isn't going to save you. 1 hit is better than 20 misses. (You should of course always have a sharp knife and the skills to use it. Just in case)

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@WhoWouldWantThisName

5 жыл бұрын

That is a good point. Transitioning to another weapon could be very useful and maybe a better option than a reload, even if you do have more rounds.

Good informative video! Great shooting brother!!!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. And I don't like to brag as i'm not trying to, but I wasn't really "aiming" properly or trying too hard. I mention this because if the revolver is so difficult to master like a lot of people say, imagine how well one could be used if someone really put the time into shooting them. There's something about knowing it's going to go bang that makes focusing on shooting them really easy to do.

@rossgreenzweig

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam your a great shot to begin with! But I totally agree, with time and practice and a speed load you could handle a scenario of more than one attacker.

Sam: I use a standard size paper plate @ 3, 5 & 7 yards and empty my J frame as fast as possible, reload w/a speed loader & repeat slowing down a bit as distance increases. Tight groups are not important, only hits count. If I can keep all 10 rounds on the plate I call it good. This drill also works w/my LCP or any gun carried for self defense, and is usually acceptable at most public ranges.

Thanks for sharing!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

great video, thank you-

Thanks Sam. I'd say mission accomplished. Good timing as I'm carrying my Ruger LCRx 3" barrel loaded with .38 special Hydrashok 128 gr +P. Nice shooting on your part.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and you will be happy because I JUST tested that ammo and will release a video on it next week. One of the more powerful .38 Special rounds I have tested so far in my 9mm VS .38 Special short barrels series.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

It got over 900 FPS velocity, which is great for a 129 gr and recoil was fine, pretty low actually.

@Me2Lancer

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSamThat's great news, Sam. I'm eager to see the Hydrashok test.

All about shot placement, which you did very well. I know you can't count on it, but it seems to me that in most cases if you were to shoot one of the assailants the other one would get the heck out of there. That was a really good video.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. And I didn't want to say it in the video, but no sights were used as far as I recall with the body shots. They point naturally so less rounds is made up for by the accuracy of them.

That’s awesome with the 3 and 4 in S&W I’m good with but snubnose boy I need a lot of practice with it.

Great video Great channel 👍

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

This I a great drill for a revolver! Thank you, kinda a double failure drill.

Good shooting. I enjoy your videos

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

You hit what you aim at.

That'll work !

Fantastic shooting !

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Pretty good shooting there Sam. I would think that you would be firing a good deal faster than that in a real encounter, but that's okay. I still think this was a decent display of a reasonable response to such a scenario. I will elaborate in another comment, as I tend to rant. :/

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I really am not sure how fast I would fire in a real situation, but I went as fast as my limitations allowed where I knew I would not miss for sure.

@WhoWouldWantThisName

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Yeah I get that and it's kind of to my point. I think in a test or evaluation scenario that is what most of us would do. In the moment though, I think most of us would rush to do all of it. That is once we decide to draw that gun we will likely rush that gun up to target as fast as possible and even squeeze off that first shot before our sights are up to our line of sight. I think this is why so often we hear of shootings with so many rounds fired and yet so few hits. I think in training, and I'm talking LE too, we drill at doing the fundamentals right, but when it's go time we just rush to get that first shot on target, or more like out of the barrel. Then we rush to get the next one actually in that bad guy. The whole panicky rushing to do it all causes mistakes and no real sight picture or any of it. We might have a good trigger squeeze and grip, maybe. The only way to train for this is to really train for that situation. We have to get that stress up, and hurry so we can start to get used to going fast and under pressure. At some point you get used to operating like that and start actually being more aware of what you're REALLY doing in those moments. You then can self correct and condition yourself to do the right thing instinctively through conditioning and not through thought. Habits take over, and you just need to have the right habits. This is why training in things like point shooting are very helpful and can be a sort of better than nothing practice. If you have built in the habit of drawing and pointing with the gun aimed more-or-less at center mass at a reasonable distance then when SHTF and you don't get that front sight up to eye level before you squeeze off round one you are more likely to have the gun pointed close to the center of the target. I think we all need to be realistic and honest with ourselves about just how much we are willing and able to train and how well conditioned we actually are. It takes a lot of repetition to develop habit and most of us have a hard time getting to the range often enough, let alone can afford the ammo to get "well trained". Therefor I think it's more realistic to develop certain habits that don't require as much of us and will get the job done even if we aren't proud to show anyone that day's targets we shot. Things like drawing from the method we will actually be using to pack and conceal our gun. Drawing from standing, sitting, and even sitting in our car. I know I haven't done that nearly enough. One thing I used to do, not as much these days :(, is crouching while drawing. I would lower myself as part of my draw so while bringing my gun up I would be bending my knees and lowering my shoulders to it, into a crouch posture. This was mostly to present a smaller target to my foe, but it also meant I was kind of meeting the gun half way. I also used to do this and actually dropped to one knee, but I'm not as keen on that anymore. I want to be on both feet so I can more agilely and quickly move about. It's like bringing your hands together rather than just one hand to the other. The travel distance is shortened and thereby also the time. It's just an efficiency of movement thing really. Anyway, the speed reload is not likely to be needed. What is needed is smooth draw to the grip and following through with the trigger pull. Getting that down so you don't actually just fire the gun as part of your draw is critical, for moral and legal reasons. That's the kind of thing that can happen though when rushing to respond without sufficient conditioning. You might need to be fast on the draw but may not need to actually shoot them. If you have the self control and presence of mind in emergencies to keep your pace slow enough to be smooth and controlled I applaud you and say great job. Doing all this within your limits in the stress of combat will serve you well. Like they say in SF, "slow is smooth and smooth is fast". So slowing down can actually save you time, ammo, and blood. Sorry for the long-ass rant. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir and probably a more experienced choir at that.

GOOD JOB.

Looks pretty good to me. And I'll be honest with you. I watch a lot of people train at the range and I seldom see anyone who can hit targets that well with pistol or revolver. Basically you have the 20% who can't hit the broadside of the barn. Then you have the 60%-70% who can get a percentage of their shots on target enough to pass a qualification course. Once you get into the next tier, the next 15%, you are in a group who spend time training and working at shooting well and have some natural aptitude at it. You and I are in that group. But the very top tier - that top 5% - those are the genetically gifted who have that extreme hand/eye coordination - these are the Jerry Miculek's and other top shooting competitors. They work hard as well, but have abilities we don't have the genetics for. Of course - LOL - there is also the Smoke and Mirror Brigade who speed and edit film and lie about distance and how well they shoot to sell training and products.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'd say you're right. Even though I'm a natural with a rifle, I am not with a handgun. I attribute the desire to hand load as just a craft as why I improved. I would sit and literally hand load 800 rounds of .38 special before shooting any, and would need more brass so I'd shoot up what I had. Revolvers holding 5 to 6 rounds and spending hours in a day shooting up that ammo for brass really changed my abilities before I knew it. There's a lot of instructional videos on here, but the truth is that rounds down range do more than instruction ever could even if done with "wrong" technique. Thanks for watching!

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

Get me inside five yards and I can nail the broad side of a barn at least 60% of the time! ;-)

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

@@Fudmottin What, will 40% go through the slots between the wall boards in the hay loft?!?

@LionquestFitness

5 жыл бұрын

@@Fudmottin LOL!

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I don't know where they go. Through a hole in reality perhaps. Or perhaps I'm just too spastic.

Nice demo, you had good cc rol

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Not to sound mean but keep practicing the reloads your doing a good job but theres always room to approve I love your channel and how you praise the revolver like me my first handgun was a Taurus m85 but I traded it in for a sd40ve. I love my airweight 637 it goes everywhere I go pretty much unless I for sure cant carry

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Part of the reload issue comes along with ammo choice or speedloading method. With my 686 I could probably rival a moon clip or even a spare magazine with the cheap HKS loaders I have, but the snub nose setup needs some work with device/ammo choices.

@deltadragon2335

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam use the safariland speedloaders there awsome I like them over the hks

Sam , let me tell you something you are the best , you proved one more time a revolver can get the job done loaded with good ammo and be honest in the real life multi attackers when the hear the first bang the others going to run away. Bravo 👏👏👏👏 again , nice video

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, thanks for watching! I feel like even one round per attacker might slow them and be enough if they don't have a gun, especially if someone trained on a target that shows hip bones and all of that.

Good presentation. Honestly for 99.9% of situations a civilian is likely to find himself/herself in, a six shot revolver is ample. I can envision rare scenarios where someone may be better served with a high capacity semi-auto, but its excessively rare a situation where an average person may need that much firepower. Most engagements only involve one or two shots fired. That said, I believe people should have the option of choosing the platform they prefer. I am fine with my two revolvers, but if someone wants a 17 round 9mm Glock they should have that choice.

Sam, have you considered revisiting this demonstration, but using the .32 H&R Magnum and then .327 Magnum out of the LCR?

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I guess I had not really considered it. I might have to try to.

I had a friend that was a tactical runner. He told me about two police officers that shot to criminals 17 times with a 357. They only stop shooting because they were running out of line and that survived with no problem because they were notified Oregon shit

I saw you mentioned on Paul's channel. When that happens you have to come over and check it out.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Paul seems pretty cool, I think he gets a kick out of some of my content.

Yea I use a lcr for carry and I keep the hst in the gun and have golden sabers for a reload because of the flat shape of the hst

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I have been doing something similar, I do have TAC-XP ammo in my normal carry speedloader as I know HST's won't reload well.

Nice shooting. Hopefully a reload under the kind of stress there would be in real life would not be necessary. In real life, I also think you would look for cover before having to do a reload. In the case of the snub, shot four would call for some kind of movement on your part. I believe you have demonstrated that a revolver will work in reasonable scenarios. Even if you up the number of attackers to three, you could give each one a shot and have two left for those who don't know when to quit.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have also thought that if I was in a situation where a reload was needed, that getting out of Dodge is the best way to do it. I have even considered shot placement options depending on the situation. A revolver VS a madman with a "better" gun i'm not sure i'd have many options other than make my shots more true than his, however 2 guys with other weapons or just brute strength might be better dealt with by hip shots and getting out of there. I used to have those organ and bone paper targets that showed hip bones, I think any shot there would allow for me to get away and not be followed.

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam Breaking the hip bone or femur would certainly kill someone's mobility. Precise aim like that might be just as difficult as a head shot. I imagine for a really close encounter, you would be forced to take whatever shot you can get. Example, you might be tackled and only be able to press your gun into the person and shoot. I expect a contact shot would be pretty nasty with the powder charge following the bullet in.

Here's my attitude regarding multiple attackers. Now granted I come from a military background so I don't know how much that may factor into this but,,,,, even if I was armed with a high capacity auto I don't foresee myself standing there toe to toe emptying my mag into two or more assailants. In the military, when faced against a larger force, your intent is to lay down a wall of lead (suppressive fire) then immediately break contact and get to safety. Trying to shoot it out to the death is just going to likely rack up a body count for the other guys. In this scenario you laid out I would do the same thing whether armed with a revolver or a 17 shot 9x19. I wouldn't want to waste time putting too many rounds at any given target before moving onto the next one. One or two into the first threat then the same into the second. Whether I then go onto a third (if there is one) or back to the first entirely depends on the situation and how it plays out. Obviously once the shooting starts not only am I going to want to get to cover but so are they (probably). So I wouldn't expect them to just stand there and return fire. What I'm getting at is even if I have a LOT more than 5 or 6 rounds, I still don't think I want to be out in the open after firing all of those. I will be either behind cover or maybe just running away. Let's not disregard the value in fleeing the scene. That may not sound very macho but, again in the military, we would call that breaking contact and never regard it as cowardly. That's just good tactics. Once I have that break in the scenario where the players have changed places and everyone is beginning to think "What now?" there may be the opportunity to reload, and even if I have an auto I will reload if I have the rounds to do so. Tactical reload means not running out at a very inconvenient time later unnecessarily. So auto or revolver I would reload if I have the chance but more than likely at this point it's people are down and others are running. Unlike a military scenario everybody has a choice to be there or not. You can leave, hide, sneak to somewhere else, you don't need to "finish things" like it's an action movie. I would prefer more rounds than 5 if facing such a scenario, but how many do I actually foresee getting off before I really don't want to still be standing there? Emptying your mag at the threat in a military context is quite different given you have multiple squad mates throwing rounds down range as well and you are probably in the open getting ambushed. It is a very different matter when you are all alone with no support available from anywhere. In both cases, return fire, get to cover. That is your goal at that time, to get to relative safety. You can take stock and adapt from there.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input. I have been wondering lately if there would be time to assess the situation and to whether or not the "bad guy" has a gun or not. Ideally I feel like if someone could pull off hip shots, like land shots to the aggressor's hip, it might be effective as a means to escape their attack. I know that center mass shots is the normal training, but it's a thought. Also I have often (just for fun) wondered which platform could lay down more suppressive fire if behind cover. Lets say an auto vs a revolver, a 50 round box of ammo, one magazine and just one plain Jane revolver. Would it take longer to send 50 rounds down range and to keep loading that magazine even if it was 15 shot, or drop in and drop out 6 revolver rounds and repeat till 50 are gone?

@WhoWouldWantThisName

5 жыл бұрын

Well flakey-ass KZread just through away another of my rather lengthy comments before I could hit "REPLY". Let's try again. Unless I misunderstood you Sam, if I am in the belief that I am being attacked and my life is in danger, I am not going to make any effort to spare the attacker's life. I will put a round center mass or into his face, whichever is closest/easiest at the time. I suppose if you mean you are unsure whether or not the attacker is armed and therefor don't want to kill him, then I think it's essentially a scuffle or brawl until I discover he is armed. Hopefully I don't find out the hardest way. If someone is threatening you prior to getting that close, then I think it is fair to say you can warn them you are armed and willing to shoot them. Showing the gun concealed under your shirt, etc. could accomplish that too I suppose. I don't know, it's such a case by case situation where the details dictate what is "reasonable" by law in the eyes of the jury and judge. Flashing a gun might trigger them to pull a gun when they might not have otherwise. Suddenly they see you as the attacking gunman. Not an easy matter to answer. As for the testing you proposed. My first thought is that the auto would be faster, but then when I think of how fast can I load a magazine I'm not so sure. If given only one mag and no speed loaders/strips for the revolver, I really don't know which would be faster to burn through that box. I guess it just depends on the shooter and their skill sets. Sounds like something we should find out though ;). I think you seem like just the man for the job Sam.

Nice shooting. Revolvers are still a useful weapon!!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I began with revolvers in '77...S&W Model 66 four inch and a 2 1/2" off duty. First, self defense shooting is NOT bullseye shooting, however, the more one practices with accurate, bullseye sternum strikes, the more accurate one should be when stress enters the equation in a street fight. What I see here is slow shooting. Why ? Because the paper can't harm you. Not being critical but rather observational. More than likely any attack, multiple attackers or not, will catch one off-guard, off balance. Further, remember, the attack may not be on you but a loved one, so taking shots like this is...well, reckless. It's something I've discussed with my wife...she's the soft target, and I do not want to shoot her but place shots to the head of the assailant. A former colleague was placed in such a situation when a attacker grabbed his wife and threatened her life rather than the off-duty officer. One well placed shot to his face with a .45 ACP ended his criminal career. Otherwise revolvers are great self defense weapons, and .357 magnums will produce significant internal trauma.

Another good one. Surprising people fail to remembe, most police agencies didn't switch to semi handguns until the early 90's. I think it's fair to say that police dealt with multiple attackers since the revolver came on the scene, and they were and are effective. YOU have to be able to do your part. Not "spray and pray". Bottom line is 1st shot fired and shot placement with an appropriate caliber and bullet type are more important than high cap in MOST circumstances for MOST people. Would my 1st choice to defend against multiple assailants or an active shooter be a 5 shot J frame ? No, if that was a common expectation in my daily life I'd carry more. When I plan to travel to or through higher risk areas I do gear up. You can bet in addition to that choice I will still have a snubbie in my off pocket as well. "Semper Paratus"

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and I have the same philosophy. I carry the same everyday pretty much, but if I go somewhere that isn't as safe as other places, or if I foresee danger etc etc I will carry my 15+1 9mm with a spare mag, with LE +P ammo. If someone wants to attack this obviously poor fat dad, i'd be wondering why but i'm sure it would be a rare situation and a snubby should work. I feel like if you're not a target by most people and not actively looking to stop crime, you're good with a revolver.

I guess I have three questions Do you open carry? Do you walk around with your hand on the revolver grip? Your best time from the start of your draw to firing your second shot was 2.3 secs, if rather than standing still your attackers had been running towards you, how far would the second guy have travelled towards you in that time? These questions can be asked of a person with a 9mm auto loader as well. Indeed their only possible advantage is if called on to fire six shots they're unlikely to have to reload.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

If the second guy moved towards me, than the accuracy and effectiveness would be that much greater. And one does need to have situational awareness to have their hand on their weapon before it goes down. Like with pocket carry like I do often do, I would probably know something was up, have my hand in my pocket with my hand on my grip before it needed to be pulled.

Nobody gets seconds until everyone has been served.

I know people are going to laugh but I've carried an old H&R .32 snub nose. I'm not trying to take on a whole fucking gang I'm trying put some lead into an attacker so I can get away.

You could definitely ruin someone's day LOL

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully...if I absolutely needed to.

If you get caughr flat footed or off guard, which an attack would most likely be because otherwise you would use your situational awareness to get the hell out of that situation. a revolver makes a better tool in my opinion for most practical self-defense situations. I'd rather have five shots that I know I can count on if I'm sitting down, standing up, falling over limp wristing etc... then 30 rounds of maybe or maybe not. From a self-defence perspective, you're not already standing there like Barney Fife at the range ready for a paper target fight,you are already the underdog because the attacker has the element of surprise.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

True. I get jams on autos for things as tiny as having a thumb in the wrong place to touch the mag release or touch the slide on a small pistol, and that's in perfect conditions. Wouldn't want to be off guard and shot two is a dead trigger.

Those 38's are a bear to reload with a speedloader. Nice hits btw

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I really haven't put much thought into what would or would not be the fastest to reload. I know my TAC-XP ammo for .38 SPL is really "pointy" and slick, they should feed well. I wonder if 158 gr would work better than 110 or 125 as more weight from gravity might help. I should really mess with this stuff and find out.

@jamesnevitt3400

4 жыл бұрын

MPGunther1 try speed bees

The paper targets came back to life with tape as band-aids 😂 😂 😂

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

And I have discovered recently, and this is funny that it took so long to realize it, is that I do a lot of testing with water jugs, and typically past the first jug they are just holes and not split jugs, and I can tape them up and refill them for more testing!

@ImmortalSet

4 жыл бұрын

Yea good idea to patch it back up and reuse them for practice again

Suggestion - Show three attacker for the next go around.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I can try lol, but i'd have to come up with a whole new stand to build.

@bobhartman2571

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam That's ok, it was just a thought.

I really enjoy your vids and I really like revolvers. I don't think you would need a reload in real life, nice to have the skill level to do it. If you think you will need a reload, I would say you are carrying the wrong gun. 357 for home defence I would be worried about damaging my ears because of the confined space but to each his own. One head shot high on the static target, well in real life all the heads shots would have been high because with those body shots those bad guy were going down fast. Very nice shooting!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have debates a lot about .357 magnum in confined spaces and all I can say is that short of a ruptured ear drum, I don't think it would damage hearing much more than anything else. My brother is the president of an audiology company so I know a lot about his work. Most of his clients were factory workers and the like, non stop sound for hours every day even if it wasn't loud.

@commonsense592

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I agree I don't think there would be any long term damage maybe if you were discharging a gun everyday for a year. Blowing out an ear drum does hurt, I have unfortunately done it many many times mainly caused by health problems not by loud sounds (once a lightning strike near me while driving is the only loud sound one) and my hearing is still very good. It's not something I would want to do intentionally that all.

I wouldn't feel short footed even with a 8 shot 22 lr revolver of good quality! Best wishes and regards!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. As long as it has a pretty big grip a 22 would work.

@JohnDoe-vq8bg

5 жыл бұрын

Smith and Ruger both make some I'd trust. The other side of that bet, I wouldn't get caught dead with the finest or most expensive 22 auto loader! But a good 22 revolver, would not hesitate too much. With 22 ammo already too much has been compromised to also throw in auto loader reliability issues! 32 and 22 revolvers are a decent option as we get OLDER! This getting old stuff ain't for everyone! Have fun Sam!

It would seem to me, that it MAY be prudent to carry TWO light weight revolvers over a semi with and extra mag. Something about those tiny semi auto's that make me very nervous. Many seem cheap and some are very unreliable.

@timsharkey1993

5 жыл бұрын

White Space Marines two j-frames seems feasible. I have a Ruger LCP that I’ll carry in an ankle holster as a “New York reload”. It’s never had a hiccup with any ammo I’ve put through it. Some micro guns are definitely not the best, so choose carefully. But, a second j-frame in that ankle holster is an option, too.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, one could carry two. I feel like one is enough but that's just me. If I needed more shots I feel like a medium high capacity 9mm is the way to go, its the only caliber I trust to be reliable in a medium size gun like a Glock 19 size, not enough recoil to jam it or issues I get with too small pistols or too large caliber.

@timsharkey1993

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve kind of settled in on the Rule of 3’s, so that’s why I don’t feel nervous about carrying a 5 or 6 shot snub as my primary.

Good shooting. Both targets were likely incapacitated prior to reloading. There are virtually no quality data on the details of armed civilian defensive shootings, so law enforcement data are a reasonable proxy. The problem with shooting static targets is in a real incident the bad guys are shooting at you, are moving, your body is experiencing an adrenaline rush, and we know that cops hit their target as little as one shot in six. With a 5-round capacity means up to a 40% chance of emptying the revolver in a gunfight without hitting your target once. Whereas, with my go-to carry piece, a CZ 83 chambered in .380 Auto with a 14-round capacity, this potential probability of missing every shot is a much lower 8%. I carry a spare mag, and in the unlikely event I'd need a reload it will occur much more rapidly than your revolver reloads. If your at least one of your bad guys is still in the fight and only 7 yd away after you've expended your 5 rounds, running, rather than standing your ground while fumbling with your speedloader, will be your best bet. I applaud your honesty on the effects of recoil. The typical gun guru claims recoil doesn't matter if you train to deal with it. Regardless of training, physics and biology are still in effect, and more recoil results in reduced accuracy and precision. If recoil didn't matter, 1911s chambered in .22 LR, with recoil of 0.8 ft•lb, would be allowed to compete in bullseye matches against 1911s chambered in .45 Auto, with recoil of 7 ft•lb. Most gun owners are not range rats who spend most of their disposable income on ammo. Thus, recoil is an underevaluated criterion in defensive handgun selection. John Moses Browning did not design his .32 Auto and .380 Auto cartridges for use in today's pocket pistol designed for pants pocket carry. His 1903 and 1908 Pocket Hammerless pistols, chambered in .32 Auto and .380 Auto, respectively, are compact guns and pocketable only in a jacket pocket. He designed his .25 Auto cartridge for today's truly pocketable pistol; e.g., his 1908 Vest Pocket. More than a few owners of the popular LCP report it being uncomfortable to shoot. For that reason, I think true pocket pistols should be chambered in only .32 Auto, .25 Auto, or .22 LR. My pocket pistol is a Beretta 3032 Tomcat chambered in .32 Auto. In such calibers FMJ ammo is the only practical choice for self defense, because in handgun wounding penetration über alles, JHPs do not reliably expand, and if they do expand penetration is less than adequate.

Would be good to add some movement though

For that old saying why do you cary a 45 because they dont make a 46 well well well wrong I carry a 500 mag 4" to bear country and sometimes if I'm feeling all dirty harry I throw some light hp loads in and in the waistband holster around town in also a big guy and make it disappear

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Speed strips perhaps on that snubby? I think you did great. I enjoyed the video. Thanks. Now bring out the G-36 and do the drills and a reload! Lol

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have tried speed strips and they are really slow for me. With the right ammo choices and practice I think my best option is a speedloader.

@elblancobasura

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam That's more than I've done. I see these guys hither and dither on you tube making pretty good work of it with those strips but I've yet to try them. I'm still on good old fashioned HKS's when I'm carrying around my old trusty Charter .38 snub. I'm no speed demon using them, either in that thing or any other .38's I carry.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

@@elblancobasura I do the same thing. I purchased some HKS loaders and have pocket carried them loaded for years and never once have they fallen out except for when intended to. I have no problem concealing them either.

At the range, I'm just looking for holes on paper--the gun used isn't so critical. I suppose the same idea applies to self defense.

Hitting the 38 is better then missed shots with the 357

Great video... nothing wrong with carrying a revolver... every once in a while I’ll carry my 357mag...

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Seems with all the technology these days, some company could build a better speed loader that would hold the cases, and as soon as the rounds are partly into the chambers, press a button and POP they zing the rest of the way in. Instead of all the jiggling and juggling and twisting.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a cool idea. Like a spring tension pop thing, maybe the pushers made out of rubber to not put force on the primers.

@exothermal.sprocket

5 жыл бұрын

Has to be some means of compressing a light spring in each speedloader chamber, until it 'clicks' into the case neck, ready to be deployed with a positive press of the knob.

@Fudmottin

5 жыл бұрын

Safariland is close to that. However, if your grip interferes with the loader, it can't line up and won't drop the rounds into the cylinder. HKS is more forgiving as they only need to be part way in.

I'm just seeing this video February 4th 2023. ONE BIG BIG THING TO REMEMBER IN THIS VIDEO NO ONE IS COMING AT YOU OR SHOOTING BIGGEST DEFICIENCIES. !!!

@GunSam

Жыл бұрын

Well there's not really any practical way to simulate people coming at you.

If I was confronted by two assailants, and I had my Revolver with me, I'd put two shots in each assailant to start with. Two .38 Special +P in the torso is nothing to laugh at.

So hitting with the 38 is better then missing with the 357

good shooting.....

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thumbs up!. If were real perps, they wold be having a very bad day!!

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Especially with the first revolver, or maybe not as they wouldn't suffer long. That .38 Special round though, that particular one don't penetrate much so they would be hurting.

Best reloader for a Ruger Security?

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't know as I can't confirm offhand what ones will fit that.

In a real situation you may be shaking anyways.

Like

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Some say he’s the new Paul Harrell. You be the judge.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

I really wouldn't want all the responsibility he has to be where he is. I like his work though.

@davidatticus5179

5 жыл бұрын

P.H. lite? Haha. As dry as it is already, your sense of humour may need to hang out in the sun a while longer to match that man's understated and leathery sardonic approach. A few more years of dumb questions ought'a do it.

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidatticus5179 Not Lite, i'm pretty sure I have 50 lbs on him :) But seriously, I do like his channel but it's important to remember that I have been doing what i'm doing before I ever heard of him with slight increase in content and quality over a few years ago. Again, i'm not saying i'm better or even as good, just saying what I do is all me, unique and formed long before I ever heard of him.

@davidatticus5179

5 жыл бұрын

So noted. And, btw, never saw your work as imitative, nor would I characterize your 'style' as clonish. So..."any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental", as they say, and besides, one PH is precisely enough. Now that that's settled, may you always keep your powder dry, and carry on, sir! ☺

How about one 357 in each hand

@GunSam

5 жыл бұрын

Be unrealistic

@user-ss6zt2mo1l

5 жыл бұрын

Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ no need to reload 😉

Dude there is no way you shot multiple targets and got all those hit a a revolver really? Just kidding dude. For not practicing you kept all but your very lady shot on paper which proves my point. When you get the dumb ads comments saying you can't do it. What they ate really saying is I can't do it so nobody should be able to do it. Now granted it could have been faster and if you practiced that scenario twice a week it would be faster. But most people are so afraid to get shot odds ate 1 shot even if it's not in a kill zone will most likely stop the threat and in reality that's all we need anyway. It would be intersecting to see you do the same scenario with auto loaders. For no other reason other than I'm sure your results would be different. Not better not worse not so someone could say to someone else I told ya so just interesting. Thanks for the interesting video I enjoy them

@GunSam

3 жыл бұрын

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I would say you were most effective with the .38 with the full size .357 second. The later has the advantage of the extra round but if you went to a D frame .38 or a J frame .32 you could have the best of both worlds. Of course you could have a .38 in your pocket and a .357 under the shirt and be all over it. ;)

Try on not pointing the gun at yourself when holstering.

I have had better luck with the Safariland speedloaders

@GunSam

4 жыл бұрын

I been using the HKS for so long it's second nature. I could change but then if I ever needed one i'd probably be turning and shaking a push forward one lol

@jamescooper7272

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam I like how with the Safariland speedloaders I can just pop them into my Ruger GP100 and there is no twisting involved. I didn't like the idea of having to twist the rounds into my spinning cylinder. But I certainly understand the resolve to stick with what we have ingrained into our muscle memory. Sometimes it is better to go with what works for us over and above what seems works well for other people.

@jamescooper7272

4 жыл бұрын

@@GunSam thank you by the way for making so many great videos on revolvers. You are converting me into believing the 38 Special to be the best caliber for me. I have been watching a lot of your videos lately and I have been very impressed with what I have seen so far!