the cloak while firing was clearly the biggest edge the scimitar has

@StephenPitter

4 ай бұрын

Not against multiple ships

@compmanio36

4 ай бұрын

@@StephenPitter You literally see it exploit that advantage repeatedly in the movie, against multiple ships.

@patrickstivers7387

4 ай бұрын

@@compmanio36 Three ships. Two of which Shinzon likely knew the weaknesses of which is why they get taken out of the battle so quickly.

@compmanio36

4 ай бұрын

@@patrickstivers7387 I'm sure that helped. However the point remains. It engaged multiple ships while cloaked, while being very difficult to target in return. I'm not sure how there being more ships makes that less helpful for the Scimitar.

@patrickstivers7387

4 ай бұрын

@@compmanio36 Because you had one ship that was able to fire in multiple arcs while the other two ships had to maneuver to bring their weapons, which were all forward facing, to bear. Had Enterprise made it through the Bassen Rift and met up with Task Force Omega, I highly doubt that that the Scimitar would have been as successful. Especially since they were going up against at least two Dominion War vets in the USS Hood and USS Galaxy.

Recent tests with QBPlus has shown that, on Extreme AI, the power buildup warning is not a joke... if the AI misses ramming, it self destructs with enough power to nuke your ship...😮

@MisterMarin

4 ай бұрын

Ah, pattern suicide. Roger roger. 😛

@MSR-1701

4 ай бұрын

@@MisterMarin 😂

Would love to see a battle sim of a Borg Cube vs. a Doomsday Machine!!!😃👍💛

Battle group Omega didn’t have a Defiant class in it, however it did have an Intrepid class named USS Valiant

@jasonwestwood7092

4 ай бұрын

No The Intrepid class U.S.S Intrepid the Valliant was mist likely a Defiant class.

@scpguy1381

4 ай бұрын

@@jasonwestwood7092 look at memory Alpha, it’s an Intrepid

OMG my suggestion. Loved it so much

Come on, Captain Venom, you're not scared of their quaint little ships. 😆 I don't care what critics say, I loved Venom. It could have been more polished, but I still enjoyed it. 😀 Shinzon and Jean-Luc said they wanted to hit 2 meters. I'm 1.9m and happy with that. 2m is crazy (6'7" in English terms 🙂) But I digress, back to the fight... yes, if Picard could have rendezvoued with the fleet, they might have had a chance, but even with Dina Meyer's help, they still had to ram the Scimitar and Data had to die. It was still nice seeing Picard as a badass for once. Just like he did with those Naussicans. 😄 Also, even though I grew up in New England, I heard Patrick saying "L-grey" tea 😆. Tea, L-grey hot. I forget how old I was before learning about Earl Grey.

"Let's see what this Galaxy can do, prepare for ramming speed!"

@jogpoel5391

4 ай бұрын

She survived it, didn´t she? 😃

@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote

4 ай бұрын

Just a flesh wound >:3

That was AWESOME! 👍 Thanks. I think that if the Scimitar had been able to fire while cloaked, then it might have had a good chance, but without it, no chance.

If you did some cheeky warp core/sensor array targeting I think you could have won. All those disruptors are great for subsystem targeting. Knock out enterprise sensors, knock out galaxy sensors, come back to finish them off later.

That was a fun battle! Always wish this is what the Nemesis battle could have been

OMG my suggestion! Thanks so much!

@BazT47

4 ай бұрын

Mine too haha

@MisterMarin

4 ай бұрын

@@BazT47 Boc the Crude?

Other way around other way around :-)

@02ujtb00626

4 ай бұрын

SAME!!!!!!

Surprised the Excelsior refit lasted much longer than the Defiant under the Scimitar's firepower.

@jamesbarrow904

4 ай бұрын

It's Tuesday

Would like to see the Scimitar go up against a Dominian Battlecruiser!😃👍💛

😨Yes Admiral.. Crikey. 1st battle , as soon as you uncloaked all fired on you unreal.. and 2nd battle still lasted long even that first ramming.. wow. but I would say too if the Ent reached the fleet, would have won against the Scimitar.. wow this was a non stop weapons fire jeepers.. still great.. love the battle!!!😊🖖 Strange cause I remember and just went a saw the Scimitar can fire while cloaked.. hmm **The Scimitar was able to both use shields and fire whilst cloaked. The cloak also remained effective even through multiple weapon hits from phasers, photon and quantum torpedo hits and disruptors. Guess in game not same as in the movie.. just saying..!

In canon, the scimitar would easily maul them, its weapons (not even including torpedoes) is more than the entire fleet (the one here) combined. But instead on one shield face, constantly rapid firing, and with more torpedo firepower as nearly 2 akira classes. Yeah the fleet is completely and utterly done for.

Ships ramming you constantly is what you have to put up with when a Klingon is given command! Apparently Federation starships are just better designed for ramming than Klingon ones.

Yeah I do strongly believe The Scimitar would have been destroyed by the Omega Battle group. The main strength of the Scimitar was it's ability to fire while cloaked. A task force would soon triangulate it's fire and overwhelm it.

@nicholashoward971

2 ай бұрын

I doubt it since the enterprise e while upgraded barely did anything to the scimitar. While the scimitar was suppressed.

You'll never learn your lesson with the cloaking device, eh? You're only supposed to drop cloak on the aft port quarter and come to full emergency stop.

Worf would have been very pleased if he was on the Ent D :)

Wicked🖖 Omega partical all the way🖖

The firing while cloaked is a big advantage but in the movie it also had primary and secondary shields so it could take a lot more hits without losing sheilds, the game cant really replicate that advantage

They should put cloaked firing into the game. It's cannon after all.

@compmanio36

4 ай бұрын

The Kobayashi Maru mod has it. But not remastered as shown here. KM crashes far more often though.

i just wished that the weapon particle effects were closer to the movie, tealish green disruptors and greenish yellow torpedos, also i belive the torpedos should be called a cased plasma torpedo.

I was one who asked for this battle so thank you. I wonder how a similar battle group would perform against a Dominion battleship?

I would have liked to think the Omega task force would have been able to defeat the Scimitar, especially if this is any indication of that. Although I don't think they'd decloak and fight. Firing through the cloak gives them a tactical advantage and the task force would have to do a lot of blind weapons firing like the Enterprise-E did at the beginning of the battle. I couldn't help but laugh the second time when the Galaxy class rammed into you lol.

@giovannirodriguesdasilva646

4 ай бұрын

They learn from the Odyssey

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

Your right. The Scimitar's greatest advantage was it's cloak 🖖

I would say it would depend on whether the Thalaron weapon could be charged and fired while cloaked. If so - and it had the dispersion radius to be able to kill a planet - Shinzon could have wiped out Task Force Omega without them even knowing what hit them. If Shinzon decided it was more important at that point to just destroy the task force, complete the mission, and forget about Picard, he could have succeeded, even though he would have died. If he insisted on trying to get Picard back and tried to slug it out I think he could have still lost. That many ships and that big a battle, sooner or later the cloak would have taken some damage or some Starfleet engineer would have figured out how to get around it. They have a knack for doing that sort of thing.

All I can see when I look at the Renaissance is 2 highlighters glued to the top of the primary hull. 😂😂 I think it would have looked fine without them.

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Picking on the weakest of the bunch. What a bully... 😉

I feel like all the Federation ships should have been stronger than shown due to it being a few years after the Dominion war. With the threat still posed by the Borg, these ships wouldn't have had their advanced defensive systems removed and might even have received further upgrades after the peace.

With a little more tactical targeting you absolutely could have ended that battlegroup.

One problem though the ai doesn't move around to let the other Shields tank the damage. Everything will be at 100 except front shields and they will just stay there taking it all head on (literally)

Replace Enterprise with Titan and add Riker's ship (the one with the huge phaser on the saucer).

I wonder if the game has the radiation super-weapon? Cause I think Shinzon would have parked cloaked at optimal firing range and just turned all the people on every ship to ash without ever being spotted.

Other way arpund please? Can we do that from the perspective of the Intrepid class? Others too?❤

Was the Defiant part of the task force in this battle? I think it would be a 50/50 chance of a Scimitar victory in an actual battle vs the task force on the movie screen firing while cloaked.

I think when nemesis takes place all the starfleet ships would of been dominion war refits and most likely had quantum torpedoes

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

That's a very good point 🖖

I don't think it would have made much of a difference. They knocked out 2 Valdores like they were nothing and then crippled the Enterprise. I imagine the Excelsiors, Intrepid, and Defiant classes all get 1 shot by it while it's cloaked unless the Defiant class has the same armor as the original Defiant then maybe not but they certainly don't last long.

@giovannirodriguesdasilva646

4 ай бұрын

The Enterprise was already damaged, not to mention that Shinzon knew the Romulans and their ships very well, he had no experience with Starfleet

well, the scimitar had 2 sets of shields! besides being able to fire while cloak.

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

The ultimate fighting machine! 🖖

Do they have a Scimitar modeled after how the movie version was Firing from cloak a secondary shield array for when cloaked?

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

There is a version in Kobayashimaru that can fire whilst cloak. However it doesn't have shields, so if you triangulate its position it's easy to destroy. It's very weak as well.

Sun tzu is always the answer Tho he may be romulan

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

That's a thought.... 🤔

The scimitar should be able to fire while cloaked then it would be a better fight like the movie

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I like the firepower of the Scimitar but not the design. Looks like a pulled scab.

Worf before the battle: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doGWt9ttc82wirQ.htmlsi=wMwVBOZBUH9njQ5_

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣

No I don’t think they would win they need to be able to cloak

Nah, Scimitar would have won. It cut that Romulan ship in half with just a few shots to the squishy bits, not the 80 shots it takes to knock out a ship in BC. The only thing that could have turned that battle is the GRAND NAGUS!!!

@RetroBadgerGaming

4 ай бұрын

Ooooh, the Grand Nagus, VS the New Scimitar. Hmmmzzz

@hunter7

4 ай бұрын

@@RetroBadgerGaming If they both have a face to face fight I’ll give it to the Grand Nagus. If the Scimitar spreads the damage around then the Grand Nagus won’t have much of a chance since all of its firepower is forward facing. It just can’t spread the damage equally like the Scimitar can. Would still love to see it though!

how many ships does starfleet have?