It is nice to see you out there experimenting with different paddles. It is very informative too. Good job on the video. If you try canted blade strokes with your Greenland paddle, however, you can accelerate your speed without putting too much strain on your shoulders. Basically, when your blade dips into the water, it slices into it angled. When it comes to Greenland forward strokes, there is also a so-called power zone which is from the front tip of your cockpit to all the way to the end. Rather than reaching far forward to generate powerful strokes like Euro-paddle styles, you dip your blade into the water almost next to your cockpit, pull it all the way as far as you can, and exit it out of the water.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi! I’m still experimenting with the GP so these are good tips. I’ve known about the power zone but still need to adjust. Btw, really enjoy your videos!

Your results are quite credible. As someone who spent about equal time with greenland, euro and wing paddles, this is the kind of difference I would expect. Not too slow, but less efficient in high power application owing to mechanics of the different surface distribution over the length of the paddle.

@Fishaholicboy

3 ай бұрын

Thank for your comments! This test was when I just got into GP and watching this video again, my GP paddling technique was pretty awful!

I also use the same Gear Lab. Your bow sweep and your body rotation do more correspond to the Euro blade than to greenland paddle style. Especially the last third is very necessary for the effectiveness of the greenland paddle.

@Fishaholicboy

4 ай бұрын

Agreed! It took a while for me to get used to it and adjust. When I look at this video, I also cringe! But it was a great learning experience

Enjoyed the videos a lot. You have a magnificent place to paddle. Old, bent and devil spent marathon kayak racer here. Haven’t used a euro for years, however, I’m about a minute and half faster per mile with a wing than a Greenland Paddle. Keep paddling/sharing!

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dwan! Oh I tried the wing paddle a few times and boy is it different.. the technique is so different and I can definitely see it being faster than the GP!

It’s funny where tech is taking us in the seventies and early eighties I paddled most of the inner Hebrides using a £10 paddle made by a great canoeist from Yorkshire called Lofty Wright. Well after looking at carbon fibre and other very expensive offerings I honestly don’t know how we did it, or is high tech stuff just a come on to buy expensive gear I’m sure the two boys who paddled around most of Scotlands west coat in the thirties did it with just our kind of paddles. Well my old vcp anas acuta and Lofties paddle did just fine.

@petercairns8030

2 ай бұрын

I too have one of Lofty's paddles! He made it for me in about 1986, can't remember what it cost though.lol. It is a beautiful laminated marine ply (Ash and Oak) with a Douglas Fir shaft rescued from a gym climbing frame. Bit weighty though at nearly 1.5 kg. Got me round just about all of the Inner Hebrides and more before I moved on to a Lendal Corryvreckan. Still have his paddle and a pair of Lendal Seamasters splits. Both based, I think, on a Derek Hutchison design? Getting back into kayaking after a 10 year hiatus, (just retired) so thinking of a Greenland/Aleut paddle for the creaking joints now. And, talking of hi tech gear my first summer sea kayaking (1981) did Raasay, followed by Coll and Tiree in a cag which was my motorbike oversuit with the legs cut off! Times have changed. p.s. The kayak then was a Lindisfarne Voyager which even the Nordkapp lads thought was tippy!

I recently purchased a 230 cm Gearlab Kalleq and am really enjoying it, my other paddles are a 220 cm Werner Camano and a 215 cm Werner Shuna. I love my Kalleq and it’s my primary paddle now. I find I can get the same power from the Kalleq as the Camano with a little less effort. Thanks for your videos, they are all very interesting.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate the feedback! I am thinking about getting a 230cm paddle too :) I definitely can keep up with my friends who use euro blades and I also find I’m not as tired at the end of the day!

Very interesting, and I'm sure you'll reduce the time difference between the 2 paddles soon. I've done that experience a few years ago (with euro, greenland and wing paddles) and I measured my heart beat for each, and greenland was very close to euro with a slightly lower heart beat.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow.. maybe I’ll get quicker with the Greenland paddle later when I get more adjusted

Thx for the performing the test, much appreciated

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Although I feel that if I had a shorter Euro (and high angle) it would go faster for sure. And also, now that I've used the GP for a while, I think I can go faster as well. I'll test it out again later to see if there's any difference :)

Great job, great video.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill! Was fun to make

I just bought the same greenland paddle as you bro! Based on your other reviews of the two Gearlab ones, I got the Akiak! It will be my emergency paddling while out on Lake Superior here in Canada, I'm looking forward to using it on my treks as well. Thank you for your vids!

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Oh great!! I’m so sure you’ll love it! The Akiak became my primary paddle and my euro was my secondary. But I suppose it depends on the conditions too! Hope you have fun with the Akiak :)

Thank you for a useful comparison! I think that's the conundrum as you mention - speed will be higher with the euro vs the greenland paddle, just as a wing paddle vs the euro, but then again, for a really long paddle, the endurance factor becomes interesting... somewhat depends on the individual kayaker, gear and trip parameters I guess. I'm also curious to experiment more with this.

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

I was expecting the results based on what I’ve experienced and from what I’ve been told. At that time, I was still quite new with the Greenland paddle so I don’t think my technique was the most efficient. I believe if I did the test now, it would be faster. That’s something I will probably try soon :)

I have tested my Kalleq against wing paddle many times over longer distances. Every time and different boats the GP is about 10% slower. Having said that, I much prefer a GP, especially in a skeg boat. If I could choose only one paddle it would be my Kalleq. I have five GPs 😂

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Wow you have quite a few GP’s! I love using them so much, it’s my primary paddle now and rarely use the euro. The Kalleq is a beautiful paddle but I’m waiting for the IPIK :) did you order yours?

@matthewcondon3286

Жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy not yet. I like power paddles so will wait for a long version 😎

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewcondon3286 funny you say that, I am looking to get a 230cm instead of the 220cm!

Yeah…try doing this comparison on a 5 hr trip. ;)

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Don’t think I would last 😂

FYI your hands should be significantly closer together on the greenland paddle. I'm 5'11" and use the same paddle, I'm pretty sure my hands are at least mostly on the black part when I paddle. I found this change happened semi-naturally for me as I used it more and it increased my leverage. I'm pretty sure hand position matters more on the greenland than the euroblade as the more you choke up the less of the blade face there is for paddling, though tbh this is more based on feel than any physics analysis. In rough conditions I'll choke up more. Also when I'm trying to sprint ironically since it feels better with the higher paddle angle, but that might be a habit I should break. My experience so far is that the greenland just doesn't want ya to sprint! Which is actually kinda good for me lol so I've been sticking with it.

Good test but you mph conversion was wrong on the Greenland paddle it is less than 5.13mph

@Fishaholicboy

2 ай бұрын

You are so right! It was a mistake I didn't realise until afterwards.

one thing to consider is that Greenland kayaks are also mush slimmer which means you don't have to extend out so much.

@Fishaholicboy

10 ай бұрын

Very true! I will try it on my Nautiraid Nook soon!

220cm-es greenland lapát egy vicc, pont az a lényege, hogy hosszú legyen. Nekem a túralapátom 220cm, a greenlandi 240cm minimum. A keskeny tollelületet a hosszal kell pótolni, ezért nem lehet olyan hosszú mint egy túra lapát. Gyakorlatban meg az egyik feladata, hogy le lehessen nyúlni a hullám völgyekbe , viharos tengeren is lehessen könnyedén evezni vele. A videon is látszik, hogy mennyire rövid, pont rra nem jó, amire az szkimók használták. Meg kell nézni a Nanuk az eszkimo című filmet. Hát legalább 240-260 cm-es a lapátja. Ez a gearlab csak fogpiszkáló:)))

The Greenland is similar to an Okinawan paddle which confused me the first time I saw one. I thought maybe it was used in the Sabani and Haari (a kind of dragon boat) as an equalizer so that everyone, including skinny rowers, had a chance. Needless to say the race I was in had us paddling crazy fast since the narrow blade moves through the water easily. In other competitions they use the Euro style paddle or one closer in shape to the ones used in Hawaii. The Okinawan paddle is more uniform in width and some even get narrower towards the tip. I tried to insert mine forwards into the sea at the side of the boat as far as I could. These paddles are not double-ended and are used on one side of a boat unless you have the last (stern) seat which being narrower allows for switching a paddle to eithet side as needed or to steer. The Sabani also has a sail which can help in open water. They have an annual race similar to the Moloka'i Hoe.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi.. Thanks for sharing this information. I'm fascinated by the different types of paddles out there and how unique they are. I really started becoming using the Greenland Paddle because of the history and the significance to kayaking. It's like going going back to the past and feeling how paddlers paddled back then. With the paddles you mentioned, I will definitely take a look at them :)

Nice. I have some observations and suggestions that may lead to different results. Your stroke with the GP could be improved, I believe this would give superior results to the Euroblade. 1. The catch could be cleaner and the blade could be better angled (Canted) 2. The stroke, close to the boat with your hands extended into the water. This gives an extend power phase due to opposing forces (kayak hull and blade) Hull Resists the forces of the blade pulling down. The two forces working against each other cause forward propellant. Imagine two flat surfaces with a hinge at one end in the water, when you push the =two together the water accelerates out. 3. Rotation. More torso rotation will make it easier to extend the hand into the water and give more power with less effort. I think you will find the GP ends up being faster than the EB. Give it a try, I look forward to your results.

@Fishaholicboy

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tips! I think I made this video too early into my transition to the GP. I rewatched this video a few times and I saw the exact same issues you mentioned. I used the GP like a euro blade in this video. I’m loving how versatile the GP is and I keep learning!

That's a funky euro paddle... Very nice. It's interesting to see your forward paddling style is improving too... Great to watch the progression... You seem to watch the paddle a lot though 😜

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

OH MY GOD.. the head movement when I paddle is something that irritates me 😂😅 I need to stop it but I naturally bob my head around like a bobbing head. I have to make a conscious effort to stop it haha.

@wavesoffun

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy ha ha! Yes, just concentrating on looking at where you want to go helps the paddling style to be less self-conscious. Good posture Push with the top arm Push with the feet Core rotation

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavesoffun I’ve been trying to look at the tip of the bow.. but that gets boring real quick! Thanks for the tip!

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Awesome video as usual! I get a lot of questions from readers and viewers when they see my Kalleq. I will be pointing them toward this video in the future for a great explanation!

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Great.. thanks! I would really love to give the Kalleq a go

@TenDigitGrid

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy if you ever come out to San Diego we can have a Pakayak meet up and you can try the kalleq!

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@TenDigitGrid that would be a dream.. Never say never right? Hopefully sooner than later!

I just find the specification of the Euro Blade you used. It's 230cm long, that may be the reason that you feel so hard while using it.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kit, Yes it could be a reason, maybe a shorter one would be better with my Pakayak. I do have a 220cm one and should give that a go

I can’t wait to heal from my bike wreck and paddle in January if the sun is out and temp is 60.

You seem to be working the arms pretty hard, particularly your right one. More torso rotation would definitely help you. Sorry to sound negative.

@leoburns9674

4 ай бұрын

EM… do you have a video or schematic reference on the Greenland stroke I can go to school on? 😊

I made a 250 cm wooden Aleut paddle with a wider blade that gives me a good bit more speed than my Gearlab GP. I like my Gearlab GP (second one I've bought), but the Aleut paddle tends to beat it in high angle, low angle and top speed. The ridge on an Aleut paddle also auto-indexes the blade to the water, so you don't need to focus on canting the blade.

@wayfinderali

Жыл бұрын

Did you follow some instructions online for building an Aleut paddle? I’m about to build a Greenland paddle and would love a higher acceleration and top speed while keeping the benefits I love of a typical Greenland paddle.

@wisenber

Жыл бұрын

@@wayfinderali The sarcastic answer would be start off with a typical Greenland paddle blank, then remove everything that isn't an Aleut blade. I never found an Aleut paddle specific set of instructions. However, the same methods as a Greenland paddle build applies. I used GP methods and found some images (Tuktu paddles and estpolepaddles have good ones) to base mine on. I would err on the side of simplicity for your first one, as even with a few mistakes, you still end up with a usable paddle. The simple way is one face of your paddle is a Greenland paddle, and the other has a ridge/spine on it. The ridge/spine is made by just shaping that side to have one. The more complicated ones have a spine on one face and the other is concave. I found that method to add more time and effort without much noticeable gain. In short, find your favorite Greenland paddle instruction method, then just make the slight modification leaving material on one face to produce a spine. If you ever intend to make it into a two piece paddle, make sure the middle of the loom is shaped to hold a carbon fiber ferule. Hope that helps....

Are there certain conditions where you would prefer to use one paddle over the other? Oh and by the way, now that borders are open i might come back to HK for a little bit in June!

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely can use one over the other for different types of kayak. For example, for white water, I wouldn't use a greenland paddle as the Euroblade is more reactive for faster turns, etc. Great you're coming! We can kayak together if you have time. How long are you planning stay? Are you coming alone or with your partner together?

@PongLangYan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy Don't have all the details planned out yet.. Not even sure if my wife can come with me or not. But i'm like.. 75% certain I'm coming regardless haha. Would love to do some Kayaking together, will make time for it!

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@PongLangYan1 cool! Let me know when you have things sorted. Definitely can go kayaking!

Do a comparison between carbon and wood Greenlands. Wood will win hands down based on my casual experiments. Tradition can beat "tech". Also the cadence with Greenlands feels way faster than a Euro blade.

@Fishaholicboy

4 ай бұрын

I would love to own a wood GP!! When I do, I’ll do another comparison

Here is a 8 MONTH REVIEW of the PAKAYAK which was used in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6yWucenkbfbnMY.html

Good video. I am contemplating the Greenland paddle too, but has been advised to try it before buying. No such option here, so I will cut one myself in the near future. Less than 30 dollars, should be fun. I am not about speed when I paddle, I am all about enjoying the view and the trip, so I am pretty sure I will love the Greenland paddle.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re going to make one, I saw this before with instructions on how to make one: www.thewoodshop.20m.com/graphics/kayak/greenland_03.pdf I hope it helps! The GP is my go to paddle now.. I really like the feel of it with each stroke. I’m sure you’ll like it too!

@Joeyapwaichong

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy Carving the paddle is not too difficult, but choosing suitable timber is crucial to start with.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joeyapwaichong yeah it actually looks pretty easy.. I just need the tools 😂

@keithmoriyama5421

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Why do you want a greenland?

@BackonTrailasia

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithmoriyama5421 Good question, when the sun sets I really do not know yet, until I tried it. But after watching many reviews, and gone passed the hype and populistic mumbo jumbo, then I am quite sure it is a good fit for my type of paddling. Kayaking has never been about speed for me, always been about enjoying the nature, and such up every moment. All the sounds and sometimes lack of it. Adding I am 52 and not getting younger, te Greenland paddle just sounds like a good choice. Less strain on your body, more silent paddling, slower (but not slow), than Euro blade, and then there is the fun making it. I do not buy the hype, that it is a paddle developed over hundreds of years, and as such a wonder of the world. Greenland do not have timber to chose from, they got to make do with what they had, mostly driftwood, and obviously big blades are not an option. So IMHO they did well, but only according to their resources. That said, it seems easier to roll with, and that was a crucial skill for them.

Well done and very interesting... I don't think we have a lake big enough for you, where I'm at✌

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Ha.. I like exploring rivers and creeks too!

Nice

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Calvin!

get the rest of the gp blade into the water.. you still have up to you hand of the blade out of the water.. lower paddle angle and less blade in equals less power but will result in a nice soft cruising. higher angle and more blade in the water more water being moved and a faster trip.. I love my paddle had it a yr now and love experimenting with different depths and angles.. I have done about 300 miles maybe more...

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! It was quite a few months since I made that video and I've re-looked at it again many times thinking I didn't get the proper technique for maximum efficiency and power. I am thinking of doing this test again to see if the speed has changed with my current paddling strokes.

you are using a euro stroke with a greenland paddle. you need to get more of the blade into the water and you will unlock much more power from each stroke

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Hi Ian.. definitely agree! I believe when I did this video, I will still very early in my transition to a GP. I definitely paddle differently with it now.. and I am loving it!

You seem to be right handed. Working the right stroke harder than the left. I’v done the same test. With the Epic Wing 1/2 mph faster than my custom fit Greenland paddle. I won’t embarrass myself by posting my speed. Just congrats on your top speed.

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

you noticed! I was wondering when someone would call me out on that.. haha. I have been working on balancing my stroke so hopefully it's improved. If you're GP speed is similar to a winged blade, it must mean you have really great technique while using the GP!

@davehaggerty3405

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy mine was a touring stroke. Straight ahead and sustainable. So my paddle was close to vertical and right along side the kayak. As long as I could make it, still keeping the paddle upright. My GP was laminated so I could shave it thin without it flexing. I got it within a couple ounces of my Epic Wing paddle. I would always revert to the GP when I felt a little twinge in my shoulder. The GP would cavitate making a hole in the water before letting me strain myself. I could paddle by ear. When I heard the gurgling slurp with each stroke I would see a hole behind the paddle. Letting me know I was wasting effort. Your pace builds slowly with a GP. Not for sprints. My paddle stroke always did favor my right. I’m right handed. By the time I built up the left arm, the right was that much stronger too!

Love your KZread name ❤

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thank you. I was starting as a fishing channel but changed :)

Hello, could you give the surface of the euro blade and the Greenland blade ?

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Hi.. sorry what do you mean surface? Do you mean the brand?

@JC77120

Жыл бұрын

How much square centimeter each blade does? Sorry, I am french and I am not so fluent with technical vocabulary 😉. But I will try to find it as well, don t bother if you have no time to find it.

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

@@JC77120 ah I see! I just had a look at the websites for both paddles and they didn’t have the surface area on their sites 😅

Wow~~!! ^^b

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

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@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi.. I used google translate 😅 thank you!

Better technique would make the greenland more equivalent. Greenland 4life

@Fishaholicboy

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely need to improve my GP technique so that it becomes an extension of me.

@takedownyou

2 жыл бұрын

It took me a solid year ( season) to even think about calling myself proficient. Love the comparison video and hope to see you on the water!!!!

@tommyrq180

6 ай бұрын

Better Euro technique would also make the Euro more efficient. And ultimately, it will be faster if all things were equal (which they never are!).

For only 7 minutes, I can do 9,5 kmh in my sea kayak with a greenland paddle… 8,9 kmh aversge for 7km at sea.

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow.. that's really fast! I think my technique definitely needs improvement with the GP and I think it has since I made this video. It could be fun to see if there's any difference in speed after a few months of using the GP!

This is not a good test. Your knowledge of the paddle stroke is extremely that of beginner. Sadly I don’t mean this as a criticism it’s just a fact the surface area of the two paddles is vastly different and the efficiency of the blade in the water is also different, you get tired with a euro paddle because you’re paddling much harder not because the paddle is harder to use the main reason for the difference is the fact that you don’t use your torso, your legs or your shoulders and you begin the stroke too early and end up too late wasting energygood luck. Thank you for the video.

@Fishaholicboy

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you! This video is quite old so I hope I am better now :)

Your speed conversion is likely wrong. 7.5 kph = 4.66 mph. So your greenland paddle test is much slower (12% reduction).

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Ahh thanks for noting this! My bad. Mathematics isn’t my forte 😅😘

There’s no way that the km/hr to mi/hr conversions are accurate. But anyway, I’m just starting to get into kayaking and love your videos.

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

Really happy you’re enjoying the videos.. I’m also relatively new to kayaking so I’m still learning lots. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it more as you progress!

With my lightweight euro blade I can paddle up to 12mph, with my greenland I can do 14mph. My favorite story was using the greenland and coming up behind a 10 hp john boat and bumping into it to get it to move off the trail I was on. I bumped it and easily kept up with it everytime the guy turned around I was there. The Greenland does not have a fast stop nor take off like the Euro, but for me over a distance I have a faster pace and less arm/shoulder strain.

@Dfl87165

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry, but you must be mixing up mph and km/h. I can say few things with more conviction without knowing you in person than you’re not paddling 12 mph w Euro, let alone 14 mph with a Greenland paddle. I’m a dedicated surfskier and use a wing blade. You are definitely not doing 12 mph, not even if your name is Greg Barton and you just went back to 1990 with a time machine😂😂😂. Sorry dude, but had to call it out. Now, if you mean while surfing down a 15 footer, sure, but Euro vs GL wouldn’t make a difference.

Hi, before you compare Euro blade with greenland Paddle you should learn the correct greenland paddle technic. Best greating 👋😉

@Fishaholicboy

Жыл бұрын

So true! I should’ve done this video after I gotten used to the GP with the right technique. I was still very new to the GP in this video. Maybe another video later to compare 😉

useless test! you don't know how ro paddle to begih with :) its not a about hands & shoulders but for core paddling useing ones body fromn waste up. not to mention lkegs also work as counter support

@Fishaholicboy

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and tips! I’m still learning and I made this video for fun.. so please just enjoy it as entertainment.

@GOBEF3

2 ай бұрын

@@Fishaholicboy understood. i regret offending you :( no har, as long as you enjoy ...

@Fishaholicboy

2 ай бұрын

@@GOBEF3 no worries at all.. no offense taken! Always good to get feedback too. Hope you enjoy my other videos 😉