My next espresso machine for sure. Too bad I just got a Barista Express XL for x-mas but love, love, love it. So, it'll be awhile. Thanks for the review!

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Elisabeth, You are welcome and thanks for your comment!

Super video: Clear, crisp, information-dense, and beautifully edited!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Geoff, Thanks for the comment! Marc

This was the best video I’ve watched on the barista touch. Thank you!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi NN, Wow, thank you! Marc

Bought this at Christmas..... Whole Latte Love happening in our home now. Freaking Love this machine. My latte art needs work but it still tastes great. Sale priced with a 99 cent 3 yr extended warranty....easy buy decision for me. Marc, you and a few other folks helped make it pretty easy so Thanks!!! Presets are great but I'm a tweaker.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Randy, Happy to help and hear a whole latte love is happening in your home! Marc

I bought this machine so I could make lattes for my wife and Americanos for myself . . . but I have since become addicted to lattes myself. This machine makes it simple. We burned up a bunch of ground coffee from our older drip stock and switched easily to whole bean. It's still quicker than our drip machine . . . but not for a multiple cup pot. But who would ever go back to a potful of black coffee when you can have a custom brew in less than two minutes? I'm not making flowers and swans in the froth . . . but I am making delicious coffee. I do Zentangle for art. Get me a coffee while my eyes are still crusty and I am taking my maintenance medications in the AM before I am fully awake. This machine does that.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 ай бұрын

Well okay - thanks for the comment!

Thank you Dr. coffee Marc 💖 I really appreciate all your videos here in KZread ✌🏻💖

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi msA, Thanks for the comment!

I love the inclusion of the drink making in this review. very informative.

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

matthewrs7 thanks! Love the love!

Tnx for the review, best review on barista touch so far!. Will buy this one for sure.. more power to your channel. Tnx again

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Adrian, You're welcome. Glad it was helpful and thank you for the comment! Marc

Great video! Informative, comprehensive, and to the point.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Marc

Just got the Bambino plus a couple of months ago but this will definitely be my next machine. Nice presentation 👍👍👍

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Sal, Congrats on your new baby :) and thank you for the comment! Marc

Looking forward to this machine. Thanks for your videos.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Chaplain Bill, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

Best Tutorial I have seen so far.. Others, including those suggested to me by Breville are bloody hopeless!!!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thanks for the comment!!! Marc

Hi, first of all thx for the really good review. I got a quick question. How loud is the machine in general? Thx in advance.

I have a feeling that Marc likes this machine; I mean he REALLY likes it!

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Nicholas, The frothing is something else! This type of machine is not for everyone - especially those who are into espresso as a hobby. But, for those looking for easy, quick and consistent results it's hard to beat!

Thumbs up..!! on this machine..has the works!

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi J, Thanks for the comment and where have you been?

@Luforge

6 жыл бұрын

Hiya Marc-I have been renovating-late nights and drinking plenty of coffee..almost done!

Hi Mark, Great review. I only make milk based drinks. So I am very interested in this machine. Does it have a heated group head? Or do you have to run hot water through the port-a filter to heat it. Thanks, Peter

Hello Mark and thanks for the wonderful reviews and excellent effort. If I may ask, do you know if the thermoblock on the barista touch is any different than that on barista express or the infuser? I read somewhere that the barista touch has a 3 second warm up time and very easy transition from brew to steam and vice versa, thanks to the different design of the thermoblock. Thanks

@YTYTYTY7

5 жыл бұрын

They are different. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXqCrZSSeZTepbQ.html

Hi Mark, excellent video! I used your grind setting of 7 with a fresh medium roast coffee and the machine "choked". Couldn't really get a decent flow until grind setting was 12. Just wondering if you can explain how the machine can produce your flat white with such a low 7 grind setting, or am I doing something wrong?

Hi, Thanks for your great review. I and my wife are coffee lovers and after our Nespresso Pro Capsules machine we decided to buy a more professional espresso machine with better tasting results. I don’t want to spend too much time while preparing coffees and have difficulties in taste of coffees to try getting best results. I watched lots of reviews of different models and brands. Breville Oracle Touch and Barista Touch are 2 of my best lists. Price is very high and I need your support between these 2 models what’s your opinion. Two boiler is very important for home use? Oracle has a twice price of barista. And do you please advise different models of brands if you think it will be better for us. Thank you very much

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi MA, You are welcome for the review. Thank you for the comment and question. If milk-based espresso beverages are your drink of choice I'd strongly consider the Oracle. If more about the coffee/espresso then the Barista Touch will likely do. The big advantage of the Oracle is the automated milk steaming with adjustable froth density and temperature. These machines make excellent beverages and automate much of the process. They are far easier to use than standard Italian style machines which have long warm-up times, require an external grinder and have no automated frothing. If you want less effort/time to get better than Nespresso beverages these Breville products are a good choice. Keep in mind these products are what I consider appliance grade compared to traditional Italian style machines which can go for decades with proper maintenance and are relatively easy to repair should the need arise. That said, take good care of the Breville products by maintaining as advised and they will provide a good service life. Regardless of which machine you get the most important thing for excellent results is using good whole bean coffee and getting the grind size right. Hope that helps! Marc

Awesome video

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Marc

Thanks for sharing this video 👍

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Marc

Hi there, love the reviews and tossing up between this and fully automatic bean to cup. How does this compare with the Jura E8? Is the coffee better with the Breville? I'm torn between convenience against quality. Thanks in advance!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi pe, Thanks for the question and your kind comment. The potential quality of espresso from the Barista Touch is higher. But, it takes some skill, effort and good beans to realize the potential. The Jura E8 makes good drinks and it's very consistent producing a quality that's better than most mass market chain coffee. By the way, most starbucks locations use super-automatic machines to make the espresso. If you have time, enjoy making espresso and frothing your own milk then a semi-auto like the Breville is a better choice. If you want quick, easy, convenient consistency then a super-auto is probably better. Marc

Hello, I appreciate the informative video. I am an amateur bean roaster and like dark and oily beans. Will they damage the grinder? If so will if I use a separate grinder is there anyway the oil can damage the machine during the extraction process? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hey RP, Thanks for the question. While oily beans can cause trouble it's usually grinder clogs and not grinder damage. It's fairly rare and more of a problem in bean to cup automatic machines. Oil beans will not damage the machine. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Marc, thanks for this review. It was very helpful, as I’m learning how to use mine right now. Tell me, do you use whole milk or Fat Free when you froth?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi BMS, You are welcome and thanks for the question. You can use either (most non-dairy milks as well) but I always use whole fat milk for milk based espresso beverages. The whole fat milk is much creamier, sweeter and has bet mouthfeel. Marc

Whereas I have considered super automatic machines, I am now thinking of this machine, plus another grinder for decaf. In fact I could get it through a special scheme from my workplace, when I can afford it.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan!

Hi marc, I really love the machine and your review. my only concern is that I don't have a service center in my country and i feel this sort of machines might need service, which i won't be able to find can you please recommend a decent combination that have a long life span with munimum maintenance

@faridegy

6 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Thanks for the reply, I loved the machine you recommended however that will far exceed my budget. I went ahead and got the barista touch and we are having a blast thanks for the review

Thank you for the video. I am trying to find out how barista touch is with frothing manually. That way it will fit for everyone at home

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

So nice of you

Tengo otra pregunta amigo y gracias por contestar , entre los granos al parecer se fue un grano duro o piedra y ahora mi molino suena feo y le falta cómo calibrarlo o no se que puede ser, en tu opinión si le entro una piedra y me rayo el upper burr y el disco del medio eso se cambia o que puedo hacer alli, ya que no puedo moler en fino porque suena el metal con metal y tengo que moler en 18 o 20 y el café sale mas grueso

Great review of the machine!

Hi Marc, Great review. I am looking at this and the Oracle touch. Would you recommend the Oracle over this?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Steve, I'd compare the features between the 2. Given a choice I'd take the Oracle but it's more $$. Marc

Hi there - please help! My daily drink is a double shot latte with almond milk. Recommended grind time/ brew time? I am trying to get more crema and better taste. Current it is at 17s for the grind and 28s for the brew. Thank you!

Hi Marc, I was actually thinking about buying this one although my concern is that there is no pressure gauge on this. Is there anyway to see the realtime brewing pressure on touch screen?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi K, No brew pressure display on the screen.

Hey Marc just got this new machine just curious what’s the burr setting in the grinder set to?

Hello mark I need your recommendation for Oatly milk latte settings please 🙏🏼

How does this machine compare to the Barista Pro? Other than the touch screen and auto milk setup, is there an advantage going with this machine?

Thanks for the video, how did you get your brew temps to 198F? Seems like this unit wont go above 140F when brewing. I really want this unit because the Oracle is out of my reach but this has been the only time I’ve ever seen the brew temps go above 140F in a video.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AMP, Brew temps are fine as far as I know. Never run into the 140F you describe. How was that 140 measured? If not measured with a Scace device it doesn't mean much. Marc

I am confused .. I want a home machine .. I don’t know what works for me.. I thinking between barista touch and barista Express pro ?

As a certified noob barista but picky espresso drinker I have to say this machine is the bees knees

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Louie, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Marc do the ore defined drinks have default settings on grind brew time etc. or do you have to plug that info in. Thanks.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dirk, Yes. Drinks come preset at traditional volumes etc. Only thing you'll need to set manually is the grind size. Of course you can customize drinks as desired. Here's a link to the Barista Touch manual with more detail: www.breville.com/content/dam/breville/us/en/assets/miscellaneous/instruction-manual/espresso/BES880-instruction-manual.pdf Hope that helps! Marc

Wonderful review dear Marc. Can I ask about the brew pressure.. is it 15bar like barista express or 9 bar like barista pro? I noticed it has Barista express chassis as well as the grinder knob. Thank you.

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AS, It'll be closer to the 9 bar.

Thanks Marc. Does this machine have volume memory so if you were to select double shot it will stop at 60mls? Have you reviewed the delonghi la specialista. I’m stuck between these 2 machines. I like how the barista has auto milk with wide customization and non pressurized basket with digital display. However the delonghi has auto tamp and memory volume. I have never made a cup of coffee but have always found this to be fascinating and like to do this as a hobbie. But until I seen a detailed review on the delonghi. I can’t make up my mind

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi John, If you like the milk drinks I think you'll be better off with the Breville. I have not used the Specialista but I believe it's Delonghis first machine of the this type. First of any product puts me on edge. Breville's been making machines like this for a number of years. Marc

Please review the low end model of Breviile too. (the one without any grinder)

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi, You mean the Breville Infuser? kzread.info/dash/bejne/rK2htaZsk8efmMo.html or maybe the Dou-Temp Pro: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaJ8ubSJlKWepc4.html If so there you are!

Nice video, quick question if I may, controlling the water boiler temperature, as far as I know, this machine does not allow manual control, if correct, what temperature does it boil the water off, and does it fluctuate much? Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Adam, Thanks for the question. Brew temperature is manually adjustable and controlled by PID!

@adamkennedyripon

6 жыл бұрын

Excellent, thank you for your reply, very much apreciated, just to be sure, I can actually set the water temperature manually on this machine, this is the semi-automatic as far as I remember correctly?

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

NP, Yes, it's a semi-automatic machine and brew water temperature is user adjustable.

@adamkennedyripon

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great video review, very well presented - best i've seen :)

I just baught this unit, the newest model of the Touch, I’m having trouble frothing my own milk to do latte art. As your review says it’s good for latte art even with the automatic frother , I was wondering if you could give me a recommend froth level and temp setting for the automatic frother so I can practice latte art… please and thank you

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi RB, For milk temp, best flavor (milk's sweet point) is 140F/90C - 150F/95C. For froth level you want a very fine micro-foam - no large bubbles. Milk should be silky and when swirled in pitcher after frothing resemble the shiny surface of latex paint in a can. Hard to say which setting is best due to variations in milk type like whole, no fat, etc. Even differences in froth quality between milk brands. Best to experiment with froth level and see what works well with yours. But, you definitely want it super fine with no large bubbles! Marc

Marc like you my coffee of choice is the flat white,, I set my settings on the (barista touch) the same as yours..! My wife’s coffee choice is the cappuccino, what would your custom settings be for the cap..?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi John, Flat white is the best! Gotta be honest I have not used the Barista Touch in a long time. If she wants a traditional Italian style capp then it's a single shot with ~120ml/4oz milk frothed rather airy so you get a stiffer froth floating on top. Some call that a dry cappuccino. In many parts of the US you'll get a "wet" cappuccino that honestly is very similar to a flat white. It'll use a double shot 60ml/2oz of espresso with ~120ml/4oz of a very finely frothed milk. Hope that helps! Marc

Well done Marc. I’m still torn between the trade offs on this vs the Oracle NON touch....like the screen controls but prefer the double boiler and the other steam wand technology. The oracle touch is too pricey. Also worry about integrated tamping from a service longevity perspective. What to do....? Lol

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi David, Thanks for the comment. It can be tough to make those decisions! The double boiler is nice. It turns out milk drinbks a heck of a lot faster. And, in the Oracle it's actual boilers with reasonable volume of water in them. The Barista model uses a thermoblock boiler which heats smaller amounts of water and does it on demand to some extent. I was pleasantly surprised with brew temps from the barista touch - consistent at 199F through a pre-heated PF. The integrated tamping does add a level of complexity. A couple other key differences: Can't adjust dosing on the Oracle but it does use commercial size filter baskets and group has a heater. Barista model uses the smaller 54mm filter baskets but you can dose them however you like.

Hi! I just wonder what the brew temperature should be on this machine? And do i need to change brew temperature based on what drink i am making?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi B, Thanks for the question. The brew temp range for espresso is 195-205F (90.5-96C). You don't not need to adjust temp based on the drink. But, you might adjust based on the coffee used. The general guideline is by roast level of the coffee. Medium roasts at 200F (93C). A few degrees cooler for dark roasts and a few degrees hotter for light roasts. If getting bitter flavors lower brew temp if sour flavors raise brew temp. Marc

Does the milk section make nice fluffy cappuccino foam? Conversely, can you do manual frothing on the machine, or does the milk temp sensor need to be engaged before it will inject steam for foaming?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi BB, Froth density is adjustable and it can do an airier cappuccino foam. The Barista Touch does auto-frothing so I do not recommend for those who want to froth manually.

@buck_bacon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, Marc. I understand the whole auto aspect to the frothing, but have yet to see a demo with what I consider a true cappuccino foam. I like the machine, but just wondered if it's possible to use the wand manually if I wanted. I'm thinking the Pro might be the way to go, though.

@mitchellscott1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@buck_bacon You can use the wand manually - just pull it into the up position (this puts it into manual mode). Once you drop the wand back down then it goes into auto mode.

Hey Marc. I just purchased the barista touch. I'm using lavassa super crema beans. I've tried everything including the settings you used here, and I cannot get a crema more than 1/4" depth and the pour is always 2.75 -4oz .I used a scale for tamp pressure as well and still nothing. It starts first drip at 8 to 9 seconds. Any tips you can suggest?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Kristie, What coffee are your using? First drip at 8 to 9 sounds about right but 2.75 - 4oz. is rather long. I'd shoot for 2oz on doubles which includes the crema. I wouldn't pay any attention to my grind size as yours may need to be very different depending on coffee and weight of coffee dose. Sounds like you need to grind a little finer to slow down your extractions. Also, you don't really need to focus on tamping pressure. Scale for that is not needed in my opinion. Just be uniformly firm from shot to shot. My video on dialing in grind size may be of help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html Marc

@kristieroy4001

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage I'm using the lavassa super crema whole bean. The expiration date on bag is 6/2021. I did try a finer grind and weighed dose but the finer grind ends up with burnt flavor. Between 7-9 the taste is good. We just don't get any crema.

@kristieroy4001

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking time to help me. Since then I purchased the Apexstone coffee distribution tool off Amazon after watching more of your videos and learning about this type of tamper. Game changer. While I have only used it 3 times, I’m now getting better crema , almost perfect 2 ounces and consistent tamps. I believe now it was my tamp error and now I can play with the grind size till perfect. Maybe Breville could make a similar tool for those of us who know nothing about making espresso’s, etc. Their leveling tool is now in the tool box and the tamper will now hang as a decoration.

Good morning Marc, 2 questions 1) What does difference in size(54ml vs 58ml commercial, besides the 4ml) mean in taste if any? 2) Saw am coffee symbol while you were scrolling. Does this mean you can make a regular size cup of coffee? Thanks, Stu

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Good morning Stu, Standard commercial size PFs are 58ml. With the 54ml total coffee capacity may be slightly reduced but the 54mm baskets are a little deeper. Not a huge difference in flavor and some high-end commercial machines like those from Dalla Corte use a 54mm PF. The "AM Coffee" in the display is a custom name. The machine can make longer coffees. When using an espresso machine for regular size cups of coffee one typically makes an Americano. This is an espresso with hot water added - which this machine can do. In my experience most people who try an Americano find the flavor superior to a regular drip style coffee. Hope that helps! Marc

When is WLL going to be carrying the Breville Barista Touch Impress?

Hi Mark- we just bought this machine for Christmas, it's pretty great so far. The one thing I've noticed is the portafilter, it is very hard to lock into the machine and equally as difficult to remove. Am I doing something wrong?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Tammy, Congrats on the new machine! It's not unusual for things to be a little stiff on a new machine. The group gasket which the top edge of the PF contacts breaks in over time. Marc

@speedbird737

4 жыл бұрын

hi Tammy - I'm thinking of getting this machine too for Christmas - do you still recommend it 10 months on?

I am using Orphea coffee and want to know if the grind size of 7 for 20 seconds with a 35 second brew time is correct for Orphea with this machine? I can’t get a shot that is not sour.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, I cannot tell you what grind size to use due to variations in dose, tamping pressure, brew temperature and the coffee itself. I can say in my experience - and a I drink a lot of Orphea! a 35 second extraction is on the long side. Also sour flavors tend to come from under-extraction and cool brew temps. A 35 second extraction for a typical 2oz/60ml double shot is not what I'd consider an under-extraction. To fix things work one variable at a time. I'd go with brew temp 200F/93C and make the grind coarser one step at a time until you get an extraction that's under 30 seconds from first drip. Hope that helps! Marc

Thank u for great information.. I owner expresso express for 4 months, I accidentally tune to your channel and yes I subscribe 😊 can u tell me what's best # for longer expresso brew?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi S, There no right answer to grind size as it will change based on variables like coffee type, dose weight, tamping pressure, etc. What you need to do is dial in your grind size based on your particular variables. Here's a video which goes through the simple dialing in process. Also keep in mind grind size is never set and forget: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html Marc

Hi Marc. Is it easy to pull a bad shot? On the older model there was a pressure gauge, does this have something similar?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

John Ortega Hi John, no pressure gauge. IMO gauge doesn’t tell you anything that time and in cup volume tell you. I use a lot of prosumer machines and almost never look at brew pressure gauges. Really only use them if adjusting max brew pressure via OPV valve (not adjustable on this machine) or adjusting plumb in line pressure regulator to control pre-infusion on machines with that capability. Marc

@John-gl3ky

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc. Does this machine have volume memory so if you were to select double shot it will stop at 60mls. Have you reviewed the delonghi la specialista. I’m stuck between these 2 machines. I like how the barista has auto milk with wide customization and non pressurized basket with digital display. However the delonghi has auto tamp and memory volume. I have never made a cup of coffee but have always found this to be fascinating and like to do this as a hobbie. But until I seen a detailed review on the delonghi. I can’t make up my mind

i assume you are using the single shot single wall filter for the grind setting 7, as you wont get a brew. with the double shot basket it wont flow threw, found this out today, if using double shot basket it wotn pass the brew with a level 7 grind, just clogs needs to be on 11 or 12.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi F, Thanks for the comment. There's no "right" grind size/setting. One needs to dial in their grind size based on there brewing variable like coffee type, coffee age, dose weight, etc. Remember, grind size is not one size fits all and is never set and forget. Learn more about the relatively simple process of dialing i grind size in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html Marc

I’m fairly certain you’ve answered this question before, but I can’t seem to find the video for it. I recently got the barista touch as a gift (the auto-froth is life changing). Is the top burr adjustment a micro or macro adjustment compared to the side dial setting? For example, is a 4.30 (top setting #.# side dial) similar to 5.1? Or the other way around? For example, 10.8 would be similar to a 1.9 (top.side). I’m pretty sure I recall the top is a micro adjustment, but I wanted to confirm. Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi MM, Thanks for the question. It's been awhile since I've used the Barista Touch and I don't have one available at the moment to verify but I believe the top burr adjustment is a macro change. Breville isn't very clear in their manual where it says "A feature of your Barista Touch™ is the ability to extend this range with an adjustable upper burr. We recommend making only one adjustment at a time." That leads me to believe it is a macro adjustment as it extends the grind size range. Hope that helps! Marc

@mcmigs1725

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage understood thanks! I’ll experiment

Thanks for the video, Would you please verify your brew temperatures again, a lot of us are getting around 150 from the brew head, nowhere near 197 like your video shows. And if that is the case what would be your opinion on that?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, 150 is very low! But... how are you measuring? It's incredibly difficult to accurately measure. A Scace device is industry standard. Next best is bi-metal probe held in the stream coming from the group. If you're getting 150 using an analog or spring loaded thermometer held in a cup of water from the group that's the worst and very inaccurate.

@hishamelsafty

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage I have same 150 degrees as many report too. A more weird thing is that I get same temperature no matter what settings are, low4 to ideal to high4, all give same 150 degrees!

@andrejbinder4654

5 жыл бұрын

I recently bought the Sage Barrista Touch (european name for the breville) and as i saw you guys are having issues with the temp, I checked mine just to be sure in case I should return it within the two week period which makes the return hassle free. The most accurate measurement of the temp i could do was the temperature at the portafilter nozzle with no coffe in the filter. Measuring anything else (like temp in mug etc) had too many other variables in play so the figures were all over the place. Also measuring with the single wall filter gives wildly inaccurate numbers as the flow of water there without coffe in it is significantly higher than it would be with coffe in as there is very little resistance. Using the double wall filter insert actually simulates (at least to some extent) the resistance that a coffe in the filter would make, even without the coffe in it. Makes sense, as the dry preground coffe is lacking in resistance and thats the reason why the pressure needs to be artificialy created in the portafilter to brew it properly. Measuring the flow of water out of the pressurized double wall portafilter nozzle (actually sticking the thermometer in the nozzle) reliably gives me 200F ... over and over again. You just have to wait a couple seconds for the thermometer to catch up with the water temp as its metal sensor (in my case) has its own mass that takes a while to match the temp of the water. Its actually a normal kitchen meat thermometer for some $15 so nothing fancy ... but from the few tests i did it seems to be pretty accurate. Maybe you could try re-do your test and see if you can consistenty get 200F directly measured out of the portafilter nozzle too? Just be sure to use the double wall insert to simulate the pressure. I used the double shot one (not sure if using the single shot would make ani diff).

@davidq.5634

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrejbinder4654 THIS!!! Thank you Andrej, I almost returned my machine, since I also only got 150 degrees, but didn't account the lack of pressure in the filter. When using the double wall portafilter to kinda simulate pressure I also get 200F degrees+. THANK YOU, am happy with the machine now ;)

I found the pre-grind basket produce more creamy expresso (like in 6:50), and the other basket produce more watery expresso.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi JA, Thanks for sharing your observation. The dual wall baskets are more forgiving of an imperfect grind size. Makes it easier to get an okay espresso. But quality will be better using the single wall basket with the grind size properly dialed in. Here's a video showing how to dial in grind size. It's demonstrated on a separate grinder but process is the same: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html The dual wall baskets are pressurized so all the espresso get squeezed through one tiny hole. That fakes the crema a bit as compared to the single wall non-pressurized filter baskets. Marc

Hi Marc do you have a recommendation between this and the Jura Z6? My thinking is that the Jura is simpler to use, may be more reliable in the long-term (Jura has a reputation for long lasting machines) and maintenance products are easier to obtain. But it looks like the Oracle can heat the milk to a higher temperature, produces a better quality cup and maintenance is simpler and cheaper. Would appreciate your thoughts

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Tahir, Please excuse my delayed response - I've been offline for a few days. You've hit the nail on the head with your thinking and seem to be in the cross-over position. That is you're in between the convenience of a super-automatic like the Jura and the increased potential of a semi-automatic like the Breville machines. This Breville is a bit more automated than traditional semi-autos so I'm not surprised you are considering it from your cross-over position. If you want little to no effort consistency then the Jura is an excellent choice. Turn it on and within minutes no-hassle drinks. Push a button and the machine does the rest. While the Breville has more potential quality, producing it consistently is more of a commitment on your part - more time, skill, knowledge is required. If hotter milk is important to you and you're willing to put in the effort then the Breville is probably the way to go. The Jura heats milk to it's sweet point of 130F/55C (+/-10F). That's what a properly trained barista would do. I understand some like it hotter anyway - if that's you the Jura may disappoint. Hope that helps! Marc

@TahirAli-kl1vj

3 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love thanks Marc

I bought the machine a couple of days ago but whenever I choose latte or cappuccino the milk is not well frothed. I get a lot of foam too. How can I get a well frothed milk using it?

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi m, Thanks for the question. Sounds like you need to adjust the froth control. If getting too much foam try a lower number. A setting of 1 will give you the finest foam. Other tips: keep the frothing wand clean and fill the frothing pitcher to between the marks. Hope that helps!

For quality of coffee and overall upkeep of machine would you pick this or the Gaggia Cadorna?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Elena, Thanks for the question. Potential for better quality with a semi-auto machine like the Barista Touch. Realizing that potential requires some skill, effort and more time. In general semi-auto machines are a bit messier to use and require more upkeep. There's used coffee to knock out of PF, coffee grounds spill, frothing wand to wipe and purge, back flushing and manual descaling. Super-autos like the Cadorna are convenient and consistent. Turn it on attach the milk and you will have a very good milk based drink within a couple minutes. Marc

Keeps shutting off 3 or so seconds in to the brew cycle. No fluid dripping out. Tried the steamer/frother, shuts off before temperature is reached. Does not self clean when wand id put down to home position? Do I have a lemon?? Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi KK, How long have you had the machine? Did you purchase machine from Whole Latte Love? If so contact us here for support: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us or, Breville has excellent customer support and you can contact them directly here: www.brevilleusasupport.com/

Hey Marc, how does the Breville barista touch compares to Breville barista express? Is it basically the same machine with touch interface?

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the question. The Barista Touch is an upgrade to the Barista Express with some key new features. The touch screen interface of course. Big change is the automated milk frothing with the ability to set a precise milk temperature and froth density. And that auto frothing produces a density capable of pouring latte art - it's quite incredible!

Can you please tell me how to make an Americano on this machine? The beat possible Americano ..

Hi, Marc. Thanks for the review. I just purchased this and was wondering if you adjusted the grinder's burrs from the factory setting. If so, what did you set yours to? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Jason Young you’re welcome. Did this video a long time ago so I don’t know. Search my channel for “dial” did a comprehensive vid last fall showing the simple dialing in procedure for arriving at good grind size. It’s all about consistency of other variables while making subtle grind size changes. Marc

Hi I have the same machine but no matter what kind of coffee beans I buy it taste burned . What is the size for conical burr suppose to be set on ? It’s inside the hooper thank you

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Tanya, If your espresso tastes burnt it's either because it's over-extracted or it's the beans you are using. Grind setting depends on variables like the beans, dose, etc. There's no easy answer to grind setting. It's typically something between table salt and granulated sugar in particle size. But, small changes in grind size can have a big affect on an extraction. Here's a video which describes the process of "dialing-in" grind size which should help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6t8xs9ud9e0eKw.html Marc

It seems like the frother Auto cleaner when pointed downwards is a bit messy. You end up having to clean your counter or tray. In short you've only move the mess from one place to another.

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi LDF, True, but do keep in mind no matter what machine you use you do need to purge and wipe the wand after steaming milk.

Marc can you tell me what the dial should be for a latte..it starts before 8 sec. so what should the dial and grind time be?

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi SU, Thanks for the question. By dial do you mean grind size? It will depend on the coffee you use. The goal is an extraction that runs 20-30 seconds from first drip of espresso. Grind size and time will affect extraction timing. Us a grind time that produces the amount of coffee you want in the portafilter. Then, keeping that constant adjust your grind size shot to shot to get the 20-30 second extraction time. Here's a video covering the process of dialing in grind size: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6t8xs9ud9e0eKw.html

@stitchg6060

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, you are the man when it comes to goid reviews. Your videos are always on point. I noticed you guys don't really review many Breville products so when i saw this video it caught my attention and thought he must really like this machine to have put a video up. Here is my dilemma. I love the Italian machines and all if their features. But i don't live the price and more importantly if i am being honest, i don't have the skill level required to use half if those machines. This makes me terribly sad but i don't want to buy too much if a machine for what i can handle. I was looking at the breville bambino but feel that may be too basic in the near future. I like the barista touch but don't like the integrated grinder. I also like the dual boiler. Can u please point me to which machine may be best fir me in the long run. I already have the breville smart pro grinder. I do lile milk base drinks and eventually want to be able to manually steam milk without wearing it. Please help with what u can.... ps if u have any pull with Santa Claus then let him know the oracle touch is my favorite! Lol, thanks Marc!

Hola cómo está ?? Una pregunta yo tengo un barista touch lo que te quiero pregunta es que si cuando terminas de hacer tu café si pones la oreja en la maquina tiene como un sonido que dura aproximadamente 30 segundos y luego se detiene ???? O es algún problema q tiene mi maquina

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Question translation: Hello, how are you ?? A question I have a touch barista what I want you to ask is that if when you finish making your coffee if you put your ear to the machine it has a sound that lasts approximately 30 seconds and then stops ???? Or is it a problem with my machine? Hola Tony, es probable que sea normal. Hay momentos en que la máquina ejecuta un enfriamiento automático interno que puede emitir algún sonido, como la liberación de vapor, etc. Hi Tony, It's likely normal. There are times when the machine runs automatic cool down internally which may make some sound like steam releasing etc.

@naim7947

4 жыл бұрын

Ok hermano gracias por responder , y otra cosa el tema crema en mi café ya no es como antes ya no tengo esa crema q tenia antes, descalcifique la máquina pero no tengo esa crema , aparte que el filtro de agua que lleva en la parte de atrás donde va el agua no lo he cambiado desde hace 3 meses q la compre , y un problema que tuve hace poco fue un pedazo de metal en mi molino y eso afectó un poco la molida del café

Everything works fine on the Touch machine except I can’t get the Latte art. I am using 2% milk and it does make a smooth cream, but when I try to pour it for the art part I can’t seem to get a white circle to stay at the top of the drink. It always mixes with the rest of the drink, even when I put the milk cup very close to the coffee cup. I tried using temperature settings of 140 and 150 but no luck. Any ideas?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Alan, Here's an excellent video on frothing which takes you through to pouring latte art: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoSHpdWvZ87Je6Q.html Marc

Hello, I'm curious, during setup this machine states your shot should start between 8-12 seconds or it is under extracted. I'm finding that no matter what grind settings i use it always starts at exactly 8 or usually earlier, like 6 or 7seconds. Is this an issue and is there a way to fix this? Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi BS, If you are getting first drip at about 8 seconds I think you're fine. That's about what I usually get for first drip on prosumer level machines. Is your total shot timing in the 25 -35 second range from pump on? If so I would not worry. Some of timing difference may be due to pre-infusion settings. Also just to be clear your are using the "single wall" non-pressurized filter basket? Marc

@bojansubotic8718

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the reply! We are satisfied now and with some minor improvement on our manual level (tamping etc.) I think the coffee tastes fantastic! Keep up the great work btw! B

I just got my machine today i noticed when i release my portafilter after my espresso extraction that there is water on top of the portafilter. Isnt it supposed to be dry? Can you give your thoughts please on what i should adjust

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi SM, It's not unusual to have some moisture on the puck following an extraction. If the puck is soupy that's a different story. It may be related to coffee dose. For example a small dose in a double shot filter basket. Also may be differences between the dual wall (pressurized) and single wall (non-pressurized). Should typically get more water removed from puck surface when using single wall baskets. There is a chance there's an issue with the machine. If you feel there's excess water on the puck I would contact Breville support directly here: www.brevilleusasupport.com/

@vincentherz6103

5 жыл бұрын

Same here - extraction starts always to fast and puck is always wet :-(

@b0b3k92

5 жыл бұрын

@@vincentherz6103 Watch: "How to adjust grinder burrs on Breville Oracle Touch" on KZread, don't worry it isn't the same model, the mechanism is the same

Marc. Does anyone know the default setting temp ? I mean say I go up to on this model is it too hot to cool is there anyway other than putting probe on it to know. The machine comes at a default setting is that good enough? I have it high 1. There should be something in manual. I don’t see it weird. Thanks

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dirk, Thanks for the question. As shown in the video at about 6 minutes the "ideal" setting gave a temp of 199F. The settings above and below likely raise lower brew temp by about 1F each to give you the full typical espresso brewing range of 195-205F Marc

Hi, How to make a real perfect latte? Which filter should I use, how long brew, what kind of grind etc. Thx

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hey FF, Thanks for the question. A basic latte is 1:5 milk to espresso ration. So use a single basket for a 6oz/180ml latte or double basket for a 12oz/360ml latte. Espresso extration timing is 20-30 seconds regardless of filter basket used. Grind is very fine. Can't give you a grind setting as that depends on variables like coffee used, dose weight etc. You will need to dial in your grind size to fit your brewing variables. Here's a video showing how to do that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html Hope that helps! Marc

@foxyffooxxyy668

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your help. I.ll try do it :-) I have one more question- what is the best coffe in your opinion- what brand?

Hi Marc, I have recently bought the Barista touch and for sure it is amazing. However, could you pl help me with the grinder setting. I need to go finer with the grind type and I need to unlock and remove the burr. Unfortunately, I’m unable to unlock the burr. Is there a technique or trick to it???

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi H, Thanks for the question. There's a metal clip/ring which you lift up on top of the burr carrier. With that up you twist to remove the burr. Don't have one in front of me at the moment, but I believe there's an indication of which way to turn to release. Hope that helps! Marc

@b0b3k92

5 жыл бұрын

Coffee beans are blocking your burr, put back everything back to normal, turn on the machine, grind rest of the coffee beans till you hear there is nothing left, use hoover if you need to and then you will be able to lift that metal ring and twist it counterclockwise, I have just done it today :)

@Hoistdee

5 жыл бұрын

Mateusz Nowak, Thanks a lot. I’ll definitely try your suggestion today once I get back home.

@Hoistdee

5 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Hi Marc, I’ve tried it but mine is either stuck or too tight. I’ll give it another try and let you know.

@Hoistdee

5 жыл бұрын

ThanksMateusz Nowak. You were dot on. Just used a hover and I was able to unlock and adjust the grind size. Thanks a lot.

I’ve had mine 3 weeks now. It’s a great all in one machine and i got the black one and it’s just beautiful on the counter. It takes probably 50 shots to dial it in so be patient. Get... Leveler Small scale Heat the portafilter before you pull your first shot of the day. I run how water through it and use it to heat my cup.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi SD, Thanks for sharing your experience and advice for the Breville Barista Touch. Did it really take 50 shots to get dialed in? Marc

@K.Stroh_

4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love i suck so that’s why. Now i have it dialed hahahaha

How many cups can able to make with this machine in a day? Any idea? because i saw this is a perfect add-on for our small restaurant with its price.

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi CJ, Thanks for the question. The Barista Touch is probably not the best choice for commercial use. Don't know what your regulations are, but the machine is not NSF rated. It's intended for home use. In home, I'd rate it for 25 cups a day max.

@cibyjacob2713

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Many thanks

Hi Guys, I love your videos. Very educating and clear!!! I am contemplating between the Breville touch and the Gaggia Academia, however, I read not very good things about Gaggia's customer/warranty service. Could you advice which machine would be your choice and what do you think of Gaggia's service? Thanks in advance

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi sol, Thanks for the comment on the videos. Are you in the US? Check out the Accademia here: www.wholelattelove.com/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine currently 127 reviews with average of 4.5 out 5 stars. We offer a 2 yr warranty and expert support via phone/chat/email: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us Also a complete support wiki for the Accademia here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Accademia I use a lot of super-automatic machines. For 2 years my daily use machine in the video studio was the Accademia. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions!Marc

Could you program the machine to make a caffè (espresso) macchiato?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi g, Thanks for the question. Yes, but it is a two step process with espresso and milk done separately. Marc

why grind size 07? everything i use it always starts too early, i dont know how to set it for the coffee im using (lavazza crema e aroma). how do i set the best grind size?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi a, Thanks for the question. The grind setting I used is what worked for my set of variables. Does not mean it's appropriate for yours. Here's a video which takes you through how to dial in grind size: studio.kzread.infojOY7D02n4Cw/edit?o=U Marc

I got the Barista touch a month ago, i've been practicing and playing with the settings for a little bit... And I still can't figure out why my coffee looks more watery... I don't know how to make it look thick and creamy like in your videos... Help me please 🙏 PS : I use Lavazza crema e aroma for the coffee beens

@neilbmehta

3 жыл бұрын

Did you try to adjust the grind to a finer setting for a slower and more creamer pour ?

@marktebrake2927

3 жыл бұрын

I've read that this machine punishes you harshly for not using fresh beans. And with fresh I mean roasted within a week or two ago.

Marc, I just watched your video on the Breville Barista touch. For a little over 2 years now I've had a mr. coffee pump espresso machine and mr. coffee grinder. I've been watching and following your videos for months now, and I'm wondering if you would recommend the Breville Barista touch as my next leg of the journey. Or is there another machine and grinder you would recommend instead? I do like the features described on the Barista touch, especially considering that you basically have both semi automatic and manual options. I purchase fresh roasted beans locally.

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi David, Breville does a good job of putting desirable features into their products. You end up paying less for the features than you would on a more traditional separate grinder and machine package. You can make a better quality drink with a smaller investment and there's less skill required. The catch is in the way they're made. At the end of the day Breville machines are better thought of as appliances. Please don't get me wrong, take care of them and they will provide years of service. But they are unlikely to have the same lifespan as traditional handcrafted machines and are not as user serviceable. If you've been watching my videos you know my go to recommendation for entry level espresso is the Gaggia Classic. Paired with a decent grinder it will blow away what your Mr. Coffee can do. Compared to the Barista Touch the Classic requires more skill and effort to produce the same result. And, if you are making back to back milk drinks a single boiler machine like the Classic is time consuming with all the heating up to steam temp and then cooling down to brew temp. The Barista Touch is a single boiler machine but it's fast! No problem/no waiting making back to back drinks and it can steam enough milk at once to make two single shot lattes at the same time. It really depends on how much effort and skill you want to put in. If you go the Classic route you might consider pairing with a Quamar grinder for about $800 total it's a really nice combo! For more speed in traditional machine/grinder the next step up are HX boiler machines. IMO best value there is the Expobar Office Pulser at ~$1,150 plus a grinder like the Quamar or Ceado E5P. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions! Cheers, Marc

@david78rhoda

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc. Very helpful!

I’m a current Breville Barista Express owner (the first model, over 10 years old) . It finally broke. Instead of repairing it I’m contemplating to upgrade to a Breville Barista Touch or a Rocket Mozzafiatto. Concerning the quality of the brew, how does the Touch compare to the Rocket? How close or far it is? Thanks for the answers.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi CRR62, Thanks for the question. Ten years is a good run for a Barista Express! The Rocket IMHO has the potential to produce a better espresso and is far superior in build quality. With regular maintenance it should go for decades. If down the line something breaks it's very repairable - and always worth the $$ to do so. Not the case with Brevilles. The Barista Touch is what I consider a high-end appliance. It automates features like grinding and frothing. It hits key consumer desires like PID, price, convenience. If you were happy with your previous Breville the Barista Touch is a step up. If looking for potential higher quality and a more hands on experience you will get that in a machine like the Mozzafiato. Be aware it comes in 2 versions. Current models are the Cronometro V and Cronometro R. The R model is plumbable to waterline and has a rotary pump. The V model is not plumbable and has a vibration pump. I just did a review video of the R model last week: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hnaFlqOqp62tetI.html Bothe the R and V models come dressed as the Mozzafiato or Giotto. Hope that helps! Marc

@SirOreo62

4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Thank You Marc! That answer surely makes me consider biting the bullet and going with a more durable and higher performing machine. I’d love to go with the rotary. But our kitchen’s plumbing location and layout does not allow us to plumb the machine without having it sitting right on top of our kitchen island in the middle of a shared house space. My wife is not to keen of having an espresso machine sitting at the center of this open shared area, however pretty the Rocket look.. I much prefer and would buy the type R for the only other three things that do not involve the plumbing feature: lower noise, more durable pump, and the black gauges. But I can live with the V for $500 less and white gauges. The V type will be. Thanks for the advise and keep the videos coming.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure. I speak your language - keep the wife happy! Rotary does have a smooth sound bit Rocket vibe pump isn’t bad. I’ll have a review video of Cronometro V machines posting on Friday. Marc

I'm curious. Have your views gone down? I haven't gotten a notification for your videos in weeks!

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi y, No they have not. With a few exceptions we have subscriber notification turned on for new videos. Might want to check your KZread settings? I believe you have to opt in to receive notifications.

Is this the same grinder as the barista express? What are your thoughts in he grinder quality

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi GM, It appears to be the same grinder as used in Barista Express. I do not have an express in front of me at the moment so I cannot be certain. I had no problem dialing in shots. On the Barista Touch a grind change of 2 steps resulted in extraction timing change of ~3 seconds for same volume in cup. Top burrs on both machines have additional adjustments.

@toninocars

6 жыл бұрын

Brevillle grinders are really good, they are designed to work perfectly with their machines so nothing to worry here. Some ppl may have troubles but is more down to the beans they used rather than the grinder

Hi, we have Breville Barrista touch 880 model. It works perfectly except for the the top quarter of the LCD touch screen, which is unresponsive. We tried to do a factory reset but the button is on the top right corner and now we are stuck .Does anyone please have any solution we can try? So far we unplugged and left for a long time, we disconnected and reconnected the lcd screen but no luck. If you have advice on this we will appreciate it. We love our Breville and use it daily! We look forward to use it and it’s our way to bless people!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi HF, Sorry to hear you are having issues. My best advice is to contact Breville support for assistance.

What type of coffee were you using in this video?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, It was one of my favorite Italian style bean blends Maromas Orphea: www.wholelattelove.com/products/maromas-orphea-whole-bean-espresso Very easy coffee to work with, delicious and well reviewed 4.5/5 in 170+ customer reviews. You can read reviews using the link. Marc

So what kind of beans do folks use with this machine? From what company?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi RS, You can use just about any beans available. I would avoid beans with added flavors. We have a great selection available here. Choose based on your flavor preferences: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/whole-bean-espresso-coffee Hope that helps! Marc

I bought this machine a week ago but my brewing temperature starts with 84 degrees Celsius (183F) only during first 3 seconds of pre-infusion. After pre-infusion, throughout the 30 second brewing time, it reduces dramatically from 75C (167F) to 62C (143.5F). As a result, my shot is always sour because of the low temperature. Do you know if there’s any solutions to that? Also, can you retest the temperature throughout the shot please? Btw, I have mine set to the highest temp. and my thermometer is a digital accurate one. Please reply to me, I’m extremely disappointed. It’s advertised to have ideal brew temp. in addition to having PID which is supposed to have stable temperature. Thank you!

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi UF, Sorry to hear you are having temperature issues and will do my best to assist. As you are reporting temps in Celsius I'm guessing you are not in the US? If you are in US and purchased the machine from Whole Latte Love please give our Tech Support pros a call at 585-924-7170. They can help diagnose and offer assistance, replacement etc. Another option is going straight to Breville support in the US. Contact them here: www.brevilleusasupport.com/ If outside US best bet is to look up Breville support for your region or work with the retailer. IMO your initial temps out of the spouts sound good. You will see a significant drop in brew water temp from the time it contacts the coffee to it's exit from the spouts. Do keep in mind it's incredibly difficult to measure actual brew temps at the time water contacts the coffee even with an accurate digital thermometer. Only way to get close to reality is using a Scace device. Even with that instrument the WBC procedure for accurate brew water temp measurement is 10 pages long! That said, temps reducing to 62C out of the spouts at the end of an extraction is low. But it depends on how you are measuring. If that's an in cup temperature and it's a big cold ceramic cup that might not be unusual. But measured straight in the drips out of the portafilter spouts it's low - even if measurement is not entirely accurate. It may be a machine fault but that would be best diagnosed by a Breville support specialist. Marc

@osammah

4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Whole Latte Love Whole Latte Love THANK you for your incredibly helpful detailed reply! You’re right, I’m outside the US. About the temp., I actually measured directly from the spouts but with no coffee. Only the flow of water was measured. I took it to the warranty and will see what they do. I hope they can fix it because I really really LOVE it! Unfortunately, in Saudi Arabia, the support is not very helpful because in case of issues they have to contact Breville support by themselves; we don’t have the main Breville company here. Btw, this issue gave me an idea for you! I suggest a video on dialing in espresso extraction for machines with low temp.! Lol I know it sounds a silly idea but there are many, many users of entry level machines that have low temp, which makes the ideal 1:2 ratio, with 25-30 second extraction not as good, as it would still feel under extracted. Maybe finer the grind, increase ratio, or lower dose with finer grind, etc? I would love to watch such a video. Thank you again for your reply, and keep up your GREAT videos. I had zero experience with espresso, yet I benefited a LOT from your videos, so now I understand almost everything about it. 💙

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

UFC FIFA you’re welcome for the reply. Detail is what I do and doesn’t matter where in the world a question comes from as my response could help someone else. Sorry to hear support is not as good for your location. In your shoes I would insist on replacement. With low brew temp a finer grind and lower dose could help but I’m skeptical there’s anyway around such low temps. Good luck! Marc

@osammah

4 жыл бұрын

Whole Latte Love Marc, or whoever replied to my issue, 😭😭😭❤️ I feel ecstatic! I did take it to the warranty. They told me they made a software update but they said they think it’s still not fixed, so they will issue me a replacement once they get a new one in stock. But... I took it home, retested the temperature. But this time I used the dual wall basket. When I had tested it before, I used the non-pressurized basket, so the amount of water in 30 seconds was 6 times more than the amount of 30 seconds when there’s coffee; that’s why the temp dropped significantly, I believe. When I came back home, I tested the temp using the pressurized basket, and the temp was stable at 98C degrees (210F) throughout a whole minute!!! 😍😭 I hope you understood. I wish I had done the test with the pressurized basket before to see how much the software helped the temp. But hey, doesn’t matter, I’m jumping with joy that it’s fixed! Just wanted to update you with good news this time. Have a great day! And keep up the good videos.

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

UFC FIFA It is me, Marc who replied. Thanks for the update! If I understand correctly your temps before where with no coffee? If so a high water flow rate would likely cause temperature to drop as you described. Machine uses a thermoblock boiler which heats some water on demand. At high flow rate/no back pressure I imagine it can’t keep up. Happy to hear it’s going to work out! Marc

I am about to return the Barista Touch. I wanted so badly for it to work out. But the water temp coming out of the brewhead starts off at about 170F and then tails off to 140-150. Final temperature of the water in the cup is about 145. Even pushing the brew temp to +4 makes no difference. Strangely, the hot water out of the water dispenser has a temp of 190-195. The steam wand delivers awesome steam. But for whatever reason, the water for brewing just doesn't get hot enough. All my shots are coming out sour no matter how fine I go with the grind. I love the ease of use of this machine, the look, the dimensions and the AWESOME milk. Unfortunately, I can't make good espresso out of it, which is a bummer.

@osammah

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! I commented on this video with almost the exact same details as you, but before reading your comment. I am having the exact same issue as yours. And I’m also in LOVE with every single thing about the machine; but my coffee is always sour. They got everything right and forgot the main thing!!! Please tell me did you find a solution? Or you returned it? I’m impatiently looking forward to your answer. Hope you found a solution to the brewing temp.

@armaniusmaximus

4 жыл бұрын

@@osammah I returned it and got a Double Boiler. But there's a work around. Run two shots with the pressurized basket, but without coffee. Then on the next shot using a normal basket, the water temp should be in the 190s.

@armaniusmaximus

4 жыл бұрын

@@osammah It is a pain in the butt, but the work around works. But I got tired of it so I returned it and got the Double Boiler. Unfortunately, no automatic frothing wand ... that auto wand on the Barista Touch is simply awesome.

@gnosis7662

Жыл бұрын

We have the exact same problem with the machine and so does everyone else who shared their experience online. I have yet to see anyone hit 200 degrees with the Barista Touch and feel very confused as to how Marc hit that temperature at the default setting?? Sounds like Breville pre-tuned his machine before sending it over to him for a test. I would be curious what results he gets if he picked one up Williams-Sonoma or another store. Bottom line, we're getting rid of this machine ang getting a professional grade Italian machine from either La Marzocco, Rocket, or Bezzera.

how do you replace the water filter in this machine?

@Wholelattelovepage

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Diana, Here's a link to filter replacement instructions for the Barista Touch: www.manualslib.com/manual/1298094/Breville-Barista-Touch-Bes880.html?page=10#manual

Hi I just purchased this machine and I am having so much trouble getting a decent shot. I have no idea why it is so hard. I started with the suggested settings but the shots aren't right. Too watery. Even when I try to adjust it is watery. I have changed the beans and still bad. I can't figure out my mistake. I am practicing with an inexpensive bean from Starbucks. 100% Arabica medium roast. grind at 15, dose time set around 18. very watery. Went down to finer grind by 10 per what the machine suggests and still not right. As I go lower it got bitter. I don't know what to do shorter than getting rid of it and stick with the espresso. help

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, Watery shots indicate grind that's too coarse or severe channeling of water through the coffee puck. To prevent channeling be consistent with coffee distribution and tamping of coffee. If that's all good, decrease grind size while maintaining consistent dose of ground coffee. You goal is an extraction time of 20-30 seconds from 1st drip. Bitter flavors generally indicate over-extraction. Causes of that are: grind is too fine, brew temp too hot and running shots too long. Could also be the coffee. Sorry I'm not familiar with the Starbucks coffee you are using. One thing you might try is capturing the first half of your shot in one glass and second half in another. Compare the flavor. Guessing the 1st half will be sweeter and less bitter. If that's the case cutting your shot earlier will reduce bitter flavors. You did not mention if you were doing single or doubles. I suggest making doubles if you're not. They are more forgiving. Hope that helps! Marc

@RobG-dp3pw

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much. I am doing double shots. I don’t even care for the Starbucks coffee but I read that I should not use my best coffee to learn with. I don’t think I agree though. I think I have to use what I like and just suck it up. How else will I know if what I’m doing is right? I will try again following your instructions. I swear I need a day off of work to just practice. Maybe I don’t have enough coffee. Is there a dosage weight you suggest? The machine is automated and does it by time. But if the coffee is ground more coarse or fine might the dosage be variable if I am only going by time? This is a math lesson. 😃 Thank you for all of this helpful advice.

@RobG-dp3pw

Жыл бұрын

I have a few new coffees to try. Familiar with any? George Howell Coffee- Alchemy Espresso, Veltons Coffee- Bonsai Blend, Caffe Ladro-Ladro Espresso, Batdorf and Bronson Coffee Roasters-Dancing Goats, Tony’s Coffee-Sugar Bee Espresso. And of course the Illy brand which is easy to find. I was told to stay away from oily beans. All of these are supposed to be friendly for these machines. Thanks again. Appreciate all the help. I’m beyond frustrated. I have a brand new respect for baristas.

I had a question - can you use a larger frothing pitcher if you wanted to froth more milk?

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you can but might run into clearance issues if you go too big. Marc

@nisreennawar1959

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for replying. Can you save grind level & grind seconds on the “saved” settings for drinks?

@nisreennawar1959

3 жыл бұрын

Also, I am just trying to decide between this and the pro. I have heard the pro has a stronger frother. Do you feel the auto frothing produces good quality milk, good enough for latte art?

@nisreennawar1959

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage another question- do you need to run a blind shot before getting a shot?

@MichaelPSmith-mp1fk

2 жыл бұрын

@@nisreennawar1959 did you ever figure that out? I'm wondering as well

If you have the time and patience to get this machine to give a decent shot of espresso.... GOOD LUCK! I couldn't get it to work and it's going to get packed up and sent back to Amazon

@Wholelattelovepage

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Bob, Thanks for sharing your experience - sorry it was not a good one.

Hi, one question: I also have this machine but extraction starts always before 8 seconds (even with grinding at 1!). I have checked the water temperature with just letting water out and the temperature is only around 72 °C. Is it also that low at your machine? Even if I go in settings and set brewing temperature to maximum it is still at 75°C....

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi VH, That's far to cold as 75C is equal to 167F (including that for American audience - you want 195-205F). Question is how are you measuring that temp? Only way I'd give credit to those temps is if they were coming from a Scace reading done properly. Marc

@vincentherz6103

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks for your response. I have a digital thermometer and I measure directly below the brewing head (without filter holder). I press on brew (manual mode, that it does not stop automatically) and let the water run in a small espresso cup (which I hold below the brewing head that the water is only very short in contact with air). I make the cup two times full with water and throw the water away to have the cup pre-heated. Then I measure what's running afterwards in the cup (while it's running in, so nearly no time delay). I know the measurement is still not perfect but the difference is from my point of view still very high. Also measuring out of the hot-water-dispenser shows similar results (I measured directly the water jet). The thermometer is working correctly, I tested it with cooking water. I have the feeling that my machine is defect - extraction starts always to early, nearly no crema, coffee does not taste good and puck is always wet. Tested with three different beans and never had good results.... The point is that I already received a new machine as replacement and it has the exact same low temperature. So I'm a bit lost now :-( And the plate on top of the machine is also not getting hot - shouldn't this be a cup heating area? Is it getting hot at your machine? Thank you!!

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi VH, You're welcome. Not perfect temp measurement technique but it should be close enough. And should be hotter IMO. What does Breville say about the low temps? You indicate they've replaced the machine already for low temp?

@vincentherz6103

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, they just said that it should be 93 °C during extraction (in the filter holder) and that is what they measure with their machines. The first replacement device I received from the seller and it shows the same low temperatures. Seems like I have to further follow up with Breville. In your video you measured also the temperature - was this the temperature with which the espresso is coming out? Was not clear to see how you do it exactly. My final espresso has only 60°C in the cup... Thank you!!

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent, I would definitely follow up with your retailer and/or Breville. We did measure temperature in the video but it was for the milk froth and not the brew water. Marc

Bonjour Dans le menu est qu il y a la langue française ? Merci

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Salut, merci pour la question. Oui, le Barista Touch a un menu en français. Extrait du manuel de la machine: "Langue et unités Basculez la langue entre l'anglais et le français et l'unité entre ° F et ° C" Marc

Can we froath cold milk ?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi tp, Yes!

Does the machine stop working when the water filter reaches the point of change? What if you don't have a new filter on hand?

@matthewdavis8984

4 жыл бұрын

Great question - filters are available online, but if you can't find one, just use pre-filtered water like a brita system to fill the reservoir.

@itsm3th3b33

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewdavis8984 My question is not on what type of water I should use (filtered or unfiltered). I want to know if the machine will allow me to use an expired filter or if it will malfunction or if it will refuse to work until I replace the filter.

@matthewdavis8984

4 жыл бұрын

@@itsm3th3b33 ah gotcha, the machine will simply remind you to replace, but it will not force you to do anything. The reminder is triggered by an algorithm based on the hardness of your water. So, the harder the sooner the reminder. If you leave an expired filter on for too long, the machine might struggle to pull water through it, which could cause a separate issue. Does that help?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Hi JY, The machine will not stop working. Depending on your water hardness you will be at risk of increased scaling if filter is not changed on schedule. Marc

@Wholelattelovepage

4 жыл бұрын

Be aware Brita filters generally do not treat/reduce hardness which is responsible for scale formation. Marc

Thanx for the info

@Wholelattelovepage

5 жыл бұрын

Hi snl, You're welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc