bro amassing job. thanks for shearing

Awesome idea. I already did pre-slope, pan liner, and final mud slap. Then I did a water test and my mud pack was wet for almost 4 days until fully dry( I live in AZ in a dry climate). Which I hated. Watched your video, and now I will take off a little bit around the drain and will do the same as you did, that way my mud will be fully dry. Im not worrying about the moisture sandwich as water should not even get there to the layer where I have the pan liner now installed. I saw ppl just covering the top layer with Redgard without the divot method like yours but I like that some water will drain through those holes at the bottom of the drain with your method. Awesome work. Time will tell how it will perform 🎭

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Cool Thanks for the comment, I think Divot is the best way to keep mud dry etc..

This Is Awesome! I love your style

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

clean cut work...this is not going to leak at all for yearsss

have you done these on a wooden subfloor? i dont see a problem on a concrete slab but on a wood slab im just not sure if the filled in divot mud would hold. after a few years its possible that mud in the divot area might loosen and what you might see is a circular crack in the tile. im almost thinking that after you fill in the divot, more fabric is needed on top to bridge the 2 muds together. this wont stop the divot mud from loosening because its on a wood sub floor, but perhaps stop it from cracking if it does

Hey like the video lots of good info thank you but really want to know what kind of fabric membrane you use and where to buy? any info on that would be much appreciated

New to your page. Great content. Can I ask why you didn’t use pea gravel before doing final fill of deck mud around drain? Isn’t that clogging up the weap holes and not letting water get through?

Can I do this divot method if the drain is close to the wall?

What is that fabric and have you ever had it lift not using thinset

Where do you that fabric liner?

Ah nevermind i cought that info from up , just had to look a little harder, unfortunately that site looks like their all sold out. Is there a different reinforced fabric/brand that will work in its place?

Thanks so much for your video! Nobody tells you that when you buy an Oatey shower flange (in my case, it was the square Designline), it sits up too high even when you do everything correctly on your pre-slope. So a divot is absolutely necessary to build up the height of the flange so that it's plumb with the tile. So frustrating. Thankfully, your video makes it all clear! Good job.

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Awesome glad it helped you! Thanks for watching! 💯

@moemoes5989

7 ай бұрын

If it's too high, you simply cut off a bit of thread, about 1/2 inch at a time until you get the right length.

Good video man. I've been a tileman for over 20 years. Always used a traditional liner but might try this out

@AdrenalineRushMX

3 ай бұрын

dont that redguard shit crack after a while

@egformula

3 ай бұрын

Yes sir works great when done correctly using the fabric helps prevent from cracking when applied too thick, if you don't use the fabric then I would recommend 2 coats that aren't too thick. Rn im at a different then vídeo doing 30 pans and all are passing just right.

@jdavid118

3 ай бұрын

@egformula that's what's up. I just helped a guy out the other day that was in a bind. He didn't use a pan liner and I put down tar paper and lath, mudded the shower floor up to a Schluter drain system and then he covered it with Kerdi

@egformula

3 ай бұрын

@@jdavid118 Nice thats pro! Kerdi is cool too been a while since I use it but I do like it.

@jdavid118

3 ай бұрын

@@egformula thanks man, keep up the good work!

Dude this method rocks. Framed my house for curbless but plumber put in a regular oatey drain. This is going to work great. Forget the pvc

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

That's great yeah this has its benefits.

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

I haven't seen nobody on yt do it this way. Subscribe lol

Nice video. Question do have a video showing how you divet around the drain,how you installed the tile and did you install a liner underneath the mud pan

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

No liner underneath Mud-Pan required is actually why is being done as the Divot Method, its actually either way traditional or Divot and lms i should have a video let me look for it found it ⤵️ kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKqAyLydm9bZZ5s.html

Might wanna dilute the first later on cement to prime!!! Try another video

Well done, only thing I might add is the consensus seems to be that laticrete Hydro ban is a better waterproofing product than Red Guard. They even say you don't have to use a fabric but it's a good idea to use it of course.

@nnicknicoo9096

Күн бұрын

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Hello! You do an awesome job! Loving your videos! Can you do this pivot process with a 12 linear centered drain? Or would you include the linear drain with the mud pan and then red guard the whole pan together with the fabric sheet. I truly appreciate All your advice. You Are Phenomenal

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Ty, and yes just as you described linear drain with mud and redgard together with fabric forsure.. which reminds me it's exactly similar to the Kerdi linear drain system except they have some super expensive Kerdi vs the fabric.

@sophiafleming7449

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Your divot direction is a game changer! Thank you for sharing! I am so glad that I found your videos!

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

@Sophia Fleming Thats great to hear have alot more videos and topics in mind that should ans will be out there soon enough..

@jimkuhl7622

6 ай бұрын

Have you used redguard on a wood subfloor? Raised foundation here

great video should u still use a pan liner under the sand and what ratio should i use for sand and concrete

@palmano5182

Жыл бұрын

Nope. You don’t want to sandwich moisture. Come on down Ken. Ill show you the dry method. :-).

I put deck mud down over plywood then the Oates vinyl membrane then another layer of deck mud. Now I’m thinking about putting red gard on top of the deck mud before I start tiling. What do you think? Thx

@egformula

3 ай бұрын

Technically you shouldn't tbh, if so you may end up trapping water in between which could also cause it to take longer to dry and its just suppose to drain out properly.

Would it be a good idea to put pebbles and before packing the mud? To prevent the deck mud from covering the weeping holes?

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Yes most definitely.

@chadr00

Жыл бұрын

@@egformula with the waterproofing membrane why is there a concern with the weep holes? The weep holes will never have water coming in right? I thought you had to use a drain designed for membrane install such as wonder cap or flo fx or similar?

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

@@chadr00 well let's say a Grout joint goes bad or tile cracks or whatever over the surface, then water will go down to the waterproofing and slide down to the weep holes.

Super slick work, brobro

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Thank you bro

Good job! what are your thoughts on Hydro Ban liquid?

@egformula

4 ай бұрын

Its a great product, Probably even so more than redgard

@handyman2155

4 ай бұрын

@@egformula Thanks for your reply.

So this may sound like a dumb question, but the thinset will 100% stick to the membrane?

@egformula

14 күн бұрын

@inkfusiontattooempire9172 actually if you dont know, its not a dumb question because you may be thinking how would thinset bond to something rubbery etc.. but yes as long as it's (Modified) Thinset then it's all good.

Can this technique be used for a linela drain?

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Most definitely, I made a video on a type linela drain but any kind works too video 👉 kzread.info/dash/bejne/iaupsNehgK7Fk9Y.html

Where do you get that fabric liner?

@egformula

9 ай бұрын

www.egformula.com/collections/all/products/waterproof-fracture-fabric

How is red guard gonna crack if it’s rubber?

@SciaticaDrums

Жыл бұрын

If it's applied too thick and the first layer isn't fully dry before you apply the second coat.

Hello. How many showers have you done using this method? Have you ever had any complaints?

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Alot of showers no complaints, this method has more benefits then typical pans.

@zimpler8340

Жыл бұрын

Definitely unconventional but having built 12 showers myself over the years, your way will work.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 All deck mud a the same tile are better.

I like the method but why wouldn't you just swap out to a bonded drain ? By keeping this type of drain , it seems you have to go thru to many steps, especially doing the mud divot. What do you think the advantages are with a 3 piece drain and this system compared to a bonded drain and that system? Is it simply the price? Because this is definitely cheaper. Two more question, how is your durock fastened to the 2x4s , Do you screw then redgaurd? And no pebbles on weep holes? Thanks

@egformula

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you mean by a bonded drian im assuming you mean the traditional where first you do a preslope, Waterproof then mud pack it directly to the drain? If so one of its benefits and probably the most important one would be to avoid moisture/water to the mudpack vs the other way which water would have to travel to through the mud before reaching the preslope & the waterproof and causing the mud to hold water for a long time. I think I have a clip of the installer that did this same shower before I did and the mud was holding tons of water. I will upload a short video showing it, i will be under a YT Shorts after this message. The durock yes your correct screw, & fill with thinset and then Waterproof. And your 100% correct must use pebble for weap holes or broken small pieces of tile for substitute.

@vapdivrr5656

2 жыл бұрын

@@egformula one example of a bonded drain is a schlueter drain and they don't require a pre slope (single float) these are used normally with the schluter system with a membrane sort of how you used the fabric but also can be used exactly as you did, the only difference between your method and one used with a bonded drain is the divot. With a bonded drain you do not need to do the divot because the drain is different, so you just mud flat. I like the flo fx drains instead of schlueter. So the only difference is you have to install this drain then everything else is the same and this drain adapts right to the 3 piece drain like in your video. The 3 piece drains are really for pan liners not single float systems but the bonded drains are specifically made for single float...in the end im sure your system works just as good but perhaps an extra step , not sure but look into the flo fx drains....

@PlumbNutz

Жыл бұрын

@@vapdivrr5656 with a bonded drain there is fabric that is glued to the plastic body of the drain and I have seen this fail at this point.

@frankcatrini4816

Жыл бұрын

@@PlumbNutz i suppose but if you see the method in this video he is also using a fabric on drain. Anyway who knows , although I try and follow all the latest approved methods, I sometimes think all these fancy products are just pushed to make someone money.

@rolanddelacruz6440

Жыл бұрын

@@egformula He meant Flo Fx drain etc. Great stuff!

What’s a divot area? That’s not standard practice. How the hell do you tile that bowl? Why not a standard slope from corner to drain?

@egformula

Жыл бұрын

Divot area is a substitute for a preslope, all showers require preslope before any final mud is done, even if your using a rubber pan. Standard practice is preslope, Liner, then final mud. Divot Method is final mud, & liner Basically you can skip a step. However the main reason for Divot Method is to avoid moisture under Mud-Pan which could create mold or the smell of mold etc.. Divot Method actually goes way back it usto be standard practice we just don't see it as much now in days. Btw after waterproofing you fill the Divot area with mud before tiling to be flush with drain. End of video I show how its looks filled & complete. @ 18:00

What type of drain is that ?

@moemoes5989

7 ай бұрын

looks like just a regular 3 piece oatey drain.

Please can i buy the fabric liner

@egformula

11 ай бұрын

Its in stock

Seal the grout?

@egformula

10 ай бұрын

Yeah doesn't hurt

Ahuh. Pan liner is best. Your weak spot is a wooden curb