Oh man, you always end up with the coolest historical *and* modern firearms. These kind of oddballs from long ago are right up my alley.

you got some interesting pieces of hardware... i like very much

Saw a video earlier of some shotgun shells that are completely brass. Brought me to this video.

@314299

9 ай бұрын

Were they old shells or the newer Magtech ones form Brazil?

I believe the N.Y. State militia rifles had a much more pronounced hammer spur. Bannerman could have altered anything, however. Cool stuff.

I own one of these, it has been handed down thru 5 generations! Love it!

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Is yours also in 20 gauge?

I really enjoy these rifles. I only have two, however. The first is a Danish in 11.7 X 51R and the other is an unmarked one (probably Mexican) in 7 X 57. Great fun to load for. Enjoy!

I guess I got lucky with mine, as the exterior is pretty rough, but the insides are in great shape. The Dane, as you would expect, is pristine.

Well, that concept certainly fits in with the "economy" of the times. I understand that the original 50-70 trapdoor Springfields were converted from 50 cal muzzle loaders until the existing stocks were used up before starting new manufacture.

Could this have been intended as a foraging rifle? I have heard that was pretty common in wilderness posts.

very cool

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I've seen a few in 50-70 but they are priced for collectors. You can still get ones that were used by the Swedish in there 12.7 black powder round round relatively cheap but if you want it in something like 45-70 then they run about 2K and up. A reproduction in 45-70 will cost you about $1500.

I have owned 2 of these in the past Ione being a Remington's and one a Remington's and son you can use modern shells in them it's not a problem. Great for turkey shoots.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

They ought to be plenty strong for standard 2-3/4" shells.

@josephbragg6388

3 жыл бұрын

I tested them for high velocity 6 shot not any heavier ,it took it well

@user-yd6go4oi6j

4 ай бұрын

@@314299 I have one like this in 16 gauge, and seeing that the barrel is in very bad condition, I was thinking about putting in a rifle barrel. My question is? What gauge the Breech Block support ? any suggestions? Thank you. (sorry for my bad english) Responder

back in the 60s and before then you could find plenty of these kind of conversions done on obsolete single shot black powder rifles in south america. they worked,and the ones made from rollingblocks and comblains actually were good shotguns.

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+fernandolk1 Many of them still in use in south america?

@fernandolk1

8 жыл бұрын

not in really active service but really relegated to nice heirlooms to pass on. thing is that some of them have seen really heavy use as cheap shotguns back then and then passed along and getting sold. so most of them are in not so good shape unless they remained in the family or among the few real gun collectors that still remain.

@kenibnanak5554

8 жыл бұрын

I have one of the SA Light Baby Carbines someone (probably a native of Uruguay) converted to 11.1x50,, shotshell, probably to comply with local law there prohibiting civilian ownership of a gun chambered for a military round. However, they left the 43 bore's rifling intact. This meant it can now be fired with just about any 44 cartridge, from 44 Special on down (including the original 44-40) to 44 Bulldog while still in technical compliance with Uruguay law. A 444 Marlin brass cut down to 50mm fits perfectly as a replacement for the 11.15x50mm shotshell. I have a video up of me blowing up logs with it.

@fernandolk1

8 жыл бұрын

that is rather interesting.

@DirtyFrigginHarry

7 жыл бұрын

Remember seeing a Trapdoor Springfield converted to 12 gauge. It was hard to talk myself out of it.

i would love to have one in 50-70

Nice shooting, hot damn I wish I could shoot like that. Clay pidgeon shooting was always my weakest point.

Bela arma, funcional e simples!!!

@314299

Жыл бұрын

Very true.

Thanks for all the help!

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

No problem.

@Phil-qc3ei

10 жыл бұрын

Have you been shooting yours for awhile now?

Very nice rifle, it really has an aura about it. Does it recoil heavily?

you have to try some subsonic rounds in it I have some data here i'll see if I can find it

For what it's worth, I don't think that's a converted NY State Model, though it may have still been in .50-70 originally. NY State Models will have a much taller ear on the hammer block, and the hammer will actually drop to half-cock when you close the breech block as a safety precaution, which is a very unique thing that no other rolling block does. Either way it's a super neat shotgun!

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct, it is not a conversion of a NY rifle.

I have one and mine also puts a nice size hole in the shell where the firing pin hits it, could that be just the nature of the gun?

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

It does seem that a lot of them do that.

My Dad had one like that. The danish army had the roling block 1867-1889 in 11mm danish, I don't know if my dads was a convertion or it was made as a 20 gauge

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+Lars Byrialsen I expect the majority of these began life as rifles and were converted to shotguns after they became obsolete as rifles.

@holojordan7041

8 жыл бұрын

+314299 Shooting Channel correct, the Remington rolling block rifle came first then the pistol and shotguns. All of them are awesome guns imo.

Hi, I want to tell if I can use modern cartridges, smokeless powder. thank you very much. I'm from Uruguay and I have a gun of those belonged to my grandfather.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

rusocarbonero In my opinion the gun, if in good condition should be safe to use with smokeless cartridges. The original black powder rifle rounds generated similar pressure to modern 20 ga shotgun shells.

Man, you sure do end up with some interesting stuff. It really makes your channel stand out. Incidentally, how do you think they bored out this barrel? With a broach? Seems like you would need one hell of a drill bit for a job like that...

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

Probably opened up from the original caliber with a series of reamers.

I’m about to buy one of these, you think it’d be fine with black powder slugs or a muzzleloading adapter?

@314299

8 ай бұрын

I would be sure the one you are looking at has no choke or that any slug you may fire in it is smaller than the choke. As for a "muzzle-loading adapter" I guess one would work OK in one of these, but I have no personal experience with them.

So you think the barrel started out as a rifle barrel and was bored out for a shotgun? Some of the research I have done suggests the gun was designed to be a shotgun, just using the same design and a lot of the same parts as the carbines

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

This one is most certainly a re-bored rifle, the rear sight dove tail is still present under the fore end (they took a bit off off the barrel so it could be screwed in 1/2 turn further to hid the sight cut). As you mention there were purpose built rolling block shotguns, but this was not one of them. With any of these old guns you have to determine what is safe for the individual gun, they are not all equal by any means.

I've always wanted to covert my grandpa's old rolling block .32 rimfire to .357 magnum or .410/ 45 lc

@314299

4 жыл бұрын

You might want to convert it to a .32 center fire instead. 357 Magnum is a whole lot more pressure than any .32 rimfire.

@PingasMonkey3rdClass

4 жыл бұрын

@@314299 , what about subsonic .38 special? Or a low recoil .410 load?

Can this shotgun be converted to shoot .45 colt or .45-70?

@314299

Жыл бұрын

Probably. I expect a lot of them have been converted back to rifles as the shotguns would be an economical source for a rolling block action.

We had one at home when I grew up rebored 50 cal ex Swedish army we still had 20 cal black powder cartridges somehow it disappeared from the boat shed I always wondered what happened to it.

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it "grew legs and walked away"....

The replicas made by uberti are really good target rifles but are only chambered in rifle and revolver cartiages, it would be cool to see a shotgun series of rolling block being made.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Kane Jones Interesting but I doubt there would be a lot of demand.

@kanejones99

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah the rifles made now aren't that popular, i wish they would be because they're great guns. How was yours for hunting?

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Kane Jones Fine for close shots, as there is no choke it's not great for anything over 25 yards.

I don't know much about shotgun ammo, but if there is a 20. Ga slug that would be perfect to shoot from that gun.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Bartosky Yeah, might be worth a try sometime.

if you repeat the shot at 7:10, you can see the shot coming out of the barrel.

I have a rolling block shotgun that looks exactly like the one in this video. It was passed down to me through generations. I haven't found anyone who can tell me what model it is, what year it was made or the value. There is only one marking on it, which is 77387. Can anyone help me to learn about it? Thanks.

Good afternoon, I wanted to know if you could guide me, I have a shotgun just like that and they have offered to buy it, could you tell me, if you know, what is its value? Thank you.

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

I would estimate value as about $300 to $400 for one in the condition shown in the video.

@adricaaguaysoda2562

2 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Thank you very much, very attentive of you, greetings.

From what I can see, this is not a new york state militia gun. A special feature of those rifles is when the breech was closed, the hammer would drop to half cock as a safety feature. I don't know if this feature has been disables on yours, but it is unlikely.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

hawreluk4 That is correct, it is not a new york state militia gun.

Are you shooting modern plastic shells?

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

Yep, plastic.

Would you sell it ? Or were can I git one

@314299

5 жыл бұрын

No it's not for sale. As for where to get one they are like any used firearm, you have to hunt around for what you want, trying sources such as gun shows, gun shops, on line auction sites, dealers, etc.

Are you shooting smokeless powder?

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, smokeless target loads.

sure it was converted? the were made by the factory as shotguns in 16 and 20 ga

@314299

7 жыл бұрын

Yes there were factory made rolling block shotguns but I'm quite sure this one was converted from a rifle as there is a sight dovetail hidden under the fore end. It appears that when the barrel was re-bored and re-chambered they took some material off the breach end so the barrel could be turned in a 1/2 turn further to hide the old rear sight dovetail.

Hi, I read an artickel abaut this rifle. The writer sed that the sigtinggrove whos only on the ones that whos made as shootguns.

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+henrikosanna I dont think that writer is correct. That groove on the top of the receiver would be very easy to add to a reused rifle receiver, but what is more of an indication that this firearm was converted to a shotgun from a rifle is the presence of a rear sight dovetail on the back of the barrel. On mine they hid the dovetail by indexing the barrel 180 degrees from it's original position so the dovetail is now beneath the fore-end.

Are you using paper shells?

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

No, plastic tube hulls.

@Phil-qc3ei

10 жыл бұрын

The plastic shells aren't too much pressure for the barrel?

@314299

10 жыл бұрын

I am not concerned with using smokeless loads with plastic cases/wads in this particular gun as the action is strong and the barrel has plenty of thickness to it. The pressure of the original rifle rounds was greater than that of modern 20 gauge shells.

I got a remington rolling block n 45 70 but i would love this 1 i mite buy me another remington rolloing block n have my gun guy make me 1 n 12 gauge

Que arma linda poderia ainda ser produzida mesmo sendo "obsuleta"

@314299

9 ай бұрын

I think there are reproduction rolling block rifles being made, but no shotguns.

want to sell it

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+Luke Prince Not really.

@kenibnanak5554

8 жыл бұрын

There are a bunch of them on Gunbroker in various calibers and gauges.

I got Unsubbed from your channel for some reason

@314299

7 жыл бұрын

I cant "unsub" anyone so it wasn't anything I did. KZread sometimes works in mysterious ways.