You are like Spirit of the Law but for RA2.

@magicalpencil

4 жыл бұрын

or like Cybershell but without the multi-year hiatuses lol

@SeeQu91

4 жыл бұрын

This made me subscribe this channel at once. :D

@Ghostbellrei

4 жыл бұрын

hey guys spirit of tg here.

@ArchieVersace

3 жыл бұрын

So true hahaha

@phoneniyerur3973

3 жыл бұрын

It's the Spirit of Command (and Conquer!)

Many engineers were harmed in the making of this film.

@kyoai

4 жыл бұрын

For science!

@magicalpencil

4 жыл бұрын

They were promoted though so they at least made $1501 each before they died

@ztac_dex

4 жыл бұрын

I forgot that engineers can't do anything when promoted

@kenmagic72

4 жыл бұрын

How engineer are promoted?

@matsv201

4 жыл бұрын

"This is to easy" Yes.. yes it is

Looking at the BF crushing vehicles makes me damn satisfied

@gamefixyour1749

4 жыл бұрын

BF can crush four Allies basic tanks at one time believe or not.

"Most player knows that it has to kill x3 its cost" Well... I didn't know that!

This vid turned out more satisfying than I expected.

@mrstupeh8119

4 жыл бұрын

Love ur vids!

These guides are awesome. Lots of mechanics that I didn’t fully know until now.

I'm absolutely amazed at your attention to detail. Well done!

i need this video 20 years ago.

@user-nt7ho1iu1w

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, TWENTY already? Oh my god...

@Migixkem

4 жыл бұрын

I still play them

Fun fact: Soviet's War miner actually can be promoted, and when get into elite stage it can shoot through walls

@kharkovluzhin8333

4 жыл бұрын

@J. O. that is why it can shoot through war btw

@ruihaogong7809

4 жыл бұрын

The best Soviet unit to fight yuri.

@toastius9939

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruihaogong7809 lol i imagined a squad of yuri clones sneaking through the soviet base via where the base gets its resources only for them to get mowed down by 5 War miners XD

@remliqa

2 жыл бұрын

@J. O. How does its tank cannon compares to that of Rhino or Grizzly?

Nice in-depth video man, thank you for showing it to the community !

After running some tests here's what I found: the thing with having to exceed the exact promotion value is not always the case. I made a 500$ vehicle, and after destroying 3 enemy vehicles each worth 500$ , I still needed to kill something at least 1$ worth, just as expected. However, when I kill a single vehicle costing 1500$, for some reason my unit gets promoted immediately. Also tried killing some elite units, usually I get promoted when reaching the exact value, but sometimes I do have to exceed it. So far I wasn't able to deduce the exact reason why.

@kurzackd

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the case of the elite units: Maybe it's similar to the first case you described, when you kill the needed value AT ONCE, you get promoted, but if you do it "in portions", you have to add the +1 ?

Hands down the best video you have put out to date. Thank you.

Played this game for 15 years now, still learning new things. Thanks for your videos

This is some ridiculously meticulous work! I'm amazed at it

This is long overdue! Thank you!

Amazing work you did there. Even as a C&C expert for years, you taught me something new. Thank you for making those videos and keep the great work up! 👍

Mate, I only just stumbled across your videos recently and I love them. The C&C franchise doesn't get much coverage compared to most other games and it's one of my most favourite franchises. I subscribed. Your videos are super informative and well made. Also, you made me start playing the whole franchise again from the beginning.

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks a lot. Happy to see such reactions!

This is definitely can be completed full guide of the RA2, greatly thanks for your effort and time for preparing this perfect video! (I know it would be time-consuming during preparation!)

Ten years later: RA3 promotion guide😂

@boopsik

3 жыл бұрын

@Chuuu like you mom

thanks for all the effort you put in!

great content, still now a days there are someone who anylysing this game, salute boss

Great stuff as always. This is a must-see video for all RA2 fans.

Amazing test !!!, You really deserve much more subscribers.

New unofficial objective: Get an elite War Miner....

@MadMatty01

4 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, they get a grenade launcher as their elite weapon

@kharkovluzhin8333

4 жыл бұрын

@@MadMatty01 it actually a cannon like tanks, but it work better against infantry than normal tank and can shoot through wars

@excrist1274

4 жыл бұрын

cannon which fire faster than main battle tank but less damage war miners works well against yuri because their cannot mind-controled

@SantomPh

4 жыл бұрын

@@MadMatty01 they get the Apocalypse Tank's explosive shell as well as more armor. At this point only flying units, massed tanks the Terror Drone or Magnetron can really threaten them. Tanya might get in if you can distract the elite War Miner, but the other Commando units will be shot up. A Chrono Legionnaire can also pause the WM at risk of being attacked by other units

@matsv201

4 жыл бұрын

The annoying easterislan map I made a miner rush... it worked brilliantly.

Minor Suggestions: Promoted while garrison is the reason I edited RulesMD.ini to make Tesla Trooper and Guardian GI garrisonable. Dammit with these 2 enter the building together there is no one who can pass. But every Chrono units is not suggest to garrison, the game will crash. Garrisonned units will have specific range thought, not their original range, I tested with Sniper and Virus and they shoot the same range as Conscript in building.

@dennylukman1801

4 жыл бұрын

Now that featured on Red Alert 3. Still, fuck EA

@SITUVNgcd

4 жыл бұрын

I edited RulesMD.ini to make 3 Hero units can enter the building. Nothing can't pass! But game crash when Yuri Prime leave the buiding with a mind controled unit.

@ahha6304

4 жыл бұрын

That's why we'd better stick with basic units

Amazing! In 2020 it's a perfect video! I really like Red Alert series and still playing RA2 nowadays.

So we are just going to ignore the fact that the engineers in the video were promoted

Nice Video I really learn a lot from the demonstration

That final quote "There is much to learn!" was the cherry on top of the cake!

Wow man, what an amazing and useful video!!!

Feels like now I know everything about RA2!!

Such information. Damn it feels good :)

11:44 Note that in Vanilla YR promotion does not occur on units inside a garrison, only when they exit the garrison. This means the veteran/elite abilities and weapons do not kick in until they exist the garrison.

Amazing work

*Desolators have left the chat*

i miss your own edits i love em so much

Great video! I do think I have 1 addition. As I recall it is also possible to promote an IFV to veteran/elite by killing your own units using the chrono legionaire inside. This way the IFV gets the promotion instead of the chrono legionaire.

@CnCDune

10 ай бұрын

Related to how Chrono Legionnaire is also promoted by erasing his fellow team-mates.

Another great video on the mechanics of games! Thank you for all your efforts. If multiple units are attacking, is the experience split, or does only the last unit to shoot get the work towards promotion? Does the game actually track individual units in a building when looking for experience gains?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Chainsaw Aardvark only the unit that lands the killing hit gains the experience. I think in Ra 3 it’s split.

10:31 battle fortress:someone should fix this road >:[

elite rhino not only gain extra weapon and self-heal but also extra speed as well

Awsome guide !!

I like how an elite War Miner essentially becomes a Rhino tank with very high armor.

Sweet video!

Thanks for info.

while i was plating yuri's revenge while attacking i saw a lasher tank and floating disk that are both elite the floating disc was covering the lasher tank and merged the promotion tag and i thought i saw a floating disc with 4 stripes

Sage of RA2! Share with us your wisdom!

Only one exception of promoted engineers case: in the compaign of allies in RA2, Free Gateway, they were given from the start. So the testing map with 'enemy' enigneers and ore miners are done by a map editor?

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

It was. I used FinalAlert2 1.02: ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=47342

Adding promotion benefits to soldiers in garrisoned buildings was such a welcome touch.

I am here, learning this after 20 years first time playing RA2.

I like how you put World In Conflict in the background. Edit: the reason why that extra 1$ is needed for promotion is because a unit's or buildings first kill always grants one experience point *less* than it should. Example: Pillbox needs 1500 for veteran, but its first 500$ Flak Track only grants it *499* points. Therefore it needs that extra 1$ to reach 1500 points. I do not know why that is. Special thanks to Phobos' new Digital Display feature which also shows experience points which led to that conclusion.

excellent video

wow thanks great work

I'm playing RA2 19 years already... but I didn't know this :D

Good video. Learnt something new today. Question for you, which of the armies long-range artillery vehicles has the best value? Soviet V3 Launcher, Allied Prisim or Yuri Magnatron?

@doggo_woo

4 жыл бұрын

All are good in their own way. Soviets are the longest range but can be intercepted by defenses, allied prisims can be intercepted by walls and the magnetron gets vehicles close to it.

@ardantop132na6

4 жыл бұрын

*Me having a PTSD flashback against a large group of Prism Tank*

@jabbajane1124

4 жыл бұрын

Seeing a prism tank platoon going straight at you is as traumatizing as hearing 'Kirov reporting! '

@kratosgow342

4 жыл бұрын

DOGGO_ Woo I thought Prism Tank don’t give a crap about wall it will shoot right through it

@jabbajane1124

4 жыл бұрын

I assume he/she meant walls can stop prism tanks from advancing any further, since they are incapable of damaging walls by themselves.

Good content

so what happens if you sell elite units in grinder? whats the difference between elite and basic units prices when its sold?

@m-w-y7325

4 жыл бұрын

Same as shown in killing them, veteran and elite will provide twice more cash then their original cost, Not accurate example but correct: Conscript: 50$ Veteran Conscript: 100$ Elite Conscript: 150$

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

@@m-w-y7325 Have you tested this? I have tested it myself and seen no change in value. I only got the original value from grinding units.

@m-w-y7325

4 жыл бұрын

@@CnCDune hmm, I haven't tested this but it should work that way.

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

@@m-w-y7325 ...if you haven't tested it yourself and have no source for your info, then please don't say anything. It throws people for a loop.

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

For vehicles the price doesn't change. You get full refund despite their promotions. A basic Lasher tank will grant 700$ and it's the same for a Veteran and for an Elite.

Thank you sir

A man carried a tech of Red Alert 2 Tg :3

Wohhh... New video... 🤗🤗 First job.. Open it & Hit like button, thn see the title. Thn finish the video. 😌😌😌 Love RA2 Love tg 😍😍😍

Fun fact: Liberated slaves cost 0 since they were built for free from the original player's slave miner, as a result if they kill ANYTHING they are instantly promoted to Elite. Quick question though, do variants of normal units (such as black guard Apoc tanks and coast guard destroyers) share the same costs as the normal unit that they are modified versions of?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt they have any difference but that needs to be checked through an editor.

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

They share the same stats. The Black Guard is just standard Soviet arsenal, but with Apocs already elite (and scary). Coast Guard boats have the same stats as the regular Destroyer, but they are not the same unit.

@Toast_94

4 жыл бұрын

​@@CnCDune Yeah, I thought that the black guard's apoc tank was actually a statistically superior unit from normal elite apoc tanks. Turned out that I was referencing a part of the apoc tank's C&C wiki entry that I didn't realize had since been edited out nearly eight years ago. From 2010 to some point in 2012 it claimed the following: "Romanov's Black Guards owned four Elite Apocalypse which they deployed around the Kremlin. However, these apocalypse tanks had longer range, were faster, had more armor, more firepower, and a higher rate of fire than any other elite apocalypse tank, even ones that had acquired the armor, speed, and firepower crate upgrades." I had to go digging through the page's edit history just to find it and confirm that I wasn't going crazy. :\

@HasekuraIsuna

4 жыл бұрын

Is this why Hornets also seem to get Elite instantly?

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

@@HasekuraIsuna Yes, except that a Hornet costs 50 rather than the 0 of the slave. So a single GI/Initiate (or 2 Conscripts) promotes it to veteran, anything else would give it instant elite promotion as only $300 is required for elite.

Also, units will benefit from crates that give extra firepower and extra defense etc... it would give them status from the veteran and elite ranks while not affecting their buffs from the respective ranks,which means they benefit from ranking up even if they got a buff crate.this also works with veteran and elite units.

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they get extra bonuses on top of their rank.

Do promotions affect the performance of garrisoned infantry in any way? Edit: Wanted to say you're awesome, tg! Keep up the fascinating work!

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Parker Hancey yes definitely! We only need to find out whether units need to exit first for the promotion to take effect.

@jasonstephen7564

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas When will a video on that be coming? :p

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Stephen can’t say for sure but I believe within a month

Love it dude, keep up the great work. Btw, for the folks who have the ultimate collection on Origin, how do you get RA2 to work properly on Windows 10?

@edisonho9797

4 жыл бұрын

Republic I just ran it via cncnet

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah have you tried running it via the CNC net launcher?

@republic9299

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas Honestly didn't think about it, I just hoped I could get it working right on the copy I bought lol. I'll give it a try. Thanks!

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

@@republic9299 Let us know what happened!

@republic9299

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas It worked great! Had to fiddle with the resolution a bit but it works so well.

Awesome guide, never bothered to find out how promotion works. Do you know if the same formula is used in other C&C games?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Maxmilian no unfortunately I have no idea for the rest Cnc titles

@musAKulture

3 жыл бұрын

the older games use cost logic. newer games use "value" logic.

there's a function called "armory" and using those buildings can promote immediately to elite, even for dogs and spies. available in editor. however, you should give it an ammo count, otherwise it's one time use only.

@musAKulture

3 жыл бұрын

the reason infantry do not promote when garrisoned in RA2 original is because garrisonable buildings themselves have a weapon, and use that weapon when infantry is garrisoned inside, and only two weapons are available: soviet and allied guns. with RA2 yuri's revenge, the building weapon is removed and "allow infantry to fire" is added, which allows ANY infantry to use their own weapon when garrisoned, as long as they can do it.

@musAKulture

3 жыл бұрын

as for the cost increase for promotions, those can be found in the game codes. i can't remember the values any more...it's been too long.

hey awsome video as always. Idk if u still check comments but if you do what will happen if multiple units attack the same target? which one will get the xp to promote?

@tsiripas

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s not possible. There’s always one projectile that hits first.

idk why but i for the longest time of thought there was a third promotion like >>, and i always was confused when it would jump from rank 1 to 3 immediately..

@mammoh

4 жыл бұрын

Second in between promotion was introduced in the generals games. It's: ^ - Veteran, ^^ - Elite, ^^^ - Heroic And I've seen some mods where there was a 3rd - "Ace" and 5th "Legendary" promo

@Byzzardo

4 жыл бұрын

Emperor: Battle for Dune also had two ^. So there were 4 veterancy states

New Meta every match repair bay it a must for tank to survive and gain Veteran and Elite

12:02 Chrono Miner escaping from yuri basic infantry unit attack for their promotion attempt.

@mammoh

4 жыл бұрын

Uh... yes?

Fun fact: There is a veterancy icon for Attack Dogs in the sidebar if you edit the files and let them gain veterancy. It looks bulkier as if they just slapped the image behind the Tiberian Sun font. Which is another thing about those promotions; Tiberian Sun had the unit icon and text being separate. So you could name the unit whatever you wanted in the files and it'd be above the icon. But in Red Alert 2, since they needed a veteran icon and for some reason it couldn't just be spliced in as another layer, it's all part of the unit icon itself along with the text so now if you wanted to make a custom unit, you had to create a custom icon with the text below since the game won't do it for you :(

@xX_Pokeman_Xx

Жыл бұрын

This is largely a consequence of using an older engine than the TS engine.

May i ask what tracks were used? This sounds awesome!

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Adrianneyucor 12 it’s provided by a partner program which I can’t find it online :/

I wonder how different the promotion system is for Red Alert 3 because you have to go up three ranks before you can reach elite unless they introduced a higher rank for that game which is what I'm gonna assume it is given its a star as the final promotion.

Are garrisoned units promoted while inside, or do they only get promoted upon exit? Basically, do you need to leave the building in order to benefit from a promotion?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure you don't need to exit the building for units to take advantage of their promotion but I can't answer you 100% until I test it.

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, you do. Engine bug.

@lolpix8285

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are promoted upon exiting. Cuz only at exit EVA says that unit is promoted. Annoying, but thats how this is.

12:05 outstanding move

About garrisoning troops, two questions: 1) Do promotional bonuses apply to garrisoned troops? 2) If yes, does the soldier need to be ejected first for the "unit promoted" message and then regarrisoned, or do the bonuses take effect straight away?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

fartx211 they do yes. As it seems you need to avacuate your troops but further testing needs to be done

@fartx211

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas Thanks tg. I havent played the game in a while, but I remember there were a few odd things in YR such as elite infantry not healing when they were in buildings

How does promotions inside buildings work. Does the game remember the stats off every unit inside? How are kill counted? Does the units value get split between all inhabitants? Does a random inhabitant get the kill? Or is each shot from the garrisonend building connected to a specific unit?

i think you forgot to clarify something, when a garrisoned unit gains a rank, does the bonus apply the moment it reach those points or are you forced to evacuate it first in order to get it applyed (the moment you hear the tururi and gets the chevrons)?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

picoletor that needs a separate video

Great video as always,but I must ask: can you edit the ini to make more than 2 vetrency levels in RA2?and if yes how can you make them have special weapons as in elite(like VetrenPrimary=..Etc)?Can you change their image when elite(unit image not vetrency stuff ^)?

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

I tried getting more than two veterancy levels, but nothing happened. Not sure what the exact issue is, but you definitely need to do more than just say "game, there's 3 levels of veterancy, not just the 2 you're coded for".

@terminalvelocity5984

4 жыл бұрын

First one: most like not. Second: in vanilla YR - nope, I think Ares dll adds such a feature.

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

@@terminalvelocity5984 Second: yeah, it does and more, last I heard. It could in theory allow a Rhino to switch into an Apocalypse Tank when veteran, not necessarily elite. But I'm not sure of the details.

Also you can promote IFV (with chrono legioner inside) by killing allied units.

An IFV with a Chrono Legionnaire in it also promotes insanely fast. Like it doesn't need 3x value to become Veteran or Elite. Or it feels like it doesn't.

At the end of the video, we saw that when the infantry leaves the building - it gets promoted for the kills it's done while being inside. Does this mean that it didn't get promoted instantly beforehand, like, the moment it earned the promotion? And so do we have to make the infantry leave the building form time to time in oder for it to get their earned promotion and benefit from better statistics?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it works that way. I am pretty sure the infantry gain all the advantages without exiting the building for the promotion to show but I can't be sure until I test it.

@hemandy94

4 жыл бұрын

Don't have data but from my experience I think the promotion is just visual effect. Getting promoted upgrades the weapon instantly without leaving building. Try testing with an Initiate as being elite lets it shoot faster (more visual effect).

10:30 it's the most satisfying thing i've ever see in the history of this game. period.

and speaking of promotion buffs, each units have their own differences on the buffs.

Huh, no wonder it felt like my units should have been promoted whenever I counted the exact value. All because they set the promotion to something like "experience > (unit_value * 3)" instead of >= (greater than or equal to) or the like.

@SITUVNgcd

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Greater than! Not equals!

Elite status was intended to cumulatively give Armor bonus! Stacking with Veteran level's bonus. The reason why this did not work as intended could be a code issue - perhaps 2 instances of STRONGER cannot stack, but by creating STRONGERE then they both can finally stack.

10:45 if you know that monster truck madness reference, you're so damn old and so damn happy.

I played Red Alert & Yuri's Revenge during 2000s and I was a kid, I was just playing whatever. Now I'm a adult and these all made sense. 😌👍

+tg Do Units in bunkers get veterancy while inside the structure or just when they leave it? So do I have to evaquate the unit in order to apply the veterancy and then move it back inside it or will that process happen automatically?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Can't be sure yet but as said in previous comments you have to manually exit them.

12:02 I think Chrono Miners have the property "AvoidThreats" by default. That's why it avoided the garrisoned Initiates.

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Is that valid or just a joke? I need to look into it.

@ravergy69

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas the Chrono Miner is very smart when it sees threats, expect when gold is in the enemies places lol

There is a hotkey, "Y" if I'm not mistaking, that shows you how much elite/veteran unit costs.

@tsiripas

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t show the price of promoted units though.

This explains why Chrono-IFV promotes at lightning speed.

I still have a question: will the gi, conscript or initiate will perform better in garrison when promoted?

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

boatadd33 yes of course !

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the garrison/occupy weapon of the elite is an improved version :)

@kratosgow342

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have to abandon building first to activate the promotion effect or the effect already active when it get promoted while garrison

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

@@kratosgow342 exit first.

@nichsa8984

4 жыл бұрын

@@tsiripas unit promoted which get which upgrage weapon new

Never thought TAK02 finished university this quick

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

Who said it's over?

Elite yuri clones get a substantial bonus to mind control range also.

Sorry for commenting this but I really miss World In Conflict..... C&C ann that game made my childhood so much nostalgia

love these videos but also for using those memes :D

What about garrisoned infantry and promotions? Promoted infantry deal more damage when garrisoned, but they can't get the promotion until they exit. A good thing to do is to re-garrison buildings between fights. Also, battle fortress and promoted infantry? I haven't tested that much, but iirc promoted units inside deal more damage, but all exp from kills goes to the battle fortress. Since the BF lets units inside use their own weapon (unlike IFV), I believe Elite infantry will use their elite weapons as well..

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Regarding the Garrisoned units I need to test that. Regarding the Battle Fortress, veteran and elite units inside it will perform better. There's also a video where you can see it. But you can't promote those units through it since the experience is given to Battle fortress.

Do garrisoned units get their promotion straight away or do they need to be ejected first? Also does the rank effect them in garrison? I'm pretty certain they do fire faster from buildings but not sure when in a vehicle 🤔

@tsiripas

4 жыл бұрын

Promoted units are stronger within the garrison but whether they need to exit first that needs to be tested.

@CnCDune

4 жыл бұрын

The rank effects garrison weapon. Veteran get firepower and ROF boost, elite maintain the bonus and carry it over to the new elite weapon they get. But they need to exit to promote first. Note: the weapon used in garrisons is not the same used in BFs. Statistically it might be the same, but they're still different. Can't chk deeper at the moment.

If the infantry gets promoted while they in the bunker or building, do they need to be let out first "to collect the promotion", or does it automatically get active since the very moment they destroy something?

So, random question on crate promotion. Does it reset a units obtained value towards promotion? If I have a unit that needs $500 more value to promote up to veterancy and it gets a crate promotion to veteran, would it only need 500 to hit elite? Edit - Another thought, but do promoted Tesla Troopers count as multiples for strengthening a Tesla Coil? And would the coil have any sort of additional bonuses if powered up by elite troopers rather than basics?