An important clue how seating position can affect performance is indeed Jorge Lorenzo. During the first couple of races of this year, he was complaining about fatigue in his arms. This meant, that he often lost places as the race progressed and especially in the latter half of the race. Then they started mucking around with the shape of the tank and his seating position. Suddenly he started winning races.

This video was spot on for me! I wasn't really getting fatigued because I'm relatively fit, but my knees were aching like crazy. When you said leaning off too much and too far from the seat I immediately knew that was my issue. Thanks for the great video! Wish I could go out and test this on the track now haha

@adamksiazek9742

5 жыл бұрын

Same here! Need to try to get closer to the tank. Great vid.

@DanielBrain

5 жыл бұрын

+1, will try moving around a bit. I was thinking my bikes default peg set up (no adjustable pegs) was putting my knees in an awkward position causing the pain, but entirely likely it's my body position. I tend to put pressure on the inside peg a bit, did not know that was something to avoid.

@blubaru73

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Always have to straighten my legs after twisty runs due to aching knees. Cant wait to try to focus on butt position more. Great vid.

@rubenassandri9389

5 жыл бұрын

+1 I put so much weight on the internal peg that my feet get locked in....

This is spot on what I needed! Thanks a lot!

Great tips Dan. Thanks!

This is great.. the exact issue I had recently on track thanks for covering this!

As always, very good advice. Keep it up!

Thanks Dan, clarifying something that has bugged me for months. Appreciate the informative vid!

Thanks! I love all your video. I learned a lot and test it all during my trackday.

Another great vid, as a starting trackday rider I watched them all. And already used some tips to my advantage.

Probably my issue as well! When I switched bikes on the track, the seating and body position were vastly different and trying to hang off the same way I did on the first bike just caused massive knee fatigue on the second bike. Thanks!

Outstanding video! Well done!

I used to practice on race tracks, and watch a lot of amateur, club races. I noticed that the problem with the most amateur riders is, hanging off the bike to much. One of the best ways to chek your hanging style is on a race track, where you have a sharp S . If you can't get the motorcycle from one side to another in about 1 to 1 and a half seconds, you are not in control of the bike, hanging off the bike to much.

Many thanks for all your great videos. Really helpful! Best wishes

Good advice as always. Love these vids👌👌👌👍

really helpful video, congrats!

This is the first time I have ever seen the subject addressed by anyone and the presentation was excellent. In particular, I found the explanation surrounding seat fore and aft positioning vis a vis outside leg connection made absolute sense. Overall, very insightful and remedies provided.

Brilliant video! Really helpful 👍🏼

This video just helped me realize what I may be doing wrong that is resulting in serious knee pain. I have bad knees as it is and figured the pain i am feeling was just part of riding aggressive. I think im moving too far back on the seat and hanging off too far not using the inside of my leg to support myself enough. Im hooked on these videos so glad i found them.

This was very helpful! 1/2 of my track journal entries over a two day, hot track weekend commented on fatigue and muscle soreness.

I'm 58 and still racing. This is good info.

Thanks for another helpful video

Awesome channel. Extremely well done and great technical riding content. Just subscribed.

Thanks! I have to try that. Also important is to have tank grips.

Excellent video! Rhs leg fatigue is an issue for me, too. One key point you left out is the feet position on the peg while being in lean position. If you stay on it like on a straight the stress is increased. If you lean your feet towards the inside of the corner also the stress level will decrease. In general it is important to start a track day right from the beginning avoiding inappropriate stress otherwise it will get worse. Work and focus on your outer leg for more support and your inner foot position on the peg. That was my solution!

I can understand what you said and it makes sense. I appreciate it when you said, "there you go... now do what works for you." Not exactly of course, but I will soon find my sweet spot!

I wish I found your channel before my first track day!

I'm so lucky I found this video, those fatigue is killing me.

This is a big help.

Very useful, thank you.

Great videos bro. One thing I've struggled with recently is shoulder and neck fatigue. I've figured out that the main source is that I fail to make quick enough transitions across the seat, and end up sitting right on the center. This causes me to crane my neck to far up to see through the corner. This, combined with general instability from poor seat position makes long stints impossible. Truly, you cannot underestimate the importance of lower body stability.

Tired legs has been my issue. I have been wise enough to get off the track when they're exhausted. Mostly it's from moving from one side to the other while accelerating, the G force adds a lot of weight.

Great video, took a technique course a few weeks ago and I suffered from exactly this. Took me almost 2h to figure out how to rely on my left leg hooked onto the tank to get more 50-50 weight distribution. However I now have to figure out how to go into the corner more elegantly, as it was obv super easy when having weight on the inner peg.

good to know that, I have this issue indeed...Last week my legs felt like when I go out of gym

My inner leg will shake after 5 laps, i know i need to hang my butt off more. I subbed btw , been watchin for a while, finally subbed. Keep it up!

Great video, yes at the end of a track day, the top of my legs is very sore yet I don't hang right off the bike all that much .

Great video.

This is one reason why I like a lot the tank of my Aprilia Tuono (RSV) because of its design there is consistent support for me in different lengths of seating position! Saves me a lot of energy waste on track days.

Your videos are great, congratulations ! There is something about this I thing could complete the legs fatigue issue that I noted riding my first track days, that is the the feet and ankle rotation/position during the corners and transitions. Would be nice if you did a video about it. Greetings from Brazil !

This was a very good video, I just shared it with the group I ride with, ( there are a few new riders looking to go track next season ) Its been a journey for me to find the right position, but I was able to find what works best, I go half cheek to 3/4 and rotate my foot about 45 degrees. and I have been able to go long periods of time without issue. it just takes time to figure out what works for you ( as you said ) and also its important to take the time to really work at it, not just throw an idea out and give it a shot.

Can't believe I wasn't subscribed - I was sure I was. Anyway, I am now. This very closely described my track day 2 days ago. My quads were burning and my knees aching inside of 3 or 4 laps. Now 2 days later I am as sore as I can ever remember. I think a large part of it was that the bike is brand new to me, and the foot pegs on the bike were set to a very aggressive position (which I am not used to) and I could not get firmly planted onto the bike. As a result I was overworked and under-confident. I was constantly being passed by riders I was sure I was faster than and I was never able to lean over as far as I have previously. Here's to hoping I can get the bike properly set up for myself and implement some of what you've suggested here for my next track day.

Thank you 👌

Man.. seems that you have read my mind!.. Going to the track tomorow.. I am having this problems

Very good. I've been instructed by a former MotoGP rider to hang off ridiculously. But that advice was perhaps good for him, not much for me. However, I still tend to be quite far off, and over the time I've grown accustomed to it (more on the right than on the left, for some reason). One thing I think would be worth mentioning is that the position of the footpeg is also playing a role here. Depending on your height and position, you might want to adjust it. Using other's people bikes I find that a race-prepared bike has far too high and rear pegs to stay relaxed and connected for a less trained and fit rider as I am. So be careful switching to a rearset, an adjustable one is advisable, to find the correct position.

My knees used to hurt after riding. I've had multiple knee injuries over the years from racing dirt bikes. I tried your advice on the street and it worked. I moved less further away from the tank and didnt slide my bottom over as much as usual. Thanks

@LifeatLean

5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic!

Look at how much Alex Rins hangs his lower body of the bike! Good video

Im pretty sure im too far back and support on outer leg is hurting from it. Class a video 👌

Last trackday i realized i probably set my pegs too high and too far back. I have gone back to a more "relaxed" position as i believe the previous one overstressed my knees by creating an angle on my legs that was too extreme. At times i had trouble repositioning my foot on the peg correctly due to me trying to "find" the peg. Guess the next outing on my bike will shed some light on that.

thanks for the technique. but i have a crash before see your video. now i know my miistake and hope can get better after this. thanks a lot im very understanding now.

Well said . I also think unless you're pretty consistent with track day's you'll struggle. It's like I'm a sub 20 minute 5 K runner , can bench press over 100, kg but being gym fit doesn't mean your track fit diffirent muscles are activated there and different forces g force ect If I have a bit of time between track days even though I Go to the gym regularly i still struggle.

I haven't ridden in a few years and I'm definitely having leg and knee issues with my recently acquired bike. Last time I actively rode I was generally fine even post knee surgery. I might have arthritis in one knee too. It may be a number of reasons, such as being off the bike for those years, going from different ergonomics (gsxr to zx6r), rider error (what was pointed out in this video), etc, or combination of. It sucks, and I hope I can figure this out or at least minimize the symptoms.

I kinda discovered this on my own last year... The more I use the outside leg to grip the bike, the better it feels...

The main inputs that help Marc Marquez achieve his ideal body position, in that he leans forward, angles his butt towards the corner with the pressure on the outside cheek, and his hips are rolled upwards to cup the tank rather than use the outside leg to hold his weight. It's a simple positioning to Flat-Track racers. The only issue I see to this style is less control during corner entry, & greater front tire wear because of the weight distribution or more control input at lean. #LifeAtLean #DUCATIBOI

Handle bar position is also critical.

I had this bad for my first three trackdays, to the point where I had to stop my last session at phillip island early because it hurt too much to move around the bike safely. Ended up veing a pants issue, the upper leg in them was too short which pushed the knee pad into my knee hard and caused them to sit low on my hips, preventing my legs from opening fully (I'm sure theres a joke there). Got about 3 inches added to the upper leg and hey presto, no more pain.

Thanks, awesome video! Exactly the problem I encounter sometimes, and now I'm sure about the reason. I sometimes sit to far back. Why do you wanted to sit further away from the tank? Asking because I use to think the same way.

White speed triple. I have the same one.

When i moved from the cbr600rr to a ducati 1098s i felt a big relief just because the legs dont open so much (because of the v2 engine)

I prefer a seat that is less grippy, so I can slide from side to side. Not slick mind you, but I try to avoid doing a full butt-lift for every weight transfer. Leather on leather is pretty good.

Awesome my knees kill me after a 4 hour session usually.50 60 laps on a tight 2.2 course. It usualy hits me in the last 25 minute session. Im 6 2 tall any relif from peg osition or other changes. P.s. Im 60 and my knees get sore anyway i was a triathlete for 20 years. Have seen thus addressed before great video.I will try your tips and mess with releif in the ill leg position Never

I often get the opposite of this and cramp up my outer hip flexor by the 5th session of the day leading to me having to cut sessions short.

That’s a really great video. I’ve been looking for it a long long time!! Thanks PS: do you have any video teaching or giving tips about how to physically train (workout) to get the best of trackdays? I mean, I’m looking for an alternative sport to help me grow up in motorbike tracks

@yyxx4174

2 жыл бұрын

i asked him this too already. didn’t get a reply tho.. too bad

@DylanGSXR

2 жыл бұрын

cycling can help . great for fittness plus you are in a riding postion. keep flexable, so after a spin on push bike do 10 mins of stretching to help flexabilty . you could go to a gym and do say 30mins on a stationary bike and do some light weights after for your legs [squats ] and upper body ,high reps or volume training .

If these recommendations don't work, probably what is holding you down the lack of muscle. Therefore would recomend hitting the gym, by own experience.

The tanks on the motogp bikes are also extended creating more contact. Those bikes aren’t even close to being the same machine as what you can buy.

My quads are sore after from hovering over the saddle to slide. I also get sore groin from trying to stretch the knee out. It would help if I was younger, fitter and did yoga but as I dont I need to reign back a bit as you suggested.

Tq tq tq.:)

My legs hurt where it joins the hip. (Sacroiliac joint) also i got cramp on my calf muscles during my last track day which drained me out. The track was yas marina north circuit.

Its almost like the new style is to wrap around the tank n keep knee close to tank

Hello. Thank you so much for all these great videos. I have a question. I started to scratch the titanium plate ABOVE my knee slider. Why would this happen? I’m not sure if I should tweak my body position.

True in regards to Lorenzo vs. Marquez however the Ducati allows Lorenzo (and Dovi) to be more conservative through the corners as they can make up time elsewhere. If Marquez rode the Honda the same way "Mr. Conservative" rides the Ducati he wouldn't be competing at the level he is now. It'll be interesting to see how Lorenzo does on the Honda as it's understood the Honda is the most difficult bike to ride. Will the bike change to suit Lorenzo or will Mantiquillo y Mortillo change his style. Time will tell.

It all depends on your body size too how tall or short you are im 6ft so my arms and legs have alot of leverage vs a shorter rider but the down fall is getting all tucked in down the straight

I hold onto the bike like I’m hanging off a cliff. I am 6’3 though. So I find most modern bikes too small. It means by the end of a season my arms are aching and sometimes my hands go numb. I’ll try to pay much closer attention to my body position and see if I can change it up.

MISTER Marc Marquez... I love it!

supermoto - i squeeze tank /engine with knees / feet + keep both feet on pegs - made me 30% faster

In the previous years of riding, I used to scrape my knee sliders all the time. Then I had a lowside, and haven't been able to touch down since. It made me (rightfully) doubt my whole riding style, including seating position. I find myself straining the inside leg a bit. I ride a ducati 848 evo. Even with tank grips, the tank is awkwardly shaped for my outside leg. I'm going to experiment with seating position to see if that helps. Thanx for as always, a great and informative video!

Hello there, I have a problem with my body position. I struggle with moving from my ZX10R 2007 seat. Should I raise my reaset to get better clearance? Will that put too much pressure on my 🦵?

I get cramps in the inner thigh/ groin area, i cant figure out how to fix it either

What about lower back fatigue?

Podrían poner subtitulos en español, saludos.

How about dual purpose they have a loop in the saddle that you always find yourself in the loop no matter how far back in the seat you trying to be?

@JeremyUSA

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh! somebody has the same problem! That F-n loop!!! It just wants to drag my ass back into it like the death star gravity field.

It is all about fitness really. If you don’t regularly exercise your legs, any decent hang off will kill your legs.

only fatigue issue i often run into on track is in my right wrist, can't figure out what i'm doing wrong but near the end of trackdays i'll have trouble rolling on the throttle, no issues during braking, squeezing and such, is the wrist motion of rolling on that get's really painful. maybe i'm grabbing the throttle wrong? maybe i't be better if i had a quick throttle, so less movement is needed... did you make a vid on something like that?

@JeremyUSA

4 жыл бұрын

When you exit the corner and getting back on the throttle, are you holding the throttle like you would a screwdriver? If not, then that's why you're hurting. It's an awkward thing at first but practice in a parking lot with just a very steep upper body position. Switch the throttle hand position and get used to it.

This is me, achy knees, Ive been thinking it might be my leathers are too small for me also, but am I just kidding myself and this is the real issue?

5:00 He IS a race bike ON a race bike. Most of us are toyota camrys on a street bike thinking we can be like him. LOL yea right. That said its worth a try.

Now I just need to show this video to that track day coach that started yelling at me for not dragging knee and doing a marc impression in C group. Once I did force myself to do marc impression I was using much more energy, far less stable through the corners, and my racing lines and entry speeds suffered substantially. Using the method I was comfortable with, I was usually about third fastest in C group on a ninja 400. Using the marc method I dropped to mid-field. A lot of these posers that hang off their bike can't hit the race line or brake worth a shit. Then they tell me I need to drag my knee and weight the INSIDE peg, and if I don't then I'm being unsafe and likely to crash. SMH Seriously, they said weight the inside peg. Think about the torque moment that is doing to the bike when your leaned over. You know what, I don't care. As long as I'm fast and know where my limits are thats all that matters. Rant over.

I still think lorenzo is a better rider than marquez but im still a marquez fan. But how i wish marquez would try other bikes other than honda

This was pointed out to me at a California Superbike school booth where they had a hydraulic bike simulator, that I was putting too much weight on the inside leg, and not mentioned here, is that this will also "push the bike more for a possible low side!" and about MM's position, he still has one whole butt cheek on the seat! what the GP riders are doing these days is hanging off more their "upper body", no so mch their butts, humble opinion! great video!

@lennardspit

5 жыл бұрын

So what advice did they give on how to put less weight on the inside peg?

@karpuzsever

5 жыл бұрын

just put more weight on the outside peg.

@adamutuber

5 жыл бұрын

@@lennardspit Release 90% of that inside pressure on your leg and you will automatically transfer that to the outside leg/thigh. Then your outside leg is "hanging" over the seat. Think hanging upside down with your legs hooked over monkey bars, but with 1 leg and hanging more on the inside of your thigh than the back of it.

@lennardspit

5 жыл бұрын

@@adamutuber or it will transfer through my arms and hands, tightening my grip on the bars. I guess it's also bike ergonomics, I suppose being tall and heavy doesn't help a lot. All prof riders are tiny featherweight athletes for a reason.

@davidnicholson8629

5 жыл бұрын

I found the same... I knew I was putting too much weight on the inside peg, but put it down to me not being able to get a good lock onto the tank with the outside leg (even with stompgrips). At CSS they encouraged me to only have half a cheek off that way more weight is supported by the seat and less weight is pushing down on the inside leg. They also suggested moving further back on the seat (I have long femurs, so makes sense) so the angle of my knee is not as tight. This made a big difference, but what also helped a massive amount was dropping the peg height. This decreased the knee angle even more and also makes it feel a little more like you're straddling the bike instead of sitting on top of it. Now the inside leg is free to float, whereas before it felt like I was unsettling the bike whenever my knee would scrape.

Wat can i do for pain in the back of my neck please cant last a full 20 minute session because of it

@jmcorrigan1

5 жыл бұрын

What helmet do you wear? I found that makes a difference.

@seventysevencats

5 жыл бұрын

I remember a TV show about a Formula racer where the hero would strengthen his neck by using a strap wrapped around it and a beam of wood, then pulling forward repeatedly. In my situps exercises, some apply pressure on the neck which would become painful after a number of repetitions. As my neck got stronger (not bigger), the pain subsided or it takes more work to feel it. Neck muscles need training like any other ones.

I wonder if there are tell tale signs that you have reached the limit of your tires as far a grip is concerned. I have been riding harder and harder and learning to take corners harder and deeper but I don’t know the line at which my tires will give up. We all know what happens when that occurs whether that be low/high siding the bike.

@whiteboiwyatt

5 жыл бұрын

TachySteve you should know when its about to happen, your rear end will begin so step out on you and slide, and your front end will begin to “chatter.” Try not to go into panic mode when this stuff happens, when the rear slides manage it with the throttle and when the front end chatters id stand her up asap! Im no teacher, but i will say that a good teacher is riding on tires that aren’t really track oriented, that way they break free easier and you can learn what to do and how to correct your trajectory at less lean angle which means you’re less likely to crash. Hope that helps but don’t take what i say as gospel lol

@lennardspit

5 жыл бұрын

A sports boke is all about feedback. Stiff springs with a lot of dampening in combination with track oriented tires should send the rider information on what the tires are doing and if you're near the limits of grip. It's not on/off like you're suggesting.

@midlifebiker7424

5 жыл бұрын

Different tyres have different characteristics and then you have the "when cold" and the "when hot" so first couple of laps and last couple of laps of your session is when you need to be most cautious. First time the back stepped out on me, I closed the throttle and then the rear gripped so the bike stood up and I went up in the air but landed back on my seat and just rode off the track. I lost confidence after that. Since then I know what the feeling is like so control the throttle rather than on/off. Im sure you have gone over white lines when wet so feel that movement which is similar. Its how you react that makes the difference mostly.

These moto GP guys are also very small, light guys, so can ride in ways bigger guys can't

isn't it funny that people ask but motogp riders do it. Well motogp riders train hard, they watch what they eat, and watch their weight. it's all lean muscle. and they train from young age. weekend warriors should stop comparing themselves to athletes

Go to the gym its a sport work out.

FK'N phone holder!

I like your videos but i find your over pronunciation of the letter t on the end of words really distracting.

@AndyManCam

5 жыл бұрын

Haha! Glad I'm not alone! Great video but horribly distracting enunciation! Chill out and talk like you naturally would and the video will be far more enjoyable!

Guess you gave up on making vids.