I have the Thursday Vanguard in Horween Indigo Chromexcel. Out of the box comfort. Really love my Thursdays

I agree with your bootlosophy. Anyone who cares about the leather cork leather combination superiority probably has more than 10 pairs of heritage boots which makes longevity redundant. Those 10+ rotating boots will basically never wear out. It might be 10 years before even needing a reheel. You have to worry more about being able to break in all those boots which could be never if you have 50+ boots. Poron is fine if you have a big rotation.

@Vultain

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I tend to keep 3 primary boots with a 4th as needed for extra dry time. But it takes forever even that way before I need a resole.

@UnknownUser-rb9pd

Жыл бұрын

I think Poron is fine in most circumstances. It is very resilient and much better than the foams used in the 1980s and 1990s for sneakers. Modern foams are used in running shoes and when you run the impact on your feet is up to three times your body weight and they can take a lot of abuse. In addition it should be noted that these have a leather midsole the same as more traditional boots and also poron in the welt cavity which can be replaced the same as cork when a re-sole takes place. So if the insole cushioning goes flat it still provides the same or more cushioning than a traditional boot and it's not as if a leather insole provides much cushioning . There were people reporting that there Thursday Boots had gone flat in the early days (though not so much now) but I suspect that was down to having a lot of cushioning and then losing some of it. There will of course be other factors like the weight of the person, how they walk, how they treat their boots (rotate, allow to dry etc.) which will decide how a boot wears.

@Vultain

Жыл бұрын

@@UnknownUser-rb9pd Agreed for most people. I tend to burn out Poron and even get Plantar Fasciitis from it. But then again I am not the market segment Thursday is targeting.

@UnknownUser-rb9pd

Жыл бұрын

@@Vultain I am somebody with a LOT of boots like Teik and don't do manual work, so my boots don't get a lot of wear compared to some people but I own more Thursday boots than any other brand and still buy them even though I own multiple boots from brands such as Crockett and Jones, Cheaney, Carmina, Viberg, Grant Stone etc. I really think that for most people, regardless of market segment, modern foams like poron are a good alternative. And even Viberg were found to be using foam in the welt cavity of their boots. Poron is not a cheaper alternative to cork for instance which is itself full of rubber or synthetic binding agents and as far as I can tell Poron costs more (obviously don't know wholesale prices). There will be some people like yourself who need a very firm footbed for support but there is this mantra in the boot world of traditional good, modern bad and cushioning is really bad. Then half these people change their sole to a well cushioned, synthetic, Vibram Christy sole because their traditionally made boots are too hard if worn all day. Another myth is that your boots are going to be re-soled indefinitely and your leather insole is never going to wear out and I've seen enough videos from Bedos or Trenton and Heath to know that most people destroy their uppers in a couple of re-soles (often by neglect) and that insoles crumble away after repeatedly getting soaked with sweat over the years.

@Vultain

Жыл бұрын

@@UnknownUser-rb9pd I absolutely agree! Even if you use something like Lincoln EZ cleaner and Dubbin Graise or Saphir Sole Guard on a 6 month to 12 month basis the insole will eventually rot due to salt damage. My feet sweat a lot so 7 years in a 3 day rotation is all l get. At that point unless it is something like Nick's you have to decide with the years left on the upper is it worth rebuilding? As you said as well. Most people assume with a good year welt they can do infinite resoles. For me at work I can destroy a welt if I am not careful. So sometimes 3 resoles is my max just because you can only have an welt added so many times. Sometimes I get 6 out of them but rare. Shockingly I don't usually destroy the upper on decent boots. But then again I keep an active eye on things, clean when needed, brush after each wearing and make sure they are dried first, then tree'd. I've definitely seen the end in sight but usually the footbed has cracked at that point. I completely see where you are coming from! Poron is great for a lot of people who don't need the stability that comes from sturdier materials. I get I am more of an outlier than anything. I do own a lot as well. I own Nick's, lots of Red Wing, I own a pair of Thursday's(used for cycling or errands mostly), Parkhurst, Oak Street, two Grant Stone Field Boots(I love this last), but I've owned Thorogood and Chippewa, etc. I tend to work in most of my boots and the dress boot sees seldom use due to me working Sundays and six days a week and 11+ hour days. So funerals, marriages, and the like are all I really get to pull them out for(Allen Edmonds vintage, Beckman, Williston, etc.) I absolutely agree Poron for how a lot of people wear and own their boots is more than fine. Most people don't put the time and effort into care to make anything more worthwhile. While I have a big collection overall I mostly wear an Oiled Latigo Nick's, recently one of the Grant Stone Field Boots(Doming), another Nick's, A Redwing, as my go to with usually trading out something I'm breaking in. I could probably downsize to owning 5 things that fit and be good between having things at the cobbler and what not. Plantar Fasciitis is my main issue with Poron but only when I am on my feet on concrete all day. Thanks for all your insight and I agree I'm not the normal. I think more people would benefit from 3 good boots rather than one customized Nick's as long as the last fits them well and they sized correctly. Quantity is better, until you own so much you start to shift to quality.

I have a pair of these in Horween Indigo CXL, which is simply gorgeous leather. I find myself often gravitating towards these as a daily boot for the office, fits nicely in the 'office casual' environment and offer a great colour contrast. Super comfy from day one, and seem to be well constructed, despite a single missed welt stitch in one of the boots. I agree with your opinion on them, they are a solid value for the price point.

Fantastic videos!! Most thorough boot guy out there - the channel should grow fast!

Great review, thanks!

Awesome review!

This is a fantastically accurate (from my experience with a pair of captains) review of the last and foot comfort. The toe box being mildly uncomfortable has been my experience.

especially like the size and comfort section of this review

How good is it to see another Aussie talking about boots! I have been wearing boots for over 25 years and didn't know there was such a big fuss about them. What I have learnt is that RMWs offer a certain style and fit and if that doesn't suit you, like me, well, bad luck. Also there are lots of boot companies out there that make very nice looking boots that will fall apart on you after just a year of heavy wear. (Not RMWs though - they just wouldn't fall apart no matter how hard I tried!) Then along comes Thursday Boots - good looking, hard wearing and fairly priced so that you can buy a couple of pairs to give them a rest and change up your look when you want to. I have found that all boots have built-in compromises (even Mercedes cars do!) and the guys at Thursday seem to have gotten the balance of their compromises just about right, for me at least and certainly for the price. Thank you Teik. I enjoyed watching your video. You are a man of many talents!

Hi Teik. Thanks for this and I enjoy your content! One thing I’ve noticed with a couple of my seconds pairs, is that the quarters can be misaligned. When looking straight down on your boots, this can be noticed when examining the quarters and eyelets. It appears that might be the case on your right Vanguard boot, but it’s tough to tell on video. Nothing others would notice, but I’ve found that can be a reason, versus just stitching or scuffs, etc.

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

I ran and had a look! Ha ha! No, I don't think the quarters are misaligned, but the toe caps are SLIGHTLY "off". I guess seconds are a bit of everything.

Thanks so much for the review and support, it means a lot!

Great Video. I bought the captains and will need to try out the Vanguard. I believe that particular boot is made in my home state of Arkansas. Blessings!

@jamestapscott9400

6 ай бұрын

I purchased a pair of Vanguards in 2023 and found them to run a half size larger than my Brannock device size. Also, the heel feels extremely tall. I returned them for a pair of Captain's.

Just ordered these same boots, not factory seconds really excited to get me feet on these.

I've been covering a pair of Diplomats in this leather. It really is quite lovely

I wore my pair today. I love how you can absolutely beat the crap out of this leather and it recovers very well. Your pair are a bit darker than mine. Probably from your leather treatment. I do wish it was a leather insole. It's funny how many compliments I get when wearing these boots in comparison to all my more expensive makers.

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

"Darker than yours" because of treatment (guilty sigh, yes!) 😜

@treygreenleaf7878

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootlosophy hahaha! I do agree with you on the toes being a bit smashed. An 8D is just a tad loose and a 7.5D doesn't have enough room in the toes

Hi Teihoh! I really enjoy your posts and video's. Being new to the "boot game", I've been watching and reading everything I can get my hands on. After some consideration, I've made my first four purchases (Thursdays Captain & Presidents, Beckett Simonon and a pair of Oliver Cabell) As you can see, all are entry level quality. One subject I've not seen much on is storage. Should they be stored in the box? With boot trees or not. Is open air better? Out of direct sunlight? Should certain leathers not be stored long term next to other leathers? Just looking for a little insight. Thanks again and keep the knowledge coming.

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

You’re going to find a hundred theories. Personally I’m not strict about storage. I prefer to keep them out of boxes to air.

Great video, thank you. I would love to know what your favorite boots are out of your 70 boot collection. Maybe a top 10 is on the horizon?

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I could choose a favourite boot - bit like choosing your favourite child or grandparent Ha Ha. But a top 10? Hmm, I think I could do that, yeah, I'll put it on the list! Thanks.

Good video, and I agree with your review. I recently got into boots, and my first pairs were the RW 1907 Mocs and the Truman Java waxed flesh. I wanted something rough for work (office work but am out in the field regularly), but found myself babying my boots and not wanting to wear them in bad weather. I like the idea of these as factory second as a pair to just beat up. The color after conditioning them also looks really good, I like that mid brown that goes with many outfits. This might be my next boot purchase, something more more formal than what I have now. Question though, I noticed you have reviewed Truman boots. Are the vanguards narrower than the Trumans? Thanks!

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

Yes definitely narrower at the ball of the foot than the Truman 79 last

Thursday does make the vanguard in smooth grain uppers… French Roast, Color # 8, indigo

"In the long run, we're all dead" 😂😂😂

I am looking at the Vanguard and it is now available with French Roast Chromexcel Horween. I wonder if that option would make it more well suited for "dressing up".

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

I think it would!

Since you have both the Captain and the Vanguard Thursday's Boots. What is your opinion about the long term comfort. I know that tough, durable boots are hard to break-in, I wear a Pacific Northwest style of Boot daily and the break-in was challenging but worth it. I really do appreciate how comfortable and well fitting they are now. How do your Vanguards compare in long term comfort and durability? I'm not interested in out-of-the-box comfort. Thanks. Great boot reviews, among the best I've seen and I'm surprised you don't have more followers. Good stuff!

What colour are the boots shown at 3:10? Great video

Any thoughts on the Thursday Captain in Horween CXL? seems like a nice leather and the only Horween option before stepping up in price (and losing the speed hooks) to the Vanguard. The vanguards in Horween also look lovely Colour #8 and french roast and Indigo all look lovely although French Roast new looks to be similar to what the natural captain may age into?

@Bootlosophy

10 ай бұрын

Can’t go wrong with CXL

A quick question. I have a very narrow foot (B/C width) and have a hard time finding boots narrow enough for a good fit because so few boot companies produce narrow size widths. That being said, you have both the captains and the Vanguard so I wanted to know if one of the boots tended to fit more narrow than the other. Thank you for your time and I enjoy watching your videos!

@Bootlosophy

2 ай бұрын

Both about the same for me but the Captain in brown stretch’s bit more

Nice boots

They look similar to redwing merchant. Cool leather bracelet we're did you get it if I may inquire? Thank You for sharing

@Bootlosophy

11 ай бұрын

Dalesleatherworks.com

Where can I find Thursday 2nds? Loved the review too! 🙏

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

Contact Thursday and they’ll give you an URL

@jkplara1992

Жыл бұрын

Hey Thank you for the response 😁 I'll definitely reach out to them for that. Thank you!

I have pair of Vanguards in French Roast Chromexcel Horween, and they are still available

@aradoran

Жыл бұрын

I do as well and I love the color of that leather. Problem on mine is they’re too tight on my toes. Guess I need the E width

I wish I could get the vanguard but the last is too narrow and always squishies my pinky

I have 4 pairs of Captains, one vanguard and now a pair of Made in America Logger boot and these Loggers from Thursday is definitely a notch above all the others! You should absolutely get you a pair of the loggers if your keen to the PNW style boots. Which I am.

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

Noted!!!!

So you replaced the laces? Cause when you go onto Thursdays website they use leather laces for the vanguards.

I like the look of the vanguard a little bit more than the captains.

@vhockada

Жыл бұрын

I agree. You should get a pair of Loggers made in America they’re amazing

@Sarah_Kinz

Жыл бұрын

@@vhockada I have a pair of them! They're amazing. I actually cycle with them and wear them when hanging around town, they are so stylish and really supportive. Even in cold weather. I just don't like the thin heel, it'll probly need replacing in a year. other than that it's a solid af boot. If I didn't love them so much I'd love to wear them to work, it just doesn't feel right wearing sneakers anymore now that I have loggers 😂 they're my adventure boot. They also clean up very well with venetian shoe cream! I read somewhere that this particular shoe cream is how they get that dark look with the waxed cocao? It's an easy way to restore the dark look of that particular style without doing something like melting wax. 🤟

I can only afford a few high quality boots. I'll wait for my local Red Wing dealer has another sale. I want some 875s.

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

Red Wing 875s are top boots!

@matttherrien9608

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootlosophy I won't let the horror stories about break in dissuade me.

@aradoran

Жыл бұрын

@@matttherrien9608 Don’t be dissuaded. But also don’t do something stupid like wear them for an all day hike on Day 1. Wear them frequently and for short periods initially for the break in, even in the house. I didn’t have any issues with the iron ranger other than a pressure spot on the side of the foot due to my foot shape.

@matttherrien9608

Жыл бұрын

@@aradoran ive been my Rangers for four months now and they feel great. If they only get better from here that would be great! I don't know what else I'll want after that. I'll find something🇨🇦

@aradoran

Жыл бұрын

@@matttherrien9608 If you’re going for more work/heavy duty, it seems like Nicks, whites, Truman’s are popular…I can’t speak from experience on those. On the dressier side you can’t go wrong with Grant Stone, Parkhurst, or Allen Edmonds Higgins Mill…those have been good to me. All higher quality than Thursday but at a price.

It drives me crazy when people compare boots in completely different price ranges. I think its only a good idea if the boot is priced for 200 but is made like a 100 or a 300 dollar boot. I see this a lot with motorcycles too but that's a whole other beast lol.

vanguard and captains wears the same? Wearing captains in us 9

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much, but I find the Vans slightly narrower at the toe cap.

I got my Thursdays back when they didn't offer that many options. I am considering replace the materials of foot bed then, and add a thick leather mid sole. One mistake I did ordering mine was I ordered same size I wear on sneakers, because of that they run a little bigger.

I sold my Vanguards in Burnt Copper because they had a real issue with stability (consequence of their narrow fit). Because the edge of my foot was so close to the edge of the actual boot, I was rolling my ankle very easily and nearly falling with alarming regularity. The rogue rock on a sidewalk was often the culprit. Mine also had a QC issue of a very tall heel (mine were factory firsts) and I had a cobbler bring it from 5 layers of stacked leather in the heel down to 3 before selling. I wanted to love them because their aesthetic was beautiful. They were my first and last Thursday boots. Should I give Thursday another shot?

@EssenceofPureFlavor

Жыл бұрын

If you like the profile, try Truman. They're pretty similar design, but much better build quality and finishing. They had some issues in their first couple years, but since moving to Oregon have been very solid. They are quite a bit more expensive though. Allen Edmonds' Higgins Mill is another one to consider. MSRP is about the same as Truman, but they do sale prices all the time and can easily be had for 50% off if you time it right. Part of the reason for that though I think is because like Thursday, they don't necessarily have the best QC either.

@cmiller7299

Жыл бұрын

@@EssenceofPureFlavor Already have the AE Higgins Mill and it's one of my favorites! I guess I'm wondering if people who have had the Vanguard find that other models have a better/wider fit.

I have the same issue with the stitching on my Vanguards. Loose threads started to be pulled out of the holes with time. It's not a good quality built. I would say these boots are a beautiful dish, poorly executed, tasting aweful with amazing ingredients.

bad comparison ofc Toyota beats Mercedes and not the other way around haha never seen a Mercedes go over the 300k km but seen many Toyota's do it tho good review haha

@Bootlosophy

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Personally I’ll take a Beckett Simonon over Thursday any day of the week. Although I do like their Cavalier Chelsea. Another great review, thanks.👞🤘😎

@ryanteigne901

Жыл бұрын

They’re both great places to purchase shoes/boots. I have a couple oxfords from Beckett that I love.

@grebewater

Жыл бұрын

Beckett Simonon does dress boots extremely well for their price. I don’t think they do rugged quite so well. If I’m wearing slacks, I’ll be wearing Beckett Simonon. I’m more likely to be wearing my Thursday boots when I’m wearing jeans. I would say that I like Beckett Simonon’s leather better, but the build quality is very similar.

@davidcallan7844

Жыл бұрын

@@grebewater I have loafers and their dress moc toe. I find there QC and build quality much higher and although Blake stitched their materials are better quality for the price. Just my opinion, gave Thursday an honest try and I’d rather buy a pair of Johnston & Murphy’s, I actually found them mostly uncomfortable and the materials were lacking even for the price. I tried the President, the Duke and the Cavalier. I like the cavaliers. Maybe it’s just my feet, to each their own.👍🤘😎👞

If you are E then get the D standard in Thursdays.