Most of them on my bus, I noticed their parents touch with kids passes and the kids just walk without even looking at the driver. They think drivers don’t notice 😂😂😂

I used to work for stagecoach at the old Stratford bus garage when people paid cash. It was 70p outside zone 1 but £1.00p to go into it. A man got on wanting zone 1 and gave me 50p and 3 20p so I gave the 10p change. Others got on behind him. A short time later revenue got on and brought the man to me and asked if I recognised him.I said yes and explained as above. It turned out that he had not taken his ticket and someone after him had taken it. Revenue still reported me and I had to go and see the garage manager.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

It’s was harder in those days I been told

Used to pay 10p for a bus ride as a youngster, back when it was cash only. No pass, travel cards or oyster. Just a paper ticket with the fare amount and no money no ride. unless my dad took us out with his staff pass from the underground or blue pass for family discount. Back in the 80s

I used to work at a station where we had a young girl badgering you to sell the £2 off peak child travel card early in the morning (0930 is the earliest). She was stopped by the inspectors and never asked to buy it after that

Bus drivers dont get paid enough to deal with people that dont pay. Companies should Hire security on buses ...simple.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Depends who you work for and where plus your grade, I know bus drivers who earn a lot more than some teachers and Junior Doctors. But yeah it can be as hard as you allow to be..but I heard this point a lot so that what some drivers feel. I was talking to an officer yesterday and he said a he expect is drivers to challenge the person, but they not expecting you to force them to leave if they done want to.

@Brock-Lesnar-WWE

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 would you recommend working for go ahead or stagecoach in london

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Well that a bit harsh in not looking to bring criminals record or any trouble for young people and children my video is about responsibility. I never done code red on any kids either I deal with things myself, our jobs is to deal with these things. It’s just about how you do it. TfL still expect us to challenge people. They just made it easier by telling us to alert them on sms, but inspector don’t want us to sit there like lemons and say nothing, they want us to at least tell them they could face a fine if revenue come on . I know for some ppl it long, they rather chill on react to nothing. This job has a way of changing people.. but I say imagine it was your own company..

Cheers for the video good to see you back.

I really think the fining of kids not in every case. I’m sure she didn’t find anyone on my bus.. but she did say a kid has a pass in this pocket, he not tapped on since 2023 that show you something

Giving out free passes to under 16s for the whole of London was always going to cause problems . If the pensioners can't even use them properly what chance is there of kids not using it properly either

That is well put. If I recall this statistic correctly, TfL currently only have approximately 100 revenue inspectors which while low in proportion, still represents a risk that you take.

Would it not make more sense to make the passes for young people digital? They’ll never forget them then.. in business we call this adapting to the customers needs…

As a bus operator, it really annoys me to see a passenger got in the bus the front door, walk pass me and take a seat without even trying to explain why they choose not to pay the fare. Of course, some passengers, for some reason, happen to forget that there's a ticket machine to pay the fare - though they come back, say sorry and pay the fare - this type of passengers are often over the phone - obviously preoccupied mentally but honest. However, the worst passengers are those who often try to sneak/creep in through the middle door of the bus, like driver unable to see them through the second rear mirror in the cab and, with joy of success, take a seat at the back like they're decent passenger to be valued. But, in reality, most of our passengers in London are beautiful, respectable, generous and deserve safe, reliable public transport.

Kids are well aware of the lack of enforcement on buses so they just couldn't give a damn.

Glad to see you back bro!!

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Thanks

Same happening up here man. Scottish government pay for the kids passes and half the time (more often than not teenagers) come on: "oh i forgot my pass, let me on" and I'm like here we go again

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it get on my nerves, they don’t have to pay but the one thing they need to get free ride they lose it. Why not treat is like gold dust lol

straight forward, I'm 16 and have to deal with an environment filled with people who expect things to be handed to them on a silver platter. It's tiring :p (especially considering I've just started my exams lmaooo) I believe in people educating themselves in their own time and I enrich myself with literature, as well as doing research on the most obscure things - I'm confident I could tell you how to start a nuclear reactor or fly the An225 - but the next generation of people really don't care about wwhat might happen in the future and there aren't enough bright people out there. I'm gonna get out of this collapsing country ASAP.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

You go, sound like you a very mature for you age. Thanks for you comment

@DefaultMale_

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 Thanks lmao. The field I want to go in to when I'm older (eletrical engineering) is filling up with people who honestly just don't know what they're doing, which I see first-hand, especially with my dad in the industry. There's still good people out there but it's concerning the lack of competance in a lot of fields of work that really require it. My dad is a commissioning engineer and I once looked through the layout he was overlooking for a substation that comes out of Hinkley Point C (the biggest nuclear power plant in the country). One of the young design engineers had somehow managed to miss that the emergancy trip was only planned to cover half of the station, which pretty much means in the case of an emergancy, 400kV of power could potentially surge through the power plant. I don't actually know a lot about the field, but I hope to in the future, as its definitely one of many workforces where the younger generation just isn't taking in the skills that the previous ones were so careful with. :P TLDR: big ramble but the future workforce of this country doesn't care enough and I hope to help change that.

I have had a pass in kent for almost a year, keep it in a small plastic wallet so its harder to lose

Good to see your back 👌

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Yeah thanks

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

This video nothing to do with Stagecoach so It’s should be good lol..

Good 2 have u back my friend. I watched this video last week I know where this is and what route u were doing ? Woolwich and u was driving 54 at the time. I like that area n am feeling the Greenwich area a bit more now nice views places n buses as well. Its just the 54 that is the only TL route that goes Woolwich because back in January the 380 went back home to PD Plumstead after nearly 18 years with TL Bellingham Catford. I will comment about this video soon x welcome back my friend ♥️ Stephen

When I was bus driving I used to let them on with or without a pass at the end of the day if they get a good grade and a good education hopefully they’ll get a good job and pay tax and that’s my pension,, better to let them on than leave them at the stop and they don’t go to school

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

They will always get to school, some get there late and may get a detention, that’s a good thing. I want them to do well in school, but I also want them not to take for granted what they have, plus TFL clearly states that their uniform is not a pass..TfL also has the right to take the pass if they misbehave. It’s all just to make them know that the freedom to travel can me taken away. They just have to bring a payment and all is well. I let them all on usually but I have to say something, cos they will carry that attitude into other areas of their life.. If somebody gave them a voucher for £200 pounds and they lost it, they can’t say to shop keeper well I had it so that mean I can get the goods.. I think when I said in video I throw them off, I also said that was rare. I did it recently to a girl who hasn’t shown her pass for 2 years on my school bus and her attitude stinks. Now when she comes on my bus she is all polite and she now has a pass. Some of the kids even go out of their way to show me they got one.Because they no I don’t mess, they have a lot of respect now..I really proven that we can help them kids not to be slack. Lot of the more well to do kids always have their passes and the better the school more likely they have it. So it down to parents and school. I use the pass as one things to teach the kids, I mean all the best for them.

@GreatSageSunWukong

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 in London the buses don't take money so how can they take payment as well as their Zip card? also why are Zip cards so shit that all the user details rubs off them within weeks.

@leylandlynxvlog

Ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 Reminds me of the time on the 54 I let a boy on without his pass who specifically begged to be let on with a sob story (I would have let him on anyway) but then on reaching Lewisham he decided to deride my driving and call me the worse bus driver ever. If it wasn't for other passengers sympathising I would have ended my shift there and then as it rather affected me. Anyway I see your point that it's important to teach the kids not to be entitled but I'm too soft. Also never though to put myself in TfLs shoes, as I always saw it as I work for the operating company not TfL, and as you know in London (or on any other contracted bus service) the operating company doesn't lose anything on missed fares, the bus must run even if no one gets on.

I got kicked off 2 times going to school WITH MY UNIFORM VISIBLE and i just lost my zip card. Got myself an hour detention thank to that driver

@Jackary1232

3 ай бұрын

That's why I just zip my coat up then no one knows who I am ez

@MrTelboy1962

3 ай бұрын

You got an hour detention thanks to your carelessness in loosing your pass, not thanks to that driver. Do you believe that it is right and fair that a bus driver should face disciplinary action for not complying with the companies rules?

@thewoolwichbusguy

3 ай бұрын

@MrTelboy1962 I'm a kid in school uniform the ticket inspectors and tfl don't care so why does the driver care so much

@allenhughes867

3 ай бұрын

Thanks to you more like you had no pass serves you right not driver's fault.

@MrTelboy1962

3 ай бұрын

Your a kid in a school uniform, WITHOUT a pass! The driver cares because it's part of his job to care. Just like you don't want detention, he don't want to get hauled into his bosses office for not doing his job. Would you have reported him if he kicked you off the bus?

Just pay the full fare for the few days it takes to get a replacement pass. £1.50 a day for a week is less than a £100 fine. I know things are tight, and ideally public transport should be nationalised and free imo, but it's not right now, so you have to pay the fare.

@GreatSageSunWukong

3 ай бұрын

if your kids going to school thats £15 a week, I'm on benefits and my weekly spending budget for me and my kid is £50 a week, so about £25 each, £15 is a significant chunk of that.

my son has an 11 to 15 pass, he always carries it, I take him to school everyday and collect him end of day, because he's not allowed to go on his on as he's in a special school, I've had drivers accuse him of being older then 15 and lying about his age, demanding other ID off him when he doesn't have any. its infuriating I think they only do it because he dresses like a proper man and not some whannabe gangster, he's a suit and leather shoes man, always has been since he started primary school. I've got to put up with arguments and accusations from bus drivers for another few years. it shouldn't be allowed he has a pass and it works end of.

Too many free loaders in this country now, all self entitled.

I work for a bus company in the South West and their policy is to let them (school children) travel regardless of whether they have the right pass or any fare whatsoever! Basically the kids down here are 'bullet proof' and they know it! It's so frustrating for the drivers AND the fare paying public because why should they have to pay if some of the kids don't? The analogy I use with these fare dodging individuals is, "would you go into Poundland, Primark or MacDonalds etc (other retailers are available!) and take some stuff up to the cashier at the till and say "Oh, I want this but I can't pay for it.- but I'm still having it" - then I tell them, "No you wouldn't do that because it's stealing - just the same as if you try to ride for free when most other people pay for their journey"....... Anyhoooooooo, I'll get off my soapbox Len, great to see you back Bro - keep the videos coming 👍

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Your analogy is what I have said sometimes.. Thanks

@robertmay8262

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 You're welcome Len 👍

@reevs2153

3 ай бұрын

Cos their kids 😂 if adults dont have enough money then they can get a new job, budget better, apply for govt support Kids cant exactly grab overtime shift or apply for new parents can they 😂

@aizenosaimafidon1119

3 ай бұрын

Erm because they’re children… lol

if public transit is a business, then why aren't roads?? oh wait, every single city would be bankrupt.

Need 10 x the amount of revenue inspectors. Fare evasion is rife everywhere. Good to see you back 👍🏻

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Yeah true

@aaronsmith9209

3 ай бұрын

Should just bring back conductors on the busiest routes and on the trams and make them visible in every borough. I have rid the bus in London 1000s of times, only seen revenue inspectors a handful of times in all that time, they are very rare.

Where do you think the local authorities get the money? Maybe from a money tree? Maybe out of the air? Maybe out of their own earnings , perhaps? Or, could it be from the workers , already paying rip off rents, food bills, energy bills etc?

I'm 20 years old with a beard and tell bus drivers that I'm 10 and it always works for me.

Legit when we have ticket inspectors on our buses and trams its basically show your paper ticket /pass/E ticket some peoples tickets are on smart cards so they get checked with a scanner to make sure its in date .thats how it is in sheffield . Our trams have Conductors who do the ticket selling for people who need it and check passes

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that have that in London, just not enough inspectors to go round

Public transport is meant to be CHEAP. Far cheaper than owning a car!! Instead, these people are charged the highest fares in Europe for an unreliable service.

But what would happen if the kid genuinely applied for a new oyster but had his old broken one on him just to show evidence that they are entitled to the card, because that is what happened to me and when the inspectors came on i got shook 😂😂😂😂

It’s catch 20/20 when it come to kids and going to school and not having the pass on them for what ever reason stuff happens . But don’t you have student pass button on the fare box so the fare is paid ..

That's funny /sad to me. We deal with that foolishness here in Los Angeles. Drivers are "trained" how to deal with that passenger, honestly I don't know how they are in London but in this town we learn quickly we're not paid enough to police folks. We quote the fair/policy once and what they do is on them. Oh and hope your company let's you do more videos, we're allowed to to do videos talk to the press etc. Be safe out there... CHEERS

Good friend of mine quit driving London buses because he kept getting shit from Revenue Inspectors. Not the customers, not even the drunk ones, but the inspectors.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

They usually ok with me, just let them know if people on without paying.

@HACKERHITMARKER333

2 ай бұрын

im going to book the inspectors

I will never make a fuzz!! I don’t care who come on my bus without a pass

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

If I had a shop I wouldn’t employ you lol..

An old trick is one person gets on and goes to back drops pass out window and a buddy catches it and gets on.

Looks like Woolwich

I have a freedom pass and I don't go anywhere without it since the changes were made to the pensioners one I have seen many going on buses before 9.30am (I have a Disabled freedom pass)

I can't remember the last time I saw a revenue inspector on a TfL bus, most of the fines probably never get paid anyway. Are you enjoying the 54? I would have to say it's my favourite Catford route.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

There is only 16 officers covering all of South East, 54 is a good route but I’m still 47, company gave me that. Was a good day ok a different route. It’s I a very nice route

I see most drivers not bothered any more ,as fare evasion is out of Control, kids adults just getting on and off buses as they wish without paying or a pass

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Just had a kids, told him his suppose to pay, I didn’t expect him to, for me it letting them be aware. I just tell them go to TfL website and tell their parent. Most kids look baffled cos nobody told them that before. Some know already

like your new glasses I have gov card tap it when I get on don't have a pass you can't get on bus driver will tell you start walking

Most of them just go 🙏 then just enter.

The kids just say that their phone has died and you can’t not take them because they are classed as vulnerable persons

@leylandlynxvlog

Ай бұрын

I've seen drivers still refuse and had an argument with a driver on that basis. But I suppose if the driver has to refuse then the kids probably have to hope a police car comes buy and flag them down for help calling their parents or something. Who knows. Tbh I'd sooner they take the fare out of my salary than leave a kid stranded but that's just me. Other drivers are more strict and will leave you there no matter if it's 2am.

So can you update me about "Company Stopped me Filming" video?

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

Well they not come back to me, but I posted this anyway lol.. if you don’t see me after this I have been sacked lol

@HACKERHITMARKER333

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 no way they will sack you for this the garage managers love you

@andrewbeadle9168

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 head to BX they would take you!!

That's part of the reason why I'd only do lates if I got into the job. Far less chance of inspectors and far less passengers. Which routes at Catford garage, if any, have late rotas?

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

They have late rota, 136 54 273 160 199 47 124

@mohibj

3 ай бұрын

Oh right all routes except 75 and P4. Have you worked at any other London garages?

@HACKERHITMARKER333

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 why doesnt 75 have a late rota

@mohibj

3 ай бұрын

​@@HACKERHITMARKER333in London, rotas only get split if sufficient drivers of the route want it, the union lobbies, the company listens and it's feasible

dont' cause trouble man- you will always lose- it's not worth being attacked for your job- you're doing the right thing.... last thing you want to do is be in court for grappling with kids down the back of a bus for pennies.... the country has little enforcement culture- that's not your fault..... stay safe- look after yourself....

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

The video is really to inform, and to create some discussion, I never get out my cab for fare evasion maybe what I said sounded like it actually throw kids off. No I have refused kids but I’m 10 years it very rare. They normally just jump on another bus. I just hope some of them see the video, just to help them to take responsibility..

my Daughter keeps hers in the back of her Mobile Case

I stopped using passes when I was 16 and the last 3 years has been much easier even though I have to pay. Those passes were flimsy so they would always crack or not work and without it, I couldn't get home. I just made sure I had £10 on an oyster or bank card because those passes will get lost or break😂 otherwise it was an hour walk home😭

Here up north, drivers do deal with it

should they allow people to vape on buses

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

No, why.

@Haris1

3 ай бұрын

@@thatbusdriverguy4182 cause it wouldbe good for me

@b7beast520

Ай бұрын

It's disgusting. If someone is vaping upstairs that horrible smell comes down to the cab

@Haris1

Ай бұрын

@@b7beast520 just open the windows of the cab

Is everything sorted you can post videos again?

@declangaming24

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it must be

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

No lol, I been a rebel lol.., I just thought this vid just about kids so what can they say.

What happens if young people pay

There rumours that school kids in uniform can get on the bus for free between hours like 8am to 5pm school days only however I’ve never seen official source this. Is this facts or lies?

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

School kids can get on for free everyday any hour with their free pass without that they have to pay

Kids think they are smart one kid said they didn’t have their pass which they did

I have a question, I know that wheelchair users get to travel for free but what about the wheelchair handlers/carers do they need to present a payment for authorised travel? Also love your videos Watch them to kill the time on the long x36 route in Scotland

Parenting sucks nowadays, this is the issue when millennials become parents, them being spoilt brats themselves gonna make their children like that too

Weird to start off so negative then talk about positive thinking

@dez3540

3 ай бұрын

It _really_ isn't...

@kpopfan674

3 ай бұрын

@@dez3540 It *really* is.

Your waffling this morning 😂

Perhaps there should be a CHILD NO PASS button on the Ticket Machine which drivers press to record each passless child which a) accumulated across the network would show the extent of the problem and b) allow those fares to be collected from local authorities? Freedom Pass holders are sometimes waived on by drivers either due to too much fumbling or if they look elderly just waived on as assumed to hold a Freedom Pass but these don’t get recorded by a manual button press either as far as I am aware? During the CoVid free travel, I believe drivers were required to manually tap a button on the Ticket Machine to record the number of passengers boarded and thus the extent of revenue foregone. If that data somehow linked to the RPI’s Revenue Inspection Device and would thus indicate the number of passless Zip Card holders to expect to encounter on that particular trip.

@tonycalow708

3 ай бұрын

Your second part I have a problem with! Why should I and other local tax payers pay for kids that cant be bothered to carry their pass or ride without paying. Their parents give them money for a pass but they don't buy one as they`ve either spent the money on snacks or vapes and then try to ride without paying! Take their names and addresses and send the parents a bill for the time and effort of sending the bill out and for the lost revenue! Ex bus driver here.

I would agree to a degree, but is a child is clearly visibly a school child then it seems a bit stupid, even jobsworth. I know kids are fragile these days and have no resilience but in some instances a child having to walk home could be put in danger - this has happened in the past. And how do you "fine" a kid with no verifiable ID?

@james-5560

3 ай бұрын

The same danger they were in walking to the bus. Come on that's a stretch, no pass no travel, simple. You're an example of a pathetic parent who is contribing to this modern day behavour issue. Kids need to learn, not be constantly wrapped up in cotton wool and then crying when they get older every 2 minutes.

@thatbusdriverguy4182

3 ай бұрын

This was in the morning and generally I just talk to them, to inform them what the should be doing, plus even if you did nt let them stay on, the next bus will take them. Just need to give them some discomfort sometimes so they can be more responsible. It’s not about seeing they are a child. Free travel is with a pass. Foreign kids on holiday have to pay or kids from outside London, so you just can’t assume that child comes from London.