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did you remeasure ppm after some time of using pro ? any change ?

I love your work !!! Continue like that!!

Excellent info Alex. Thanks for sharing!

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m happy to hear that you like the video!

Thank you for testing! I would love to see a similar air quality test comparing AnyCubics Eco resin vs more common resins.

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Cool idea! I will definitely keep this in mind for a future video!

Thanks for taking the time to test this! My first reaction is that all of those measurements look like they might be around the noise floor of the meter. As a point of comparison, it'd be nice to put an upper bound on what "really bad" is, for both VOC and PM. Like, how bad is the VOC measurement INSIDE the closed printer? And what if you put a piece of tape over the filter in the pro, so that everything is sealed in until you finish the print? I bet externally, the situation would improve, at least during printing. I ask mainly because I DO have experience to say that, at least with the PM measurements, 10 vs 20 ug/m^3 is basically "baseline." Simply walking over to the meter and sloughing off a few skin cells could cause that change, so it's tough to ascribe the impact to the printer without a long duration trace that shows it was clearly higher while the printer was running, then drops again after the fan is turned off. Not to say your measurement is wrong - I'm sure the Pro DOES actually kick out a little PM above baseline, especially since your measurement seems repeatable. It's just that 10 vs 20 is nothing to worry about, whereas an enclosed FDM printer might achieve 50 or 100 printing PLA at 210C vs 1000 or 1500 printing Nylon at 270C (measurement I took the other day). And further, since each resin will likely be different, it'd be really great to have both a baseline "ambient" condition as well as a highline "literally huffing the resin at close range, this is as bad as it gets" condition.

By hollowing with infill and adding no drainage holes, you now have uncured resin trapped within your prints. You should not use infill on resin prints without adding holes for uncured resin to drain.

@1objection

2 жыл бұрын

I know this is 2 years old, but just wanted to add to this. Lychee's hollowing is the best because it adds thin internal supports that criss-cross and allow for easy draining.

@sethjones5250

7 ай бұрын

What about solid infill?

@UnvarnishedTarnished

7 ай бұрын

@@sethjones5250 If the entire thing is solid then no need for drain holes.

Great work! Your effort is much appreciated. I wonder about different types of resin. Some are being marketed as safe or eco friendly. If you are open to suggestions, maybe a resin comparison would be appreciated by others in the community as well.

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That is a good idea about comparing different resins - I will definitely keep it in mind! (At the moment my resin collection isn’t very big unfortunately, but it I’m sure it will grow over time! 😅)

problem with this air filtration system is it needs maintenance, and you will never know if it failed and not filtering anymore, unless you have an air quality device like that one and test often.

Lovely video, tho I am unsure about the particle emissions, as I cannot find you giving any updates on whether those changed or not during the first few prints of the mars pro. Could you give me any input on that?

Was very helpful!

@SuperMakeSomething

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very well done test!! And holy shit I was shocked by how much that filter helped!

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

DaekTwentri Thanks! The filter definitely seems useful for improving the safety when printing indoors!

@DaekTwentri

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething I learnt a lot from your videos and it scratched an itch I've been craving for so long. Hope you do more tests similar to this one in the future! Cheers!

Loving the scientific rigor behind all this data!

@SuperMakeSomething

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

7:59 Don't use the spatula to remove the stuck print from the fep film!!!! Push it out a bit and then peel it off!

@ratchet9264

3 жыл бұрын

Push what out?

@KayoMichiels

3 жыл бұрын

@@ratchet9264 failed print parts that are stuck to the see through film of he vat.

Thank you, great job, very interesting ! And what about noise ? please could you compare original and Pro ? Original one is very noisy... Thank you

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Uf Thank you! The noisy level for both printers is about the same, because both the regular and Pro versions use the same fan.

Thanks for the post. Should you have also included a link to the referenced air quality tester (for consistency and for those who are interested)? You provided enough to find it, providing a link would just fit your linking theme... If you did put it and I missed it, apologies in advance.

Seems like there should be some kind of tapered shield over the air exhaust vent to avoid any resin spilling over from the vat into the filter.

@SuperMakeSomething

3 жыл бұрын

That would be an awesome feature!

HI ,great review, is it possible that u look inside tha mars pro, to look if its the same motherboard as the mars, Thank you big time

@matttilson6027

4 жыл бұрын

Mo Ti it still uses a CBD board, similar to the current generation Mars. It is a newer version, though, and if I'm not mistaken will be without the Ethernet port.

Any update on the Air Quality?

Great information. As I decide which resin printer to get into safety is a huge concern. Can you please do this test for the epax x1?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I unfortunately do not own an EPAX X1 at the moment, but do plan on repeating this test for other printers I receive for review. I will be sure to post my results either here or on other social media platforms!

@magbhitu

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething Cool, I'm subscribed for that.

Would love to see a VoC comparison done between the Mars Pro and the Photon S

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

That’s a cool idea! I’d be very interested to see how each of the home-use resin printers compare. Unfortunately I don’t have access to a Photon S at the moment, but I will definitely keep it in mind if I ever get my hands on one!

With the TVOC and Formaldehyde value of the Standard Elegoo, how was considered the air quality from the sensor perspective? Fresh? Thank you for your work.

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

MrDevilFlash In both cases, the sensor showed that the air quality was “Fresh.”

@MrDevilFlash

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething That's already a good news for the products detected by the sensor. Resin printing still needs safety research and improvement for more "healthy" resin but knowing that with a good ventilation the air is still "fresh" is a good thing. Thank you for your fast answer!

I’d love to see a comparison done to FDM printers as well

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

I'll definitely keep this in mind for a future video! Thanks for the suggestion!

If those few holes above the filter is all there is then how does fresh are get in and the filtered air exit? Are half of those holes divided so air can enter?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Air exits on the bottom of the printer from the exhaust fan. The polycarbonate printer enclosure is not 100% air tight, so there is some air circulation that results from the cooling fan being on.

Been looking into a resin printer for gaming miniatures, this may well have just settled which machine I'm buying

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad that you found the video useful! 😊

@gusschaible7711

4 жыл бұрын

same

Hello, have you retested the carbon filter to see if there is less particles in the air with the mars pro?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Vincent I have not yet, but will most likely post an update on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, or another website. Once I have new results, I will put a link to the update in the video description.

So assuming Elegoo improved this or made it better I don't need special (enclosure) or extra ventilation for my Elegoo Saturn 2 except for a open window?

@SuperMakeSomething

2 жыл бұрын

The Saturn 2 is pretty cool, because they integrated a "hose connection" hole into the top cover so that you can vent it directly outside, in addition to an active air filter that plugs into the base of the machine. Just in case, I would always make sure so maximize the airflow as much as possible, but the Saturn 2 seems to be their safest machine to date. Check out my KZread Short about the Saturn 2 for a full overview of the features!

It's now the end of January and still no sign of the pro, do you have any updates from Elegoo as to when we will see them on the shelves. Thanks

@davedogge2280

4 жыл бұрын

Go to the elegoo official facebook page amazon in Italy and Spain had them thursday 30 jan 2020, links are on their face book page to amazon. still a few left in spain, dunno about the italian site.

What would happen if the printer was run after the job was complete? Would that reduce the VOCs after removing the cover?

@SuperMakeSomething

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I don’t think so, because of the airflow underneath the cover and because a large amount of uncured resin remains in the vat after printing.

So would you say the filter and mask is enough? Or do you think a grow tent and ventilation is needed?

@SuperMakeSomething

Жыл бұрын

I think that a filter and mask with an open window is probably the way to go. Overall, the PM measurements dropped with longer use, so the initial elevated reading did seem to come from the filter, but most of the particulate exposure was still from opening the lid to remove the model and transfer the resin, which unfortunately can’t be avoided. Newer machines like the Saturn have a vent line port in the cover, but at the end it’s still necessary to take the lid off, so I would recommend maximizing air flow as much as possible.

From where I'm located there's about $130 difference. Should I just buy the regular Mars or are the upgrades worth it?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Kai Minamoto Phew tough call. If you are certain that you will use the printer in an area with sufficient air flow, then I would say buy now. The printing quality is the same and the new price for the standard version is hard to beat!

What do you think about carima's claims they created virtually non toxic resin? and if true would this mean you could use one inside safely

@SuperMakeSomething

Жыл бұрын

I have not heard about this, but will definitely look into it! That would make resin 3D printing safely much easier!

Fantastic Alex. I've only had the standard Mars for 3 weeks. My wife would kill me if I bought the pro. The Saturn on the other hand 😂 Cheers, JAYTEE

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

JAYTEE Thank you Jaytee! Haha I completely understand! 😂 Elegoo keeps coming out with must have printers! 🤤

Do you think I still need to build a ventilation system to drag the fume out if I also measure the voc each time to ensure the carbon filter is still at its best shape. Because I am looking to put it in my tiny bedroom....

@klaml.5898

Жыл бұрын

By the way, I have mars3 pro

@SuperMakeSomething

Жыл бұрын

A ventilation system definitely always helps in my opinion. I typically print with a window open or in my garage.

what kind of file this printer use can i use solidworks and convert it?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

The Beboso's This printer uses STL files just like FDM printers. You can export STL files directly from CAD models in both Solidworks and Fusion 360.

@melvinbeboso1656

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething nice! Thanks

That does it. Once my Anycubic Mono 2 inevitably dies I'm getting a current Elegoo. They at least sound like a reputable company. Compared to AC at least.

@SuperMakeSomething

10 ай бұрын

I’ve had really good experiences with Elegoo’s printers. I highly recommend them!

@ralfsstuff

10 ай бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething Thank you for that extra bit of confidence.😅🙏

I use a 4 inch carbon canister eith a 4 inch duct fan to help but theres always a smell

@SuperMakeSomething

Жыл бұрын

Definitely the worst of the fume release is when I remove the lid to take out the model. A duct fan is a great idea during printing though for sure!

Unfortunately, they ditched the filters for the Elegoo Saturn. You need to buy them separately.

I have had my Mars for almost a month, and the most confusing thing to me is. What in the world is that black plastic thing seen @ 3:36

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

MrEdoublebubble This is an attachment for the z-axis after you remove the build plate. This mounts the build plate at an angle and allows unused resin to drip off of the model and tray back into the vat before curing. Hope this helps! 🙂

I am sold on the Mars pro!

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I think you will enjoy it! It is a great printer!

I have Elegoo Mars running in my office, small/medium room. I have 3 fans sucking air out of the office and outside. I have a HEPA filter running. Am I safe or am I stupid? I am sitting here now coding on my computer with everything running.

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Great question! Unfortunately, I’m not qualified to comment on any absolute health effects, because I am not aware of any tests that examine how safe long-term exposure to particle emissions is, but I would say in general that more air flow is better. It sounds like you are probably being more cautious than most, which is good. Ultimately the decision depends on the level of risk you are comfortable with - I also sometimes print while I am in the same room, but personally try to minimize doing this whenever possible.

@andrewnormore7093

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething Hey thanks for the reply. OK Another question: When I finish a print (or failure...) my actual printer is covered in goo, and I have to scrape the GLASS -- is that normal or does my tray have a leak?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely sounds like a leak to me. The FEP film should seal against the vat frame and not allow any resin to leak onto the glass.

@andrewnormore7093

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething Thanks for confirming, I'll order some more

So, next time do the Pro first? I hope they make a much bigger unit like the Peopoly Phenom sub $1,000

@whatimintonow8608

4 жыл бұрын

There coming out with one it's the Elegoo Saturn

@octapc

4 жыл бұрын

J Dubbs ok, tell me where I can see specs!!!!! I need to know!!!!

How long does the filter Last cause it looks a pain in the ass to change

@SuperMakeSomething

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great question. I honestly do not know as I have never changed the filter. I do believe Elegoo offers replacements though.

any updates?

@SuperMakeSomething

Жыл бұрын

Overall the PM measurements dropped with longer use, so the initial elevated reading did seem to come from the filter, but most of the particulate exposure was still from opening the lid to remove the model and transfer the resin at the beginning and end of a print, which unfortunately can’t be avoided. Newer machines like the Saturn have a vent line port in the cover, but at the end it’s still necessary to take the lid off, so I would recommend maximizing air flow as much as possible to be safe.

Is there a release date for Canada?

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Jijiji Jijiji Units should be on sale world wide around the end of January!

@JEE-uo3ox

4 жыл бұрын

Super Make Something Hopefully!!

do you sell your stickers? i would love to add some to my printers!

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

You bet! Send me an e-mail (address on the “About” tab) or shoot me a DM on Twitter!

Also, your testing this at a distance that practically most people will not be at while it’s printing. Please increase the distance in increments so we can see the decrease in VOCs.

@cutty02

4 жыл бұрын

That's true we need distance and room size. I appreciate his test though he didn't have to but he did and we learned something so thanks to @super Make Something.

How much is the pro

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Meme MAN The Pro will cost $299 USD.

Why do they not just make the hood close airtight?

@SuperMakeSomething

6 ай бұрын

Fumes during printing are relatively minimal compared to fumes released when the lid is taken off, so this would only help a little. It is safest to ensure that proper ventilation is used at all times.

@HR-yd5ib

6 ай бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething , thank you! So best strategy is to let the machine run until finished then open all windows, take a deep breath, remove the lid, leave the room and wait 10 min until the fumes are gone before reentering? 😁

You covered acceptable levels for particles, but not the other tested elements. According to a WHO study (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK138711/), "For the indoor environment (24 hours), a value of 0.125 mg/m3 was considered safe for the entire population against sensory irritation, including chronic sensory irritation" For TVOC, according to this report (www.tecamgroup.com/acceptable-voc-levels/) the safe levels are under 0.3 mg/m3, with 0.3-0.5 mg/m3 being "acceptable" So even the standard mars seems safe for indoor use within the same room, based on the readings you've gathered. Of course, you would still want to ventilate the room and wear a respirator to be safe. I've included sources so that others can confirm/refute, and if anyone knows more about the subject or has more in depth or reputable sources, please post them.

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the additional references! This is good info!

So basically you find a high level for one of the tests in the Pro and promptly find an excuse for it. Not cool.

@Excremento_

4 жыл бұрын

It still is a logical excuse, i had a water bottle with a carbon filter and it is instructed to wash it before to remove residues before use. Its the same principle here. Only time will tell if it settles down or not. I personally hope so, or id be really dissapointed.

@josephwoodworth1888

4 жыл бұрын

@@Excremento_ Have you seen more information on this?

Well it's January 2020 and still no PRO model......

@davedogge2280

4 жыл бұрын

It's out in Spain and Italy yesterday on their amazon sites go to the elegoo official facebook page and scroll down and it gives links to the amazon sites I got mine in Spain ordered for tomorrow (friday which is now !)

Why is this video in some guys Home Star Runner video upload playlist

@SuperMakeSomething

3 жыл бұрын

Haha no idea, but that's awesome! They were probably thinking with 3D printing "I can make it on my own!" :P

@CosyMatt

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething it’s from the channel Homestar Preservation Project in his created playlist for Strong Bad Emails 4k lmao look for yourself!

Why does the carbon filter look like a terrible 3D print?

Где можно купить такой? У вас сломан палец на левой руке? У меня был сломан тот же палец)

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

The printer will be released on Amazon on January 15th, 2020!

@user-oc7bi6em8x

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething я жду его на АлиЭкспресс. Спасибо!

@whatimintonow8608

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething good to know. They wont say more than sometime in mid January. Did you leak the release date? Lol

Friend, not only do you have to worry about toxic gases and microparticles, also UV light! and eye damage! you must cover the light from your eyes or other people

I follow none of these safety procedures. I just wanted to know if the new mars was better or not.

@Starganderfish

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you're at least wearing gloves? The UV resin is nasty stuff and you're looking at long term Immune system issues with skin exposure.

@MrYuck-ec5do

4 жыл бұрын

@@Starganderfish I've been hearing that shit for 30 years working with fiberglass car parts. I'm still waiting! Your house hold pet puts out more voc pollution then that printer ever will. You guys have over blown the hell out of the saftey and clean up process. Yes some people do have allergies and weak ass immune systems, but that doesn't apply to all of us.

@sarawofford

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrYuck-ec5do [citation needed] I have no idea where you are getting the idea that a dog emits more VOCs than a resin 3D printer.

@kghhgkgk6322

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarawofford all the fiber glass has obviously done a number on his brain....

@kghhgkgk6322

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy chemo

The resin's air pollution gives me some horrible headache and the sensation of spinning in my head, the best thing to do is to print in a seperate room with a good filtration and vent system...

@SuperMakeSomething

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree -- venting to the outside and getting as much fresh air as possible into/around the system is always the best option!

@MisterWealth

3 жыл бұрын

How are you able to clean the print if you're not exposed to the resin?

thanks for the testing! the models didnt turn out very well though, thats a bummer. What would you recommend for family and pets? masks cannot help them.

I have a feeling in 20 years we're all going to learn Resin printing is as bad as asbestos or something crazy like that...

@themoody1337

Жыл бұрын

The industry is using Resin for decades - I think we would know that at this point :)

J'ai pas tout compris c'est quoi M1 et tout?

The PRO version is $110.00 more than the standard version according to the links you provided. Sure is a far far difference from $50.00. Just sayin'

@SuperMakeSomething

4 жыл бұрын

3D Texan I did not provide a link for the Pro, as it has not been released yet. Where did you find pricing information? I was told by Elegoo that the retail price would be $299 vs the Standard Mars’ $249.

@miniblaze4634

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMakeSomething That is what's posted on their fb page too. 299.

@stevomv304

4 жыл бұрын

Super Make Something Mars is $229 on amazon

This is so drawn out. Get to the point

Prffft half the shit my mrs sprays on herself are more toxic ... don't get me started on the smelly shit she burns

The Mars and the Mars pro are safe. This guy is talking absolute shite. Typical for this era I guess ! - click bait at its best !