He's just standing in the middle of the woods at this point, he's not even going anywhere!!!

@helloworld9018

2 жыл бұрын

He's in the process of resisting the temptation.

@CRebel2024

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for a fascinating observation. 🙄

@MatrixSanAndreasOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

He's becoming galaxy brain in the next video.

@thetechfromheaven

2 жыл бұрын

He's full on Botnet. I bet he has Tik Tok installed on his iPhone.

@whirled_peas

2 жыл бұрын

Walking is bloat

Tech boomer in the middle of the woods absolutely refuses to sin. Impossible in this day and age, says expert

@cjwhite2631

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for calling sin, sin. The demons use jargon and intellectualism to divert us from the word SIN

@dittery

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjwhite2631 sin

@flflflflflfl

2 жыл бұрын

@@dittery refuses to sin, while also refusing to tan. Next level!

I keep waiting for Luke and Father Spyridon to accidentally bump into each other in the woods.

@seronymus

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely based and breadpilled reference ☦️ good job SUSE enjoyer

@JohnSmith-ry7wh

Жыл бұрын

God bless you brother. Two brothers that I pray will have uncorruptible Crowns

A good strategy to implement is that when you feel yourself beginning to do part of a bad habit, do something you can easily do and think is productive. If for example, you feel yourself tempted, instead of following along with the temptation, do five pushups. You will be happy with yourself for what you managed to do and are replacing the habit which might be easier than uprooting it entirely.

@nicolasa.bermellferrer8025

2 жыл бұрын

I'll try that ty

@hineko_

2 жыл бұрын

I usually did that to punish myself but your approach seems more fun(a picture of a gentleman with a big nose rubbing hands). I'll try that.

@Khalikhalzit

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea. Another one is to procrastinate productively. If you feel yourself not doing what you're being paid or what you ought to do, at least don't waste time playing video games for four hours. Do the dishes, read a book, exercise, vacuum.

@miguelpoeis1925

2 жыл бұрын

that's called "musterbating".

@offensivearch

2 жыл бұрын

Most bad habits and compulsions happen because your dopamine is low. You reach for that pleasurable thing, but like gridlock traffic that short burst of movement (pleasure) just leads to more gridlock. The root cause must be fixed for you to be free. When you have high dopamine levels, the temptations tend to recede from awareness because you are satisfied and on a productive path in your life.

Wow, that has seriously motivated me to quit smoking now. Guess nothing is more motivating for me than being called weak-willed by a stranger on the internet and me actually agreeing with that statement.

@bsatyam

2 жыл бұрын

You should read "Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking"

@AlexGolovastenko

2 жыл бұрын

@@bsatyam Thanks for the suggestion I will definitely try it.

@maleldil9539

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you need to really look at yourself in and bitch-slap yourself into shape. But don't fall into a cycle of self-blame. My advice is to try to find a better habit to replace smoking with. You can do it bro, easy!

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

OR start rolling your own fags, smoking is far less of an addiction when it isn't filled to the brim with drugs

@ade5324

2 жыл бұрын

i dont get smoking addiction. why waste about 5eu to buy pack of cigs, when you can buy something like big, delicious pizza, kebab or cake for similar price price and be fed and happy.

Luke, as a psychology graduate and psychoanalysis enthusiast I can confidently say that you are basically preaching what psychoanalysis has been trying to deliver to people: take responsibility of your unconscious. The entire science around psychology, psychiatry and neuropsychology has just given us excuses and cultivated unhealthy habits. I like Freud's original terminology for the "id", a structure in the psyche that is most primal, operating on pleasure principle. It strives for gratification and doesn't care for a place, time, morals and so on. In fact, referred to it as "das es", or the "it". Which captures its alienating nature - human's tendency to attribute anything undesirable to something external. Secondary gain is also an interesting phenomenon. A patient takes comfort in his pathological state, as it gives him certain benefits. Other people might not treat his so harshly because of his misbehavior because he is known to have a problem. So instead of trying to improve himself, the patient remains comfortably in his ill state. Many psychoanalysts attribute this downfall to the western (more specifically American) culture. Ego psychology has been precisely formed as an amalgamation of psychoanalysis to better suit the desires of western culture, for bolstering its ego (roughly speaking). It is precisely in America that Ego psychology, humanistic psychology, positive psychology and other fields emerged that seem to have their hearts in the right place, but lead to harm people more, than to help them, exactly because "they deny their unconscious". They rather encourage rationalization (the ego defence mechanism), coming up with excused to forgive themselves. Lacainan psychoanalysis is the strongest field opposing all things related to the "science" that leads to subjects downfall as these "sciences" label human phenomena with terms that reduce them into useless, non-beneficial words that people started to use as excuses for their downfall as a habit. You don't even need to learn psychoanalytic theory to notice all that but somehow this valuable insight is lost for so many people. I really appreciate you doing this.

@JLeppert

2 жыл бұрын

"Orthodox Psychotherapy: The Science of the Fathers" by Metropolitan of Nafpaktos Hierotheos. The desert father's (also called the neptic fathers) of the True Historic Church were talking about this 1600 years ago. It's also a manual for CBT and DBT.

@NuradinPridon

2 жыл бұрын

@Kiryu Kazuma If you think bachelor's degree is an authority of any kind, I don't know what to say. I only mention it to show where I'm coming from - psychology is generally a field that I adore and it pains me to see that the most valuable achievements it has are not utilized well enough to improve people's lives. In any case, thanks for kind words, I appreciate it. I hope I didn't come off vulgar.

@monsieurbojangles2336

2 жыл бұрын

Good post. I think it’s hard for us to accept that although we are not engineers of what we are, we must assume full responsibility for what we are. Particularly if we are low status or perverted in various ways. In a lot of ways effective therapies are more like confession than modern feel good style therapies and as a result offer real hope.

@alternateperson6600

2 жыл бұрын

In today's Western culture people are coddled against shaming and other naturally emergent, normative reactions to maladaptive behaviour. People never grow out of their vices due to the West's visceral aversion to conflict, and they are lavishly praised for affirming fake identities.

@Tarik360

2 жыл бұрын

"Take responsibility of your unconscious." THIS! Words cannot describe how much this needs to be stressed. I had a bad habit up until September last year where I kept internally in my thoughts refer to myself as "you" rather than "I", completely letting go of responsibility over myself too much and it pisses me off that it took me reaching my 27'th year to figure it out.

I imagine myself being camper in that wood, and suddenly I hear someone voice, I look up and that's Luke Smith making his video. What a sight! I got fresh air, and I got psychoanalysis lecture!

@snippletrap

2 жыл бұрын

I think he owns that wood

I feel like I listen to this in the right time. Thanks Luke!

Resisting Temptation 2: Electric Boogaloo

@sergeikalashnikov556

2 жыл бұрын

Why yes, I use peertube and see his videos earlier, how could you tell?

@TheCatVtuber

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot resist not watching Luke Smith videos... send help.

This video really got out in the right time. Thank you Luke. I'm trying to overcome more than 13 years of porn, and your video helped a lot. God bless you and your family!

@redrustyhill2

2 жыл бұрын

Don't fight it, embrace it. It's not as bad as everyone claims.

@soldierbirb

2 жыл бұрын

@@redrustyhill2 no bro, it destroy your relationship, your mind, your physic (I don't know if I spelled right) it makes you more dumb, more likely to bow to other drugs (and I'm not talking only about the ones you smoke etc...). It's not good, sometimes you lose half of the day on this shit. Get away as soon as you realize

@redrustyhill2

2 жыл бұрын

@@soldierbirb you don't realize how pathetic you sound. "I'm trying to overcome 13 years......" IF ITS THAT BAD JUST STOP. PERIOD! NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT. WTF your probably also one who claims we have "free will" yet you keep compulsively beating off while claiming "I'm trying to stop". what lunacy. what self deprecating stupidity NO! It does not destroy relationships. That's an outright lie. judgemental bigoted self righteous sanctimonious hypocritical PEOPLE who don't understand BIOLOGY use it as an excuse to destroy a relationship.

@deadliestvice5356

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, dude, just become a hedonistic shell of yourself. No one's going to judge you anymore. Hit me up for more tips.

@TheHeraldu

2 жыл бұрын

@@redrustyhill2 Nice try rabbi

“I’m not even going to look at women…” best advice I’ve ever heard

I have admitted both to myself and others that I have very poor self control. Everything you're saying is right, we are very good at tricking ourselves into things that we really want. Hope I can keep this video in mind in the future.

Luke claiming addict cope process is new lol. People have been making excuses for themselves since the dawn of time.

@MpSniperM1911

2 жыл бұрын

the only new thing is the vocabulary and dehumanization, but the excuse is there since the dawn of time, since the first humans actually

Thank you Luke, the original video was quite helpful as I gradually kicked my grave habits this last autumn and winter. It's pretty common sense, but sometimes people just need to hear that to break the cope

"Triggered" is an euphemism to "I don't want to take responsibility on how I react to the things that happens in the world"

It is widely accepted that behavioral addictions (like gambling, alcoholism, pornography etc) exist, not just by modern psychologists seeking to find excuses for vice, but also therapists and activists helping people escape these sorts of addictions. Materially the chemical brain processes of someone addicted to cocaine are the same compared to someone addicted to say, gambling. It's not so much chemical dependence, but rather the effect on rational decision making that defines an addiction. While I agree that people do bear the responsibility for their actions even if addicted, and that it often becomes a cope and an excuse, it's not helpful to merely call out these people as weak willed. It is helpful to recognize the mechanisms of addiction, of dopamine, of DeltaFosB etc and learn ways to manipulate these mechanisms to gain control over their behavior.

@sergioBlancoGonzales

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely with you, but that last part of manipulate people's brain chemistry it's just for people with extremely deteriorated mental health by these addictions.

@leteethgirl8778

2 жыл бұрын

It's useful for other people to try that for you, if you use this introspectively you have already given up.

@alternateperson6600

2 жыл бұрын

Some addictions are physiological, but most (certainly not pr0n or junk food) aren't.

@internetguy8075

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to write this in the comments, but I'm glad someone else already had the same issue with that part of the video as well. Correctly identifying something as a behavioural addiction is not the same as making excuses for the behaviour. No matter how strong an addiction is, the addict still bears full responsibility for his own actions and is responsible for addressing the addiction. I used to have a drinking problem, now over 4 years sober. Yes, the physical addiction made it harder to quit, but no, it was not the thing stopping me from quitting. The thing stopping me from quitting was the psychology behind why I drank. It's the same deal with heroin, cocaine and behavioural addictions like porn and gambling addictions. I fully agree with the overarching point Luke makes though, taking responsibility is the only way out.

@dasenase

2 жыл бұрын

Luke's views on behavioral addictions are extremely one dimensional. His line of thinking is a trad-chad larp.

Yes Luke, you are right. People really wanna enjoy doing bad things but they don't wanna take responsibility for their actions. Sad but true. Even they know that these things can easily be overcome.

To assume I wouldn't fap in front of people is a bold assumption indeed

Thank you Luke I needed this.

Thank you so much for this video 🥺

People who put too much emphasis on personal responsibility (like unaboomer here, who lately has been leaning a bit too much into the anti-social sciences, anti-sjw, rabbit hole) are just being played to direct their anger towards mentally ill people. This creates a scapegoat effect which is good to build a sense of community. Truth seems to be that some people have mental illnesses that activate under particular circumstances and are extremely hard to escape. Maybe these simplistic methods of "call to personal responsibility" might have worked for some viewers, but that doesn't mean that their situation is the same as that of everyone (the scapegoats). I say follow the science and go talk to a therapist if you're experiencing mental problems, don't fall for the anti-science paranoia. My non-expert advice would be that of Luke but without the scapegoat thing. Develop positive thought patterns (yes, what you THINK matters a lot) and healthy habits incrementally. Little by little, every day. Clean your mind, clean your habits, be grateful for your progress and record the newly developed habits. When you're done with one habit, work towards another; even going out every morning to talk with a neighbor on a topic that interests you and gives you happy feelings is a good start. Nothing interests you? Pick a topic! Chess is nice, bash is good, bible studies even, anything goes as long as you interact with good people. There, I did it, I managed to give general life advice on the internet without being an asshole. Guess I won't generate as much upvotes, though, as my "don't beat yourself up" basic-granny-advice is much less exiting than "western civilization is failing, but you can be part of my special chad creed by denigrating the right group". The fucked up thing is that humanity sucks ass and we kind of fall for these things genetically speaking. Anger relieves stress (kind of) and feeling part of a group also does (no matter its values). Still you can choose your own interests, just please choose a group which doesn't make anger and resentment the center of its life philosophy. I recommend that you watch this boomer for the rants on tech and the bash advice without taking him too seriously (I'm sure he himself doesn't lmao) also python is actually good and you don't have to do everything in bash all the time (yes, I said it). Haskell is way better than both though you submissive procedural programming sheeple smh.

@oodoodo344

2 жыл бұрын

Without considering the toxic Christian brainwashing where Christ is the cure for everything, from cancer to depression. They're so blind that they find fault in others taking the obvious, bad, over exaggerated examples without considering how many damages christianity has made trying to heal serious mental illness. Why do they do that? To the benefit of their collective ego? For the sake of being always right even when they aren't? They're like smokers who says that smoking doesn't make any damage if you do this or that thing. It's pathetic and alarming at the same time. Again don't trust KZread videos if you struggle with a serious problem, go to a therapist / doctor and follow him. And instead of spending a lot of time on this platform without getting anything out of it, read some books, do something useful. I think that people watching pornography will lose even less time jerking off than watching all this (christian, but even atheist, "scientist", left wing, right wing, etcetera) youtubers. I came here after months because I was bored and I find this smart comment. And this is important: we're talking about serious topics for which the solution is not "get a cold shower" or "order your room". If we talk about software then he can says whatever he wants (fedora is the best distro, gnome 40 the best DE, Python scripts sometimes are gold), even though this guy clearly doesn't know anything about software development, algorithms and data structures, computational complexity, functional programming etcetera. Albero, dal tuo nome deduco tu sia italiano, hai lasciato davvero un bel commento, complimenti.

@michael-er9is

2 жыл бұрын

I hope the /s was referring to your entire post and not just the last sentence.

@greatmouse9420

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent satire

@albero4393

2 жыл бұрын

@@michael-er9is no

@albero4393

2 жыл бұрын

@@greatmouse9420 Everything I said is totally honest and factual (based on modern science)

People with serious behavioral problems use the "I'm not addicted because its not a physical addiction" excuse all the time. In order to downplay the seriousness of their problem. Sometimes its useful to frame harmful repetitive behavior as an addiction. After all, addiction is just a definition we assign to specific symptoms.

@leteethgirl8778

2 жыл бұрын

Not introspectively

@NukeCloudstalker

2 жыл бұрын

Calling it pathological, sure. Addiction it is not.

@komali2

Жыл бұрын

@@NukeCloudstalker are you a doctor? What research do you have to counter the opinion of the American psychological association that people can be addicted to porn?

@NukeCloudstalker

Жыл бұрын

​@@komali2 "ArE yOu A -insert title that I place undue value in-?" Get real. I don't even mind your taking issue with what I said - porn is a good example of an activity that most certainly is addiction. Seriously though - get that credentialism out of your head ASAP for your own wellbeing. A simple "what makes you say that?" would be much more conducive to proper conversation and arguments on the topic (and most all other topics, frankly). If you need papers created by people beholden to institutions, by people bestowed certain titles which you honor far too highly above their worth, in order to believe in something, you're unable to reach proper conclusions not only where it matters - but you're also unable to reach the right conclusions where they outright lie. And they do. A lot.

@joemahma3017

Жыл бұрын

@@komali2what authority does psychology have to define us and our behavior? Look up the replication crisis. Psychology is bunkum.

thank you for this I really needed to hear it

Thing is, sometimes people are just a chemical reaction. You get stuck in some condition of a mind, like a parallel state of consciousness with it's own skewed set of emotions and logic, that is dictated by your body and not by you. No matter what you do, no matter what sort of great images you think up in your mind, you can still feel uninspired and awful, hopeless about everything around you. Meanwhile someone else, while doing exactly the same thing, would be enjoying the best times of their lives. When you're outside of that state and feel like you are the master of your own mind, it gets real easy to judge people who don't get such good arrangement of controls over themselves. But yes, I understand where you're coming from. Feeling of self-control is insanely important for your mental health. That we can agree on.

@overclucker

2 жыл бұрын

For about three days I was wallowing in a cloud of negative emotions that I had no way of pulling myself out of. I was even thinking of suicide. Then I started to feel dizzy and had a cough. It was a cold. I realized that my body was lying to me about reality. I've learned to be more introspective about emotions from that. The trick is to catch it early and do something about it. I usually don't want to leave or go for a walk, so I make a sandwich, that's how I switch gears. There's a pretty successful cognitive behavioral therapy program called dialectic behavioral therapy (DBT) that deals with this kind of thing.

@11010010110

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent post.

@stevenlaczko8688

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This video is so judgy. He has a point but isn't seeing it from the other side.

@overclucker

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenlaczko8688 It is judgy and lacking insight but it isn't unfair, nor is it untrue. We should all be trying to gain more control of ourselves, unless you think we are only a chemical reaction, nothing more. What sucks is that people are too trapped to see this.

@roundedosu

Жыл бұрын

try meditation

Great video, Kenny!

Luke, Even though you are 100% correct, people will believe that they want. If saying their actions are out of their control makes them feel better about the things they do, they are going to continue to believe that. And if can be big things or small things. My Father for example will curse in front of my kids. Without me saying anything he will curse and then say, "I'm sorry I curse in front of your kids. It's just how I talk." Clearly he knows what he is doing is wrong, but refuses to change. He's an adult and should be able to control the words that come out of his mouth. He's not a puppet with someone's hand controlling what he says.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

This is the most defeatist post I have ever seen on a Luke vid, congratulations! I'd give you a medal but as you pointed out already that would be pointless wouldn't it?

Even if you believe in determinism you still can't know your 'fate'. It might be that free will is an illusion but it certainly feels real, so you should always make 'choices' in your best interest.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

It's not an illusion, but your belief that your head isn't deeply lodged in your own ass is

@orthocoinbitzantium1002

2 жыл бұрын

Ive heard the phrase “freewill is a potential not an actual” -theoria apophsis

@SoaringSuccubus

2 жыл бұрын

Kant has the same concept as "living under the idea of reedom". Regardless whether there actually exists freedom of will, every single time we consider what to say or what to do, we necessarily presuppose a freedom of choice. It is impossible otherwise. Every single time someone says "I act as if I have no free will", they are lying. A freedom of will is always assumed in everything we do.

That is nicely said! Thanks for the video!

It's like this with hazardous situations and injustice as well. Deep down you know something is wrong, but you ignore it and bullshit your way out of listening to your intuition. If you're an attentive person and listen to your instincts, you already know what to do before you have a logical reason to even suspect something is off, even though you can't quite put your finger on it at the time. Another good example of this is how the slippery slope argument is now being called a de facto logical fallacy. It's another attempt to undermine your early detection systems and make you into a robot who always goes along with everything until it's too late.

while I like these videos, this is not "modern" behaviour. It's really well depicted in many classic works, like Svevo's "Zeno's conscience", a lot of Kafka's books, and to an extent even Dostojevsky talks about it. Pretty sure it's also discussed by some latin authors (most likely by Sallustio or Seneca, since they did like this kind of topic). Still fun to hear your takes tho

what always helped me was imagining someone walking in on me doing whatever im “addicted” to and just imagining how awkward and degrading that would be. especially if it was someone i respect/admire

@KingKong-mp6gj

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good one! Always act in a way where you can look at yourself without shame.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

That's just exhibitionism and you know it

A wise teaching venerable Luke, Sadhu 🙏

Took me about a year to stop touching myself. This is the key. Protect your mind, guard it against lust, and you get to the root of the problem.

I kind of hate the science of psychology I took AP psychology in school but I hated it and I did pass it . And it was because like you said it gives us self-serving excuses for our actions and dehumanizes humans by making them seem like they can't control themselves. I get how it can be useful in many things but still I don't like it and regret studying it.

@redrustyhill2

2 жыл бұрын

Is it Excuses or is it reasons which your cognitive dissonance won't allow you to accept?

Tell me about it! I've spent most of my adult life in and out of institutions and the degree to which we are encouraged to pathologize and dehumanize ourselves in those settings is quite striking. Personal responsibility is somehow antiquated. Twelve step groups in particular are the worst about this.

@Nelson-sr2bi

2 жыл бұрын

Good point about these N step groups. Imagine if on the first meeting, the clients all sat down, expecting to be treated tenderly like babies, and the leader, without any introduction, just shamed the shit out of them and told them to just stop, that it was unacceptable. How effective that'd be. It's historically proven because in tight communities social rules were strictly enforced, now that everybody's atomized, and independent of each other, it feels awkward and out of your personal jurisdiction to correct someone's behavior, even for their own good. You don't depend on them, so what right have you to hold them to any standard. Atomization is a major goal of the System. Therefore if it became more of a goal-accomplishing group than a mere gathering, social rules could easily be enforced with both carrot and stick, and not a single one of these 12 steps would have to cross one's mind. There wouldn't be any spare/alone time to jack off or eat too much or smoke secretly, you'd be busy ploughing the field and sitting down for 5 minutes would be heaven. They're so arbitrary anyways. It could just as easily be 9, 11, 13, or 14 steps, but 12 is a round number so some steps are invented for marketing purposes.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

Antiquated? Prior to the late aughts it was still extremely common. Stop using antiquated wrong makes you look silly

@lovely-shrubbery8578

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorkreig6089 nah you look silly

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

@@lovely-shrubbery8578 using words improperly makes you look ignorant, but if you want to be thought of as stupid go right ahead

@apostleofazathoth7696

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorkreig6089 The key word is somehow.

As a sinner, and a fentanyl and coke addict. I do have an addiction, which is also a sin(sorcery and pharmekia) What he’s referring to is the “jargon” demons use

@josephmueller3752

2 жыл бұрын

Dopamine = sin; the pseudopsychologists and neuroscientists are simply horrified at the thought of associating something to religion

Luke Smith dropping truth bombs out in those woods.

That first video helped me quit porn over a year ago, thanks alot man. I'm working on alcohol now. Not an alcoholic but definitely drinking too much

Hilarious that an ad came on mid video advising exactly what Luke is advising against, "you must do these 5 things to stop fapping and start having the best sex of your life with a real loving partner". No, there is one thing that must be done, submit to the Lord. And then the video comes back on and Luke starts talking about the sermon on the mount: the irony.

Thank you Luke.

Another very good video. Excellent!

Excellent observations!

It is always cringe to not take responsibility for your actions, but it's still possible to be fully willing to accept responsibility for your actions and yet just run into a pattern of succumbing to temptation for no rational reason. Not saying it is excusable but it can still be difficult to understand why you choose to do something that you know is bad in exchange for short term gratification. I keep in mind the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness... SELF CONTROL. Although the biochemical reaction, soyence cope is a modern phenomenon, there has always been a war between the carnal man and the spiritual man (the Spirit-filled man). It strikes me that the fundamental gateway to exercising real self control is to cultivate the fruit of the Spirit, which involves prayer, meditation, study of the Word, church attendance, the Lord's Supper, etc. The practices of avoidance you describe (not looking at bikini pictures) can be seen as a component of meditation. What you choose to put before your eyes is what you choose to meditate upon.

Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you for making this video. I keep seeing it in my feed and I keep putting off watching it because I knew you would call out people like me. The one who knows how bad porn is, but justifies it sometimes. I finally forced myself to watch it, knowing how good your content is. I really enjoyed it and got a lot out of it. Will probably send the video to some friends also.

good point about materialism and layers of abstraction. this is one of the problems I have with deleuze, so eager to bridge mind and body and that old platonic discontinuity, however sometimes we simply haven't done that, we need to operate with a discontinuity that approaches continuity through its progress. you can't invert that

@floorfungus4209

2 жыл бұрын

can you translate what you said to english

@leteethgirl8778

2 жыл бұрын

@@floorfungus4209 uhhh I could but it would take a lot more words and I'm just too lazy frankly

I don't even try to stop my (bad) habits most of the time. When I want to stop some habit, I just stop it. And sometimes I realize afterwards, I don't really want to stop my habit. I just feel worse than before without doing anything productive instead. I just have less fun, and replaced one bad habit by some worse one. I think what's most important to stop bad habits is something to do instead. For example doing sports every day. Or working on some projects.

@JohnSmith-ry7wh

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing you never been a heroin addict

@lindboknifeandtool

Жыл бұрын

That’s how I quit drinking and even xanax.

When it comes to chemical addictions if you stop there are often temporary but very difficult to overcome side effects. It’s not a small thing at all. However, I agree with you when it comes to non-chemical addictions.

The thing with all this "neural science" and "brain chemistry" is that it seems to change everything about free will, while in reality it changes absolutely nothing. That we can explain the "chemical processes" under the hut does not change what happens on the drivers seat. If you turn the wheel right, car turns right, regardless whether you understand the mechanics or not. Saying someone has an "addiction" is functionally equivalent to saying "someone with shitty habbits is more likely to keep having shitty habbits". The ability to give exact mechanical description of thoughts as chemical processes does not alter the fact that they remain thoughts regardless. An understanding of the car motor does not change how the wheel works. A chemical understanding of thoughts has just as little effect on free will as understanding them as habbits. A brain scan depicting an addicted brain is functionally equivalent to a video depicting addictive behavior, as far as free will is concerned. I believe the only reason why most people treat the two differently is the novelty of the former - people haven't really had time to fully digest the scientific discoveries and are thus confused. Immanuel Kant knew it centuries ago.

OMG I was waiting for a resisting temptation 2.0 for a while!!!

thanks for the incredible content (As always) :)

This video is pure gold. I'm so fed up with the soyence clowns telling people they're basically robots with no personal responsibility except for fitting into the system. Basically every mainstream soyence clown talks about living creatures being "machines". It's all by design of course. They want you to be that "I trust the soyence. Please enlighten me Daddy Dawkins..." type of NPC. Wake the fuck up. You're (almost) always in control and responsible for your actions. Stop playing the victim. Do some actual inner work.

Bold man in woods talks about touching oneself

Do you think there is a middle way of looking at this? Me and my friends often speak of our brains in terms of dopamine and such, mostly to realize why certain things make us feel different things. We also acknowledge that the cards to make our lives better are at the end in our hands. There are different layers of reality. Imo the psychologists who also talk in terms of neuroscience also take into account the key to mastering the self, which is taking responsibility of your own actions (such as Jordan Peterson). Was the point of this video that we shouldn't forget the key to success, that we shouldn't forget the power of our own actions and decisions? Sometimes I think you're a bit too keen when making arguments, and I feel a bit of nuance is lost. But that's really why I love these videos: I don't agree on everything, but you always make me think from a new perspective. This is what free speech can accomplish, keep it up Luke!

This is true. people tend to blame their stupid actions or decisions to some stupid reasons instead of owning up to their actions and working on improving themselves

People have been talking about sins like this for at least the last 1000 years. "Oh no, I was overcome with temptation, I couldn't help myself"

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

Sin is a pathetic word to slather over basic human emotion and desires Stop being so one dimensional

advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't

Being a physics student I try to use determinism as a positive thing. The universe comes to you and through you and you have no idea what your real limits are or what is in store. But it means getting into a flow and forgetting determinism doesn't exist and you have agency so you can effectively participate in the dance of life

@dugglebay3483

2 жыл бұрын

Who said that free will cannot exist in a deterministic universe? It sounds paradoxical, but if you think about it, it isn’t really. You are still free to choose whatever you want, it’s just the case that you will choose the same thing every time. And how could you possibly know, until you actually make the decision?

@NukeCloudstalker

2 жыл бұрын

Determinism implies fate and destiny. If that is such, then why not pursue the most glorious one? It was meant to be anyway. I'm not a firm believer of determinism. It's an exercise in futility to dwell on, not that I haven't. But really, it's more productive to believe, truly, in the most meaningful interpretation of the facts, and any room for doubt should be filled with meaning and purpose. The facts of the matter is we don't know whether determinism, free will (whatever that nebulous term means), and so on, is reality or not. Granted our ignorance, assume the best and work from that. If you turn out wrong, you're no worse from it. If you turn out right, you've won your world.

@dallasupton

2 жыл бұрын

I think you can live a glorious life in the context of determinism. I mean if it wasn't it would mean physics is inconsistent and impossible to fully understand. The universe is chaotic but deterministic. We just have to forget about that to function though and pretend like everyone does. You can't separate action and reaction like how this video triggered me to write this and this post triggered yall to make these comments

@NukeCloudstalker

2 жыл бұрын

@@dallasupton I think the delusion is the other way around - there are higher principles at play. Action and reaction does not imply that there is not a one to many or many to one relationship between the two at times - and that being the case, we truly have no way of knowing which is which, nor what the process of selection of reactions to actions (so on and so forth) is really like. To think we know that action->reaction is the ultimate truth is just as foolhardy as people think the ancient Greeks were when they thought things fell because they yearned to be with the ground which was where their primary element (earth) had their origins. Frankly, we don't even know if the laws of physics change under certain circumstances (within or without the world as we know it). Hell, we don't even know much about metaphysics safe for what resonates enough with our most inner being for us to take for granted - some call one thing irrational, others call the same thing perfectly reasonable. In truth, it's a matter of finding coherent axioms. The choice of which is... well, how do you choose axioms? Anyone with experience with formal math, will know that that is more or less a question of philosophy and metaphysics in particular. In short, what I want to say is that anyone subscribing to determinism, are nihilistic losers that need to get their heads out of their ass and decide to live in a better world - rather than pretend they are simply a continuous unpredictable chain-reaction. Stop mind-cucking yourself with that nihilistic g*y shit.

I've always found it odd that drug rehab centers allow patients to smoke. You're just swapping bad habits, rather than getting rid of a bad habit.

@JohnSmith-ry7wh

Жыл бұрын

They're trying to break you of the habit that is putting you in jail, making you do insane things and is probably nearly killing you daily. They're not trying to make you into a perfect person, just attempting to get you out of the dance of death. And make money. Lots of money.

Good Topic, Luke. I would lay out the reasons why a person needs to control behavior as well (eg., stable future, productive children, etc.). People aren't going to hear these things elsewhere.

"Desire must have unbounded space for its excursions, if it transgresses nature's mean. For this has its bounds, but waywardness and the acts that spring from wilful lust are without boundaries ... It is for this reason that men sink themselves in pleasures, and they cannot do without them when once they have become accustomed to them, and for this reason they are most wretched, because they have reached such a pass that what was once superfluous to them has become indispensable." - Seneca, Epistulae morales ad Lucilium, Letter 39.

Luke you are my favorite spirit animal.

Man, that green screen looks amazing. Good sound editing too.

@StevenOBrien

2 жыл бұрын

You can tell though that they made him bald because hair is too difficult to render realistically. Kind of a cop-out imo.

Addiction doesn't neccesarily mean physical addiction. You for sure can be addicted to a certain behavuour, like thoughts or gaming as well. If addict stops gaming, he won't be foraming out of his mouth. But labeling stuff as an addiction does have tendency to refuse responsibility

I always love your perspectives. One thing I found out personally is if you truly want to be self serving then you’ll avoid temptation to do bad things bc you love yourself 😊

need more videos like this

My mom has Parkinson's Disease. It is hard to say that biochemistry isn't a real thing when you see biochemistry and neurodegeneration profoundly affect the personalities of people you know. It is also hard not to see the obvious side effects straight L-Dopa has on a person. I think there is a pragmatic middle ground here. Clearly we have a will, but that will like every other resource in this material universe is finite. We are not God. Skillfull means are essential, we must learn to manage our willpower and environment with the knowledge that they are finite and imperfect. There is no doubt living the right lifestyle can increase your basal dopamine levels, and thus increase your ability to control yourself and your environment. Contrary to popular hedonic beliefs, the primary neurobehavioral job of dopamine is to enable motivation, (self/environmental) control, and planning for the future. It is my contention that spending your initial willpower on getting healthy and fit is the best first step anyone can take, because it gives that person more willpower and agency further down the line - initiating a positive cycle in their life. None of this lets you off the hook. You are always responsible, because even at your most unconcious you have some small ability to exert control. Even if some aspects of your life aren't in your control, you are still responsible for them because they were bestowed on you.

@josephmueller3752

2 жыл бұрын

This is BS u heard on Anna Lembke and Hubermann podcasts, both half-scammers

@offensivearch

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephmueller3752 My mom has had parkinsons for 20 years. You can see the impact taking sinemet has with your eyes. People who think the brain and neurochemistry have no effect on behavior are fucking idiots. Just because some neurologically healthy people use it as a way to excuse ignore the responsability they have in their decision making doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Luke himself acknowledges this when he talks about strategies to avoid temptation like switching to another activity when feeling tempted. Piss off.

Free will paradox. It's highly plausible that we do not have free will, but thinking about it decreases the quality of life. So, we have to behave like we have free will even if we don't really have it.

@redrustyhill2

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you love how religionists claim "free will" yet also claim "the devil made me do it" when they break the rules? If we have free will, it's very limited to the most insignificant of choices. Everything good that's happened in my life was happenstance, it's not something i decided or chose of my own free Will. Same goes for the "bad". Shit happens

I used to be like this with eating lol, how wrong I was.

My dude, you say that Pornography addiction doesn't have that sort of effect, but before the Rosary and the Pslams helped me break it, as I was finally properly quitting, I unironically got sweats. It was weird and it was a very heavy addiction. It can have a physiological effect.

@braysgmail8200

2 жыл бұрын

Watch John Doyle’s video essay on pornography addiction. He pulled over 100 studies, is very well read, and compounds the information into about an hour and a half.

@zaarongaming8174

2 жыл бұрын

​@@braysgmail8200 Ditto, Doyle's anti-pornography dissertation is sublime. Luke's video here is very good, but his point that porn isn't on the same level as a chemical addiction is quite misinformed; it literally hijacks the strongest hardware in your brain, making it extremely hard to quit. But he's certainly right when he says you always possess the power to overcome the compulsion; you always have the power to stop yourself.

I actually prefer the term spontaneous self coombustion

@MpSniperM1911

2 жыл бұрын

lol

it’s just a decision, you are not your thoughts or feelings, you are you actions. only actions count.

I believe that Aristotle worked out the concept of pathos as "owning" your own emotions and taking responsibility to how you act in your everyday life. Even back then people were finding excuses in things that they describe as being above them, while actually being they themselves (for the greeks its emotions, today its emotions but chemicals!) Recently I also read some of Heideggers writings on this idea and I like his idea how now owning up to yourself is a downwards spiral, and there is no way out of this unless you yourself decide to own up, to look at your life as a whole, to take responsibility. And they both are right, I had an *bannedword* addict friend and regardless the amount of support you gave them he would return to his habits.

@lindboknifeandtool

Жыл бұрын

First thing I remember knowin, it’s a lonesome whistle blowin, and a youngins dream of growin up to riiide

@bahshas

4 ай бұрын

bannedword addict? what does that mean, he just could not stop saying the nword?

the world needs to see this video

Solid points. Makes me wonder how reliable the 'willpower is a finite quantity' line really is. Whether it is or isn't, the Christian idea of fasting to discipline desires is a really useful one. Don't idolize your belly (or any organ that desires)!

"I have a dopamine addiction" "I am retarded"

Spot on!!

So here's a practical example. Let's say you are not a good fit for a job, and never have been. Your manager doesn't want to hear you make excuses for why you can't do the job ("I'm anxious/afraid to ask for help/have ADD/etc"), nor are they able to care more about you than you. It's possible that you need external structure - or even to change job types - but in any event, you always have the responsibility to acquire the tools you need and orient your life in a more effective direction. I mean, you could just throw your hands up and stop trying to improve, but that ship will run aground before too long. One piece of advise: shame will probably not motivate you to do your work. It's probably part of what's making you avoid it in the first place.

This man speaks the truth.

Newsflash: a moral person isn’t tempted to do something that isn’t moral. How about not working the problem backwards and instead asking why you don’t feel your own moral disgust, so need to borrow somebody else’s code (which you can misinterpret, misapply, or otherwise be misled by, and will never expand)? Even the absence of free will is not parity for the meaninglessness of intent. Moral intent of sufficient authenticity does not act with indifference or negligence or in deliberate contravention. Borrowing someone else’s convictions keeps oneself unprincipled

"a soyentist" lmaoo

i wish i had a plugin or software that'd just black out all pictures of women. although that's quite not it, i do use custom css to remove "recomended" and thumbnails and whatnot on various websites including youtube.

Could you do one of these videos through a local campings sight/ beach? Completely ignoring the people as if they weren't there? Their facial expressions and being forced into a sudden reality check would be priceless.

@desktorp

2 жыл бұрын

halfway thru his rant, it abruptly cuts to him running from a pack of seething, pitchfork & torch-wielding coomers.

Stepehen Hawkings said, freedom of choice doesnt exist, but because the system is so complex and there are so maby variables, we have no choice but belive in freedom of choice, even though we know Its not such.

Youth Pastor Luke smith dropping truth bombs.

Please sir do a video on Emacs. You are so good in software I would love to see you talk about elisp and other emacs tools. Thank you sir.

Luke you're actually just describing me but I dont know if I should keep continue to pretend as dopamine addict or just sit up and do my chores.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

treat them as a challenge and then as a skill to hone, you'd be surprised how much easier chores are when you are trying to beat a record you have previously set

Cooming and leading a productive/fulfilling life aren't mutually exclusive. Probably people who struggle with a "pornography addiction" are really struggling with more than that and they're simply looking for something in their lives to blame for their unfulfilling life.

I'm tempted to think that humans are just the same they've always been, and so this is just one of those perennial woes. Sure, you can always do something about it, but not completely eliminate issues like these. You're making a lot of valid points though. Especially with psychology being what it is; it's one of those things that i believe is in sore need of a reality check and sanity check. One thing that comes to mind is CBT, which seems to be a nexus to a lot of this artificial helplessness, and IME as a patient, just seeks to repress and invalidate. Personally, I'd say I felt _worse_ after, not better.

The pornography thing about it not being addictive is plain wrong. It has all the same effects as any drug. I saw my first porno when I was 4 and took me SEVERAL years and many heart breaks to break the cycle. What you are saying is great, but its spoken by a man who seems to have never experienced any real physiological addictions. ------------ (edit) There is only one addictive substance that actually requires medical care. So your response to why porno isn't an addiction is plain wrong. By your definition only Alcohol is truly an addiction. You cannot die from any other addiction.

@ThePrimeagen

2 жыл бұрын

@@GospodinStanoje so hi. Thanks for the nice compliment. So my response was to this part 2:28 where he describes what addiction looks like. No one who uses heroine technically needs medical help to get them through. alcohol is the only one that requires medical care (crazy). So he is almost describing DT but applying it to a ton of things. I am there with you. I am no gnostic duelist who separates out the soul from the body. Vice is a vice and can perform powerful works on the persons mind and their body. Porn has several negative affects in the physical world including ED, memory loss, inability to respond properly to yes or no questions, and more (all cited from several university studies). It literally shuts off your frontal cortex. Background: Spent 4 years trying to get off the porn train. Finally broke it. I can definitely tell you its significantly harder for _me_ (cannot speak for others) than getting off Meth and Cigarettes (both of which i did as well). I simply found porn to be so dang hard. By far had the most lasting physical and mental issues for me. The whole they wont do it in front of people. Also not true. People who are addicted only do it in front of others once they reach a certain state. I have seen a man jacking it in public. Once the fallen nature is all that is left, anything and everything is possible.

@ThePrimeagen

2 жыл бұрын

I am umbrella calvin in my approach to life. I have a limited free will.

@ThePrimeagen

2 жыл бұрын

@@GospodinStanoje The limited free will is the idea of Umbrella calvinism. Its that God has his ultimate will, which will happen (i will die at 72) but then there is his sub-malleable will. I was designed for computers, but I could of very well become a mechanical engineer. What small / medium / large decisions were predestined vs which are our limited freedom in a world controlled. I don't subscribe to we are just biology and we dance to it.

Your vid from a year ago did help along with prayer; you were right about the 2 month thing. It was not easy cause I literally had demonic dreams followed by wet dreams; like some freaky vampire demon was throwing me in the air, whole body was petrified, freaky stuff.

@victorkreig6089

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I don't think that is in any way shape or form normal

@lecrovidae6987

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorkreig6089 Maybe not, but I've had similar experiences. Though on an unrelated note I hate how gay the word "experience" sounds now. "It's all about the /experience/ man." My gaming experience. My satisfactory experience. bleh

@sockpastarock7082

2 жыл бұрын

@@lecrovidae6987 imagine using "gay" to express discontent in 2022

@lecrovidae6987

2 жыл бұрын

@@sockpastarock7082 cry

@sockpastarock7082

2 жыл бұрын

@@lecrovidae6987 😂😂😂

Nice ideas here, I do disagree slightly with neuroscience and psychiatry not being a good tool. I just think this type of science is new and people like to warp it into a convenient excuse to let themselves/others down.

There's 2 motivation: Pleasure and pain. Be careful went pain become pleasure.

And if thine eye cause thee to stumble, cast it out: it is good for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell Mark 9:47 ☦

⬛ Divine link ⬛ Flesh automaton ✅ Power in misery

I agree completely; it's cowardly and weak. It's like religious people saying, "Jesus take the wheel!" and pretty much giving up doing anything. Well, no: according to scripture, God gave us freewill, and he pretty much lets us to solve our own problems. Likewise, instead of saying, "It's just my brain-chemistry, man!" get in there and change it, if necessary. You have agency; you have awareness. If your machine thinks it's just a machine and can't change anything, then your machine is fucking up. Grow up, fix it, git gud.

@seronymus

2 жыл бұрын

This is also a reason why it is important for a society to have monks and nuns!

@alexandersanchez9138

2 жыл бұрын

@@seronymus It's tempting to think that "monks and nuns" are magical and different than us. However, they did not get to where they are by magic--they got by consistently trying, even despite (inevitable) setbacks. Everybody has the capacity to, e.g., not coom--they just need to remove the obstacles stopping them from trying in the first place, be that fear of failure or denial. A lot of "addicts" don't want to try because they see it as insurmountable and they're afraid to relapse. Well, they probably will. However, the next time they try to stop after that, they will do better and go longer without relapsing. There is no magic bullet; things generally improve only gradually. The most important thing is to try--even if you fail, brush it off and keep trying.

@c3cxla

2 жыл бұрын

those people will admit they are cowardly and weak and use it as an excuse too, it's so annoying.

@ISCARI0T

2 жыл бұрын

christianity is getting misused and misinterpreted so often, its so annoying. imagine if people would just read the scripture the religion is based off. many stereotypical things people think about god and religion are just rationally and historically just wrong. but people dont care, they rather get their cringe news and memes from reddit and dont actually research stuff.

@hidesbehindpseudonym1920

2 жыл бұрын

Not always possible

I HAVE MUH ADHD AND ASPERGERS -redditor with an avatar of a small smiling robot with a hat

dude is the truth who happens to talk too!

It's funny how believing in determinism / rejecting free will leads to worse behavior and a worse society, regardless of whether determinism is true or not. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone must have written about this kind of idea?

@dani132455

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are referring to reflexivity

All the people I've known who have had addictions were not really in it to get pleasure per se, rather they were in complete emotional disarray and were trying to use whatever means necessary to escape either from childhood trauma or mental illness and just hold on to the will to live. Just from your general self confidence and demeanor I can tell you you most likely don't have borderline personality disorder, a traumatic childhood, or debilitating OCD etc. etc., or whatever, so you come across as arrogant here. I agree though on the obsession in contemporary psychology with the search to empirically demonstrate a purely mechanical, physiological origin of neurosis.

For the health of the comment readers I need to correct Luke. I count him as accurate about everything he says in this video beside the fact that porn and cooming is not an addiction. The brain fires basically all dopaminergic receptors when you coom in a lady or to a screen. The brain can be desensitized to porn, causing one to seek out more extreme material. You can train yourself to be desensitized to real sex bu doing this. Your brain and hormones go through a predictable cycle of recovery which lasts months when you do NoFap. You can absolutely be addicted to porn, go look up Gary Wilson’s work. Yes, you won’t foam at the mouth or die from lack of porn, but the trappings of addiction are still there. And to the point of not fapping in public as evidence that it’s not an addiction, I don’t understand why that even comes up. I know several heroin addicts that exclusively shoot up in their homes because the damage from doing it in public is obvious and palpable to them. And to drive a point home, moralizing your behavior is essential for curbing any addiction, porn included.

@mrpostman98765

2 жыл бұрын

Came down here to say exactly this, not recognizing the addictive qualities of porn can be a big hurdle for many people. If anyone Is looking for good resources to quit porn that aren't NoFap Cult related definitely check out the Easy Peasy Method hackbook of Allen Carr's Stop Smoking,

@tunina6421

2 жыл бұрын

You truly will feel physiological responses if you stop masturbating. I don't know if Luke is being dismissive or if he is just being ignorant, but by the way he talks about his past it sounds dismissive.

@stevenlaczko8688

2 жыл бұрын

Moralizing your behavior is essential to stopping a porn addiction? How do you come to that conclusion?