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Recording METAL Guitars: Are Two Guitar Players For Rhythms A Good Idea? | VQA37

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Should you have two guitar players both playing rhythms when recording metal guitars?
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00:00 Intro
01:32 How do you pan guitar players that are playing two different parts?
03:10 Why don’t you just master in your mixing session?
05:25 Why do you gain stage so low?
06:47 Is Mix Loudness worth worrying about?

Пікірлер: 35

  • @FrightboxRecording
    @FrightboxRecording2 жыл бұрын

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  • @Rattlehead2324

    @Rattlehead2324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Link doesn’t work

  • @FrightboxRecording

    @FrightboxRecording

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Rattlehead2324 All fixed!

  • @HASHIRA6505
    @HASHIRA65052 жыл бұрын

    It's like every time I have a question you make a video for just that. Thanks again man. Best mixing and mastering channel on YT .

  • @prettywiththelightsout
    @prettywiththelightsout2 жыл бұрын

    Love how practical your advice always is! Keepin' it simple!

  • @benjaminhernandez4433
    @benjaminhernandez44332 жыл бұрын

    Great advice!! Thanks for sharing!

  • @dinmentor
    @dinmentor2 жыл бұрын

    Just discovered your channel, really good stuff! 👏🏻

  • @Peeziejizzle
    @Peeziejizzle2 жыл бұрын

    I haven’t watched the video yet but I love tracking two players for left and right channel. But when I’m in parts where we do some fills or some different lead types, I have each player 32 and -32. If it’s only one person soloing, then either center but a lot of double track the solo and pan the solos/lead to taste.

  • @DA-lt9tg
    @DA-lt9tg2 жыл бұрын

    You're very very helpful. Thank you.

  • @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn
    @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn2 жыл бұрын

    Gain staging - I find it helpful to match the gain of similar parts to each other. Backing vocals, multiple guitar or bass tracks, things like that. Then you have a rough idea of where to start the volume fader at, and your changes have a similar, or relative effect. Then you don't have one fader right up, and one right down, to achieve a similar volume in the mix. Having the tracks at a similar gain just makes it easier to set up a rough mix that you can tweak. For instance, you have 15 backing vocal tracks. If they're all at around the same gain level, you can set all of their volume faders to -20 before starting playback, and they'll be around the same volume in the mix. I find that makes mixing a little easier.

  • @adamwells6079
    @adamwells60792 жыл бұрын

    I really stressed about gain staging and then I find out that Bobby literally does not give a shit about it and it's like a weight has been lifted

  • @firmans12
    @firmans122 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Bobby.

  • @deathmetalglenn
    @deathmetalglenn2 жыл бұрын

    One thing I'd add to the point about gain staging, one of the reasons people care so much is because the faders in your daw work logarithmic and are non linear, so if you've gain staged well on the way in then you've got greater control over the mix with the faders

  • @jaredt3985

    @jaredt3985

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is the one right here. Most if not all pro engineers I’ve seen use plug-ins to gain stage everything to hit their desired levels while keeping the faders at zero.

  • @deathmetalglenn

    @deathmetalglenn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jaredt3985 Exactly! Once i learned this i started getting much better results. I still fuckin suck though 🤣

  • @FrightboxRecording

    @FrightboxRecording

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@deathmetalglenn It's a myth. Most pro mixers don't overcomplicate the process like this. Watch this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oZxmt9Z6mrC9odI.html

  • @deathmetalglenn

    @deathmetalglenn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FrightboxRecording there's nothing over complicated about it though? I'm no pro at all, not even close, but my DAW has a gain knob on every channel, i just reduce or boost the gain of each channel depending on what it needs so I'm not clipping. Then when I'm mixing i just adjust the faders to taste or whatevers required for that mix, its a really really simple process 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @frostgauntletrecording

    @frostgauntletrecording

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jaredt3985 I like to gain stage with plugins so all of my faders are at 0 to make automation easier. It’s nicer to see all of my faders at 0 before doing all of my automation as opposed to a bunch of different levels.

  • @metalinsights9664
    @metalinsights96642 жыл бұрын

    Just in case anyone is interested to know this, Iron Maiden always double tracked their basic rhythm parts, meaning, each guitar player played his basic rhythm parts twice. The basic tracks were recorded live together with bass and drums, then the second guitar performance was recorded on top of the first layer of guitars. To my ears, it sounds like Martin Birch kept the guitars panned hard left and hard right. However, it seems there was enough bleed from one guitar to the other during the first take, leading to the impression that there is more than just one player's guitar on the left, and more than just one player's guitar on the right.

  • @veka114

    @veka114

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well except dance of death, there every guitar was recorded once and they panned LCR. If I’m not wrong Murray was recorded right, Gers center and Smith left.

  • @metalinsights9664

    @metalinsights9664

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@veka114 You are correct. What I wrote applies to the Martin Birch era, not the Kevin Shirley era.

  • @bfunkadelicmusic
    @bfunkadelicmusic2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for answering my question. When I finish the song, do you mind if I send it to you to see what you think of the mix?

  • @stahl-wie-eisen
    @stahl-wie-eisen2 жыл бұрын

    Great videos! You are my best teacher!! But I have one question: Do you ever use any reverb or delay on heavy rhythm guitars in your mixes?

  • @FrightboxRecording

    @FrightboxRecording

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stay tuned!

  • @schnills
    @schnills7 ай бұрын

    Sorry if you have answered this anywhere else already, then just point me to it I'm not sure how to handle rhythm guitars with alternating R L "percussive" guitar patterns. So my rhythm track sounds quite ok, one hard R, one hard L. When the rhythm is alternating between R and L, each single track sounds a bit weak. Would I double each solo R or L note?

  • @arthur.monticelli
    @arthur.monticelli Жыл бұрын

    I don't comment much often but I'm always watching your videos and I really appreciate your content. I would like to ask your opinion about this: Recently I've decided to compare the quality of the guitar DI tracks I've recorded in a studio (with a Pro Tools HDX interface) with my home recording, same song, same guitar, just for the sake of comparison I recorded DI tracks with the affordable 2016 interface I have at home (using the correct instrument input and recording at safe levels, about -18db to -12db max). It turns out, when adding an amp sim and a cab IR, the difference is MASSIVE. The ones recorded with Pro Tools HDX are way more articulate and sound a lot more natural than the ones recorded at my home using the exact same plugins and settings (which for the lack of a better word, sound too "digital" and not exactly what you would expect from a mic'ed cabinet. Specially when I slide my hand through the frets when changing chords, the natural noise produced by that movement of my hand seems to be a lot more apparent in my home recording than in the Pro Tools HDX recording, which becomes annoying). I believe this is due to the quality of the AD converters. I didn't really believe that it would made such a big difference, but it did. Is there any way around it, or things that can be done to increase the quality of DI tracks? Is there anything I'm missing or not paying attention to? Thank you very much.

  • @FrightboxRecording

    @FrightboxRecording

    Жыл бұрын

    I highly recommend watching this entire video. It'll be an hour well spent since he explains a lot of what you're mentioning: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dI2IzrBvp83JprQ.html

  • @arthur.monticelli

    @arthur.monticelli

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FrightboxRecording Thank you very much for taking the time to read and reply to my comment. I will watch the video now, thanks again.

  • @arthur.monticelli

    @arthur.monticelli

    Жыл бұрын

    Well I've watched the video... still I understand that if there's a difference between converters, there might not be a huge difference but in my case there's GOT to be something else I'm missing then. There is in my case a notable difference, cause when I hard pan those tracks L and R it's clearly possible to distinguish which one is more articulate and which one is muddy, with less bite and less clarity. But anyway I appreciate the video cause it touches many subjects in great detail and I've learned a lot. Thank you

  • @arthur.monticelli

    @arthur.monticelli

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@FrightboxRecording As an update, after a lot of research and trial and error, I did get an improvement when using an old active DI before my Scarlett Solo 2nd gen and chosing "line" instead of "instrument" at the input. The way budget interfaces deal with hi-z instrument level signals varies from interface to interface, and this is a very important aspect that will ultimately affect tone and articulation. In my case, it seems the scarlett 2nd gen doesn't do a great job in preparing a hi-z signal to hit the converters. As a result, the signal gets converted muddy with a particular small boost in lower mids and with less treble, also getting a little squashed with less dynamics (more or less like what happens when a guitar has passive high output pickups instead of active). Apparently, the 3rd gen Scarlett seems to have improved in that aspect (as we can tell by watching comparisons online). So in fact it seems that it's not a converter issue, but rather, how the interface deals with the signal before it hits the converter. Impedance matching is a very important part of the tone quality and is a lot more complex than I thought it was according to the many articles I've read in the last 2 days. That explains the difference in price of the many different models of audio interfaces - their attention to these details end up making a huge difference in the end. Cheers!

  • @PabloSaavedra84
    @PabloSaavedra842 жыл бұрын

    Load and Reload from Metallica is an example of that

  • @lincthomas7178
    @lincthomas71782 жыл бұрын

    All depends on what sound you want

  • @darknessveils8810
    @darknessveils88102 жыл бұрын

    how do i get rid of those little hickups and guitar string nose/annoying clicks, its driving me crazy please help me out

  • @miklodelahonda15
    @miklodelahonda156 ай бұрын

    Streaming sites. Have a mastimg service for you... if the level is no -14lufs they will mess with your song and bumb it up or lower it down.. which might compress your track and no sound the same

  • @jasonandrew81
    @jasonandrew812 жыл бұрын

    Rad.