One thing to note about leasing the battery is included in the battery rental is Roadside recovery and lifetime warranty on battery and high voltage components. if batt degrades bellow 70% they will replace for new. It’s peace of mind but at a cost. Worth bearing in mind when calculating your costs 😁👍

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

EV Opinion this fit perfectly into 1/ my budget & 2/ my desire to earlyish-adopt, while not being responsible for any battery problems. The Zoe was absolutely the only way I could afford to switch to an EV, in 2014 & I still love my Zoe. I calculated my costs at 3-4pence/mile, but I consider the £70/month battery hire, to be battery insurance, not fuel. furrie.net/Renault_Zoe

@kjakobsen

3 жыл бұрын

The battery lease to me, sounds like a great insurance against the insecurity of the battery.

@nb987

2 жыл бұрын

There are many reports in France (where we live and where there are a lot of Zoes) of the 70% guarantee not being respected. I would be wary of it being bulletproof. Due to that doubt, we recently bought out the remainder of the battery contract. The car has been excellent since we've owned it. 82,000km and going strong as ever. If you can live with the low range, it's a great car.

Nice stuff mate! Perfect match with JustEvs, Keep it up! :)

Fantastic review.

Thanks to you, yesterday, I purchased a Nissan Leaf 2017. Great for Richmond London.

Coming from a Land Rover that seating position is just great. In my old Porsche I felt I was sitting in the road and looking a lorry differentials.

I have 2x of these same models If you boot it the motor will draw 78kw max 87mph top end 80 to 90 miles range summer 65 miles winter No rattles or squeaks as yet.

Great video, I did look at ZOEs recently as well as Mrs PlugSeeker is looking at next EV in September. Helpful overview thanks.

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

The PlugSeeker cheers Colin👍

Hi I had a 3 year old 22Kw Zoe yesterday while my Leaf was being serviced (£159 hmmm) great little car only a couple of buttons on the steering wheel and radio controls on the stalk better thought out than a leaf the touch screen was small but it was very responsive I like the high seating position and was easily doing 4m/kw I found the seats were comfortable it was very quiet no rattles or creaks with 21000 miles on clock Generally I liked it and I wouldn't be phased by the battery lease because you haven't paid for the battery in the sales price Great video as always Ryan :)

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

J Tait thank you 😁👍

@bikeman123

3 жыл бұрын

£159 for a few visual checks or something more?

I bought a 2016 battery owned "i" Zoe in 2018 after it was sold by a leasing company. It was an excellent buy. I ran it for 2 years and then sold it and bought a 2018 Kia Soul EV in 2020 again an ex lease car. Its a huge saving on new prices and these ex lease cars seem to have good service records and low mileage for sensible prices.

Great video. Here are a couple of things I feel should be said. 1, The minimum mileage battery lease is, I believe, £49 per month. I put at most, £30 of petrol in my Mini Cooper sport a month and road tax is £20 a year. Zoe insurance is also dearer than my Mini (and my Mini insurance includes breakdown cover) so a Zoe works out more expensive even before I charge it. Battery owned would suit me better. 2, Isn't it a shame when at 5 years old (4 at the time of this video) a car is classed as "getting on a bit"? My dad bought a 1968 Cortina in 1975 and it lasted him almost 8 years. And that was hardly as reliable as a modern car. A lot of cars are still in warranty at 5 years old so "getting on a bit" at this age I don't feel is true. But as I said, great video and very informative.

Love mine. Owned 3 years, 64 plate, now on 27K and battery health is still at 97%. Go to car for daily chores, shopping, school run etc. Tom Tom works well, hands free, auto lights, auto wipers, windows, reversing camera, cruise, limiter, privacy glass....paid £6k from a main dealer

@Rachel_Tensions

3 жыл бұрын

ew poor

@bluerallyes2

3 жыл бұрын

User 1 insightful comment.

@Rachel_Tensions

3 жыл бұрын

@@bluerallyes2 bi a better car you poor tosser

@bluerallyes2

3 жыл бұрын

User 1 why?

My wife has this one. Four years. Just had the BMS upgrade. Battery SOH is 98%. She loves it! I am buying a Hyundai Ioniq. Due March 2020.

I bought one of these (well, actually the Q model which charges up to 49kw) last October for £6k with 21k on the clock. If I wanted to buy the same car again now, it would be £8.3-8.5k. Brilliant car for the money and, when combined with a home charger, is perfect for 95% of the miles we do as a family of 4. Our other car (Kia Ceed SW diesel) barely moves now.

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew E mine has only ever charged at my house, except for that one time they closed my motorway exit ramp, at 2am!

Battery ownership started Nov 2014 but deals on leasing where very good for the next 6 weeks , then went up in price again . Lease covers battery at any point

As already pointed out by several owners here, you do get a comprehensive breakdown cover to factor into the cost of the battery lease. Also the yearly costings were based on 13p per KW which I agree is about the norm however I charge mine overnight for 4.7p perKw!! Using the onboard timer. Factor that price into the yearly running costs and we really are talking peanuts here

Unfortunately as Zoe only just arrived in Australia only 40kWh model available and the 50 once it's available.

I have a 2016 i and get near to 100 miles summer and 70 winter. Currently 4.6 miles per kWh. I'm old and drive gently but not obsessively so. I think the quoted range here is a bit low or pessimistic. Love the car which I bought at 2 years old with a very low mileage, having been on a two year lease. So far so good and very pleased.

@grier2593

5 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on the types of journeys you do, my commute has lots of 60 mph roads and I get just over 4 miles per kWh in summer and 3.5 miles per kWh in winter.

@johnfaulkner6776

3 жыл бұрын

Have now sold my 2016 plate Zoe i and bought a 2018 Kia Soul EV.

Ryan - an interesting sell tactic - to sell you the car and rent the battery separately. But this strategy kept the “car” cost low, I’m sure, which is a necessary tactic when selling an EV with short range. And battery rent also shifts the responsibility if batteries go bad all of a sudden, which adds some comfort to a fear for many potential customers. For those who stop and do the calculations, 50-70 miles per charge will cover a huge percentage of trips for a lot of people, offsetting a significant fuel bill in the UK. I’m sure the battery rental cost doesn’t drop as the car ages, which would make these cars seem less attractive. They are still a great way to get someone introduced to the plusses of driving an EV. Good stuff, Ryan!

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

Dennis Lyon I like to think about the cost of the battery insurance premiums staying linear while the battery ages, as great value, because the older it gets & more charges & use it gets, the better the chance something will go wrong.

@dennislyon5412

5 жыл бұрын

furriephillips - with the history (batteries) we have to date, you could say that a battery could fail at any time, and like any battery used in an automotive application, the older they get - the higher the chance of failure. I know I was skeptical at first, comparing an EV battery to a cell phone or laptop battery, which lose a significant amount of capacity after a year or two. But, other than the early Leafs, the EV batteries are generally holding up quite well. As time goes by, more people will see that the batteries aren’t losing half of their capacity in a couple of years - or perhaps failing completely - and they just might take a chance on owning an EV for a few years.

Battery owned has been available from day one 2013. Just no dealers mentioned it but they are out there. Top speed 87mph lol Range easy 90+ summer 70 winter SD card is for maps only and updating rlink system Eco doesn't gain range in anyway don't use it hahaha Don't forget owning battery also doesn't come with recovery if you run out leasing does, Just abit more info for anyone watching and reading. Also alot more info avaliable by joining the Club which let's not forget Zoe has a true club with support something others don't offer :) Nice video Ryan maybe we do need to meet up so I can teach you more Zoe info lol

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

Renault Zoe & ZE Owners Club I was just thinking that. I should have you in the back shouting at me when I say something wrong 😳. In all seriousness it would be good to do a video together. Are you going to the EV Festival at the end of the month?

@RenaultZoeZEOwnersClub

5 жыл бұрын

@@EVOpinion I will be there matey :)

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

Renault Zoe & ZE Owners Club brilliant. I’m coming to film you 😁

@RenaultZoeZEOwnersClub

5 жыл бұрын

@@EVOpinion I will wear the red dress

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

Renault Zoe & ZE Owners Club Ive told you before. I don’t make that type of video 😘

Hello there . Am interested in a Renault Zoe year 2017 with the 22kw battery . The car has already 70,000 with health battery 87% . Is it worth to buy an EV car over 6years old with a degradation of 13% or should I forget about it . I mean would it be more troublesome than cost savings in the long terms ? Advice most welcome

I bought a used one, 20000 miles, had it 7 days of which 5 were in the garage, heater stopped working as I drove out forecourt, they hired me a car while they fixed it, 5 days, got car back with 50% charge, stopped to charge on way home, charger threw an error, tried another it errored tried a 22kw one it errored, I total I took out 5 chargers before car threw battery error. Dealer took it back and refunded my money.

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

John Porter what a nightmare! Unfortunately there is always a lemon it’s just a pain when you end up with it!!

@jaipo

5 жыл бұрын

True, on the plus side, leased an Ionic and glad I did, more range, more toys, faster, and CCS

@piglet5287

5 жыл бұрын

That's the French for you, they throw in a dud from time to time

Personally I would look out for a battery owned ZE40, at around £8000 plus battery lease the ZE20's are over priced and the battery lease is a bind. The car at new was probably only around £12k.

The older the car get the more appropriate the lease becomes. If the battery goes below 75% you get a new battery, which is more likely to happen when the car is over 6 to 8 years old (if at all, you pays your money, you takes your chances).

@nielst.3891

5 жыл бұрын

Man with Zoe question will be: does Renault have sufficient packs at hand....

@manwithcorsae7738

5 жыл бұрын

@@nielst.3891 Hi Niels, TBH I don't really think depreciated packs will be that much of a problem. They are more likely to outlive the safe life of the car and end up as providing static storage somewhere. Batteries are proving to be more robust than they were expected to be when the recent tranche of EV were developed.

@nielst.3891

5 жыл бұрын

in The Netherlands early adapters of Zoe are neglected at all. So be prepared to see your Zoes’ value vaporize. Renault prefers to sell you a new car instead of an upgrade of battery pack. But this is now history, I ditched the Zoe as trade in, and ride a Long Range Tesla Model 3 (AWD) now. bye bye Renault ;)

@manwithcorsae7738

5 жыл бұрын

@@nielst.3891 Glad to see you're so happy Niels. Time will only tell. Enjoy your Tesla.

@MrCarlseb

4 жыл бұрын

Niels T. Um you’ve just paid 3 x the price of a Zoe 😂.

I 100% gonna buy this car, you get insanely cheap running cost, and can drive all you want for only 120$ every month, it's insanely more cheap than to have are patrol car, speciel here in denmark, we have some of the most exspensive patrol price in the world

@DJChipsandGarlic

3 жыл бұрын

im going down the same route. ive only had 4 driving lessons since september due to covid but im still sold on going electric. and these seem reasonable for the price. lease and non lease

i want one, and i dont even drive yet

Would you still buy end of 2021?

i've owned this for 2 years. It's been generally very good, drives well and was pretty competent in the recent ice and snow. 70 miles in winter and 95 miles in summer. 3 major gripes, the touchscreen is very unreliable and often doesn't work, the app/website is rubbish - these combined mean that trying to charge on cheap overnight electric can be difficult. My major problem has been the air con/heating. The pump failed and the replacement was £1,500 plus fitting - ouch.

I've got A Renault Zoe i 22 kWh Q motor can charge on granny cable, solar panels even on a dull day, 7kw, 22kw and 43kw and I noticed that the fast chargers never get the battery to 100% only the home charger can do that gets you over 20 miles more the most I got was 95 miles on one charge, where as the most I could get from a fast chargers was 70 miles, l'm just wondering if someone else has had the same experience.

@rogerhudson9732

4 жыл бұрын

To go over the 80% 'sweet spot' always charge slowly to maximise battery life.

This video has great timing, I have been looking at used Zoes, (don't see many in silver) even the early 40s can be found for less than a leaf so they really are affordable and owners seem to love them. I have heard range was closer to 70 -85 miles, can any owners advise on this?

@rossmc40

5 жыл бұрын

I can easily get over 80 in the summer and over 65 in the winter if driven carefully.

@watcher24601

5 жыл бұрын

@@rossmc40 Thanks, useful to know

@MrCarlseb

4 жыл бұрын

When I’ve charge my Zoe to full and do a reset on the stalk it always shows me 120 miles.

Have a look at the target prices in What Car for new Zoes before you buy used. They are way below list price. Of course someone will now reply that What Car are inaccurate.

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

piglet5287 I paid way below list when I got mine, in 2014, and there were some sneaky incentives & cash-backs that they employed, which made the switch to EV pretty painless. Of course, as EVs become more popular, they don’t need to try as hard, and it’s generally cheaper to let someone else take the initial depreciation hit :)

I looked at the zoe and the battery lease plus electricity worked out more than my diesel.

@myblueheaven4424

3 жыл бұрын

Great thing about battery lease is the roadside cover and battery degradation cover. I wouldn’t calculate the cost of battery lease as just in the “fuel” category. Plus, personally I’d be happy to pay a little more to take a combustion engine off the road.

Using an SD card will render navigation useless (as on the supplied SD card maps are stored in propriatary file format). Also blue film on exposed external logos will blatter due to UV and weather influence. The rubbers on the windows tend to harden after 3 years and come lose. Replacing is way too expensive...

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

Niels T. Thank you for your comments. Most older Zoe’s I see have some form of pealing on the badges. I know some have been replaced with silver ones. I didn’t k ow about the rubber. That’s something for anyone looking to buy one to look out for 😁👍

For me the problem with the battery lease is resale: while the care depreciates the lease doesn't. If I bought this at 5 years old and tried to sell it 5 years later the battery lease looks really expensive for what will be a 10 year old car who wants to pay £89/month on a car works maybe 2-3k ?

@MrCarlseb

4 жыл бұрын

My 2015 Zoe has actually gone up £1,000 in value!

The lump in the back is the same in the Clio , regen in my opinion is safer because for any one behind you you could get yourself rear endowed easily in other ev’s . No squeaks in mine . Usual Renault bashing , never thought Nissan was anything premium . Angfile bias , couldn’t make cars had to get everyone else to make them

@EVOpinion

5 жыл бұрын

Nigel Weir I’m just a bloke with an opinion. No need to agree but I’m sure you’d rather was honest than said everything was Rosie?

We have come a long way, 22kw to 52kW affordable EVs

The handbrake, the ultimate (final) way of stopping a car, I've not seen anything telling me how the Zoe2 'electric' parking brake works, if the car electrics totally fail suddenly what do we do? likewise electric windows when a car falls in a canal ? ( i've seen a car fall off a dock but the driver had wind-down windows so got out with help.).

@theoz2850

4 жыл бұрын

I hope that the brakes have a system installed that ensures that they will automatically stop the car in case of a complete loss of power (e.g. a spring counteracted by a solenoid as long as power is available). For the latter case (car falling into water) one better has an emergency hammer for smashing a window (and maybe cutting the seatbelt) ready inside the passenger compartment.

@MrCarlseb

4 жыл бұрын

Zoe’s have a separate battery for windows and other vitals. Honestly!

@Seathal

10 күн бұрын

EVs still have a 12V battery like all cars for those purposes

I wish they'd drop the battery rental. I've yet to meet anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

IPCC SaysLessThan12Years you have now. Nice to meet you. I literally couldn’t afford to drive an EV, if I had to pay for the battery, up front. I have enjoyed 5 years of carefree motoring & haven’t bought fossil fuel since 2014. I’ve saved £814/year by switching from a Kia Sportage, to a Renault Zoe & when the 0% finance was finished, I was £230/month better off, which I am very pleased about.

@style11guru

5 жыл бұрын

Nice to meet you also, battery lease is a great thing! Especially for a used vehicle that could potentially be close to the dreaded 75% capacity, once it hits that you get a brand new one fitted! Mine is a 2014 dynamic intens 31k miles and still @ 98% the lease offers warranty and roadside assistance for the life of the car

@shoelessjoe428

5 жыл бұрын

@@style11guru But it does sound like you'll have to do A LOT of miles to get anything out of your battery lease payments (ie. get your battery health below 75%). I know this is somewhat difficult to be precise about, but if a 2% drop is 31,000 miles, what would be a 25% drop? 350,000 miles? ..I mean if it runs in an anywhere near smooth curve? ..I bet most owners get rid of their EV before it hits 100,000.

@AndrewEbling

5 жыл бұрын

Although I wasn't super enthusiastic about taking on the battery lease, it has lowered the financial barrier to entry to the point where I was able to take a punt on a 2nd hand Zoe. I'm really glad I did. But I would now prefer to own the battery.

If they only in vented batteries 2 years ago I could except the battery lease idea, but they did not and they ain't that unstable. I will wait a while longer, long enough for the car manufacturers to realise that if they continue with stalling tactics such as this every body really will be driving a Tesla

@grier2593

5 жыл бұрын

Renault have given the option to buy the battery outright on new Zoes for the last couple of years, so there will be a significant number of ZE40's that will appear on the 2nd hand market in the next couple of years without the lease.

Can someone clarify for me: if you buy the battery outright, is it just covered by the car warranty (4 years?) or do you get longer?

@AutomanUK1

5 жыл бұрын

From Renault site it looks like the battery/drivetrain is 5 years or 100,000miles and the rest of the car is 4 years. "The Electrical Powertrain (see section 1.1 Vehicle Warranty) is covered for 60 months or 100,000 miles under the following conditions: unlimited mileage for the first 24 months and limited to 100 000 miles during the following 36 months (whichever comes first). "

@AutomanUK1

5 жыл бұрын

I would think a 2015 Zeo battery would be good for another 5 or 6 years at least and by then battery costs will have dropped a lot. I wouldn't have any concerns about buying a 2015 Zoe with under 50k on the clock.

@johnfaulkner6776

3 жыл бұрын

Provided you keep servicing bang up to date and don't miss a date you can pay Renault to extend warranty from year to year up to 10 years.

I like the Zoe. The mark 2 looks a lot better as well as being brought up to date.

How do i know if the battery is owned or leased?

@rickfranke4886

3 жыл бұрын

Watch it again

@bh25jay

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickfranke4886 i did....still don't know. Do you know?

@rickfranke4886

3 жыл бұрын

@@bh25jay if it has got an I on the back hé explains it

@bh25jay

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickfranke4886 thanks 🙏

60-70 miles range! thats not great...

Range on a car like this?

@boltsfl4923

3 жыл бұрын

Watch the video

But it's a Renault!

@MrFurriephillips

5 жыл бұрын

Colin Overton it’s literally the only Renault I would buy.

Comparing with the leaf , sorry leaf ugliest car on the road , even facelift version a bit odd

Imagine Apple saying the phone is with a rental battery. So French.

I’m shocked by the cost £1500 for 10000 miles with the Zoe My 2017 1.6 Diesel hyundai i30 would cost around £1200-£1300 for the same mileage I get that the EV is more eco friendly, but financially it makes no sense Yet all the EV You Tubers keep banging on about how cheap they are to run 🤷🏻‍♂️ What am I missing here ??? No wonder I can’t seem to make the jump to an EV 😏

@grier2593

5 жыл бұрын

The battery lease is essentially a discount on the purchase price of the car which you pay back over its lifetime. Actual running costs are around £0.03p per mile. Battery lease made sense for the first owner of the car, but makes less and less sense as the car gets older. When I bought my Zoe ZE40 I decided to buy the battery outright as I expect to keep the car for at least 10 years and don't want to be forever on the hook for the battery payments. In terms of affordability, a brand new Zoe works out cheaper than an equivalent new Clio if you do at least 10,000 miles per year, the more miles you do the better proposition it is.

@spsmith45

5 жыл бұрын

But it’s dirty.

@AndyC2_

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Smith Dirty ?

@spsmith45

5 жыл бұрын

Andy CFR The diesel.

@AndyC2_

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Smith Yeah mate, if you look at my original comment I did acknowledge that EVs are more eco friendly, my point was about the cost, and how I’m not seeing what EV owners say I should be 🤷🏻‍♂️

Please learn how to pronounce Renault, otherwise a handy review as I'm thinking about a first EV and will buy second hand (and keep a petrol car). If all is well, I'll trade it in for a new one later.