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Review! The Emotiva T1+ Floorstanding Loudspeaker
Bring on the detail!
Intro music by: Lenzer - 'Zero Tension'
Emotiva T1+ Product Page:
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Electronics used for this comparison
AMR CD-777 SE
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Denafrips Hestia and Hyperion
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Parasound HALO HINT 6
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Iotavx SA3
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Emotiva BasX A-300
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Muzishare X7
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XTZ Edge A2-300
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Want to get an in-depth look of the T1+? Then check out this Russian channel named Hi-Fi Energy. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYCZp9mal9ebk8o.html. Don't speak Russian? That's cool. There are subtitles. This guy does a great job of taking apart the speaker, showing you all whats inside, and seems to know enough to recognize what's common for the price and what isn't. Absolutely worth your time!
@redstarwraith
4 жыл бұрын
Sean, a question: When you say a speaker is 'warm' is that the opposite of 'bright' or something else? I have heard some people say a speaker sounds 'dark' . . . so maybe that (whatever it is) is the opposite of 'bright'? But what the heck is 'warm'?
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
@@redstarwraith I posted numerous videos about this subject. Videos that almost nobody paid attention to, interestingly enough! I may have to begin linking them to my reviews from now on. So it all has to do with the perception of sound as it relates to how a product (in this case, a speaker) projects sound, the materials it uses, and its measurable frequency response. To simplify this to an almost criminal degree, let me give you a simple overview: A "bright" or "Forward" sounding speaker usually features a measurable bump somewhere in the treble response. Either that, or you will see a dip in the upper midrange which will give you the perception of a prominent treble response even though it's measurably 'flat'. On the flip side, warmth usually refers to the manifestation of a bump somewhere in the midrange or bass region. . Of course, it goes WAY deeper than this... but the above is the general overview.
@redstarwraith
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Thank you, Sean! I think it would be useful to link to older videos. I seem to remember you covering this topic, now that you mention it. I'll go hunting for it. Thanks for the rundown!
@vusstoppyv4612
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I liked the notches in enclosure
I just got the T zeros for my desk. Near field, blended with my subs, the sound quality *and* build quality you are getting for this money is insane, there is no other word. Great speakers.
@joeslacker1020
3 жыл бұрын
Vs studio 570 though
@ufarkingicehole
2 жыл бұрын
@@joeslacker1020 I've owned both. The JBL is still here and the zeros are gone. I can elaborate if anyone cares to know more
@raizt1596
Жыл бұрын
@@ufarkingicehole I'd like to know more. Why do you like the JBL 570 over the T1+?
@hondaphan4172
Жыл бұрын
@@raizt1596 This is a really late response but ufarkingicehole (love the name...LOL) kept the JBL Studio 570's over the Emotiva T Zeros...NOT the T1+.
As a brand ,emotiva is a blessing to many people that need good sound at a reasonable price.
For over 42 years I’ve been living with my Infinity QLS-1’s and I am Amazed Every Day !! Many times I’ll be watching a movie using my Stereo and I’ll stop the movie because of hearing things well off axis ? I’ll replay that section of the movie and realize what I heard is from the DVD I’m playing !! My Infinities create an Amazing Image, Side to Side and Depth !! ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE !!!! My Musical Taste is Very Demanding on a Speaker System !! FRANK ZAPPA !!
Sean, as you’ve gotta know, you’ve got an uncanny ability to explain in detail and in depth, just how speakers and other gear sounds. Enough so, that I would easily buy something upon your recommendation or based on a review of yours, and the comparisons make choices even easier for people. Just the fact that Eric Alexander changed the crossover design of the DI’s after your review really says a lot. As you know, those are now the best selling speakers in the Tekton line, and you definitely had a hand in that. I bought my Pendragons around then, which I still love to this day, and I did so knowing that Eric truly cares and listens to what people really want. I know I’m getting off topic of the Emotivas, but I just wanted to say thank you for all your excellent reviews of HiFi gear. Keep up the great work. Now, if only you were a vinyl guy and reviewed some turntables, cartridges, phono pres, etc. 😉 Happy Easter, and thanks again, man!
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it man. The truth is that the DI's were already selling like hotcakes well before I reviewed them. Like a lot of designers, Eric takes feedback seriously and will investigate problems and do his best to come up with solutions to those problems. All I did was pass along some observations. Some of them I went public with, and others I kept between myself and Eric. Ultimately, he was the one who made the decision to act on it. I did nada! But your comment hits upon I think one of the bigger benefits of an accurate review: If manufacturers are willing to pay attention, it may contribute to them creating a superior product later down the road. Thanks for tuning in this whole time!
@NickP333
4 жыл бұрын
Zero Fidelity Hey, man. Thanks for the reply. I agree very much that manufacturers need to listen to and pay attention to, then possibly (and hopefully) act upon reviews, but by reputable reviewers such as yourself. With more and more of them selling direct, that holds even more true. I love Eric’s designs, and he’s also a great guy. We talked HiFi, but mostly speakers for a good while when I called to order my Pendragons, so he also listens to his customers. Now, that’s the type of company I wanna buy from! As far as the DI’s go, I think ya probably did a lil’ bit more than nada. lol No matter how it happened, thanks for being rather transparent regarding the situation. I’ve heard the DI’s and they sound spectacular. I may eventually upgrade to a pair of em, but I’m enjoying my P’dragons for now. Thanks again, and take care, Sean.
@NickP333
4 жыл бұрын
Zero Fidelity Again, sorry for the lengthy comment. I cut it down a bit.
Sean you do such great reviews. I feel more confident listening to you break down a product than I do listening to something myself.😄
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
haha Thanks Steven!
I have these paired with a tube preamp and the Emotiva A300 amp. Love this combo! Super powerful and clear.
Best review of these speakers on youtube hands down. Great camera filming in the beginning of the video.
Man, I'm not in the market for any budget speakers right now, but the more I hear you talk about those Elacs, the more it sounds like AJ really hit the sweet spot with them. Things will get really interesting if/when they start putting them on sale, probably around Christmas. (Assuming Christmas isn't cancelled this year)
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
He genuinely did a great job with them. The problem is that whenever you create something balanced like that, the general public says: "Yawn. Boring. I WANT COLOUR TY%#&$%#$* %RDSAR#" . That's all well and good. Different tastes and all that, but I think people would be surprised by how pleasant a speaker like that can be over time.
I love my B1 & C1+ speakers so much that I am thinking about grabbing the T1+, using them as my front stage and moving the B1+ to the surround position.
YES YES YES! Thank you so much for taking the time to do what you do, I get so giddy seeing your vids show up on my feed. Your reviews are perfectly thorough yet concise. You are my favorite audio channel and I have been waiting so long for your input on the new Airmotiv lineup. They also just released their new RS13 "Reference" sub and I'm dying to hear a review on it. Happy Easter!
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the enthusiasm Jared!
Great intro man! Great looking speaker, great price tag. 40 lbs = great build quality. Cool that they are good for music, and movies. Just what I need, another pair of speakers! LOL
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Hey man. Please send me an e-mail at: myzerofideity@gmail.com. Thanks!
Ive had these speakers for 2 years and I came into some extra money and wanted to get some better speakers up to $5000.00 went to a speaker dealer and listened to 20 pair of all high end speakers .....I came out of there disappointed and came home without any new speakers and came home to my PERFECT all around EMOTIVA speakers and for the money WOW ......its a perfect balance of sound
@jlm8699
4 жыл бұрын
Are you using the emotiva center channel also
"subtle details..." is exactly why I've become a major Emotiva fan. I'm very sensitive to treble and I love these tweeters. You called them "a little dry", which I can totally understand. One might say "free of soggy mess" instead of "dry" :-) I think these tweeters provide the best imaging I've heard. I've not heard every speaker out there, but these speaker through the DC-1 (or any quality DAC) will leave a smile on your face.
@joeslacker1020
3 жыл бұрын
Studio 570s are priced at 400 a pair though
I own the t1+ and the dbr62. They are both fantastic. I swap them frequently. Elacs have my heart for 70% of music, emotivas are my favorite for all movies and 30% of my music. I really recommend getting both. 😅 They are fantastic opposites.
You are so right about the imaging I listen laying in my couch so my head be at the right speaker and it still sounding as if am still in the sweet spot funny my speakers are almost set up exactly how u mention it here
Wow, great review! I am mostly surprised by how similar your take on this T1+ is to my thoughts on the T2 I owned for a bit. Your bass description was spot on as to what I thought of the T2's as well, so the T2 doesn't solve that riddle. The mid & treble description also matched my T2 thoughts but I won't bore you with the details. Thanks for doing a tower!
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Sean, thanks once again. You know I have said this before but I still think you are the best at these sorts of comments. If you like or are seeking this, you'll like this. If you are looking for this sound, this aspect, they are not your best choice. That is just such a great help for people. Of course it does require that one knows thy self. But for those that know, this is so helpful. Keep up the great work and stay safe, stay home, respect others.
Great review! Thanks for the well-chosen comparisons as well. I'm a university teacher who enjoys bringing film, music, and recorded speech into the classroom in a way that's enjoyable and offers a lot of detail, i.e. using good equipment. With a classroom full of students the off-axis sound is quite important, so I appreciate you commenting on this. Thanks again!
Treble is not “boosted” , it is simply more detailed. When I reviewed these, thy were best 16 in best from the wall, and minimal toe. The Airmotiv tweeter has a wide dispersion pattern.
@luisdaniloancheta2823
4 жыл бұрын
Ryan Herrera I just discovered this over the weekend. At first, I always thought speakers with rear port has to be always away from the wall. So, I’ve been setting this way since then. Until now that I set it up close to the wall I think I get better soundstage and imaging better than away from the wall. And I think I love it😉 Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@chriswelljack4910
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly how I have mine
I've had the T2+ for a couple months, coming from Klipsch RP. Agree with everything here. It's hard to find anything wrong with their sound. I couldn't take the Klipsch piercing my ears anymore. The Emotivas are nice and sweet. Not fatiguing at all. Amazing value. I have the Stealths in my office as well. Similar sound, but the Stealths are a different beast.
@martytoo
4 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a review comparing the T1 to the T2.
@funkyfurballs1078
4 жыл бұрын
I like Klipsch for home theater but not so much for most music. I wish Emotiva still made their powered monitors.
@TH-lo8mq
4 жыл бұрын
@@martytoo I use a sub anyway, but I assume the usual differences between bigger woofers apply. Probably not a huge difference.
As always a faithful review.
Great review, especially the head to head. Would love a comparison to the floor standing version of the Elac Debut Reference (DFR52)
@CeeStyleDj
2 жыл бұрын
Or even the Debut F6
i bought a pair of t1s at the 699 price...then not too long ago emotiva ran a sale on the t1's and got another pair for 399!!! i should have bought 2 more pairs but only bought 1...so i will be using all 4 of them 2 fronts and 2 rears along with the matching center with a 5 cannel emotiva amp...i cant wait to get it set up.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Have fun! I think you're in for a good time.
Shawn, Great review like always. Hope to see more floor standers in the future..
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
hehe. We'll see what my home and back is willing to tolerate! Starting to get old!
Damn this was a good review, you put in work for this one. I really do appreciate the depth you went into.. sometimes you skim or gloss over the finer points but not this time.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm a slow learner, but I do eventually learn.
Great review - love the comparison choices 🙏🏽
I have the 7 speaker emotiva system the t2 towers c2 center e1 side surrounds and b1 rears they totally rock music and movies outstanding I love them
@ufarkingicehole
3 жыл бұрын
How much of a difference between this and the B1+?
Hi Sean, enjoyed your explanation on the speakers. Feel you covered many points in an objective way.
Are you going to review the emotiva airmotiv t2+?
Sean, we're in lockdown. I am expecting one review per day until this quarantine is lifted! Hahahaha! Thanks for this review. I've been waiting on it. Now I'm gonna watch it!
@y.k.9705
4 жыл бұрын
You can't always get what you want. ;)
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Pssssh. I've been too busy watching other videos that are completely unrelated to hi-fi! :D.
@authenticNL2
3 ай бұрын
@@ZeroFidelityO_O
Hi Sean, I agree with other comments on your ability to describe sound characteristics accurately. What I find useful, and what I use as cue, is the description on reference to specific music genres. For example, in what music genre each speaker would be best, what type of instruments. For example, I have the br03 with the IOTAVX. I find it suits the music I listen to perfectly, due to its midrange. That is classical music prominently with string instruments. Rock/jazz. And some old school electronic music, like IDM such as Autechre, break beat, drum and bass. For electronic genres is does well on the bass, but not as well as ELACs on synths. The bro3 is best when vocals and string instruments are prominent. Maybe some reference to instruments/music genres can help convey the sound of a speaker/amp better in the absence of direct experience? Thanks for your great work.
I really wish there were more threeway speakers. I can't say how tired I am of my scooped, bass(punchy) forward speakers. I know nothing of speaker design but with my experience, speakers with a midrange, more articulate correctly, the importance of the ELECTRIC GUITAR of the song. I need detailed electric guitar!
Hey, thanks for the video and Happy Easter.
The mistake Emotiva makes with their speakers is designing them to be 4 Ohms. It scares off people running just AVR's and it comes off as just a loss leader attempt to push people to buy their amplifiers to run them. Make them usable on an AVR. the amp sales will come later. Although, if we are assuming there is some hopeful amplifier sales generation built into the speaker price(which I am assuming), the price would probably have to increase. 4 Ohms is fine when your target market is two channel but thats obviously not the case here. This is all total assumption on my part, of course. Great review, as usual!
@pixel_entity5352
4 жыл бұрын
Many other speaker brands have done the same, including ones that do not sell amps. Most AVR's (except the top of the line models) can not handle 4-ohm loads because of power supply compromises to keep costs down and comply with UL ratings.
@markroze3641
3 жыл бұрын
You can run them with a normal AVR. I’m currently using an entry level Denon. It’s a 5 channel receiver. 75 watts (with 2 channels driven). It’s not even rated for 4 ohm (6-16 ohm). Check out the impedance chart for the t1+. I think the majority of speaker manufacturers would call it a 6 ohm speaker. I do think you’re right about emotiva using the 4 ohm rating to push people toward their amps. Although when I reached out to them and told them my AVR specs they did say it should be fine. So they didn’t try to push me toward their amps. And you’re right about it scaring people off. I was nervous at first myself but then I talked to people who have them and they said it wasn’t an issue, and reached out to emotiva just to be sure. imgur.com/gallery/9MMLMmK
@CC-xu2yz
2 жыл бұрын
@@markroze3641 Yep. My T1's have worked just fine with both a Pioneer and a Denon HT receiver. No trouble driving them or having the amps overheat and/or shut down.
@hondaphan4172
Жыл бұрын
@@CC-xu2yz Thanks for the info. I have Emotiva's C1+ arriving later today and I'm gonna order a pair of T1+'s when they become available again since by everyone's accounts they're just a crazy steal at the summer clearance sale price of $500. I was seriously thinking about getting them several years ago when they were released for $700 but I decided against it and saved my money. And then like everything else they shot up in price considerably and they weren't even an option for me any longer. I now want the T1's badly for my basement HT.
Woo! I've been looking forward to this
I think these would be perfect pairing with my 2 Dayton Audio RSS 12" subwoofers. I will power them with a Kenwood Basic M2 class g/h power amp it powers my subs at the moment
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Yup. I could see that!
Pretty good review! I appreciate that you compared them to bookshelves because as you know it's been a point of contention of mine they basically use the same floor space. So again thanks for doing that 👍🏼 I think what would have been a plus is when you mentioned the bigger model maybe you could have given some spec differences especially when you said these were made with the intention of being used with a sub. Would that still be the case with the bigger model? Lastly, if you're going to mention home theater use why not specify the accompanying match of center and surrounds. Just a thought hommie. Btw you are one of the reviewers out there. Thanks !
When I was 19 years old back in 1976, I bought my first system which consisted of Yamaha NS 500 2-way speakers. I absolutely loved them. Fast forward to 2021. The kids are gone and time to get back into 2 channel sound. Unfortunately, stereo stores don't exist anymore for listening, so reviews are the only source. Paid $825 for the T1+ from Emotiva. These things are garbage !! Found a mint pair of my old Yamahas on Reverb for $550 and jumped on them. A/B'd them with the Emotivas for my wife, who could care less about stereo stuff, and even she couldn't believe the difference. I'm trying to sell the T1+ pigs for $495 and can't unload them. They may go out with the trash before too long.
Hey Sean, Interesting description of the sound on these, I would have thought them to be a bit shrill and thin, but not having heard them, that is just air. You know I'm a detail and tone hound and have not had good experiences with Air Motion tweeters, but that was with Golden Ear Tritons, not with every such speaker. I like my bass to be accurate, clean and quick, not boomy. It would be interesting to put them against Golden Ear Tritons, which I find to be an extreme V shape. Great for HT, but not so good for music. The off axis performance is impressive! Thanks for the link to the Russian review, I'm all over that. :)
I wouldn't consider these entry level at all. Price points influence people too much. As with a lot of different subjects or products, there is expensive garbage, and inexpensive quality.. and everything in between. I would consider these speakers as almost a "2 step" upgrade from something entry level. If someone is just getting into the hobby and purchasing these, they skipped a few steps in the audiophile discovery process and should consider themselves very lucky. I'm just saying! 😎
This could be a great apartment speaker. It sounds good without blasting it and it doesn't have too much base.
If i could EVER locate a pair of Elac Debut F6 towers (version 1.0 - Practically impossible to find even used), For my setup it's between those and For my setup it's between those and these Emotivas. I heard what you said about the bookshelf relax in this review but I don't know what that also applies to the F6. I know you really really liked the F6. I'm the type of person that likes the sound of what people have been describing of these Emotiva T1+ AND The Elac F6's...so I'm like: "Ummm....." Really not sure what to do I have no way possible to test either of them them in person (Due to the extremely limited availability of finding the F6s, and the fact that the Emotiva is direct to consumer (online only). I have essentially every component I need for my hi-fi setup except for my speakers
I recently replaced passive speakers (Event 20/20's) in my home studio with Adam Audio A7X powered monitors that also employ folded ribbon tweeters. I am extremely impressed with them. It is a 2.1 setup with an Adam Sub10 so it is definitely a full-range system.
Now you can review the HTD speakers with an AMT as well.
@joelopez7459
3 жыл бұрын
nobody ever does lol
I absolutely despise “bright” sounding speakers and I do not think that the emotiva speakers are bright at all. I think they sound very well balanced. I have both speakers pointed right at me, tweeters ear level with the grilles off and I hear no brightness. I don’t hear the booster treble he’s referring to. Definitely clear, crisp highs. Great detail. But not bright to me. No fatigue. Honestly, there was nothing offensive at all about these speakers. Just a good balanced sound signature.
@harveylin3548
3 жыл бұрын
It's not V shaped like HTD and Kilpsch, right? How is the bass, does it actually go as low as they advertised?
That emotiva is crazy value. A raal type foam arrangement may sort the brightness out
I am familiar with your reviews so I sought you out on purpose. The two speakers I am considering for my dedicated 2-channel system are these and the ELAC Debut 2.0 F6.2. My room is 12' wide and 14' deep with my listing spot ABOUT 9' away.
I picked up the T1 for $499 when they were closing them out, and I don't think I'll ever sell them because of the value for the performance. I've picked up a few more pairs of speakers, but I still love these for what they are.
@orwhat24
4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Tongret me too!!!
@jmakc3541
4 жыл бұрын
Same here. Been about a year now. I thought they sounded a bit bloated on the low end in my system at first, but they've really smoothed out with time. I find them inviting and only harsh on bad recordings or super-loud passages in upper register. What I did notice was a strange vibration at a very specific frequency coming from one speaker. Especially from vocals. I took that speaker apart and taped down wires coming from the x-over to the tweeter and the vibration sound went away. Don't know if wires or something loose...
Nice review Sean , I mean to get a tower with Folded ribbon Tweeters and 3/4th inch mdf board with nice size drivers for $600.00 US is pretty outstanding , Espically if you like that clean forward presentation with nice mid-bass , That was interesting that the off axes sounded good no matter where you at in the room 😆 And if this price includes shipping than Wow! Bet you had fun bringing these up stairs 😆 dam towers going to break our backs !
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Do you plan on covering them? I notice you already covered some Emotiva gear. Yep, the construction of em' is crazy!
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Hey Sean , No i want be covering these Emotiva towers , But awesome review by the way buddy 😆 I am about to review the JBl- Studio 580s tower speakers, JBL has been having crazy sale prices again on their Studio 5 series, I think its getting close to E.O.R , end of run sale , But yeah dropping review of 580s hopefully tomorrow . Ohh the 580s pared up great with the IOTA STACK . One last thing stop making these reviews look so easy dang it !! 😆 Stay safe buddy thanks again .
Phase coherent may be the terminology for the sound character being similar when seated, or standing on/off axis. M&K used a "phase-focused crossover design". Very consistent sound across the sound stage, whether seated direct center, or directly in front of the speaker. Sure the soundstage shifts due to the stereo image, but timbre and volume level remains consistent.
I'm hoping this Emotiva update means they're going to bring back more speaker models... maybe like ELAC, offering more upscale models.
Excellent video. I would love to see a shoot out between this one and some of the Elac, Wharfedale Linton and others at $1500 and under. Looks like a good value for sure.
I like how these look.
Sounds like a great deal.
How would you compare this to the Tekton Mini Lore?
Nice job! I love my MaritnLogan Folded Motion tweeters. So clear and sharp, they could cut you. Thanks for the reviews.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy dem Logans!
Sean, this is one case is which a simple, quick frequency response measurement would really be useful. So when you say that the treble is tilted up it would be nice to know if this is an objective, measurable phenomenon, rather than just a by-product of their voicing or something else entirely. For example, I used to be a big Paradigm fan, but I always thought that the treble seemed exaggerated. Then I measured them. And, yea!, it was exaggerated, at least on the 2 or 3 models that I measured.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
A *reliable*, in-room FR graph won't be able to determine the difference between the speaker voicing and other contributing variables. I do get what you're laying down though.
@tlhuffman
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Sean, in-room frequency response measurements are difficult to make accurately, but that is primarily in the bass. Near field measurements @ 1 kHz and above should be fine within reasonable tolerances and excess treble energy really shows up. I just wonder if the airy, spacious, and detailed reproduction of the Heil folded ribbon can be subjectively mistaken for excess response.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
@@tlhuffman The difficulty is all the way around. If you put the mics close to the speaker, you'll get odd results that do not at all translate to what you will hear at a more realistic listening distance. If you set the mics where your head is at, now 50% of the sound that you're picking up isn't even directly from the speaker. Sure, you can do outdoor measurements, but that again, will not replicate what somebody will hear in the real world. I'm not trying to invalidate in-room FR plots. They are the easiest to understand graph, but also the most misleading in my experience. Especially when taken from amateurs outside of anechoic environments. As for the folded ribbon: Bumping up the treble will always provide a sense of "more detail" even if it's delivery is somewhat forced/artificial in nature. Doesn't matter what the high frequency driver is. Couple that voicing to the natural behavior of an AMT and the use of Kapton mylar, and you've got the perfect recipe for a very prominent top-end.
@tlhuffman
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity The only reason I even mentioned this is that a lot of speaker manufacturers are using AMT tweeters these days--Golden Ear Triton speakers are a good example. I think that this is the first review that I have encountered that noted a bumped-up treble response for this type of driver. I would just be interested to know if that subjective reaction is the result of an actual exaggerated response or simply an artifact of the unique way that AMTs render treble. I decided to take a near field and far field measurement of my speakers (Tekton Ulfberhts) to explore this further. The Ulfberht uses a conventional soft dome tweeter. Here are the results. www.chromapure.com/bugtest/Comparison.jpg As you can see, for the most part the far field/near field measurements are quite similar with one difference. In the near field, there is a steadily rising response of about 5db in the treble starting at about 4.5k. I didn't measure above 10k. However, in the far field, close to the listening position, that rising response is almost completely gone. 3k to 10k is nicely flat. The response around the crossover region is a little bumpy, but the treble is fine. This tells me something. Speakers should probably measure with a somewhat exaggerated treble in the near field (1 M) because by the time the sound reaches the listening position--especially if you have some soft, sound absorbing material in the room (I have a thick carpet in this room)--much of that excess energy will have dissipated.
sadly as of about 4 to 5 days after this video, the T1+ is not available so if you want these speakers, you'd have to spep up to the slightly higher end T2+ speakers that are $1000 a pair which has slightly better base response for those not wanting to or able to get or place subwoofers in their listening area.
Sounds like a rocking speaker with dual subs in medium size room. 60% H.T 40% music? Great deal for us Canadian with free Shipping. Without free Shipping be over the top.
AMT tweeters have wide dispersion compared to a dome or especially a horn. Because of that you'll get a lot of side wall reflections if they point straight ahead.
@bilguana11
4 жыл бұрын
A round waveguide would help with dispersion on AMTs so look elsewhere like ELACs.
@martytoo
4 жыл бұрын
@@bilguana11 Which models are you suggesting?
@bilguana11
4 жыл бұрын
@@martytoo Any with AMT drivers: Carinas, Velas. I have the 407s - wonderful!
@martytoo
4 жыл бұрын
@@bilguana11 I have been wondering why no KZread reviewers have looked at the Carinas.
Yes up off the floor is good. I got my towers 3 ft off the floor, horizontal. Not standing. Try that.
Will a denon avr-s760h be ok with this? also i watch a lot of 80s horror remastered blu-ray z will these work well with home theatre and gaming. music is last.
Nice review. I want to buy these to replace my broken B&W 703s. (kids destroyed the tweeters) For anyone who does use a sub here is my experience. I built a theater room and when I tested my B&W speakers I found that they had a big drop at 65hz-55hz. I found where my sub (JL audio Fathom f13) had a boost at 65-55hz. The hand off when setting the crossover at 65hz was awesome. If your room is a normal room then even if you have a huge speaker that can play to 20hz, the room modes will have drops above that. It taught me that a big speaker might not always be the best option although I know 2 channel listening with big speakers is still super cool even if the bass isn't perfect. If anyone has these speakers let me know what you think of them. I'm looking to by very soon.
Possibly your best review...so far. IMHO. Thank you. Any chance of you getting an Outlaw Audio 2160 to review with this pair of loudspeakers before you have to return them?
Would this be an upgrade from a Triangle BR03 if I have a subwoofer?
Emotive T2 or PSB X2T? Which yould you recommend
I hope you got some sponsorship deal, after watching the review, going to purchase within the next week
@jlm8699
4 жыл бұрын
So did you get the T1+ ? What do you think Thank you
Sean, the Bro 8s or the Elac towers in this version? Is there a tower you would recommend in the $1k yo $1.5k range? I prefer a warmer presentation with no fatigue. Can RAAl tweeters be bright or brighter than metal dome tweeters? Going to go with the Unico Hybrid in case you have a recommendation on pairing and getting dedicated a DAC like you mentioned before on your live feed. When is the next one? Thank you Sir!
These will be on the closeout list in not much time on the Emotiva website. Will be a deal at $200/pr.
@jmakc3541
4 жыл бұрын
The T1s were on closeout for $499 last fall.
@JEG6919
4 жыл бұрын
@@jmakc3541 Wait until the COVID discount kicks in.
Sounds interesting probably a bit of a sleeper with some tweaking here and there. See what it's like if you swap the connectors on the tweeter internally changing it's polarity calm it down a bit won't be so aggressive, Looking at it looks like you should be higher than 2 " 5"- 6" might be better Did you try tilting them back 5 degrees? Do you know who makes the driver's you said German
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Altering the polarity won't do anything good, but, you could easily put in some low-value resistors in-line with the tweet to take things down a notch. Or to promote something that's not warranty busting, somebody could bi-amp the speakers. Just run a smooth/rolled off sounding amp to the top terminals, and that may do the trick as well. Or.. and this is what I'd encourage the most.. you try what I explained in the video, and get your ears situated between the AMT and the midrange cone, and then experiment with placement. Lots of options.
@johnsweda2999
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity it does actually changed the phase characteristics of the tweeter I've not tried it on ribbon tweeters but works on piston drivers can work a treat the Instance slam is going inwards not coming outwards. Yes could add a resistor in Direct Line half an Ohm to an 1.2 Ohm I think a bit more stuffing would be good for the mid-range maybe 50% as well wool fleece, does it sound boxy if you disconnect the woofers the midrange? What I don't like is the tweeter shares the mid-range crossover a 0.1 poly film capacitor across the midrange before the induction coil might help give you some more deeper mid-range
So this Emotiva sounds just like the Tekton Double Impact! Amazing, for only $699!
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Naw. The Emotiva has.a completely different sound. Still a good value though.
@AdrianIII
4 жыл бұрын
Zero Fidelity - Completely different? Your description of the Emotiva sound was strikingly similar to your description of the Tekton sound.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
@@AdrianIII - Tektons DI's are significantly better. Not nearly as tilted up and if anything, fairly easy going along the top end. Extremely fast midrange and bass thanks to the low-mass Eminence drivers. A bit more warmth. Extraordinarily easy to work with. Naw man, there's quite a few differences.
@AdrianIII
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Thanks. Yes.... someone compared the Tekton DIs favorably against $10-30K speakers. Must be something good about them. Although, Steve G wasn't thrilled with them.
Sean, like so many comments here and elsewhere, do these speakers (or the B1+s too), require "break -in" time? 40, 60 or 80 hours that will affect the speaker? I'm 69 YO and was settled on my original "high end" stereo system in the LR: NAD 1300 Preamp, NAD 2600 Amp, Dual CS5000 TT, Onkyo 6 Disk CD player, connected to KEF 104/2 Tower speakers - all purchased in 1987 - sounding Great. So now I'm setting up my Basement Studio (COVID Hibernation will do that !!! - and worse in retirement ), buying new equipment including Speakers of course. Until recently, I never heard of Speakers Breaking In? Is that really a Thing?
What are some of the good floorstanding speakers with relatively high sensitivity (my amp only puts out 35 watts) under $1000 and under $2000?
Hi, Sean. You think these will pair good with the Xtz edge better than the other amps i.e. the IOTAVX the you reviewed before. Thanks.
Thanks for your review! Do you ever bi-amp when testing? Just curious what your thoughts on that is. Thanks again!
Sean, IYO, B1+s or T0+s ? Ia the $229 to $399 price tag worth it is Sound Value and differences...
I just find the Elac to be so pretty. Not sure why. But I just do.
@ronaldrice2936
4 жыл бұрын
Cause they are 😁, I own UFB5's but the sounds what's matters,👍
I am looking at the T3+. Not much really out on them. Any thoughts?
Thx for the vid!!
Is it Covid compliant? : )
Are AV receivers typically not ideal for 2 channel music listening? music through my Sony AVR-DN1050 just doesn't sound as full and rich as I would like and I believe it's the receiver because my pl980 towers sound great at times so I know they can produce the sound and granted there's more speakers playing but the 2 front channesl sounds totally different and seem to wake up when I select multi channel stereo. The bass just seems weak on 2 channel but at times on movie modes I think my sub is still on just set lower and realize it's off so I know the towers can make great low end.. I have thought of setting up my dad's old pioneer SX 8 something I inherited on lower or higher shelf and put my front towers on a selector switch so they can be used on either the SX or my AV, does anybody ever do that? I just think that older stereo will make my towers sound on music like they should...
If Adam Audio made a budget passive floorstander. Still, a good AMT tweeter and decent mid/bass drivers always make for an interesting listen.
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. This certainly has an Adam Audio-type sound to it.
@tremot7143
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity I think Adam has some amazing products, so even if these is a bit less neutral or resolving, for the price they are simply exceptional. Paired with a Class D amp, this is one of the best ways you can get into Hi-Fi.
Thanks again for another great review. Could you help me figure out which one would work better in my room? I am trying to make up my mind between the T2+ and the T1+ in my 26 by 13.5 room using the C2+ center with the Emotiva XPA-3 Amp driving the front 3 and an Onkyo RZ-50 driving the rest of a 7.2.4 atmos system.
@josefernandez2722
2 жыл бұрын
I am also using 2 subs with this system.
Are these a lot better than the Polk T50s you have reviewed? It seems the Polk T50s are super underrated!
Canton 496.2 gle version 2 or these? I have emotiva xpa gen 3 2 channel for them.
Thanks Sean - What’s the driver material Kurve (sp?) ??
How are these compared to the Martin Logan Motion speakers?
@Zero Fidelity great job bro & do you have any power cord that you would want to seal if not let me know what kind to get. I'm looking for 5 to 6 feet Male to Female Power Cord, Power Cable for Subwoofer.??
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Ya know, for an audiophile/reviewer, I don't have nearly as many cables as you'd think. I have nothing to sell. Quite frankly man, the only aftermarket power cords I've experienced that I whole heartedly recommend are from Pangea. The AC9 is an absolute beast. I LOVE it. The 14 is also good if you need some flexibility.
@HPMIKE55
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity ok cool thanks & keep up the great job!
Great review Any suggestions for a pair under $2000? Thanks
@CeeStyleDj
Жыл бұрын
Check out the T2+ instead of the T1+
Are these speakers worth the $200+ jump in price 5 months later?
Nice review but I will stick to my Thiel cs22 and my Snell type D..... 😊😊😊
You need to find a single family Ranch-style house. Plenty here in Calif.
I just purchased the Emotiva XPA-DR3 , with free shipping to Canada and at $2800. Canadian not sure how much I'll be paying for duties. Can't wait for this massive beast. Emotiva with the free shipping pretty well sold me, very smart decision on there part. Speakers may be next? How well are they for home theater?
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Hope the DR3 works for ya! HT is fine with them.
@ross5506
4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity I finally received my XPA-DR3, I had no idea how much of a beast this amp is. I still have my Bryston 4B from 1991 it's no slouch, but this DR3 just has more off everything. Emotiva has given me about $600.credit towards my next purchase, my room for now is just under 1600 cubic feet, having new dual SVS-SB 2000, slowly building my system What would you suggest for front 3 speakers? I was going get the monolith 365THX package, but now with $600. on my next purchase, it's no brainier. Music & H.T is 50/50. Great review Sean. 🇨🇦
I have the T 1. Powered by parasound new classic 275. Great with movies. Don’t find too much treble at all.
@tydendurler9574
4 жыл бұрын
May i ask your age? My father has the T1 too, and i get the feeling his hearing (he's 57) is degrading as in he seems to hear less & less treble. My point being that for those kinda people a "brighter sounding" speaker may be a perfect match🤔
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Glad ya like it!
@jmakc3541
4 жыл бұрын
@@tydendurler9574 Not to answer for Stephen, but I'm 46. I have the T1's and I don't find them overly bright, either. For perspective, I'm currently using a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 220's at my desk simply b/c they were the warmest-sounding speaker that worked in a near-field for me. This is after auditioning the Emotiva B1+ and returning them b/c I DID find them too bright for a near-field application. I just don't like bright speakers and I have no real issue with the T1s in that area... given they are in a large room full of various wall hangings and curtains and furniture and rugs, so, I'm sure it's all relative to ear and environment.
@orwhat24
2 жыл бұрын
@@tydendurler9574 I am old! And I don’t find these overly bright at all. But. Neither am I. I think the bass is very adequate, at least in my room, for the price and market position. My ears test pretty ok, and I do have some high frequency tinnitus, so I’m not sure how that all comes out. I don’t like excessive highs though from anything! But these are not fatiguing. These speakers sound great for home theater, but I’m hoping to contrast them with something different for two channel music. Zu Dirty Weekend or Maggie LRS are two extremes I’m interested in. At disco volumes these are pretty excellent! Sorry I didn’t see your response until now!
Thanks Sean great review! Cheers! 🍻
no grills?
Do you know how these would stack up with Dali iKon 6 mk2? Both of these are similar in price
@ZeroFidelity
4 жыл бұрын
Nope
I wonder if anyone has heard the wharfedale Evo 4.1 with amt tweeter and a comparison with the elac debit reference
If put B2+ with those to home cinema are that a Best use to Sony 1080 Reciver ??
@niclaslindman
3 жыл бұрын
B1+