The music industry and record labels have exploited artists for years, but now, they are finally facing the consequences of their actions. With the rise of AI, they will inevitably be driven to the brink of bankruptcy, receiving the retribution they deserve

So can Usher sue Jason Durilo for learning from him? Haven't artist been copying each other forever???

@trainerkam3218

Ай бұрын

Have you ever spoken to an artist about how they learned how to do their craft? Or looked into how AI models "learn" from training the data. The two things arent the same, and typically, artists arent profitting off other artist's work as their learning the skill.

@IMRROcom

Ай бұрын

@@trainerkam3218 Sampling by rappers....

For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!

The guy talking about AI doesn't really know what he talking about with these AI music outputs. The hook / melody of "All I want for Christmas" is replicated because users can upload a segment of a song into Suno or Udio, and the programs use machine learning to extend the song, and uses melodies and sounds from the uploaded song. It's actually really incredible technology, and of course these record labels want to blame AI for their losses.

@RobinCauseProd

Ай бұрын

the ''all i want for christmas'' case came from sync my music. and this was done before the input upload option was added to suno and udio ( in this case this was udio ) and eventually they put that specific case with the quote into the lawsuit.

@elmentor8919

Ай бұрын

I uploaded Mariah Carey Christmas to my cassette recorder , and it sounded very similar , so now we can sue all cassette player companies.

@RobinCauseProd

Ай бұрын

@@elmentor8919 if you were to want to make profit of that recording indeed you would have issues lol.

@stoneneils

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah, then show me one AI song that any music affictionado older than 40 can't directly attribute to a previous hit.

So you can use Books, music, movies to train a human being to be a better writer, musician, or actor. But you can’t use them to train AI? didn’t we settle this debate I think wrongly, when we allowed Google to copy all those books into their search algorithms

To be honest with you the hell with the music industry they have been ripping off artists for decades the artists are the ones who should be suing

So, the company and semi talented “artists” who need auto tune, are suing AI technology? Hmmmm.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

You don’t know anything. You don’t know what goes into music production, you don’t know anything about music marketing, you don’t know anything about record labels. Please stop spreading your opinions about music when you probably don’t even know how autotune works in the first place.

@GrumpDog

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo Why should so much "go into" it? When AI tools will make it so much easier now. Ai will replace everyone's "jobs". AI is not the problem, needing "jobs" is.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

@@GrumpDog because it’s art. Why get rid of the creative jobs first? Many artists put emotion, hard work into their music and it’s fun. Why get rid of it when you can listen to music made by people who feel, who love what they do, who are great at it and put love into it? AI shouldn’t replace this. AI should be a tool, replace the non-enjoyable jobs and bring new ones instead.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

@@GrumpDog people dedicate their lives to music, digital art, drawing. Most artists do it because they love it and it brings food on the table.

@GrumpDog

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo I agree.. But the goal of what I'm suggesting, would be to remove the necessity to do things to put food on the table. AI's end goal as it advances, functionally breaks a human worker's ability to earn an income. So we as a society must let go of that requirement on every individual's survival, and find new ways to distribute basic resources. It is the only way. Art should be created because it's fun, people love creating it and experiencing it, it's a genuine human way to express emotions and deep meaning. And what I'm suggesting is that aspect of it will be increased, if we can remove the need to do it to put food on the table. At that point, AI goes back to being just a tool, rather than a capitalist's replacement for workers.

Aren't there public domains for this kinda of stuffs?

@trainerkam3218

Ай бұрын

Not enough training data. They need to scrap as much data as possible to produce convincing models. And the way to so that is by using other ppls work for things thar the people didnt consent to their work being used for.

@casper8849

Ай бұрын

​@@trainerkam3218 but can those companies prove this? Can court force them to show the datasets used to them?

Now we can sue every rock drummer on the planet ! For copy each other , all guitarists as well. JUSTICE !

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

We can actually sue anybody for anything. Would that actually make sense tho? I as a music producer don’t want my work copied by ai, I want to have my own unique sound, not for someone to be able to copy it with one click. Producing one song takes HOURS. It’s a job artists want to make a living off of. Why make them short of that? AI shouldn’t take creativity out of people.

@abram730

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo You could not have become a music producer if you never listened to music. Any human can listen to your music and copy the sound. If your sound is the same as all the others in a music genera than people can type the genera and get similar music. You would need to input a sample of your music into Suno for it to extend for it to sound just like your music. That is what the music company did. They asked Suno to make a derivative work.

@BadBadDrivers

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo " I as a music producer" You are not a very good one with only 57 followers on KZread. Getting down to it only 57 followers, "my own unique sound" sounds like dog crap. AI can skip you and let people create what we want to hear. not the Auto Tuned political woke drivel we are feed now and expected to like.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

@@abram730 I used suno’s upload feature and extended some loops I made. I liked what I heard but It wasn’t my sound, it had a much different mix, a different arrangement approach than mine. I like it as a tool and I’d support it, if it didn’t learn on artists’ work without their permission. I’d want people to learn production off of my works in the future, but not an ai. It’s not a person. I see it as a program which uses copyrighted works for commercial purposes. Ai as a tool should exist, but ethically speaking, the companies should pay artists if they want to use their music.

But why then are humans allowed to copy, cover, steal and ripoff?! Take a look what is in the top 40. And the Labels that are responsible for this want to sue AI?! Haha!

@elmentor8919

Ай бұрын

No we can not sue the labels in return because they are the Holy Spirit and they never have copied any micro aspect from other similar existed artists. Really.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

There is a difference between a human and ai tho.

@abram730

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo brain vs. brain simulation. AI learns like artists. First it imitates, and then learns to create original works.

@trainerkam3218

Ай бұрын

​@@abram730Thats not how ppl learn at all. You need to learn theory, understand the fundamental things people like in the art, learn how to use the instructions and read sheet music, modify your voice for songs, etc. A lot of passsionate work goes into being an artist. These models meanwhile just steal people work without their consent to churn out rapid art that will saturate places where people share and try to profit off their actual art. If people just copied each other to learn, then AI should be able to learn and improve on art that its generated. But instead, companies need more and more ways to steal peoples data to make better models.

@abram730

Ай бұрын

@@trainerkam3218 That is how people learn. People learn to imitate, then create. That is long before any music schooling, and most never go to school for Art. AI training hasn't progressed to formal education. All of AI's abilities are emergent, in that they figure it out on their own. " A lot of passsionate work goes into being an artist." Most have almost no talent. Can't write songs, or sing them. That is the music industry, an industry that combines Milli Vanilli with computer love. The radio stations are filled with robot music, while AI makes music that sounds human. "If people just copied each other to learn, then AI should be able to learn and improve on art that its generated." AI does, and is able to create new genres of music. Learning is not theft. what they need is artists who can properly critique and label songs. That is an opportunity to insure that AI meets artists needs to compete against a novice using AI. I suspect that the upload feature added for artists was exploited to make the plaintiff's evidence.

do they really think that lawsuits are the answer? I had no idea who this Jason Derulo person was, until I saw this news clip. Seems to me that these AI companies are making this Jason person even more famous?

@erikprestonTV

Ай бұрын

I have used these programs. It's a random crapshoot of what voice randomly generates. I'd never heard of this dude, either.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

If not lawsuits… what else? Not the ai companies are making Jason Derulo more famous but the labels suing the companies. As an artist, I wouldn’t want my voice copied without my permission and used for anything people want.

@abram730

Ай бұрын

@@erikprestonTV There is a new feature that lets you upload a rift and then it makes a song based on that. They uploaded their own artist's song and the AI extended it. They then claim that it is copyright infringement and that the AI must have been trained on their artist's work. However they were the ones who uploaded it and it doesn't train on uploads. They essentially asked the AI to make a derivative work based on a Jason Derulo sample. Lawsuit smells like a money grab mixed with Jason Derulo advertising. Considering how they did this and how they are misrepresenting it, this looks to be a slap suit.

They are voice thieves

If we let AI continue to persist there’s gonna be no more effort put into works anymore, BAN AI

A.I should focus on integrating into our lives not replacing people. Someone out there escaped nasty addictions by falling in love with the art of making music. The people who where working on this are in a class of privileged rich people. All they care about is making more money. They dont care who they hate in the process

Of course.. Soon as something like this gets good, they're gonna try to shut it down. Lots of gems on Udio.. I guess I'll start downloading my favs, just to ensure they aren't destroyed if this lawsuit goes bad. The established industries can't handle innovative competition.

I could fold my own damn laundry thank you! Keep it up Suno!

In terms of the Fair Use argument. There is an argument to be made that because AI's data sources are so randomized, there's no way to determine where the outputs are coming from. Prior to AI, whenever any sort of content used works under AI; It was a clear indication of what the original source material was; thus the work could also be used to promote the original work. With AI ... that argument doesn't work, because you're essentially sampling from thousands of different sources, many of whom a lot of people who use the tool don't even know about.

@stoneneils

Ай бұрын

Wrong. AI's data sources are instantly identifiable to anyone who'd been around long enough. I have 50 years of non-stop popular and obscur songs in my head. AI hasn't fooled me once. I can name the song / artist its copying within ten second every god damned time. Trust me I wish it weren't so. But I think its just the way its always going to work.

And they were using derulo's name!

AI is going to suck every drop of joy out of your life.....your life .....his life .......hers........everyone's. Those who remember the past will hurt the most, but younger people won't have the life experience to KNOW their life will be joyless.

I like Mike even if he was not right (he was right its just a rhythm I had to make using Actual Human Intelligence)

I use suno, and I love what you can do with it. People are to own the lyrics used in making a song. Nowto be fair, singer voices can sometimes sound similar to some artists but usually sound different enough. All forms of writing and musical know how come from what we learn from others. Sometimes it costs money but places like here offer learning for free. TBH, i scrap things that way to similar to songs I know as that's not cool imo. I want something I haven't heard before when making songs. There is a report function on site for seeing stuff that would violate TOS.

@BadBadDrivers

Ай бұрын

every thing sounds the same under Auto Tune.

But it's inappropriate to use the star name for the music.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

What does this have to do with anything?

@snowrose101

Ай бұрын

@@xgalactixtoo Go look up copyright law. Then try impersonation laws.

@xgalactixtoo

Ай бұрын

@@snowrose101 makes more sense, but still, it’s not just the voice. It’s the production, and just the fact that ai was taught on music without the creators’/right owners’ permission

@gondoravalon7540

22 күн бұрын

@@snowrose101 Can you give specific examples of what to look for given the amount of stuff one would have to look at>?

I think humans should only be able to copy

Ban ai

For song writers AI Music is amazing, the music industry might as well work together and stop being so greedy. Drake did an AI Song using Tupac voice without permission and he gets a pass smh. Udio & Suno doesn’t produce artists voices as tracks so I hope they fail this lawsuit!