I hope you all enjoy the video! The goal now is to release the next video before the DLC (I'll try my best, lol). Also, regarding the DLC, please try to avoid spoilers in the comments. Many of us, including myself, are still blind to it! We will discuss the numen, life, the crucible, the great tree, etc. These topics have a high chance of being addressed by the DLC, so I really want to cover them before they become obsolete. As usual, your thoughts and feedback in the comments are greatly appreciated!

@ComradeOgilvy369

29 күн бұрын

The dlc keeps proving you right. On more videos than this one, just saying. I found a dynastic statue of Marika in the sky

The nox gotta be the most interesting group of people to me in elden ring. The eternal city is some of the most beautiful scenery in the game

Ahhh I love this theory! What’s spectacular about the language used in the item descriptions is that they all point to the destruction of “the Eternal City” while never indicating which one! It very well could be the Ancient Dynasty! I also agree with you about the age of Marika, she has most likely been alive since the Ancient Dynasty, we will surely learn what happened to her fellow Numen in the DLC. Looking forward to more!

@EpicShortBus

4 сағат бұрын

😢 we found out

22:30 the hammer is one thing. but another is the actual anvil she is using. the anvil looks incredibly old and roughly forged. its its reminiscent of some of the oldest archeological examples of tree anvils that we have on record. a tree anvil is basically a metal spike that you hammer into a stump and radagons boss room inside the erd tree where the anvil is located does appear to be a giant stump. in real life some of the earliest anvils were made of meteoric iron. also in the original trailer Marikas hammer is alot less worn than it is when we receive it. so im thinking they were in there quite a while.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

The anvil looks meteoric in concept arts too, thank you for the info

I started very critical (Astel is said to have stolen the night sky, there's one Eternal City without a sky, it makes sense) but honestly? You've got me convinced. That was some compelling stuff, and the Mohg revival thing really suprised me, i can't believe I've never noticed it.

This is probably the best lore video on Elden Ring I've ever seen. Fantastic research and logical connections.

@DanielGarcia-rx3kt

Ай бұрын

If you haven't seen Hawkshaw's Elden Ring Color Theory video I highly recommend it. That's the one that first blew my mind open.

damn every video you drop is gold. Some additional subtext to support your idea that astel was sent by the greater will is the symmetry between astel and the confessors. The 2 fingers, vassals of the GW, use assassins that use “darkness” incantations to punish tarnished that strayed away from the guidance. Astel is also born of the “darkness” of the void, and *punishes* the nox for betraying the greater will. So both the GW and its vassals uses “darkness” coded sect to punish those that stray from the path. Additionally, you also find the scorpion stinger, a weapon used by a confessor, awfully close to astel. Also astel kind of has a scorpion tail too.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

oh damn i never made that connection, that's pretty good. And thank you!

@swordierre9341

Ай бұрын

​@@Kosmos_er Not sure why it slipped my mind, but the shadow bound beast and baleful shadows may qualify as another set of examples of the the GW's "dark punisher" archetype. The 2 fingers deal in duality and distiction. They may posture with light and virtue, but will secretly use "shadow" things deamed detestable, to enforce their way. Confessors use scarlet rot, and Baleful shadows (and Maliketh)wield destined death (intrestingly these are both "sealed" forces, the scorpion stinger is a sealed outer god, and destined death is sealed by maliketh), the fingers want these forces subjugated but will still tap into them as killing power for their ends. For a while ive toyed with the idea that the rot god was sealed by a shadow bound beast (in a similar thematic vein that Maliketh seals DD). The confessor wielding the stinger creates a link to the 2 fingers, and the wolf head seen on the pommel of the weapon creates a visual link to the shadow bound beasts.The theory you presented in the video, declaring the Eternal City to be Uhl, further strengthens my suspicion as it creates a link between the GW and Uhl, which opens a door to the idea that Uhl, the civilization that houses the rot lake, had 2 fingers, empyrean, and shadow bound beasts.

Should be noted that the Nameless eternal city sits directly below the empty part of the Capital city. I imagined since it's mostly Nox inspired architecture that there was some sort of reprisal against that part of the city maybe after the Shattering or using that part of the city as a trap against invaders and sinking it. Also brilliant catch that the Uld ruins may be from the actual Eternal city.

YES, a thousand times YES! I had slowly been piecing some of these things together myself, but you've just answered so many of the questions I have been asking myself. Phenomenal stuff!

Marika emancipation theory really the only way the game's plot makes sense as a whole to me. Its a classic mythological setup

In astels boss room there are stars and a night sky. I think the phrase "stole their night sky," is very literal.

@Motabee

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Imo he REALLY had to reach to try and disprove what’s obvious. Even the Japanese translation he tried to use to prove his theory doesn’t disprove that the nameless city was attacked and their night sky stolen.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

Considering his nature, it isn't odd for Astel to be able to create his own night sky, especially when even a sorcerer's ball can do it. I understand the appeal of taking that statement literally; however, the points I have listed in the video still need to be taken into account. The Nameless City doesn't show any evidence of being assaulted by Astel-not even one thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ofc, but to me, taking that route just leads to a dead end. It doesn't make anything else make sense and leaves a lot of other questions up in the air.

@PixelOverload

Ай бұрын

​@@Kosmos_er "The Nameless City doesn't show any evidence of being assaulted by Astel"... Other than being destroyed, leveled even, and having their sky stolen? The city's been thoroughly smashed to bits and what few relatively intact structures remain are barely standing or half sunk already. Any more devastation and there'd be little evidence that there was ever a city here in the first place. What we have are 3 Eternal Cities, and 2 (full-fledged) Astels, including 2 intact inhabited cities featuring false skies, 1 annihilated city missing its sky, 1 Astel "Stars of Darkness" in a cavern with no sky of its own whose drop only mentions a "manifestation of the power with which _Astel_ leveled the Eternal City", and 1 Astel "Naturalborn of the Void" with their own false sky that looks _exactly_ like the other cities whose drop description reads explicitly "A malformed star born in the lightless void far away. _Once destroyed an Eternal City and took away their sky_ ", along with the only other item to mention any of this, the "Wing of Astel" (acquired from a chest elsewhere), more explicitly stating "Crafted from a relic of the _Naturalborn of the Void_ who is said to have assailed the Eternal City." This all adds up fairly cleanly and explicitly as far as I can tell, with probably the fewest loose ends in all of Elden Ring's lore. Though I suppose in that way you would consider it a "dead end" as you can't really "solve" a completed puzzle served to you on a platter 🤷

some things to support the idea that Marika is a crossbreed of ancient dragon and numen: she at the end of the game literally has stone skin and the most defining characteristic of ancient dragons are stone scales, most of Marika's descendants have connections with dragons, Godwyn befriended one and founded the dragon cult, Morgott and Mogh are omens and we always attribute this only to their descent from Godfrey but what if this comes from both parents? dragons are clearly deeply connected with the crucible and Morgott and Mogh have more crucible features like wings and tails when all the other omens in the game only have horns, the crucible seems much more present in them, perhaps showing a lineage much more connected to the crucible than did we imagine? Rykard eventually becomes aligned with the serpent of Mount Gelmir and we know that snakes are closely linked to dragons in the souls franchise. The same can be said of Messmer who appears to literally have two snakes attached to his body in a way that they seem like an extension of him, he also possesses dragon communion eyes and obviously uses flames, and the prodigy twins at first don't appear to have any connection with dragons until I remembered about seath from dark souls. Seath is a scaleless dragon who has insectoid wings, interestingly both twins have insectoid wings with no explanation behind it, could it be the fact that they are technically "scaleless dragons" if they have this heritage from their mother? Radagon, who is the other half of Marika, also has some connections, he has red hair that is the same color as the red gold representative of the crucible, the meaning of the name Radagon also has connections with dragons, although I couldn't find the exact meaning that the name has. I also find it interesting that one of Radagon's attacks is a bolt of golden light, perhaps inspired by the lightning of his relatives? interestingly Marika in the story trailer also appears to have red hair at the beginning of the trailer which appears to be turning gold, perhaps she also had red hair until she "created the gold and the shadows"? she was apparently not in Radagon form here, as the side of her breast can be seen and Radagon form is much more muscular than Marika

@davisiotta489

Ай бұрын

I believe Marika is the daughter of the Gloam eyed queen and Placidusax, there are even more connections to this through Malekith but I strongly believe this is the case, with the DLC coming soon I am extremely excited to see if this holds up or no

@davisiotta489

Ай бұрын

What makes me believe this most is the fact that the Nox tried to create artificial dragons and use the power of lightning in mimic tears, implying some connection between the Nox and the dragons, there is an area in Liurnia with three portals that take you to a piece of Farum azula, a bridge in Nockron and the chapel of anticipation, what connects all these places to exist the need for a teleportation system between these places? Marika, the chapel of anticipation is the only place in the game where we find a version of a statue that represents a child instead of its adult version, and the Tarnished archeologist has already done incredible work theorizing that these statues represent Marika, Marika is a descendant of the eternals on her mother's side (Gloam eyed queen) and a descendant of the dragons on her father's side (Placidusax)

We do in fact see Noxian architecture above ground in Leyndell

@davisiotta489

Ай бұрын

is slightly different and probably shows that the erdtree civilization has some roots in the eternal cities...

Only (9-10 depends on location and method of access) more days until the DLC. Can't wait to die 1000 times.

@ckernick

Ай бұрын

soon

@Rudi4rius

Ай бұрын

Dragonbone fist gonna go hard

Love the video. Much respect Kosmos. Looking forward to coming revelations on your channel. Thank-you for these videos, I know it's a lot of work to produce them

The video editing in this one is really nice, love the Ken Burns effect you've got going on with some of the stills. Been enjoying your stuff a lot lately, keep up the good work!

This is your most convincing work by far

I am loving these lore channels with some great new angles

This is a great video! Not only do the theories you put forth make sense within the context of the game, they are also basically confirmed by George R. R. Martin's ASOIAF books. I don't know if you're also a fan of that book series, but GRRM is a writer that likes to touch upon the same themes, ideas, motifs, archetypes, etc. in all of his work, so we've made a few videos where we make connections between Elden Ring and the ASOIAF books, and it reveals a lot about both stories. We talk about the Nox vs. the Golden Order a fair amount in our first two videos making connections between the two. ALSO we have a DLC prediction video coming out in the next few days in which we use your Radagon video as a springboard for a theory about Messmer. We would love to hear how you think the two stories might intersect. Keep up the good work!

My only question concerns Ranni and her questline. It seems like she feared the "baleful Shadow" sent by the Greater Will when she passes from the Lake of Rot up to Manus Celes, but not Astel. When we reach Astel we find a seal within the boss arena, almost as if Astel is guarding Manus Celes against all EXCEPT Ranni (and her betrothed). Ranni's dragon is also at the cathedral, and we slay it to proceed, like some extended test to see if we are worthy of being her Eternal Consort. If Astel serves the GW then why does he not attack Ranni? Is he confined by the Seal or the Lake of Rot? If he is guarding Manus Celes why does he let Ranni proceed? The Seal does not halt Ranni, clearly, and it seems to be designed to keep out all but her successful suitor. Moreover, why did Ranni not ride her dragon to Manus Celes instead of going through the underground? The GW knows what she is doing, which is why the Baleful Shadow is sent. Her path, and questline, make no sense unless she is avoiding the sky and Astel is aligned to her. Moreover, there is a Fallingstar Beast protecting the route to Volcano Manor, and it has clearly caused problems for the Leyndell forces attempting to reach it via the ladder system. It seems too convenient as a benefit for Volcano Manor. Finally, why are so many things that come into contact with Malformed Stars, Fallingstar Beasts and Astels afflicted with the Frenzied Flame? The Leyndell soldiers near Volcano Manor, the Miranda Flowers in the River, near the Malformed Star, the inhabitants of the Yelough Ruins near the Yelough Anix Tunnel (housing the Astel)...the gravity entities seem to incite Frenzied Flame into nearby creatures not unlike the eldritch horrors inciting the Frenzy status in Bloodborne. But it only seems to be Gravity enemies that incite it. The Ailing Village has an Alabaster Lord near it also. It is strange.

@Hoarahchadtheallgrabbing

Ай бұрын

Maybe the source of the frenzied flame power is a yellow star in the sky like the red star wich is the source of thorn sorceries power

@Meatmeballs-arecool.

Ай бұрын

I thought the baleful shadow was sent by the Two Fingers, who, as far as we know, don't have contact with the Greater Will at the moment.

@MaXXssg

Ай бұрын

@@Hoarahchadtheallgrabbinginteresting, I always wondered the significants of the stone miners in the tunnels and the ones that dig meteorites…also why are they guarded by soldiers? It’s very intentional.

@Hoarahchadtheallgrabbing

Ай бұрын

@@MaXXssg In Gael tunnel in Cailed there are redmane soldiers to keep an eye on the magma Wyrm. Also smithing stones are used to strengthen weapons before wars just like Godfrey used them before fighting the Fire Gaints

@DanielGarcia-rx3kt

Ай бұрын

An interesting thing to consider is that Ranni cannot physically move from place to place. It is always by teleportation which is one reason to consider why she didn't just ride Adula to Manus Celes. We also know that Ranni and her people were able to stay hidden from the Greater Will and its vassals as stated by Rogier in the Roundtable Hold if you do his quest line. Iji's Mirrorhelm is a good indication that they know how to do that. However, where there's gold there's shadow. Ranni may have divested herself of her flesh but it's likely the Baleful Shadows have a way of tracking in a way none but an Empyreans's Shadowbound beast can. I speculate that being Shadowbound might have something to do with her fate and that's how she was tracked. We know she still has a fate as Sellen says her fate was halted when Radahn arrested the stars AND the Fingerslayer Blade says one without a fate cannot wield it (and we also can't get it unless beckoned to do so by Ranni first). The only one to have potentially divested themselves of their fate is Miquella based on the wording of the trailer and that the Amber Starlight Shard found in what cut content called St. Trina's Hideaway can be speculated to be Miquella's fate. As such, I think fate is also one of the things Golden that he divested himself of. Another potential reason I think fate has Gold in it is the item description of the Telescope saying the fate of the stars was fettered by the Golden Order. Meaning the stars are likely shackled by the Gold of Radagon's vines (probably why the same item says Carian astrology *withered on the vine*) just like his thorns seal the entrance to the Erdtree. As such, Shadowbound beasts can probably track someone with ANY form of Gold in them as they are tailor-made by the Two Fingers for their respective Empyreans. In Ranni's case: fate. That's my speculation on why Astel didn't do anything. It couldn't. It's also why I think Ranni needed to be wary specifically of the Baleful Shadows.

After playing the DLC it's astounding to me that this theory holds up even better after the lore we get on *spoiler*. Hats off

Great video, this channel is one of the best!

Very much a "it was right there all along" moment.

Great video, i love yours, especially the last 3. music is very quiet for my taste, especially at the beginning it should've been much more impactful, idk if you could do sth about that! :)

BRILLIANT!!! It's just perfect, thank you, thank you very much!!! There were things that I didn't have in mind and of all your videos this is the only one that has brought me something new and truly significant... thank you very much... the worst part is that, and as always happens with Miyazaki, it was right under our noses... magnificent discovery. This will help a lot in the search for what is hidden behind everything, you have enlightened us enormously.

I think the Nameless Eternal City being the one which the Naturalborn destroyed is much simpler, and I don't think that destruction and the event that sent the Nox underground have to be the same thing. You already say that the stars attacking the Nox may be a persistent thing, why can't the Naturalborn be part of that? There are three Eternal Cities, two of which are intact and have night skies, and one of which is destroyed with no night sky. There is a night sky in the Naturalborn's arena, identical to the ones we see in Nokron and Nokstella. If we're meant to read that as anything other than the Nameless Eternal City being the one destroyed, then Fromsoftware are just trolling. There isn't much evidence of a meteor strike on the Nameless Eternal City, that is true, but a) There is no evidence of a meteor strike on the above ground Ancient Dynasty ruins either, and b) Astel doesn't have to have landed on the city to destroy it, he has free movement.

Amazing video bro bravo!

Brilliant work, thank you

As an int/faith enjoyer 8:00 is what I've been screaming internally for months oh my god thank you

This is a great one!!

The people of Uhl figured out how or taught Marika how to create tree-people, which is why Marika took them out and stole all of their clay inscription tablets telling how/about the process.

Loved the video. I also think that your story here best explains why we see so many pillars and giant skeletons imbedded in rock. I bet that was the Pompeii-like spray or rock, ash and magma that was thrown as part of the ejecta from the Elden Beast landing on the lands between.

Fascinating. Your case for the ancient dynasty ruins being the original eternal city, based on archaeological evidence, is very compelling. The Greater Will having a habit of throwing meteors at cities, that makes thematic sense but the actual evidence I find not so compelling. The big question mark in your theory so far, as I see it, is on Marika. The narrative you're constructing makes a great deal of sense so far and I love it, but given how it would reflect on Marika's character, it doesn't fit well with the typical portrayal of characters in this game. She would have a heroic dimension not to be found on anyone else. On the other hand, it would be a story with a mythological dimension, and I have seen Elden Ring as mythology from the first time I engaged with its story. A mythos is a set of stories that encodes ideas about a world order which are applicable to the existential reality of the civilization that created it (in this case, present day humanity). This fits well, I think, with Miyazakis answer to the question of what the story is about: in the end, he said, it is about the ambitions of mankind.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

On the topic of marika have you watched my video on her? Miyazaki had said that all the ER character created by GRRM had a heroism to them and were eventually twisted in some say, i think marika's heroicness is not obious in the game, i think her will and goal to free the world from the GW. But even if the goal could be seen as good, her means to get to it have been very extreme and cannot be considered good, in that way she is like rykard when he tool the road of blasphemy

me when I saw the video is ending: noooo I need moooore theories pls dont leave me hanging

very cool video, well done

Interesting and thoughtful take on the connection between the Eternal Cities and Ancient Dynasty. I think there's a few points I hold in contention, but I have very much enjoyed the story you have been putting together with these videos. One point kind of stuck out to me; I believe Gideon says Mohg is awaiting the "arrival" not "revival" of his dynasty. Which falls in line with Varre's dialogue and the Mohgywn crest item. The followers of blood are all waiting for Mohg to create the dynasty with Miquella.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

Thank you. I had to go check the text files to be sure but it is "revival"

Man whenever I see a new elden ring lore video from pretty much anyone i get a full smile on my face without realising wow

Great video.these were such fresh theories,i always thought about why there is wells leading underground. And the understanding of banishment for me was how life in the surface wasn't possible for them and not like greater will changed the in and outs of the earth . Also thinking about Mough and Morggot. Its intresting that one servers the grace part of marika and the other serves the blood tie of marika. Blood ties vs the ties of Greater will(which is more about everything serving one purpose ratger than your blood being an indication of your rule in the world)

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

That's a cool way to look at it that i didnt concider before, nice

Bruh i cant fucking wait for the dlc man... the suspense is killllllling me

Great theories so far, but after that intro, I'm sorta left wondering about something AFAIK no one has ever addressed, the reason why the Sacred Relic Sword and the Fingerslayer Blade look so similar. Although the former is straight and the latter is curved, they both have the same intertwining helix design for the blade, and most compelling of all, the same rib-caged hilt with outstretched arms for the guard that tells of the divine corpses they were made from...

holy cow what an amazing theory! something i wanted to add is that with the new story trailer we have some rather tenuous connections between the ancient dynasty and the omen worshipping culture purged by marika and messmer. maybe the banishment or creation of the finger slayer blade was a reactionary move in response to losing their divine capital?

would love to see a timeline as viewed by your perspective, you seem to have pretty good insight into the game-s lore and structure.

@Kosmos_er

14 күн бұрын

@@DustDemonTwilight a timeline video will come eventually. The next video in this emancipation series will also be covering the very start of the timeline

I really vibe with this theory, i always was of the belief the Eternal Cities we see were build underground after the Nox were banished from the surface. I wanna ask about some points however. 1. Ordinia and Lower Leyndell? They're both "Sellian style" and suggest the Nox resurfaced in several spots around the world. But I don't see any evidence these other two cities were threatened by meteors. 2. Whats about the black moon? It guided stars and we know in this world stars are more often than not living beings that come crashing down as meteors. Some 1.00 cut content says it explicitly, that in the eternal city meteors and stars are the same. So it seems the Nox fucked around with the cosmos before their ruination. Unless the black moon being lost is a separate event? 3. How would you tie the Carians to the Nox? Are astrologers descendants of the Numen or Nox or dynasty, or are they the progenitors of all these other sorcery cultures? The Carian and Sellian spell sigils are almost identical. 4. This is a weird detail I noticed. For as much as you'd think they would, the Nox never use spells of any kind. The only "eternal city" related sorceries are really Sellian creations. The actual Nox don't use sorcery, quite the opposite they experimented with arcane and lightning.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

1. You are right that they don't seem threatened by meteors, but i can vaguely justify both of them. Lower leyndell tho built in that style, says something about the influence of the eternal city on the golden order but wasn't necessarely inhabited by actual nox. As general rule GW can't do things in detail, if a large group of nox settle on the surface somewhere they will be attacked when the word gets around to him. But obviously small groups or individuals like for example the black knife assassins or we can imagine marika's small nox entourage would not be under threat. Leyndell even it houses a few nox is inhabitted by general landbetween folks. As for ordina it's mostly inhabited by albinaurics and BKA. 2. I have some ideas ofwhat the black moon is and what the nox used it for, it's very speculative tho & i'll talk about it in the "Fate" video. I do think it might have played a role in their rebellion/destruction. 3. Carian are tricky, their ties to eternal city are super clea, you already mentioned the spell sigil. But the game says they descended from the astrologers. Here my take on this, and it's kinda getting into stuff from the next video. My current perspective is that the ancient dynasty/numen are the first "human" of the lands between and were there very early. When they betrayed the GW i don't think all of them were banished, and the rest of the post-dynasty & pre-golden order groups comes form those who remained on the surface. The astrologers might be one of those groups, part of the script i scrapped talked about how the cleyman using buble to read fate is a form of scrying, and the bubles act like a small window into the stars (which we can see if we look at them closely). I tentatively speculate that they use bubles as mediums because they are underground and might have functioned as more traditional astrologers in the past. 4. You do have a point, if you dont consider night maiden's mist as a sorcery since they use directly. But suposedly eternal darkness is an actual eternal city spell. Maybe there is something here that goes back to the description of the albinauric staff

Easiest four thousand five hundred and fifty-five years ever (it's worse if you type it out, of course). Hopefully the "Marika is mad-old, dude" vid is gonna put a bow on this stuff. NEAT.

So to compare the ER timeline with our timeline 1.Prehistoric era ~6000 BC - 3000 Bc - Divine Towers and Ruin-Strewn Precipice stratum. 2. Far Ancient era: ~3000 BC - 500 BC - Uhl/Uld civilization 3. Ancient era ~500 BC - 100 AD: Numen stratum, an early version of Farum Azula and earlier (no longer seen) versions of Nokron / Nokstella 4. Late Antiquity - 100 AD - 400 AD: Sellia, Ordina, modern Farum Azula, Underground Nokron & Nokstella 5. Early Medieval Era - 400 AD - 800 AD: Early Leyndell, The Roundtable, Early Stormveil, Early Castle Morne, etc. Manus Cellis. 6. High Medieval Era: Mid Leyndell, Stormveil, Raya Lucaria, possibly the Golden Road. 7. Farum is crumbled, chunks fall to the ground, above the Golden Road. 8. A third of lower Leyndell is banished underground, it's the Nameless Eternal city now. The ER reveal trailer confirms this, the main gate was being assaulted, today it leads to a hole.

I agree that the Nox themselves and their blue/black architecture is a post-banishment/burial development, but Sellia and Ordina look more like a branching-off from an earlier common civilization. Farum Azula also looks like another branch that shares architecture as well with Nokron and Nokstella, but branched off into Sun worship, as the Sun Realm Shield seems to indicate. All of the Numen-type civilizations seem to have had catastrophes hit them, Farum, Nokron and Nokstella all show signs of meteor strikes. Sellia and Ordina seem to be the survivors of this era, and they evolved along a different path, they are much more like the lower Leyndell quarter, where the Church is.

I’m interested to hear how you think marika was part of the eternal city and ancient dynasty with the dlc story trailer implying she lived in the shadow lands before moving to the lands between and becoming its primary ruler after the creation of gold

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

For now the shadow lands seem to have been part of the lands between at that time.

@godly_potatoe69xd19

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er yeah that’s fair it seems like it was physically connected, but since we know she at least lived there at one point it just seems weird to me to think that she lived there amongst its people, became a god there, created the erdtree there, (according to Miyazaki’s interviews), just to come to the lands between and be part of what looks like a completely different culture who then were sealed underground. I do admit though there’s too many ties to the eternal cities and ancient dynasty for there not to be a connection there so it’s really weird how she seems to have connections of around 4-5 distinct eras and versions of civilizations. Shadow lands -> ancient dynasty -> eternal cities -> barbaric golden order -> fundamentalist golden order

What aspect of the DLC are you most looking forward to Kosmos? (or some say Kos)

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

Everything, really

@OCMOOO

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er A Tarnished of culture I see🤔

I think the round table bridge (up the elevator) that is blown up with no traces of it left led to the old greattree and the Uhl Palace ruins before it Sank and is older than lyndell capital. And since the Uhl palace ruins housed or had relations to the outer god of scarlet rot which seems to be some kind of scorpion, Who was sealed away by Malenia's mentor. Who is wearing armor similar to that of the statue on the Roundtable bridge. (refrence prosthesis heirloom) He is a man who was given a blade by a fairy to seal it. Who I'm guessing was Saint Trina. It's because of this I think Miquella and Malenia may be older than the rest or at least Rennala's kids. The round table with its bridge are definitely older and hold ties to Beast architecture rather than Lyndell and the bridge leads to the open crater with the only possible location it leading to would be a Greattree that is depicted on the bridge itself or The Palace of Uhl that likely surrounded the Tree prior to the Erdtree. I also think the Greattree's roots petrified after it was replaced and the former prince of death is the face we see under stormveil and that's why it's petrified compared to all the other roots. (And to go even deeper I think the former prince of death was Ensha who I think might be the king of Farum Azula and Marica's father. Who i think served under the outer god to Plassidusax with their Greattree and the person who I believe Marika's golden lineage from and why Godwyn the golden came out much like her father who was on the side of the dragons and who was the prince of death before godwyn.

The DLC probably messes up your speculation about Marika, but I'd like to see the original theory without the DLC in consideration anyway.

@Kosmos_er

24 күн бұрын

The shaman village lore is something I'm still trying to figure out, I don't think it's as straightforward as many are taking it, there is something especially odd about the timeline of events. The EC connections of Marika didn't just disappear either but have to be re-evaluated ofc. That being said, the DLC actually brought really good evidence to things I was gonna talk about in part 3 of the theory, things that were purely speculation before that. So I am eating good.

My theory is that the Greater Will is the planet we are on, and the Crucible is essentially its heart. When the Elden Ring came to this planet, it effectively merged the two together to form the Golden Order.

I think there’s really compelling evidence that there was a meteor strike in the nameless eternal city; thats where we find elden stars, on a corpse overlooking the roots of the erdtree. Definitely an unrelated meteor impact to what ur talking about, but in my head the “golden star” that destroyed the nameless eternal city was forgiven by Marika and some other numen who embraced the power of the elden ring, and nokstella and nokron where bitter about that and eventually betrayed the greater will.

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You disregard that meteoric lifeforms don't come crashing down but from void portals. And the Eternal Darkness sorcery suggests that during their banishment the Nox in their desperation to draw stars in they accidentally lured the Astel by opening such a portal. As we can see in the AoS ending Ranni uses the dark moon as a portal but the Nox lost access to their moons after being forced underground so they used Eternal Darkness as an alternative. Worth noting in regard to this are the graven masses invented by Sellen. The talismans call these creations "seeds of stars" and the lazuli variant exudes gases that look like false night skies. One that is part of the environment has formed its own false night sky where we find Azur's staff. Perhaps Sellen as her name alludes is a Sellian and as they are descendants of the Eternal (according to Gowry +night sorcery description link Sellia to the Eternal City) she tried emulating the practice of forming stars.

New video letsgoooooo

The Elden Beast is a Helldiver confirmed

wow how did we not notice this before. now it seems so obvious that the areas called eternal cities are just modern evolutions of the ruined eternal cities all around them

So wait a minute If the ancient dynasty is the original nox civilization why is the architecture so different? There isn't even a resemblance between the two and the mysterious Moses like figure depicted everywhere in old dynasty ruins isn't present at all in the "new" nox cities I can completely buy the theory that the original nox cities above ground were leveled beyond recognition which forced them to go in hiding, but why are there 2 different ruins in siofira? What destroyed the original ruins which forced them to build the new settlements ? And what caused this radical shift architecture? I also find it too coincidental that there's one destroyed eternal city with no false night sky and then later find astel with a false night sky similar to that of the nox just like how his remembrance said for that to not actually be the case

@teagancombest6049

27 күн бұрын

Why doesn't modern Rome look like Rome of 2000 years ago? 2000 years isn't even very long in the lands between! Cultures change over time even if they're the "same" culture.

@Kosmos were you saying that there is now even more evidence that Radagon is a mimic?

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

i don't believe i mentioned that

Joke theory: there will be a people called the Lumos in the Land of Shadow, since the Lands Between already have the Nox.

Mogh more like Mog amirite

If you want to destroy a city, a meteor bombardment would probably be best, but Astel also can teleport and shoot lasers that seem to both be based on gravity magic. I can see him teleporting around just killing everyone, not concerned with destroying the city. The way Astel teleports looks like he gathers stars/light to him, that's how he "stole" the stars. Enough teleporting around, no more stats left. Also, don't neglect the power of flowing water. Many structures in the Nameless Eternal City are sunk beneath the shallow water. Water that continuously flows down from a great height and washes over everything. The structures we see could have sunk into the craters from previous meteor impacts, and the water pushes the ground around it to fill and cover holes. If enough damage was done, the debris from Astel could literally have filled all craters and smoothed over the surface almost at the same time. I'm not saying this analysis is right or wrong, just some observations I think aren't given enough consideration.

Music at 0:55?

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

Shadow of the Colossus OST 30 - Demise of the Ritual

Kosmos how do I get a nox wife what's the lore on that?

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

just become the elden lord bro

@johncra8982

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er ofc, anything for my spookywife harem

You don’t have enough subscribers

Maybe the Nox just moved underground because rent was too high in the capital

Is there already a correct timeline of old events? Like, can someone please arrange those chronologically: 1) Crucible is created 2) Greater Will comes to lands between 3) Elden Beast comes to lands between 4) Marika comes to lands between 5) Placidusax is Elden Lord 6) Elden ring is created 7) Marica becomes god 8) Numen/Nox betray the Greater Will I was sure it was 1 > 2 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 7 but I can't fit the rest.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

1-3-6 > 4 > 8 > 5 > 7 There is nothing fully confirmed tho, just different interpretations. Next video will deal with the timeline as well

@TheExai

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er I though placidusax was elden lord in crucible times, pre greater will and then the meteorite, among others, destroys farum azuls, brings elden beast, creates the tree etc

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

@@TheExai The elden ring/eldern star pre dates the placidusax, other wise he woudn't be an elden lord and there woudn't be an elden ring in farum azula. The greater will is the one who granted inteligence to the beasts in fact

more often than not, I disagree in the practice of atribution, like the costume that S procedee of Z or N is equal to M that commonly is done with characters and cultures by the fandom, as well I am exceptic to give agency to the greater will, even if the game already does it, since taste to me like a scapegoat or pseudipanacea. WITH THAT SAID I LOVE YOUR THEORY (EVEN IF I DISAGREE IN SOME LESSER POINTS), I never consider the posibility that the uhl culture was the original ascenders of the nox, even if I consider them to be descenders of old liurnians (well, one thing don't abnegate the other)

Ah!! Serais tu...french? Je me disais que cet accent subtil me disait quelque chose... Excellente vidéo, hypé pour le dlc, mais il va falloir éviter Yt les derniers jours avant la sortie...me faire spoiler les boss une semaine avant la sortie par """"""certaines"""""" chaines depuis des années j'en peux plus...😳

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

bon courage avec les spoilers, il ne reste plus beaucoup de temps 😭

09:51 The best looking attack in the game for me: Cosmic explosion. I also notice that Elden Beast uses some of the same move as Astel but somewhat different color. Astel Nebula is Purple Blue but Elden Beast Nebula is Purple Pink. I am not sure if those are related to any of the color is the cosmic event but those look very cool and memorable. Of all the theory videos coming up recently this one is the most convincing for me. I like it a lots. Thank you for the video But still some questions remain: 1 of the 3 eternal cities has no starry sky, it is said that the sky was taken away. So it make sense that is the one. Your theory doesn't explain why one of the 3 eternal cities doesn't have it. And the Eternal City has Selia as their above ground operation like you said as well. So it is not like they doesn't exist there The Alabester Lord uses pulling gravity and so does Radahn. If he want to stop the star from Celia or prevent them from coming down it would make more sense if his gravity magic is a pushing out gravity for me (Onyx Lord). So It is likely that Radahn want the star to come to him in some way but that action and the fact he won it accidently also save Selia

The nameless eternal city is the only one missing its sky. Presumably because it was stolen. It is abandoned because its night sky was stolen.

How am I just realizing the three fingers are the left side of the controller and the 2 fingers is the right side😮

I'm sold ! To clarify the descendant of Marika thing from 1.0, it should be said that a lot of 1.0 stuff is very barebone in terms of translation. It's often a whole lot of very literal translations based on incomplete or (very) early Japanese text, some of it even appears as purely machine translated to serve as a basis of work. In short, the Nox in general are not necessarily descendants but "of her lineage". So, Numen like her, essentially. Just like what the final game ends up saying in short, but it is true that the internal names for the Eternal Cities and the Nox all directly tie her to them: Marika Ruins, Marika Lineage, ... All that to say, yes, I think you're right on the money with this theory. I'd be curious about your thoughts on the missing part of Leyndell, since it seems to match with the Nameless Eternal City underneath. Are you overall suggesting that the Greater Will hates Marika ? That it's trying its best to destroy and bury the things that she and the Eternals brought ? We already have a lot of evidence that Marika always wanted to kill God, so I'm guessing this is the Emancipation you're talking about :D

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

I actually don't have any strong opinions on the missing part of leyndell, but I think it's probably not the nameless eternal city as I see them as post banishment structures. As for the emancipation, it is indeed from the GW. But the god she wants to kill is the elden beast the herself with it.

@TheRealTetro

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er With Leyndell being a mish mash of different styles of architecture, most importantly the Fortified Manor and some of the remains of the Lower Capital being very Sellia-like, I definitely think there's something here and that it works with your theory. The Nameless Eternal City and Leyndell also have in common that they're the only places where we find gargoyles, with the ones in Nokron being relatively close, considering they're directly down the waterfall that leads to Deeproot Depths. And of course there's also the vines passing through the ruins, making it even more similar to Leyndell. If Sellia needs to be protected from interstellar bombardment, maybe it's also because they've already seen it happen.

@mdcandronic

Ай бұрын

​@@Kosmos_er regarding 1.00, there Nox armor was also named clothes of the "Empyrean family". Makes me believe being Empyrean is something almost genetic or blood related like the Targeryan ability to befriend dragons. Not a summary title and honour given to certain people by a decree.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

@@mdcandronic I agree, and is also the reason why i think the god of placidusax had to be human aswell

But there are a lot of Nox ruins above ground.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

if you give me an example i can adress it

@K8theKind

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er Each of the wandering mausoleums that are above ground, ordina liturgical town, Sellia which you talk about in your video, multiple lifts leading from below ground to above ground and most importantly Leyndell the capital.

@mattb6616

Ай бұрын

​@@K8theKindthe lifts are definitely built by the nox and use entirely nox architecture yeah

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

@@K8theKind The wandering mausoleums aren't nox ruins but rather recent (after the night of the black knives) structure created in nox style. The compound where they are made is also near and elevator, which i mentioned as a structure built after banishement to link the surface to the underground. Selia, ordina and lower leyndell also post date the undeground eternal cities. We know this because the link between selia and nokron goes one way, selia is more recent, theyr inherited things from the underground city, and they are explicitely the descendants of the eternal. We even have a pair of nox watching over them. When i say there is no nox ruins above ground, i mean there is no sign of cities like the black marble cities that we can find underground like nokron and nokstella were ever built on the surface before their banishement.

@K8theKind

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er I’m not understanding the distinctions you’re drawing or how you’re separating these or calling the mausoleums “recent.”. But I would like to understand how you’re drawing these distinctions. It still doesn’t make sense to me.

Is it possible the destroyed Eternal City is in the Shadow Realm?

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

shadow realm is something else, but i am very confident we will see and hear more about the numen and eternal city there. You can check my DLC trailer breakdown for more info

@teagancombest6049

27 күн бұрын

​@@Kosmos_erwomp womp

divine cellphone is offline according to quelaag, fingers not worthy

Stealing your sky rn

YESSSS SOMEONE THIKING SAME AS ME //i alway fight my Thai-ER-LORE-Community about Astel ,Elden Beast&Greater Will is connected and How Greater Will summons Astel rained down on this land that how more than one Astel and how Malformed Star&Fallingstar Beast spread throughout the land(my proof is Altus Tunnel had that Malformed Star sit close Leyndell, Capital that no one cares/i mean comeon Leyndell Soldier&Miner in Tunnel don't feel threatened and Fallingstar Beast wander around on right side of Tree Sentinel Duo Gate)

@tossapat027

Ай бұрын

Funfact : Caelid seen dislike these creatures unlike Leyndell. Sellia, Town of Sorcery sealing 1 Fallingstar Beast in Sellia Crystal Tunnel and i don't sure it that one's say "The mightiest hero of the demigods confronted the falling stars alone-and thus did he crush them..." I wonder if General Radahn did beat Fallingstar Beast that landing on Sellia and put it in Sellia Crystal Tunnel before use full manipulate Gravity Sorceries sealing the sky and fate of the stars . . . 💫

@tossapat027

Ай бұрын

Wait I just realized I asked. if that correct that why the falling star that was held by General Radahn landing on Limgrave upon the defeated because His sealing the falling stars in Sellia Crystal Tunnel and Radahn just helding sky to stop more stars landing not blocking Sellia from the falling stars and Eternal Darkness Sorcery on a corpse inside of the Swamp Lookout Tower's jail cell it become Forbidden sorcery of Sellia, Town of Sorcery by Radahn order 🌌

Am I absolutely tripping or is this a reupload lol

@joshk494

Ай бұрын

I think he said yesterday that he uploaded a lower quality version than he meant to. This one looks nicer.

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

Yes as joshk494 said I made a mistake yesterday and had to reupload the video

Alabaster lords, Onyx lords, Fallingstar beasts, Astels, all of them are stars that the Greater Will sent to destroy Farum Azula and the Eternal cities

The city of Selia is a Nox ruin above ground. There is even a giant Nox throne there guarded by two Nox.

@gwenori7656

Ай бұрын

He specifically addressed Selia, if you watch the full video

We need to get better translators for these games. All of them seem to have their stories misconstrued by bad translations.

@thegreatcosmicaxolotl

Ай бұрын

The problem lies in the fact japanese words can gave different meanings, or refer to the same word but wrote differently to create a distinction.

@teagancombest6049

27 күн бұрын

Translation isn't perfect. Even speaking isnt perfect even when we speak the same language. All interpretation is misinterpretation and that's the best we can do!

Umm actually !! 🤓☝️

gg

Where’s Godwyn? Why don’t you love Godwyn?

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

he is dead bro

@puzzleheaded6195

Ай бұрын

@@Kosmos_er nuh uh bro

It sounds like you said the ruins of Rome are 2 million years old? 🧐

@Kosmos_er

Ай бұрын

2 millennia

Lost me at Eternal city 😐

dude , I honestly feel like you need to go through your facts because there's a lot of stuff missing. Your take on what happened to the nameless eternal city at 8:00 has to be scrutinized because at the end of the day the Nameless eternal city is destroyed and right under Lleyndel. It's edges also even matches the spots flooded in the real city.