That 9.9 on beam for Aleah finnegan 🤦🏼‍♀️ with that big wobble and lifting the leg

@ameliabalch831

3 ай бұрын

bro and haleigh bryant on literally every event except maybe bars. it's obvious there's a hop on vault and she falls out of the landing. on beam there's a clear .1 wobble and obvious even in real time her legs were super crossed. the foot slide on floor is also extremely obvious too

@sydthesciencekid__129

3 ай бұрын

Aleah’s score was the most egregious in my opinion

@ameliabalch831

3 ай бұрын

@@sydthesciencekid__129 no i totally agree, lsu’s scores r literally crazy

Will you be doing a slow motion breakdown of all of OK’s routines from tonight?? Asking for a friend…..

Would you also do a video for Arkansas during this meet to compare the judging between the two teams? I’m interested to see if the missed deductions were consistent across both teams

@user-wy1jh7op2u

3 ай бұрын

arkansas did get over scored on some of there routines, but it was mostly just LSU that got over scored. But both teams did have over scored scores by the judges

I think there were few factors that made this meet especially egregious. 1. The fact the judges showed they knew how to take deductions with Ark (up until Beam) so they were blatantly using approach with the home team. 2. There is a level of forgiveness in typical NCAA judging, like flexed feet on beam series and direction on vault are not frequently taken for top 20 teams but thus meet was blatant landing deductions and beam wobbles that ignored... at that point why are scoring at all!

They were over scored highly on beam. Lifting your foot as a balance correction is over .1 so that alone saying that was the only mistake in that routine is crazy

@ameliabalch831

3 ай бұрын

fr i thought that was .2 or .3? that literally a MAJOR balance check

@Hannahgal11

3 ай бұрын

@@ameliabalch831 it depends how high your leg is lifted if you touch the Beam or bend completely over its closer

@ameliabalch831

3 ай бұрын

@@Hannahgal11 yeah ik i thought hers was pretty high but it was a weird angle i saw it from

At this point, I don't think the scoring is ever going to change. It's going to happen at any home venue. I even thought Arkansas did way better than Bama a few weeks ago, Bama got some gifts, so, anyway. We can knit pick all day long, especially on tkatchev flexed feet and shoulder angles on vault, twisting early etc...

@alexandrarose982

4 ай бұрын

even arkansas was overscored on beam. cilla park is so talented but she was clearly off balance in her series even tho she covered it one of the judges shouldn’t have awarded that a 10

@bamagym

3 ай бұрын

@@alexandrarose982 agreed. however Arkansas was the better team overall

Bars was the most obviously over scored in my opinion, but I also think Bars is commonly over scored for a lot of teams. I just hope this score doesn’t get a lot of people’s hope up for NCAA championships. I feel like LSU is always over scored at home when they don’t need to be.

@taylorburtis

3 ай бұрын

Um, the beam scoring was absolutely horrendous 😂

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

All teams are over-scored at home. It's why NQS is calculated like it is. It's not just LSU.

You should do Ucla. Their vault rotation wasn’t scored correctly at all.

@kevinstapleton1828

3 ай бұрын

You think they were overscored or underscored?

@taylorburtis

3 ай бұрын

If you are saying they were overscored, this doesn’t make sense. I’ve seen Oklahoma, LSU, Florida get 9.95’s for what Katelyn Rosen and Selena Harris did. Hopefully you think underscored lol

@Theoriginalprincess

3 ай бұрын

@@taylorburtis definitely underscored..their total score should have been higher

I haven't been watching gymnastics for that long and I always miss some deductions because I don't know enough but even I noticed things this meet that were obvious deductions that weren't taken. I would be interested to see you do this for UCLA meet against Arizona, especially the floor rotation

I think yall missing the point yes other teams get over scored but they don’t get over scored to the point where they score a new program record with this mess…..

@MichelleH2462

3 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!

@ameliabalch831

3 ай бұрын

fr, that beam rotation was an absolute mess@@MichelleH2462

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

I love college gymnastics but would love to see transparency in scoring. Love to see the start value and actual deductions judges took for each routine. Scoring is so inconsistent. Even within the same team, same event, same meet. It makes me question whether the judges know the value of elements at all.

On bars, there is an allowance of at least 10º from handstand before any deduction.

@taylorburtis

3 ай бұрын

Judges don’t follow that. If they see they aren’t exactly vertical, they still take deductions. They just don’t at home meets for the huge teams like LSU, Florida and OU lmao

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

​@taylorburtis A few lsu meets this year, the judges were super hard on us for vault and bars, then ridiculously lax on beam and floor. It's frustrating! We have a solid team this year, just score us consistently according to content and execution! We'd still be doing well without the gifts. I guess we will see what happens at the SEC championship. Since those should be SEC judges from all over the conference (preferably without any bias). I'm excited we continue to have so many talented teams in the SEC! And adding Oklahoma next year will only improve our standing! Several times this season SEC teams have had a majority in the top 10. Go SEC!!

I really hated that meet. Obvious mistakes we all saw live not in slo mo the judges "missed".

Thanks for the analysis. I learned from your critique.

Teams get gifts from home scoring, but no one can match the gifts the judges tend to give LSU.

I do think judging on the spot is so hard, I mean you can’t see a replay or slomo. For us it is easier to see deductions in slomo. But still sometimes the judges make mistakes

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

They should have tablets with replay if needed at the judges tables. And they shouldn't feel rushed in judging. Though they will be because of TV.

Bro they get this scoring in the pac 12 we get 9.825 on 1 wobble routines

This video was well done. Some things are much easier seen in slo mo. Some are noticeable to anyone in real time, like steps on landings and obvious balance breaks on beam. Great analysis.

I’m a noob but I was wondering on Savannah’s bars is it also a deduction to land with staggered feet. I’m just curious for my own reference because I try to score as I watch for fun

@TheGymnasticsSpot

3 ай бұрын

It is a deduction! I'm not sure if it is a deduction consistently taken by the judges but it's certainly something seen in a lot of bars dismounts.

@agent606

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely.

Can you also do UCLA's home meet against Washington?

Id say the ball state meet but then again. That score will be dropped when they do the nqs

I’ve about given up on scoring. Here’s a 10, there’s a 10. Everyone get a 10.

I think on vault judges only focus on landing

I watched the match and I agree LSU was overscored. Flexed feet, leg separations, crossed feet, and flawed landings seemed not to be scored. I saw flaws on both teams. Even with the differences on scoring, LSU still would have won. We do have to remember that we are seeing the match through the camera's eye, whereas the judges have to score it without benefit of replay. There were a hack of a lot of handstand issues that went unscored.

@nancysanders342

3 ай бұрын

On both teams! There is a twenty degree allowable on handstands-10 degrees either way, so it is definitely easier to see on play back and slo-mo.

Please do Arkansas! It is always frustrating to see overscoring but uncorking was such an issue too. I mean they counted a fall and clearly lost, but not by that much.

I do agree with overscoring in this meet but I would also like to see you look at the same judges with Arkansas’ scores and secondly it should also be noted that you are watching it in slow motion and at an angle the judges might not be seeing. The subjective nature of gymnastics is definitely an issue and I agree that this should be corrected in the future as much as it can be.

Can you do these more often even if there not controversial I just love seeing normal people rescore college gymnastics

Every single home team is overscored great example LSU at FLA😂😂😂 This is nothing new and jas been like this for years...get over it.

Easy to pick apart a meet in slow mo....

@carolineblueskies

3 ай бұрын

I can see all those beam wobbles with my naked eye

@agent606

2 ай бұрын

I watched one time, regular speed, and I thought this was GENEROUS, but it’s like champagne wishes on a beer budget when it comes to scoring elite vs ncaa.

Some of the vaults were definitely way over scored and so was bars. It takes away from fun aspect of collegiate gymnastics when judges favor the home team. We don’t want it to be like OU now. But I’m not sure if I’m also happy guys about OU joining the SEC next year

I like this video because it points out what is going wrong in NCAA at a great example of many overscored meets. I agree with everything in this video. LSU is not the only team that is consistently overscored but no other team has such an obvious homescoring advantage. but one question is still open for me: on bars you are allowed to be 10 degrees of vertical on handstands and pirouettes. i saw a lot of half turns on the high bar that definitely didnt finish within 10 degrees from vertical. shouldnt that be a deduction everytime?

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

There's a terrible lack of consistency in judging for NCAA meets. I know the judges feel rushed, but I'd prefer them do it old school and mark down every deduction from the starting value. And, I'd like us to see this information in real time when watching the meet. Other sports give information as plays go, why can't gymnastics? Part of me feels like if there was transparency, the judges would be more careful/conservative in all scoring. Judges are only human, so mistakes will happen but the NCAA is riddled with wild swings in scoring. What can be done?

It’s almost irresponsible of u to do a video of judging bias controversy and not mention Oklahoma scores. One badly scored meet from LSU doesn’t compare to a decades worth of overscoring for OU. I notice people turn a blind eye towards OU but it still remains a hot topic for fans and there’s lots of real controversy surrounding that team. Foe goodness sake LSU has not never even won a championship after going defeated during regular season yrs ago so they get one inflated score that won’t mean anything postseason and will be dropped out of their calculations when NQS starts so is this real that controversial?? Stop being complacent and let’s get to the REAL CONTROVERSY!!

@taylorburtis

3 ай бұрын

No one does anything for OU, because it’s literally every single meet, home or away. It’s not being complacent, it’s that there’s literally no point in pointing it out anymore lmao.

@zerekanthony2203

3 ай бұрын

@@taylorburtis well I commend u for the honesty it’s refreshing I thought u were gonna try and deny it or pretend it’s not a hot topic. The sport has a major judging problem and yeah it was crazy obvious with LSU but they don’t offend me cuz it never amounts to anything significant for that team. I want to be clear I don’t believe there is a racial component at play but I did see it suggested the reason OU gets away with it is cuz there are the least diverse team in the top 10 and the judges appreciate that. It’s horrible to ever have that out there as a suggestion but it’s out there- again I don’t believe this to be true but there is obviously a bias there and it needs to be eliminated.

All the teams including Oklahoma are being over-scored. So unless you are going to do this with every team, let’s just say the scoring is fair.

@donnakrosp3734

3 ай бұрын

I do not understand why LSU is ALWAYS scrutinized so harshly when they have a good meet. Over the years, scoring issues have come up a lot ,and often, LSU is the team being underscored, but that is never discussed. Why is it the end of the world for LSU to get decent scores, but folks don’t scrutinize other good teams!!!! Geez!!! If you are going pick apart LSU’s meets, please do it for all the top tier teams!!

@nancysanders342

3 ай бұрын

@@donnakrosp3734 yes! But they made it to final four last year. That was not a home meet. So that was unfair as well I guess.

Yes Indeed 💯 Agreed. You wrre on point with every Score, on every Rotation. In My Opinion. I Luuuuv Haliegh Bryant & to me, Shes the M.J. of NCAA Woman's Gymnastics & when shes Home, Well , Home Cookin Y'all, just like M.J. when he was at the Old Chicago Stadium & the United Cenrer. (I saw a lot of games between '95-'98 when I was staying with my mom in Chicago & he Literally Owned the Refs. More $$$$$$ to get More Sponsors to jump in for Ad Space & also of Course to Capture the All Important "Viewership" Judges Work for the NCAA, the NCAA is Broadcast on ESPN, So it just runs right Downhill. More $$$$$$ & Everyone Gets Paid.

You were pretty generous on bars and beam tbh but it’s ncaa scoring isn’t real.

So maybe a little but they don’t watch I’m slow motion so easy to be critical when watching slowed down.

@agent606

2 ай бұрын

I usually score in regular speed with one watch, but they’re probably slowing it down in the video so people who aren’t used to looking at these deductions can see them more clearly.

My frustration with videos like these is you are slowing down videos and hyper-critiquing the gymnastics being done, but at what purpose? I 100% agree LSU was overscored, but it doesn’t take this to display that. 1) Judges see the gymnastics in real-time so errors get missed. 2) If the scoring is consistent amongst both teams, what is the problem? Ethical… no, but sports like these are subjective to what the judges witness. THATS ALWAYS HOW THEY’VE BEEN. Which there were multiple Arkansas routines that were also highly overscored. 3) This, at the end of the day, serves as a forum for hate. Very few people are in the comments supporting LSU and while it might not be intended hateful towards the gymnasts, see how a video slow-mo critiquing their gymnastics can feel pointed? In reality, LSU performed very well and put down a great meet. It’s just sad to see that undermined because of a score they couldn’t even control. Disclaimer or not, no judge is gonna see this and change their ways. Write a letter to the NCAA if it bothers you that much. Im sure you would spend less time doing that then you did editing this video, and probably get more out of it.

@dellanora

3 ай бұрын

I actually like rescoring videos, lots of people do. It’s still just content. If it’s so upsetting to you, you don’t have to watch it. This person likes making these videos, and it’s okay to let people like things.

@Gymx28

3 ай бұрын

@@dellanora that’s great, I didn’t ask. In this scenario it creates an unrealistic expectation. It’s judging on the opposite end of the spectrum that y’all criticize. It’s also just straight up negative. If the judges are scoring both teams in the same manor, why tf does it matter. NCAA’s will hash out whose the best under the same scoring system amongst teams. Y’all are just out to nitpick a sport majority of you have never done.

@Gymx28

3 ай бұрын

@@dellanorait’s cool to like things, but in reality you are just bringing down these athletes and their achievements for your own enjoyment. Meanwhile preaching “to each their own tho”… okay lol

@donnakrosp3734

3 ай бұрын

Why only LSU???? There is over/under scoring in just about every meet. If you feel the need to do this to LSU, how about all the other top ranked schools as well?????

@dellanora

3 ай бұрын

@@Gymx28 you didn’t ask, and originally no one asked you. It’s the comment section, people comment regardless of being asked. Good luck with that and I hope you enjoy the rest of the season

Of course it is hate! Let’s do this with every team. So easy to watch a replay in slow motion and pick things apart! And Arkansas did very well, but two falls on an apparatus puts you in a hole it is hard to come out of. But don’t try to say you aren’t hating when you picked one team to we score, you aren’t trained and you are watching replay in slow motion mo.

@donnakrosp3734

3 ай бұрын

Every meet is going to have discrepancies, so I do not understand why everyone is so upset about LSU’s score. I have been watching LSU/SEC gymnastics for several years, and I promise, there are many meets where LSU was on the negative side of the scoring issues!!!! Why is it the end of the world when LSU has a good meet???

@taylorburtis

3 ай бұрын

@@donnakrosp3734PARDON????? It has nothing to do with LSU having a good meet, it has to do with the fact that other teams aren’t getting these favors and their NQS suffers, where they never even have a chance in post season. When there are major wobbles on beam and gymnasts are going 9.900, 9.950 and even 9.975, that’s a problem and deserves to be talked about. You sound absolutely ridiculous right now. If people don’t say something about the scoring, this is never going to change…. This needs to change so the right teams are competing for the championship. You can’t be a big gymnastics fan if you have no issues with this. Most of these errors are more than visible in real time. 😂

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

​@@taylorburtisI want to know the start value score of each and any deductions for what you are saying. For all teams, home and away. We get the same B.S. when we travel. Maybe some of the other teams have easier routines. If the start value isn't the same, even with similar deductions, the actual score will be different. To be clear, I want more transparency in NCAA judging. Holding up a card 20 seconds after a routine that was the labor of hours worth of prep isn't fair. It's too fast, no benefit of replay, etc. It is unfair to the athletes!

This is a great video! I heard about this score and was like 👀. To put it in perspective, this "alleged" 198.475 would take down every past National Title. Let's be honest, this LSU performance wouldn't take down most SEC Championships. I know that this LSU team was touted as the team that should take down Oklahoma, but let's not inflate scores to the realm of the egregious.

Please score Arkansas at this meet! I felt they were underscored

@MichelleH2462

3 ай бұрын

Definitely!

I was so frustrated watching this meet bc for the most part Arkansas did so good & were underscored for everything. Thanks for the vid!

Sierra Ballard's sissone was every bit of 180 degrees. As to the others, should we have each routine played out in slow motion so that the judges can have a better chance to see ? I would say not. Give it up.

@TheGymnasticsSpot

3 ай бұрын

I played it in slow motion so the untrained eye can spot the deductions. I believe the judges should be trained enough to see deductions in real time that the untrained eye can only see in slow motion.

@justlina2769

3 ай бұрын

@@TheGymnasticsSpot I would say that would only be true if judges were on both sides of the apparatus, which they aren't.

@abn428

2 ай бұрын

​@@justlina2769They are on both sides of the apparatus at LSU home meets. I attend the meets and can assure you there are 2 sets of judges, one on either side. And often they have wildly different scores. 😂

LSU has been overscored for YEARS. So has Oklahoma (at least in national meets: haven't seen as much of their conference competition). There are certain programs that succeed on reputation and the belief that "they are the best," so their scores must reflect it. I'd like to see the NCAA switch to elite scoring for the women (as they already do for the men). It would allow for much more differentiation between athletes.