Restoring Machine Tool Paint

Ғылым және технология

A few hints on paint stripping and re-painting machine tool parts. These are typically cast iron items with natural surface roughness. Consequently they are not worked all the same as in a typical car body paint job. Also I comment on the consumables I use, like paint cups, abrasives, etc.
Products used in the video:
Fill primer: Autocolor AP-Merit 7520 HS 2-component (with brush: no thinner; with spray gun: thinner added)
Abrasive: 3M Xtract 710W, 240 grit and 320 grit, 150mm dia. pads
Cups: SATA RPS 0.3 liter
Spray gun: SATA MiniJet with 1.0mm nozzle
Paint: Spies Hecker Permasolid 275, color code RAL 7012 basalt grey
00:12 Intro
03:57 Paint stripping
06:49 Cleaning the casting
08:24 1st Masking
11:25 Filler step 1
22:23 Filler step 2
29:28 Mixing paint
34:03 Painting

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  • @StefanGotteswinter
    @StefanGotteswinter Жыл бұрын

    Excellent paintjob, looks -as you say- factory or better than factory. Appreciate the tips on masking a lot. I didnt expect that you do so much work to the casting itself, but it makes sense. Thank you!

  • @paulpickard8327
    @paulpickard8327 Жыл бұрын

    The moral of this video: There are no shortcuts to an excellent result

  • @DrKnow65
    @DrKnow65 Жыл бұрын

    Good to hear from you again, I value your content. Please don't be a stranger to KZread, the time and effort you invest in sharing you knowledge is a benefit to us all.

  • @keithgarland3404
    @keithgarland3404 Жыл бұрын

    The thing is, after you have been taught general engineering principles, and gained hand's on experience over many years, you know what is top quality work, and what is slap dash or bodge work. Your work is always top quality, thank you for sharing your skills.

  • @sarahdelacruz5208
    @sarahdelacruz5208 Жыл бұрын

    What a great video. Another reason to repaint stuff is…. “I like to have nice stuff” it may work fine, but its also nice that it looks good.

  • @Gottenhimfella

    @Gottenhimfella

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes. For some reason, everyone understands that cars (and their owners) benefit from perfect paint jobs, but they don't extend that to machine tools.

  • @NS-no1li
    @NS-no1li6 ай бұрын

    Forth one that is very important … having pride in your work. That makes a craftsman. As you said.. people notice that..

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson4232 Жыл бұрын

    Love it, "I'm starting the sanding process with 240 grit". Most people I know would consider that the finish sanding process. But the end results speak for themselves, those tables look much better than new.

  • @chuckster6513
    @chuckster6513 Жыл бұрын

    The smooth shiny finish shows your pride in your work ! Clean tools are much easier to work with. Great job.

  • @mkemachineinc.8058
    @mkemachineinc.8058 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as always, thanks for taking the time to share it! That paint turned out phenomenal.

  • @stevelacher8092
    @stevelacher809214 күн бұрын

    I enjoyed and liked this video the first time I watched it. Now, I'm studying it for all the details. I find myself with a new old lathe, a Monarch CK12. Hopefully I will be able to do something like your fine job

  • @woodscreekworkshop9939
    @woodscreekworkshop9939 Жыл бұрын

    Painting is the least of the work that goes into a paint job. It's a lot of work and only those that have done it can understand. Great work!

  • @CraigsWorkshop

    @CraigsWorkshop

    Жыл бұрын

    Painting is 95% priming, filling and sanding, beer brewing is 95% cleaning, and welding is 95% cutting, grinding and clamping 🙂

  • @AlmostMachining
    @AlmostMachining Жыл бұрын

    This is an amazing video Alex! I am a firm believer in good paint so much so that i have a few years of projects waiting on paint. I really like your approach to this and the reasonings behind it. Thank you !

  • @francomaccaroni795
    @francomaccaroni795 Жыл бұрын

    this video is so full of good details.... is far far better than factory

  • @ydonl
    @ydonl Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, Alex! Thanks for making it; very helpful. I think people who don't understand why you must do these things will never understand, no matter how you explain it! :) It is in your soul, or it is not!

  • @chrisstephens6673
    @chrisstephens6673 Жыл бұрын

    One should never have to apologise for wanting things to look as good as they work. Things that look good, but not flash or trashy, are a sign of taste!

  • @223mike
    @223mike Жыл бұрын

    I completely agree with you, if it's being done,do it perfectly !!!!!

  • @alansmith5690
    @alansmith5690 Жыл бұрын

    Yes, that's definitely how an engineer paints things! Excellent results.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 Жыл бұрын

    Holy cow that is some really nice paintwork. Definitely a ton of work and a joy to use and clean with pride. 👍👍😎👍👍

  • @465maltbie
    @465maltbie Жыл бұрын

    I always learn so much from your videos, thank you for putting so much effort into them. Charles

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you like them!

  • @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
    @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Жыл бұрын

    I've been forced to move my workshop, I'm going to take the opportunity to re-paint the lathes, pillar drills, bench vices and worktable legs all the same colour.

  • @cylosgarage
    @cylosgarage Жыл бұрын

    Renzetti level stuff!

  • @milohiscox
    @milohiscox Жыл бұрын

    Excellent. Now I’m gonna watch your Mikron video again for the 10th time.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    :D oh man, my most badly edited video that is.... But thanks for your interest!

  • @rodfrey
    @rodfrey Жыл бұрын

    So many hints about your approach to life contained in this video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @be007
    @be007 Жыл бұрын

    you taking a paint job to a whole new level ! wel done sir !

  • @cogentdynamics
    @cogentdynamics Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos! I enjoy trying to do what you do. I'm not as good but I have many tools which continue to serve me and most importantly, I enjoy.

  • @copasetic216
    @copasetic216 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic job man. Wow

  • @darrenfloen2693
    @darrenfloen2693 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you back!

  • @FCleff
    @FCleff Жыл бұрын

    EVERY casting project I ever painted has quickly chipped at the painted/functional surface junctions. Now I know why. Thank you very much!! Also, thank you for reminding this mere mortal that there is absolutely no magic or speedy way to do high quality finish work.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you could make use of some of the information in the video. Thanks for your kind comment.

  • @valkman761
    @valkman761 Жыл бұрын

    Exactly what I need, thank you very much! Need to watch this later after work.

  • @daveys
    @daveys Жыл бұрын

    Nice finish. Well done!

  • @mikemichelizzi2023
    @mikemichelizzi2023 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing your process - it's clearly been well thought out and thoroughly tested. The results are outstanding!

  • @edsmachine93
    @edsmachine9310 ай бұрын

    Beautiful job. Looks better than new. Thanks for sharing the process.

  • @joshwalker5605
    @joshwalker5605 Жыл бұрын

    some great tips here - i would not have thought of chamfering the edges of the painted areas, but it makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the wisdom!

  • @westonotsew
    @westonotsew Жыл бұрын

    Incredible work and really appreciate the level of detail you go to, not only in the work you do but also in taking the time to explain all the details. I learnt a lot. Thanks.

  • @melgross
    @melgross Жыл бұрын

    Nicely done.

  • @martinnovak3949
    @martinnovak3949 Жыл бұрын

    Great video Alex! We need more content from you!

  • @ashisshpathrabee1149
    @ashisshpathrabee1149 Жыл бұрын

    Nice workmanship

  • @evesdad8419
    @evesdad8419 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you back Alex! 😊

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 Жыл бұрын

    Your work is excellent as always. I learn something each time you put out a video which is really appreciated.

  • @MadsBennetsen
    @MadsBennetsen Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely beautiful job. Looks better than new👍🏻

  • @sblack48
    @sblack483 ай бұрын

    Do you do your way scraping before paint or paint and then scrape the ways? It is a bit insane to paint a tool to that standard but it’s your tool, your time, your money so you get to do it your way. And they look awesome and I’m sure the haters are secretly jealous. Thanks for providing paint data in the video description! Love your work Alex, wish you did more but it’s obvious that months of work go into each one.

  • @tonyc7352
    @tonyc73526 ай бұрын

    Very good job, I bet that looks actually better than when it was first painted. I'm surprised you didn't use the scotch-brite pads earlier, especially for those darn concave areas, They come in so many gits.

  • @wktodd
    @wktodd Жыл бұрын

    I put a lot of work into the first couple of machines I acquired... then realized the error of my ways after the first few chips and dings. But hey , it's your time, and you have done a fabulous job ;-)

  • @akfarmboy49
    @akfarmboy49 Жыл бұрын

    Yes inspiring. Good information thank you

  • @c4t4l4n4
    @c4t4l4n4 Жыл бұрын

    Gut gemacht, saubere Arbeit!

  • @walteraddie7925
    @walteraddie7925 Жыл бұрын

    I restore a lot of antiques and our methodologies are very similar. Nice work.

  • @mrbean6694
    @mrbean6694 Жыл бұрын

    This has made be want to restore my mill again. Repainted the top housing when I rebuilt the head. Had such a problem with it I never did the rest of the machine. You filler idea is much better than the putty type I was using. Will have to wait until I can setup a proper spray gun to do it properly

  • @LeicaCat
    @LeicaCat Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful!

  • @stevecanny1583
    @stevecanny1583 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful job Alex! :)

  • @gatyair82
    @gatyair82 Жыл бұрын

    I'm never going to do this but thoroughly enjoyed this video. Great to see you back!

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks!

  • @mftmachining
    @mftmachining Жыл бұрын

    Klasse Arbeit, Alex.

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын

    Time and effort well-spent indeed. Perhaps as I go through each of my little machines I'll treat them similarly.

  • @donrofkar946
    @donrofkar946 Жыл бұрын

    Looks better than original! Good job!

  • @bradwalker1259
    @bradwalker1259 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful

  • @colderwar
    @colderwar Жыл бұрын

    Outstanding, this video appears one day after I finish repainting my lathe 😃 No, you aren't stupid. Having clean and nice looking machine tools motivates me not to take shortcuts in my work.

  • @rallymax2
    @rallymax29 ай бұрын

    Really great video. Thanks for the tutorial. Sub’d and inspired!

  • @karlmckinnell2635
    @karlmckinnell2635 Жыл бұрын

    Quality 👌🏼

  • @Bakafish
    @Bakafish Жыл бұрын

    I wasn't saying that, I was saying, "Damn, those are beautiful!"

  • @sundarAKintelart
    @sundarAKintelart Жыл бұрын

    Very nice

  • @DrFiero
    @DrFiero Жыл бұрын

    Oh yeah, another newbie tip - grey primer then top coating with grey can be confusing for gauging coverage. Try using black primer. It's easier to see when you have good coverage.

  • @jamesallen3799
    @jamesallen3799 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent

  • @maxpro9346
    @maxpro9346 Жыл бұрын

    Very beautiful result. You do not have to convince us why to reach this level of finishing. Who spend so much effort and pay attention in reconditionning and leave a machine in poor aspect ? Please stay healthy for future videos: some extra protection and vacuum sanding is welcome.

  • @quintinsmits
    @quintinsmits8 ай бұрын

    I wish I'd seen this before finishing my lathe project. Things turned out very nice, but it would have turned out even better if I'd used some of your techniques!

  • @time1800
    @time1800 Жыл бұрын

    Funny store I bought a old craftsman lathe used it for 15 years came across a big better lathe. So I decided to clean up the craftsman to sell it and sprayed it down with degreaser and pressure washed it and all the krylon rebuild that was on it came off leaving perfectly preserved factory paint. Sold it for $350 more than I payed for it.

  • @darrenfloen2693
    @darrenfloen2693 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video. You make a lot of great points about the details of the prep work. As a fellow V13 owner, I think you should do an indepth video on it. Your likes, and dislikes. There's not a lot of info out there on how great they really are!

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment, Stefan Gotteswinter also suggests me to make a V13 tour and review. It is definitely on the list!

  • @brettbernhardt7608
    @brettbernhardt7608 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video man Im definitely subscribing and I think a lot of other people are going to as well.

  • @johnhall8455
    @johnhall8455 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, BUT…the first thing I noticed was the absence of a face mask when paint stripping/chipping/sanding….even though you can’t see it when chipping, fine dust particles are still created, and old paints often were lead based….HIGHLY TOXIC…..STAY SAFE..👍 I always use an etch primer first…good adhesion to the metal, and to subsequent coats…

  • @kennyrmurray
    @kennyrmurray9 ай бұрын

    Holy shit those look so good! I love it and I love the machine grey. I built a sander/grinder and had the body shop match the handle to my Bridgeport. Well they were pretty far off. Next time I use it I’m gonna try to add a little white

  • @kennyrmurray

    @kennyrmurray

    9 ай бұрын

    But wow you did a fabulous job!!!

  • @kennyrmurray

    @kennyrmurray

    9 ай бұрын

    What is the paint code and/or what color is that? I was asking the paint shop for machine grey but they couldn’t find it. Thanks

  • @ikkiiiieee
    @ikkiiiieee3 күн бұрын

    You might want to know that brake cleaner is good for the initial clean, but not before paint. You should use a final wipe of something like acetone, alcohol 99%+, ... Because brakecleaner contains a minute amount of acid (I think is the cause if I remember) which could lead to imperfections like bubbles, adherence issues, ... I recently repainted my machine and did loads of research before hand. I also have experienced the issues I read about when I did another machine years ago. Though take this with a grain of salt; i am merely a perfectionist amateur with an internet connection

  • @davidsommerlad5118
    @davidsommerlad5118 Жыл бұрын

    Great job as usual!, hello from Australia 🇦🇺. Why don't you use a guide coat when sanding?

  • @DAKOTANSHELBY
    @DAKOTANSHELBY8 ай бұрын

    I've watched this video quite some time ago and just again today. I'm acquiring older machining equipment of various paint colors. My plan is to apply the same techniques as you displayed on all my machinery, but also choose an appropriate common finish color for all the machines, as I want a common color scheme in my home shop. Your technique to strip and repaint will be applied, but I'm still struggling to select a final color for all. I am leaning to an off white, but certainly want to avoid the traditional dark Grey. Any suggestions are welcomed. Thank you.

  • @TBJK07Jeep
    @TBJK07Jeep Жыл бұрын

    Very nice.I definitely would want more information if you wouldn’t mind, like where you got your scrapers & etc.

  • @EvanZalys
    @EvanZalys4 ай бұрын

    Wonderful video. If you were to repaint an entire large machine tool, would you still use a scraper or use another tool when working far from precision surfaces?

  • @rodneykiemele4721
    @rodneykiemele4721 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, but please show the next job on that beautiful Walter rotary table. Thanks

  • @DontCallMeGarage
    @DontCallMeGarage Жыл бұрын

    That's the theme from vice grip garage's channel....

  • @CraigsWorkshop
    @CraigsWorkshop Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic Alex, thank you. Can you share the finish paint colour please? is it RAL 7023 by any chance?

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @iamthebiker
    @iamthebiker Жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 Жыл бұрын

    I'm watching.... I have a 1955 Loch lathe to re-finish, started on it, looking for your "Tips & Tricks" ...

  • @wibblywobblyidiotvision
    @wibblywobblyidiotvision Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, as usual. Quick question - where do you get your scraper blades? I have a bunch of hand scraping to do and I'm getting a bit fed up with resharpening HSS, I think it's time I made up a new scraper with a carbide blade.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    This answer may not be helpful, but it is what it is: I got a handful of flat pieces of carbide years ago from a friend who worked at a carbide manufacturer. These blanks may outlast my lifetime. Only thing I had to do was to grind the cutting edge shape/radius. ATB, Alex

  • @wibblywobblyidiotvision

    @wibblywobblyidiotvision

    Жыл бұрын

    @@anengineersfindings Thanks, Alex. My original plan was to use a busted carbide slitting saw I have lying about, I think that's what I'll end up doing unless I find a real score on some "proper" scraper blades.

  • @car9167
    @car9167 Жыл бұрын

    stripping chemical gel makes miracles. I repainted from the bare metal a 1954 surface grinder. On the column I had to apply the gel 4 times to strip so many layers and filler. Way less work than your way.

  • @yak-machining
    @yak-machining Жыл бұрын

    Well you can always go further and polish it afterwards😅 Btw whats the RAL code of that color?

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @DrFiero
    @DrFiero Жыл бұрын

    If anyone else is doing this - and you find you're get brush strokes in the surface after it's cured, add about 10-15% {appropriate to your product} reducer/thinner. The 'slow' version preferably unless you're getting runs in the finish (then go up to medium or fast). This will allow the product to flow out more and become level. Working on a surface that's about 20* C helps flow out as well.

  • @tonybradley249

    @tonybradley249

    Жыл бұрын

    Can't get brush strokes if it sprayed on eh !

  • @SuperGleep
    @SuperGleep Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video Alex. What's the model number on the Walter rotary table? Size looks perfect.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi! My Walter is a RTL320 type. Size is good, but it's hefty.

  • @dopenope4122
    @dopenope4122 Жыл бұрын

    Great work! Would you mind sharing the exact names and brands of paints you used? I´m in the process of painting my lathe and had planned to use colours by MIPA. I would love to know what you used and if that may be an better alternative for me. Thanks

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @dopenope4122

    @dopenope4122

    Жыл бұрын

    @@anengineersfindings Dankeschön!

  • @emilgabor88
    @emilgabor88 Жыл бұрын

    Nice job. But to much work for me … lucky for me , my customers doesn’t come to my shop to see the chiped paint on all the stuff 😂😂

  • @dennisa6132
    @dennisa6132 Жыл бұрын

    For stripping using chemicals, lye is very cheap and does not hurt cast iron. I used an immersion heater, a container and I could strip entire parts, such as the ribbed underside of my milling table very quickly. Working with lye requires safety equipment, gloves and eye protection!! You know you are dealing with lye if your fingers get the lye solution on them and they feel slippery, that's the oil in your skin being saponified.

  • @dennisa6132

    @dennisa6132

    Жыл бұрын

    2k acryllic paint? That's new a one to me!

  • @sergei96759
    @sergei96759 Жыл бұрын

    Simply, weld small parts in a strong sodium hydroxide solution NaOH. All old paint, putty and oil will be gone. We all know what a pain it is and how long it takes.

  • @jamjamamam4139
    @jamjamamam41398 ай бұрын

    Aren't grinding in same room with lathe a big no no due to grinding dust?

  • @garysgarage101
    @garysgarage101 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing job. I restore old machinery part time and have never seen the brush on primer here in Canada. What is the specific industry that product is used in? Can’t seem to find it anywhere.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @johnson2207
    @johnson2207 Жыл бұрын

    Does electrolysis remove paint?

  • @Gottenhimfella
    @Gottenhimfella10 ай бұрын

    When you talkd of "silicone cleaner", I'm guessing you mean something like Mipa Silikonentferner (Silicone remover)? Is that because it has good cleaning properties, even when there is no silicone product to remove?

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    10 ай бұрын

    Good point! The term "silicone cleaner" (as used by painters) refers to a very clean and mild type of solvent that is used to degrease the surfaces to be painted. There are several types on the market, from ethanol-water mix to the more common pure hydrocarbon types. Actually I cannot tell you why this particular term is commonly used, the process has not much to do with silicone.

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson423210 ай бұрын

    Alex, where can I get a carbide hand scraper from? They are like unicorn horns here in the UK, I have been looking on and off for the better part of 2 years and a ground down file really does not cut that well. Thanks.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    10 ай бұрын

    Hello Mr. Doodson, I just checked if I had a spare blade to give to you. Unfortunately I have only one spare left of the handful that a friend gave me about ten years ago. So I'm having a hard time parting with this last one, I hope you can understand. However, I do know that the German brand Rennsteig sells carbide scraper blades, maybe you can find a source for that in the UK. ATB, Alex

  • @billdoodson4232

    @billdoodson4232

    10 ай бұрын

    @@anengineersfindings Alex, many thanks for your recommendation of Rennsteig scrapers. I have managed to order two and some spare tips from Amazon of all places. Hopefully should be here over the next couple of weeks.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    10 ай бұрын

    @@billdoodson4232 Glad if that hint worked out for you. 😃 AtB, Alex

  • @jonlorton9604
    @jonlorton9604 Жыл бұрын

    Does the finish grey colour paint you use have an RAL number ? If yes please share the RAL number.

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @JesseSchoch
    @JesseSchoch Жыл бұрын

    nice comments section!

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 Жыл бұрын

    BTW, can you give me the name of the primer/filler product and the paint type? probably available in 🇩🇪 ?? Nice, nice work!

  • @anengineersfindings

    @anengineersfindings

    Жыл бұрын

    Please see the updated video description, thanks.

  • @lohikarhu734

    @lohikarhu734

    Жыл бұрын

    @@anengineersfindings thanks viele!

  • @somebodyelse6673
    @somebodyelse6673 Жыл бұрын

    Ease of cleaning... Oh, how many times I've cursed bad welding that left two impossible to clean creases on the weld bead sides, rather than a properly washed in fillet.

  • @chuckinwyoming8526
    @chuckinwyoming8526 Жыл бұрын

    You need to be careful, older machines were painted with lead based paint (at least in the United States). Stripping or scraping old paint could lead to lead exposure and lead poising

  • @than_vg
    @than_vg Жыл бұрын

    why you chose grey? Because grey is 100 times more pleasing than RAL 6011....!

  • @jmbstudio6873
    @jmbstudio6873 Жыл бұрын

    Save yourself hours of sanding and prepping between layers by using a spray gun. Sanding your primer is insanely difficult and adds way too much time to the project. The brush applies way way way way, way, way, way too much paint. Spray guns use less paint and apply an even layer that does not need to be sanded at all if sprayed correctly. I would say to spray a polyester primer for super high build, but you need to seal that primer and that would add another layer. I would use an epoxy/acrylic hybrid and spray two coats after I used a filler to smooth out the substrate. I use Evercoat Z Grip with a touch of Evercoat Honey. Then spray your single stage paint or basecoat and clear. Tractor paint is the toughest single stage paint that I know of and that is what you should use.

  • @tonybradley249

    @tonybradley249

    Жыл бұрын

    Cast Iron surfaces , not spray friendly for a smooth surface, hence filler !!

  • @Gottenhimfella

    @Gottenhimfella

    10 ай бұрын

    @@tonybradley249 Exactly right. If you spray, the imperfect shape of the casting is replicated and the hollows will still be hollow after sanding. Moreover, sanding the high-build primer recommended by Alex (using the 3M mesh media he suggests) is not remotely difficult, let alone insanely difficult as the OP suggests. People making firm recommendations need to make sure they are familiar with the particular context for which they are making them, and on KZread that often does not happen.

  • @jimforsyth2.
    @jimforsyth2. Жыл бұрын

    I not saying that . I saying way don't you make more videos

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