Would it be possible you do these more often? It really helps

@windposter

3 жыл бұрын

This was really nice! More like this!

@Dorkster81

3 жыл бұрын

He does this alot on stream. Not as lengthy. But he’ll go over things. Sometimes Like if jun plays. And people wonder why jun loss fan will explain why. or if he losses fast in a game he may explain a key moment in game and why

@Dorkster81

3 жыл бұрын

Like the other day him and jun were owning and they loss cause of a genji...... And fan sensed jun was mad (mind jun doesnt really show anger). But fan said he was, and after that game jun went and solo’d After fan showed why jun was mad, and explained “as pro players this would never happen and if it did the whole team would flame u hard..... but its SL so u cant”

@vollz1107

3 жыл бұрын

Dorkster81 What day and what map? I’d like to see that one, too

@YerroPhunder

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dorkster81 the solution would be to clip those and put them up on youtube.

The problem with storm league is you’re trying to learn everything fan is talking about but you have four other people who have no clue what they’re doing yelling at you for doing what they believe is the wrong thing. Fan has the experience to disregard bad players but for newer people it’s hard when your not sure if what you did was right.

@NeoN-PeoN

3 жыл бұрын

Ahh. James Moriarty. My old nemesis. What? You're Robert Moretti? My bad dude.

@SYWPiano

3 жыл бұрын

Wow well said and 100 percent accurate....

@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely true. It's not even that i'm necessarily trying to learn these things since i already know them but the whole thing about the 4 other players is so true it hurts. I've gotten to a point where i only play SL with friends i know have a like mind as me when it comes to playing. Half the time when we're making plays we aren't even talking we just know when one is actually going in or not. I was hard stuck gold 1 about 2-3 seasons ago because i kept getting players who didn't understand this but after playing with friends it was so much easier to actually climb to diamond within a few hours

This is one of the best vids I've seen from any HOTS content creator. Obviously it's not super fun for you making vids like this (though maybe cathartic?), but one of these every so often is really cool to see.

"But it's fine, right. It's STILL fine." Fantastic content. Did not expect to watch all of this. Worth, tho.

Bring more of these videos. I honestly watch these videos multiple times. These are the videos that really help me improve

Fan out here slaying potatoes is the content I live for.

Diamond player OWNED with FACTS and LOGIC

As a person stuck in Silver 1 I see so many mistakes as well. I changed how I played after watching this along with rewatching the Kala Community Coachings and now I'm carrying more games than I thought possible.

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

It's crazy how in low ranks, just pinging camps and overextended heroes helps win a massive advantage. Only the retreat ping doesn't work. Blizzard fix pls.

Imagine being that Blaze player and thinking you know better than the guy who's both RANK 1 AND 2.

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

And that's only because there is a maximum.

Fan is the pro among the potatoes like Sheldon was in Big Bang Theory.. constantly facepalming at everything we do 😂

More of these videos Fan! Great content right here baby 👌

Great video fan, I appreciate these videos. You’re critical of your own gameplay as well (I walked into too many traps), and you’re explaining how good macro plays lead to a team being put into a position for a good micro play (i.e. a good fight or taking an objective). I think the issue is that for people who haven’t played as much as you, we have difficulty thinking simultaneously about macro play and micro play. I find myself having this problem in SL, as I pretty much steam roll through diamond cheesing people with garrosh ganks non-stop, but when I reach masters/gm and people stop messing up their positioning so much so I can’t do my shenanigans and have to actually macro, I fail :(

@fiorilli1

3 жыл бұрын

What i found helpful was to pick heroes that would give me a strong macro and at same time not as hard to micro "in a good level". Genji, Hanzo, Maiev, are great heroes but hard to micro and macro in same level if you arent an experienced player and feel comfortable with them, so i went to easy heroes to start learning macro. Nowadays, id pick rexxar beyond them 2, easier to your potatoes teammates to do good team fights. Boars when they are all together, cc chain your tank with misha W, and still macro the map.

You make a lot of great videos with great information, but this is may be your best. This video is full of information to help players understand what to be thinking and when; where the tank should position and why; when to camp and why; lane, contest, numbers, etc. Really well done. More of these would be very beneficial to those of us always trying to find ways to improve.

This is how to play it. Everyone hold one shrine as a group until u kill 2. If they have numbers up top, let them wait, u work the bottom fort and they will come down. If they don't come down, you just keep working the bottom lane.

Blaze saving E for next game

This was a rant indeed and this was educational indeed. Always interesting to learn from you.

I learned a lot from just this, surprisingly. You said you were ranting, but to a lot of us, you're saying very concrete things.

Analysis Gawd BB! Very helpful. I would dono $10 for these all day. Thanks Fan

Feels like Blaze acted as if he was just an offlane bruiser.

I can see where the Blaze was coming from with a lot of their macro play (not that I am excusing or refuting the mistakes) from my experience as a tank main (not to claim I am any good either) but I am frequently having to chose between soak or vision, and more often then not the soak is more valuable. It is definitely gambling with my team's lives and is definitely presuming that my team won't soak, neither of which are great, but it can be hard to play a roll that is supportive by its nature especially when you can fill other rolls at the temporary expense of your designated one. Solo queue is always going to be filled with bad plays stemmed from distrust of your team.

These are the things I NEED TO SEE!!! The small things that matter so much over a the course of a full game! Thanks again man, I also like the explanations on these plays as a person that doesnt have access to the people that know and see this stuff. Its like a micro coach session that I would never have had the chance to get. Also! GL in the CCL! Cant wait to cheer for the right team! 8D

Ya know, while I originally thought this was nit-picking... that just is the difference at high rank. The small mistakes add up to be major ones in the long term

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. In the end, it's two supposedly equal teams battling it out. The team that's consistently better wins. So small mistakes matter. There is always a comeback (6.5) but when those mistakes compound, the other team simply wins because they made less and lesser mistakes. The important thing, what Fan does, is point it out without losing his mind. In lower ranks, pings are incredibly helpful. It is frustrating when players don't follow them but it's important to just carry on and not quit there and start discussing it. "Why" questions lead nowhere. Insults lead nowhere. "Do bruisers fast" helps. "Don't fight obj we 19" helps. (I mean, the guy gets annoyed but ehhh, he's holding back so much.)

Having played thousands of vs. Elite AI games there are two things that could have fixed this situation. 1. Don’t pick more than one healer/support when teaming up with one or more potatoes. 🏥 🏥 🥔 2. Pick 3 assassins because more guns is better than good guns. 🔫 🔫 🔫

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

I really like AI games. They're a good chill training environment for landing skillshots and testing combos on moving targets. What doesn't get trained ever is macro. Bots never defend, always feed and they don't respond to player weakness. So a team of glass cannons just runs over any amount of AI everytime. Bots are so bad, you never have to take camps or hit structures to win the game. You can walk through bot lane and siege core in 7 minutes or less if you want. If you accidentally take boss, the lane is gone along with half the core. And yet, AI games are much more enjoyable than most QM games because of most people being chill and enjoying the game, like they should, even if the opponents are stronger. I feel like, if some effort was put in making AI just a biiit of a struggle to overcome, if bots just put in an ounce of resistance, players might automatically learn about taking camps and watching their positioning. But since bots don't do it, players don't do it. Players then go to QM and there, nobody does it. Then you do ranked and people have this skewed mix of "this is how I did it so far" and "this is how professional players do it". But pimping training mode costs money and Blizzactivision don't give a fock.

This was high value content, please make more like this

It's very weird seeing your channel (this video) for the first time, as someone who hasn't ever committed to playing ranked and yet everything you are saying is stuff I both agree with and try to encourage when I play quick match. When I point things out, I'm either ignored or told I take it too seriously, etc. So much good advice here. The reason I don't play ranked is it just takes forever to get a game going, and half the time someone leaves at the end of draft and you are waiting another 5-10 minutes. Subscribed! Probably the #1 thing that pisses me off is how people will merc at the absolute wrong times or refuse to end a game when it's possible so they can chase a DVa across the map or something. This game is all about pressing the advantage

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

Remember to always take boss once you have won the curse with 3 survivors (none of them dps). And always, always take the camp next to enemy base right after they have spawned and your team is low.

God we need more vids like this. We really need to educate the community more because this is such a common thing with many players that the skill and thought process of when things should happen, when and where to position and just the thought of what you should do next falls on deaf ears. since HGC was cancelled it has been so evident that many players don't actually know WTF is going on or how to play that it hurts. I rarely play SL solo for this reason because with my friends we're all for the most part on the same page and don't even really have to speak about what we're planning to know what some is going to do or what their thought process was

So helpful vid. Nice analysis by PRO. Thanks

Really enjoyed this. Funny games like jun medi vac on BOE and this video are my favorite types of content

Love the break down video. I would like to see more.

great video, your analysis is just awesome!!! more vids like this pls

Awesome rant, do more. 👍😁

I feel like Blaze wanted a fast fights and kills when he should have just focused on peeling and passive play (because he has double support; as Fan says "you know for sure you're going to win the sustain fight"). See 32:30 he goes in on purpose to pressure Junkrat instead of just pressuring their divers who are engaging Sylvanas. Blaze is trying to play the wrong role. If he hugs Sylvanas he even gets to share Auriel heals.

Yes, I hate the understanding of the game people have. Some have a basic understanding and the skill to play their hero... but dont understand when you have an advantage, or when to know you simply cant won a lane or objective sp go push another lane for 1 min or so. Hell it takes no time to take put a fort mid game as five

@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT

3 жыл бұрын

I'd go so as far as to say it goes beyond just some. Most players i've played with since HGC got cancelled play like this with the exception of a few who actually want to win and play the game with a higher understanding

There should be a macro quiz in master/gm every time you make it to said league

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

There should just be a spam protection that protects Grandmasters from anything that Diamonds say.

Muito bom esse tipo de conteúdo Fan, da para aprender muito.

Those quizzes, as cynically as Fan is presenting them, are actually quite useful for learning. Kala did the same. _Situation A, you are here, what do you see? So where are they? And what will they do now? What's the only option they have now?_ I was in a quickmatch recently where we lost but shouldn't have. I kept dying a lot. And I remember telling my 3 strong waveclear allies to soak 3 lanes late-game because the enemy only had Muradin and Kael and we were behind in lane pressure and XP. There was one camp up bot lane and I knew they would go there. Mura was unkillable, so we couldn't contest. Raynor was in the bot lane but a safe distance away. They took the camp and I should have pinged extra but it felt obvious. Where were they going next? Well, bot lane towards our base. Raynor stood there for like 8 seconds, then got clapped by the two. Then he ranted how it's unfair that a hero like Muradin can just chain CC you forever. I said he should have run away. He said he couldn't, he was stunned. I realized then that most players, not having the Minimap DLC, don't even understand that they can move in advance. If you had done a quiz like this with the Raynor, I bet the guy would have found the answer in half a minute and that would have improved his positioning forever.

Great content, im master player in eu and i admit that im still a massive pepega and i learned more watching this video than playing a 100 games.

Literally no point al all POGGERS it really went missing

definitely beneficial love the content

This is awesome i am silver and still anchor for team ;D thank you for the guide

I empathize with you watching this game. So much trauma. It's also really cool for someone to vocalize and explain what is going on inside of a player's head. You're like the Niel deGrasse Tyson of HotS. So many games are lost because people are just riding on their own thought trains. That being said, you need to figure out how to get in sync with your team if you want to win. If you lost, it's your fault in one way or another, and probably in bigger ways than you realize.

I have played with GM Katherine and I also agree with your analysis.

This is an absolutely fascinating video .... I watched it instead of stream sorry kek

*dunning-kruger strikes again*

@djoakeydoakey1076

3 жыл бұрын

Those 2 guys ruin it for everyone.

Thank you for the Ted Talk fan.

Oh its everything I yell at them on voice :D Luckily voice is off for this reason lol Just wish I didn’t suck so hard mechanically =D More like this please XD

Shit, i feel shame. This is why i dont like play on main tank - i literally don't understand where i should be in almost every case. I can pretty well play on assassins (of course), on healers - not ideal, but numbers at the end looks pretty decent (cleanse require more practise). But in tanks its eternal question what i should do and how. How look for fight? How did good Initiate? May be we should take camp? In teamfight happening nightmare in my head - in short, i just press buttons and hope we winning :) This video help a little, thought. P.S. I hope i didnt wrote something strange - english not my language.

@hemdallhelvard8246

3 жыл бұрын

Same about tanks - I don't understand what to do. And if I do (when obvious things happen), my team doesn't follow...

@bectip2229

3 жыл бұрын

It all comes with practice, but I can give you a few advices: always check bushes, look for the enemy team being out of position to initiate your attack, try invading camps if you see that your team has good follow ups, peel for your backline

@bcfisk

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen very few good tank players, you kind of need to be playing chess all the time while the dmg is playing checkers (see enemy, hit enemy). But, you can be decent if you just try to stay at or near the front of your team (usually, some exceptions like Anub can be used as a counter-engager) and hold your abilities until they are useful (don't W and E with Johanna on cooldown). Really can't teach someone to play in a youtube comment, too many variables (when to anchor, when to engage, when to peel, when to initiate, when to counterengage, when to disengage, where to be on the map, what to do when your team isn't following up, it's endless). Just keep watching higher-level players who seem to know what they're doing.

@bigbenhgy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah when fan is asking where you should be right now? I'm hmm where should i be? by the time i figure out there is a clear indicator where to go but it's 10 sec late at least. Thankfully most often i'm not the MT but sometimes i have to take on the role...

well this help me rise my win% in this map and not being blaze

As always nice educational video man. Can you leave a link to the stream where you played this match?

32:38 fight is actually on Deckard. He should drop his second potion on Blaze rather than a full hp sylv.

Interesting. I’ve always been hardstuck gold but know when to cap and anchor around possible rotations. Regardless of main you should know the flow better as diamond.

Do this more often :)

Fan will you be open to queue with your viewers and lead them in the game? I think we'd all appreciate a good learning experience. thanks for the great content!

I think I'm getting the point...

Blaze / Stitches backlane players

Team misplays: Omg they are the worst; Fan YOLOs into 1vs2: Just a slight mechanical misplay. I have to say, 80% of this analysis is spot on BUT you played as your part as a potatoe as well. If you see your Blaze F up on every chance you should know that you have to give either a) more instructions/pings or b) back them up so the "I think they win" turn into "i make sure they win". You a absolutly correct that there were massive misplays at hand and everything went far from optimal or efficient but when the main DD is dying to positioning you can expect the rest of the four man have little chances to constest anything. You both tilted early and thats results in the lose. Both of you took part in that to be honest.

Is the original game footage available? I did not see that notification for a Valla game.

32:15 yeah your team was gonna win that one but then your sylvanas decided to all in on a garrosh. on that note the first two "bad plays" moments you pointed out for this game, was literally caused by sylvie over extending for a few stacks. also speaking of anchoring, whenever I sit my fat tank ass in a bush next to my team doing a camp, I get spam pinged like "y u not helping noob" platinum btw. never fails to make me sad.

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

"Why are you fighting minions, Dehaka? Why are you not fighting on the point like the rest of the team? We're dying here and it's your fault!" "I'm uh... I'm soaking to 10 and the objective isn't up yet and you are 4v3, I don't..." "WHAT ARE THESE ALIEN THINGS YOU SAY? Oh great, now I got killed while typing. Report Dehaka for noob." "Uhm... do you uh... want me to dig early or..." [spam pinging intensifies]

@Kalleosini

3 жыл бұрын

@@onkelpappkov2666 I don't even play dehaka and I found that relatable as fuck.

OoOo big bwain fan...i see what you doing...advertising why you gonna dominate CCL gotcha 🤑🤑🤑

I'm a camp fan

Heroes of the storm at its finest

I feel like since watching fan i understood that some gm diamond plat players play exactly like players you will find in bronze silver gold league. I know they might be better but its the playstyle and decisions that make it the same

@fiorilli1

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like those players you point out are more consistent and well rounded in a micro level. They will be strongers with their heroes, usually with some one tricks when things could get tough, and they will play lot of games in a 5 man comp or with some really good player leveling his smurf. But, at the end of the day, will get clapped against real Gm players without being in comms, just because they do the same, but better.

@MrWTFish

3 жыл бұрын

@@fiorilli1 facts!!!!!! I used to group up in teams when i started to play and was in bronze but i gave up doing teams cause its always me carrying or helping. Usually i run teams if they listen to me so i can tank and we wrap up the game in 10mins thanks to fans tips; example of bad players you find in every league: A Johanna wasting the W on minions them engaging a fight or a diablo Qing in a 3 men straight with towers. Like it takes smill for tank

@fiorilli1

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrWTFish When i played in teams, usually was or range dps while shot calling and doing drafts or solo lane. In solo, i used to get stuck with bad players losing 4v3 and me keeping 2 top was not worth at all. BUT, i had a lot of wins letting your potatoes having a chance to do something useful, Now i know is useless while playing with a not hard engager or having TF potential with your solo lane hero, so i returned to play in the 4 man. But yeah, if you are really good tanking, you can do a lot in low ranks because potatoes just face check every bush.

9:30 so many games, i have those decent players in my qm's. and they do exactly that, and then they turn toxic :(

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

"Why didn't you run?" "We had no choice but to fight. 🇺🇸" "Did you just make the sound of a star-spangled banner?" "FOR AMERICA!"

it's hard to learn and improve as a solo queuer. I don't play SL much just because i don't have ppl to play with. I've always been wanting to improve but going solo is pretty much what everyone is saying… hard to communicate and other players not in the same mentality. Last few ranking I've been Plat 3-4. Anyways, im stuck in ARAM and i love it, learn the fighting mechanics even though it's all random

I said its a shame you dont uploaad your replays in your gm video and then you upload this one lol. Appreciate the rant regardless

And this why I used to main tanks, and also why I just stopped playing HotS. I need to play tank because I have an idea of where we need to be. And I stopped playing because I cant consistently get a team that doesnt 3v5.

@6466BowlsofRamen

3 жыл бұрын

I feel your pain bro :(

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

> throw Raynor > stun Raynor > taunt Raynor > ping Raynor "Gimme a second, Garrosh, I'm almost done with this Chen. Only 1500 HP left. I'll be right there. Just hold it, buddy. Oh, is that a D.Va? Allow me to quickly chase her and then I'll be right back with you, I promise. Man, I'm dead and nobody helped me. Team?"

I already asked if this would be possible for dono requests on twitch and i ask again please Fan its entertaining as well as informative

really feel like the people playing this game are getting worse. More people who don't know how to play, more people who are toxic, int, or troll.

@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely true. Honestly since HGC the skill of the community has dropped drastically

If I'm playing a cc healer like Anduin or Uther and my tank isn't keeping vision during camps, I'll stand in the bush and cc the first enemy to face check me assuming it's not a 5 man running at us or they don't skillshot the fog, not ideal but someone has to do it

@howsjimmysocool

3 жыл бұрын

if you're the team in the bush, its perfectly okay for the healer, or anyone for that reason, to dump their cc first. The situation fan is talking about is when youre the team checking bushes. Technically, you could dump CC as a healer into bushes, but its innefficient and partially unnecessary if your tank is good, as fan says in the vidya

Do you think the Garrosh healing reduction makes a big difference in this game with 2 heals? ex 32:43

@FanHOTS

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, even with 1 healer its insane I think. Not just heal reduction but also slow and damage as well

I get ganked and killed instantly. My team comes running yelling "we will save you". And Im like "no dont, I messed up, Im already dead dont fight 4v5 just because I fed". And my team goes like "We are COOOOMING, HANG ON!". Cue the 4v5 fight.

Reason i play qm the most so I can enjoy the game and less toxicity

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

If you're saying there is less toxicity in QM compared to Ranked, then uh... *then ur wrong & a noob!!1*

This is the stream for the match: www.twitch.tv/videos/745364465

This brings me memories from when khala was coaching players to raise up the skill lvl in hots :´) The good times before HGC was cancelled

@onkelpappkov2666

3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the Kala coachings. Recommended for everyone. Guy is super-chill and extremely streamlined.

Can we make a gofundme so Fan can buy a better mic?

Blaze taking the camp is risky. Not everyone cares about soak THAT much. Blaze's team hearth back he goes to camp. All it takes is one person to check and then he gives the enemy a camp.

@bcfisk

3 жыл бұрын

Actually thought he should have just hearthed with everyone else since he was at 15% mana, not go to the camp like Fan said (he can't hold it if other team invades anyway). Other team should have invaded it (can always portal out), but they weren't exactly great either.

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This blaze is like a lot of silver/bronce player...only fights are important and will win games...

But Professor Faaan, most of us potatoes haven't got HGC training... Additionally there are probably too many SL players that don't look up any educational Hots videos, cause maybe they don't realize there is room for improvement And then we have the issue of potates doing hgc strats but not understanding why ya'll do them or even when and where to do it

1 dislike is the Blaze

pepe tanks ruin games

These are gold players not diamond

@sgtscaryface7418

3 жыл бұрын

im in gold and i see this a lot, can confirm

This looks like a bronze game lol. I see this all the time. But worst lmfao

10:00 BLAME KATHERINEEE Fan why you going hard on a woman 🤣🤣

diamond 2 pepega crew checking in, also since ur an HGC good i feel like ranked ladder is always gonna be a shitshow to you, its like owl league players who play overwatch ladder or csgo pros just queuing on ladder, You are prob used to doing high quality scrims all day. Storm league will never be that especially after they broke up the 2 different queuing systems. I feel your pain tho, used to play R6 siege competitively.

Bro u dont gota explain the same point over and over for 5 minutes at a time. Could have been a 15 minute video. Also seems like u misplayed more than anyone.