When they said "even older than the KJV" I thought it had to be satire

@PaintedHoundie

2 ай бұрын

people unironically have some pretty silly beliefs about KJV version. it is like thee official bible for a lot of people. i would not be surprised if you asked those people and they were under the impression the KJV is like the 1st if not 2nd bible ever

@rocketdogticker

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@user-md9yv7jx2c

2 ай бұрын

Like when the Pilgrims discovered America at Plymouth Rock?

@thomasdalton1508

2 ай бұрын

They said "older than the famous KJV". Do they think the KJV is famous because it is old? This seems to be a poor understanding of history and a poor understanding of how fame works...

@obediahpolkinghorniii564

2 ай бұрын

The Tanakh: “WTJHVH?”

I don’t see why they feel the need to make stuff up. The fact that Ethiopia has a christian tradition largely independent of Rome and the rest of Europe is fascinating enough!

@Emeraldcity747

2 ай бұрын

❤

@Emeraldcity747

2 ай бұрын

Right bro

@Emeraldcity747

2 ай бұрын

I'm Ethiopian too.

@elicohen2865

Ай бұрын

Exactly.... All these Ex Scholars getting paid by the Evil Vatican😂

@abadirzulu5249

5 күн бұрын

This guy said 88 books, but it's really 81 books. Long live Abasinia

Dan be flexing his artifact

@KaiHenningsen

2 ай бұрын

How about a Luther Bible?

@MarcosElMalo2

2 ай бұрын

@@KaiHenningsenHow about a Lex Luthor shirt?

@jordancasti11o

2 ай бұрын

Everyone gangsta until someone pulls out a biblical manuscript

So much content these days is on the level of the kind of reports we had to do in elementary school. Thanks, Dan, for exposing people to serious scholarship.

This scene perfectly illustrates the important difference between real scholarship and the chintzy and often fraudulent efforts of amateur attention-seeking would-be "influencers"-- who, personally, I really could do without. Thank you, Dan.

@rsplines12

2 ай бұрын

I find so much in common between these apologists and "Ancient Astronaut Theorists" like Graham Hancock. Its never what is likely or probable with them, its what's possible, even if the probability is microscopic if it confirms what they want to believe.

@bretfisher7286

2 ай бұрын

@@rsplines12 Exactly. Well said.

Fun fact Judaism was in Ethiopia before Christianity

@DneilB007

2 ай бұрын

There are very few places outside of the Americas where that statement is not demonstrably true. No matter how you define the terms, Christianity is the middle child of the Abrahamic faiths. Of course the Jewish faith would have been there earlier. Typical big brother blowing smoke at the middle child.

@andrewsuryali8540

2 ай бұрын

​@@DneilB007The Ethiopian case is much more interesting if you know your history, because the Judaism that first came into Ethiopia was actually FIRST Temple Judaism. After the historical fall of Jerusalem, there was actually a period when the Babylonians put Judaea under the control of the remnants of the Kingdom of Judah's army under the control of a non-Davidic general. Doesn't matter. Dude tried to rebel anyway, so the Babylonians sent an army to crush him and he hightailed it into Egypt. This may also be when the historical prophet Jeremiah ran away to Egypt, although he may have left earlier. Anyway, the Pharaoh accepted the entire remnant army and their families and other camp followers and told them to go to the other end of Egypt, guarding a cataract of the Upper Nile on an island now called Elephantine. This was where they set up a new Jewish Temple and continued practicing their form of First Temple Judaism for many centuries. Elephantine is located where the ancient Egyptian kingdom bordered "Ethiopia", or their contemporary form of Aksum. The first Jews who moved into Aksum proper came from this Jewish colony on the Nile and brought with them their older form of Judaism long before Ezra's reforms could reach them.

@andrewsuryali8540

2 ай бұрын

@@DneilB007 Ethiopian Judaism started BEFORE Ezra and Nehemiah went back to Jerusalem. It literally started as First Temple Judaism. The first Ethiopian Jews were enterprising members of the Elephantine colony who simply crossed the border into Aksum and built a new life there. That's how old Ethiopian Jewish presence is. The community actually lost contact with their brethren after the Elephantine Temple was burned down in 410 BCE and only reestablished contact after Hadrian's expulsion of Jews in the 2nd century CE. While we don't really know what kind of Judaism they were practicing back then, it's perfectly valid to imagine that at least some Ethiopian Jews were still practicing First Temple Judaism when Christianity came to Aksum.

Oh boy. I should've seen it coming , but I got whiplash and vertigo at the same time when he said "back to Ham" 🥴 lol

@bristolrovers27

2 ай бұрын

I wonder which of Hams two wives they descended from Eggs or her co-wife Sandwich

@Wertbag99

2 ай бұрын

All the way back to Ken Ham. Not a claim to fame 😜

As an Ethiopian I appreciate your works dan!

@MohsenGanj

2 ай бұрын

Is there an English translation of the Ethiopian Canon on the internet?

@Bleeding_moderate.

2 ай бұрын

Yeah there might be... but there's definitely an English translation of the book of Enoch

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

Nothing to see as impressive except the strict conformity to academic methods but the thing is 'Faith' cannot be studied and understood in the complete sense by western standardized methods, especially Christianity.🔔

The idea that the Ethiopian bible is somehow banned is a weird one. It's simply a different version with its own canon containing books that aren't part of some or all other canons.

@curious968

Ай бұрын

Right. I've read scholarship on it off and on since. . .forever. It's a useful cross-check on the traditional Western canon. His comment on the end about it being mostly "sectarian" as far as why we don't see it more is dead on.

I'd like to read that expansive canon, but spreading misinformation about that sect doesn't help anybody.

@dicksonavon456

2 ай бұрын

What is the misinformation??

@BradyPostma

2 ай бұрын

@@dicksonavon456 - I'm talking about the claims from the video that Dan is refuting. The sect isn't 3,500 years old, they didn't have their canon prior to the fourth century, etc, etc.

Lol funny he wants to remove all credit from ethiopia and downplay it all 😂😂😂😂 the truth hurts

@Heygetcurious

11 күн бұрын

Always has hurt.

Ooh, gee, KZread thinks I want the original video's channel in my suggestions sidebar. No, I'm good.

I picked one up "The Ethopian Bible" for a research project I'm working on.

The more I see the videos you're reacting to, the more worried I become about the incredibly deep levels of confabulation, obfuscation, and outright lying that pass for "religious education" among some groups, and how much of that... "stuff"... makes its way to a wider audience without correction. Thank you for representing the truth!

Thx for the work

Correction : Yes, the lineage of the Ethiopians can be traced back to Cush who was one of the sons of Ham. The other Cushites in the history of mankind are the Somalis, the Nubians and the Proto-Egyptians. 🔔

Yeah, weird that biblical scholars would care about what books are "included" in the bible. Why would they care? Oh, when he says "scholars" he is talking about apologists. My mistake.

I know I say 'thanks' in my posts a lot, Dan. But it's hard not to be grateful when I learn from you on a daily basis. Today I learned of the Garima Gospels! ...Very grateful.

Thank you.

"They can trace their lineage all the way back to Ham." Only two kinds of people would say something like that: 1. Those who don't know how racist it is and can't be bothered to learn. Or... 2. Those who do know how racist it is and are super cool with it anyway. Before you get angry and call me "woke", first, that's not an insult to me and second, look up Curse of Ham. It's a doozy.

@KaiHenningsen

2 ай бұрын

You're completely right, and the right's railing against "woke" - as in their railings against whatever else was the scare-term of the day - is as stupid and empty as always. Personally, I liked "SJW" - please explain what exactly you (generic you) think is wrong with social justice!

@flowingafterglow629

2 ай бұрын

Oh for sure, my initial response when hearing "they can trace their lineage back to Ham" was, oh, they're black, so that means they must be descended from Ham? What slime.

@andrewsuryali8540

2 ай бұрын

The Ethiopian Tewahedo Church does in fact trace back their ancestry to Ham. However, they don't have the same understanding of the "Curse of Ham" that prevails in the Anglosphere for the simple reason that this fairly modern understanding evolved long, long, long after they came up with their own belief about their biblical ancestry.

@TheFranchiseCA

2 ай бұрын

​@@andrewsuryali8540 "The Curse of Ham" notion is old enough that I'm not comfortable saying it's recent; it's at least four hundred years old.

@andrewsuryali8540

2 ай бұрын

@@TheFranchiseCA Yes. And the Tewahedo Church was started in the 5th century CE. By comparison, the "Curse of Ham" is basically an idea some preacher came up with two minutes ago.

Just so you know we believe Enoch was ethiopian also.

It is an interesting thing that many people who consider themselves to be well educated about the biblical scriptures do not know the difference between true biblical scholars, who concern themselves with evidence based textual criticism, and faith/dogma based "scholars" who are more concerned with apologetics than evidentiary accuracy.

Could you please explain about Original Sin and Ancestral Sin and how they end up as a doctrine and what Biblical base these doctrine have or extrabiblical tradition is about it?

‘more of a sectarian concern.’ or as Father Jack would say, ‘That would be an ecumenical matter.’

Just purchased an Ethiopian Bible, Septuagint LXX is on my watchlist

Father Jack Hackett: "That would be an ecumenical matter."

Hello Dan I love watching your videos, I'll say that first. I wish more people did what you do in the religion. I am a new Christian and have been struggling with understanding of the Bible text and meaning.. along with the hate and judgment that can come from religion. Do you have any books you've written you can reference or others that can explain much of what you talk about?

Solid flex Dan. Not hating just would like to know how to get one myself, pls n ty

I'm Ethiopian, and although it's common for Westerners and Western Christian religions like Catholic and protestant to not believe in many things, the Ethiopian Orthodox church claims to have or to be. I'll try to be open-minded and tell you what i, as an Ethiopian, know about the video you're commenting about. Whether you believe it or not, that is your choice. First, about what he said about Ethiopians claiming to be descendants of Ham. Well, we don't know for sure, but the church does believe no only current Ethiopians, but most dark skinned people of africa came from Ham. But i don't know why you said that Noah and his sons are not historically accurate people. Because if you are a Christian and don't believe in Adam. Eve and their descendants, then how are you a Christian? And if you're not a follower of Abrahamic religions and just commenting on a video about a religion, then don't. Now i know western Christian religions are now reforming the religion and even saying that everything that happened before Abraham like the flood, enoch, noah, adam and eve, sodom and gomorrah are are just metaphorical in order to hide the terrifying and punishing side of God. But that is stupid because he is as punishing as he is forgiving. He is beyond the idea of good and bad. Anyway, about what the video said about Ethiopians knowing Christianity before Christianity. Ethiopian did accept Judaism around 1000 BC because of Menelik, the first who was the son of Sheba and Solomon. He also brought the Arc of the covenant to Ethiopia (actually, Jewish prists who were with him did, they just didn't tell him until they travelled far). Now i know yono Westerner believes in either the Solomon/Sheba story or the arc of the covenant being in Ethiopia, but i just wanted to tell you what we Ethiopians believe happened. I'm trying to prove this with science dumb because we can't even prove the existence of either solomon or sheba. But i heard the Codex Gigas (the devils bible) said that the arc is in Ethiopia. I'm not sure. But anyway, Ethiopians did worship the Christian or the Abrahamic God, which is the jewish God also for about 3000 years. Also, early Ethiopians did know about Jesus before accepting Christianity as a religion. There was a black Ethiopian prist who went to jerusalem around the time the apostles were being hunted and learned about jesus from a person who was a follower of jesus. Not an apostle but just an ordinary jewish man who listened to Jesus's teaching. Then the black prist told the Ethiopian queen about jesus when he came back and she accepted it. But not Christianity as a religion, just the fact that the prophesied messiah came and died for us. Some monasteries also have books like the Book of enoch (the one that talks about giants) and other books like a book that tells a deeper story about adam and Eve and their children. Not just Abel and Cain but also their daughters who married abel and cain... the church does have a bigger version of the stories in the Old Testament. The church also claims to have the holy grail and portion of cross that jesus was crucified on. But this have a lot more deep story behind them. I will tell you if you're interested. But i doubt any Western Christian will accept it or even imagine the possibility.

"Hey, this one sect doesn't want to include the texts in their canon that this other sect has!" - "I wonder why that might be ..."

Thank you sir. I watched that nonsense with my lady and was like “that’s false”

What I love is everyone believes their ideas are "concrete" when in reality, we actually have NO idea about specifics. Mistranslations, misinterpretations, and thousands of years of storytelling leave room for plenty of error. Especially with the bible being translated into the New Testament. I mean it seems for the most part, every church in the US thinks Jesus was a white guy and he was born on Christmas.

Hey Dan, can you do a video about how the biblical prophets Haggai and Zechariah probably believed that Zerubbabel was going to be the Davidic messiah?

Is that Richard Carrier talking on that video? Lol

As a scholar, you should know that the concept of Christianity was introduced to the Ethiopians formally through the Baptism of the Eunich by St.Phillip. Besides the Ethiopians were the forerunners to consider Jesus Christ as the True Messiah while their Israelite counterparts chose to reject Him which provided an easy access for the religion to take hold in the nation.🔔

How does one get a manuscript of the Bible? I would love to have one.

@ClipsofEthiopia

Ай бұрын

He bought it from thieves or he stole it

Huh? The Ethiopian Bible, canon of a huge church, is discarded and not taken as "canon of the holy books" ?

Why would you use the C.E in your dating of the time frame compared to A.D? I was under the assumption that BCE/CE were created due to folks that were offended by the date system, as it assumed that Jesus was their Lord. BCE/CE was made as religious neutral term?

04:26 The photo of the Ethiopian mountain monastery is actually a Greek monastery, Varlaam Monastery (photo taken from the Great Meteoron Monastery).

The creator appears to be attempting to suggest an older African origin for Judeo-Christian thought by conflating Yahweh with East African Sky Gods like Nhialic.

Are the Ethiopian codices in any relation to Mayan codices

0:49 is Dan's flex of the month

I’m confused why radiocarbon dating? Were these made of papyrus? How did they not degrade?

@fistybaby9489

Ай бұрын

He didn’t say they used radiocarbon dating. There are many different methods of dating like Argo argon dating or potassium dating.

The Ethiopian Church is fascinating and beautiful enough on its own, it doesn’t need people making stuff up about to eroticize it further.

@Emeraldcity747

2 ай бұрын

I agree this guy just hating 😂

@abadirzulu5249

5 күн бұрын

Heathens are going crazy. Long live Abasinia ethopia

As a Theologian and Bible Scholar myself, I am delighted to have found this progressive channel with a modern interpretation on what scholars actually agree upon.

OUCH!!!

I was in Ethiopia when Haile Selassie was Emporer. I spent most of my time deep in the interior and I wondered about the little temples I'd see on peaks. Most of the villages were also. I was living in 11 AD. 😂

I can vaguely understand why some people are so desperate to believe strories they find online or in books but it is the lying and invention that always seems to be added which baffles me. It's almost as if these people are not happy with the religion they profess but wish it to be more.

Correction : The KebreNegest doesnot share traditions that developed in the medieval period but reflects the true stories of the biblical time accounts of Queen Sheba snd the dynasty that followed. It is advisable not to base judgements on incomplete analysis.🔔

Canon disputes even older than StarTrek??🤯 And how could they how worship the Christian God for over 3000 years when the religion is only 2000 years old?🤔

@miguelthealpaca8971

2 ай бұрын

Well, Christians say that Jews worship the Christian God. Go and ask a Christian if Muslims do, I reckon you're likely to get a "no".

The language of “Geez”? Case closed.

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

Case open after Google.🔔

@Emeraldcity747

22 күн бұрын

@@THESURAFELB exactly 💯

@abelsilas6474

8 күн бұрын

Geez please see it properly guys you will find some thing​@@Emeraldcity747

Don’t they believe in the book of Enoch there? That is something I heard.

And read acts 8 verse 26. You would find the ethiopian to be Baptised

All it comes down too is real research

Correction : No Levantines or sea people invaded Ethiopia but they surely did Egypt. Besides these current genetic databanks used/referenced by the hustlers such as 23andMe etc are heavily biased towards racist agendas.🔔

The septuegant Does that mean the seven eagants Or angels Akak fallen angels / luminaries / planets astrology

Why it was written in Geez

Or Maybe Homer was right about Aethiopia being colonized by Anatolians. According to the Iliad, it was one of the 12 kingdoms of Anatolia. I remember this because Medieval historians like Rydberg liked to embellish the idea that Memnon the Anatolian king of Aethopia was the Father of Tor who later be known as Thor of the Aesir.

@lysanamcmillan7972

2 ай бұрын

Rydberg was full of it, wasn't he?

@emim_thinks

2 ай бұрын

@lysanamcmillan7972 Most of them were. They wanted to impress upon themselves European superiority by connecting their heritages to these mythological figures.

@emim_thinks

2 ай бұрын

@lysanamcmillan7972 1non the Less Homer still Claimed Aethiopia was an Anatolian-ruled Kingdom and its King was named Memnon.

Going band for band with Bible manuscripts lol

Christian, where in Africa, before any European or whites.

Kinda weird. There are people who can trace their lineage back. Maybe not to ham, but definitely to the first couple of centuries. Nevertheless, I do understand your point

Thank you, Dan, for your service. Its incredibly important that less developed nations, who don't have the academic resources to counter BS flowing at the rate that western social media is producing it, are protected from this as much as possible. Our own society is proving fragile against this threat, and we have a much higher rate of highly educated people than these societies can afford.

if im not mistaken ethiopia does trace back to ham does it not so does egypt anyone correct me if im wrong

@oldschool5

28 күн бұрын

No Ethiopia does not trace back to Ham. You cant even find Ham in history. And modern day Ethiopia was called Abyssinia recently. Ancient Ethiopia is not modern day Ethiopia.

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

@@oldschool5 use this🚬🌱🌱🌱

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

Yes it does trace back to Ham who was the progenitor of all Black people. Ethiopians are the descendants of Cush like their bretherns of Somalia, Nubia and proto-Egypt.🔔

@skzxox6900

22 күн бұрын

@@THESURAFELB thanks just wanted to see what others knew lol

@oldschool5

22 күн бұрын

@@THESURAFELB can you find Ham in the history books

Correction : It was rather the error of exclusivity that was committed by the heretics in the old and wicked Rome.🔔

The difference is the Solomonic Dynasty, Kebra Nagast and Feta Nagast in which they can and have and has already been accepted of proof. He is also wring based on the ancient Geez language which does mean "Scrolls". This guy is Mister Know It All and Know much about nothing....just too be clear!

Ego!

Kink James was created by a 1600s king and his hand selected so called experts. Not that hard to find older versions of the king James but can you find older then eithiopian

Incorrect Noah is a real historical figure and the Three Sons who survived the Flood really existed 0:34

Christian Bible, Ethiopian Bible, Quran, all religious texts are man-made.

AD, not CE, if you cant even say that,why should you be trusted?

Never Colonized

Well the Ethiopian Bible was one of the oldest Bible and the Bible do talk about Ethiopians ham Canaan

so that's what a trump card looks like...

The koine Greek papyrus is the oldest original Christian New testament. There are hundreds of variant versions of the Christian bibles none used match the koine Greek new testament or Hebrew sources. Armenians I recall are the oldest existing church. Curious why Christian bibles theology paints all people of their theology as "white Europeans"??? Racist theology.

A Bible before 400 AD could have a lot of extra stuff included or excluded. It morphed into an official canon around 395 CE to 405 CE with a couple of synods, Augustine of Hippo and Pope Innocent I.

Nothing worse than a channel that does nothing but watch other peoples videos just to refutes them.

@oldschool5

27 күн бұрын

This channel has been great for keeping folks honest

@jamescummings6703

27 күн бұрын

@@oldschool5 The real question is who is really telling the truth? I've heard him make false claims while saying someone else was making false claims and i've only seen 2 of his videos.

@oldschool5

27 күн бұрын

@@jamescummings6703 For real.. Man i wouldn't doubt it. Only in two videos. Which video was it that you found his error in. Let me know

Sea peoples! Crete! Fascinating stuff.

You people always want to TAKE credit for something that doesn't belong to you.

Even if they were colonized wouldn't they still be able to trace their lineage back to Ham if it was true,

@samboy90

2 ай бұрын

They were colonised. Don’t believe the hype.

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

@@samboy90 please🤐once in a while or chill🚬🌱🌱🌱

@THESURAFELB

22 күн бұрын

Ethiopians descend from Ham but from the Cushitic lineage like their bretherns of Somalia, Nubia and proto-Egypt.🔔

It's 81 books, not 88. Get it, Ethiopia got it right, and u don't. Shalom

You got wrong you can ask me

Well, Ethiopia got occupied by Italy 1936-1941, so I guess a five year fascist infestation doesn't count?

@joshuafrimpong244

Ай бұрын

It was more a conquest than colonisation, and even then they didn't control the whole country. In fact, if you stretch the definition of c, Cyrenaica in Libya was not taken by the Italians until 1932olonisation, a few years before Ethiopia

@roberthunter6927

Ай бұрын

@@joshuafrimpong244 Sure, but even short-lived conquests can have very serious effects.

@user-vv8vz2un8j

Ай бұрын

Ethiopia was in war those 5 years. Occupation is not colonization. The first Ethiopian- Italian war took only 6 hours and the second one took 5 years that's all.

@roberthunter6927

Ай бұрын

@@user-vv8vz2un8j A war is a war. You can die from a bullet in the first second or the last. You can die [be murdered] under an occupation or colonization.

@joshuafrimpong244

Ай бұрын

@@roberthunter6927 that we can agree on

You’re absolutely correct and Jesus is also white. “Insert sarcasm here”

What is all this CE nonsense? So tired of woke. AD was and still is just fine.

You are quite misleading

There were no spanish colonies in África. Ever.

@kyleepratt

2 ай бұрын

Oh wow, yeah that map the original poster showed at 0:24 is crazy. Makes no sense with actual colonization history

@RonaldParkinson-fm7km

2 ай бұрын

That's not true, they held parts of North and West Africa. But yes, that map isn't accurate.

@B3ggarman

2 ай бұрын

Well, there were/are Spanish colonies in North Africa (Melilla, Ceuta, Oran, Spanish Morocco) but you are correct that there were no Spanish colonies in Southern Africa, as the deranged map in the OG video shows.

@davidross2004

2 ай бұрын

Not true: Spain had colonies in what is today the Western Sahara, small parts of Morocco, and in Equitorial Guinea. The latter country even speaks Spanish. However, I do agree that the map provided in that video was incredibly inaccurate. France and the UK were the big colonial players in Africa, not Spain.

@RonaldParkinson-fm7km

2 ай бұрын

@@ritawing1064 Yes, they have a few exclaves, but significantly less than they used to.

U LIE TO MUCH READ THE BIBLE IT TELLS YOU ABOUT IT . THE ETHIOPIAN

The Syrian Christians could have fled persecution by the Constantinian Imperial Catholic Church and settled in Aksum now modern day Ethiopia. And what channel broadcasts the program that made all these outrageous claims? Was it the History Channel, where history is history? 😉😏😁

The misinformation in the video just jumps out at you. There's certainly no reason for further scrutiny or google search.

But still. Noah was a real person who existed in History. Prove to me he was not

@whatshatnin4572

Ай бұрын

Noah never existed

@brycesakal3717

Ай бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 keep telling yourself that lol.

@whatshatnin4572

Ай бұрын

@@brycesakal3717 Eventually one should one day be able to recognize mythology when one sees it. Hopefully you will see that day

@brycesakal3717

Ай бұрын

@@whatshatnin4572 I love Mythology. I’ve read many books in that domain as well. Journey to the west about Sun wu Kong. Iliad and the Odessey. The problem with the Bible is that people just don’t want it to be a fact of history. I love the idea of Seadragons air and Firedragons Jaden empires and the Greek pantheon, Egyptian and even Aztec Pantheons. To compare them to the Bible as on par mythologies is an actual academic joke.

@whatshatnin4572

Ай бұрын

@@brycesakal3717 No its not a joke. Its accurate to say a book with a talking donkey is mythology. A lady being created from a rib of a man and then having a verbal conversation with a talking snake is the epitome of mythology. There are older flood myths that predate Noahs myth. Why would the younger version be considered historic. If Noah is history then give us a timeline of Noahs existence. History has a time and a place. Give me the timeline of Noah