I'd like to make my point very clear, mainlyfor those that use AI to claim as Artist and still have no idea about how our Art industry survive... 1. The real problem is not the AI, But how some people are getting an advantage to sell other people's Artwork. 2. Artstation is becoming the number 1. target for this exploit and degradation. 3. Your Art in Artstation will be several used by the AI prompts, and your Artistic Identity can be stolen and reproduced infinitely. 4. Really, You can't compete in the same place with thousands of images like yours, Recruiters will have no chance to see your art in the Sea of empty AI Portfolios. 5. Some people Say "Artists use References to Copy others, and AI do the Same", It's completely different, AI can literally Replicate the Style, in seconds, While Artists can learn How to create New styles, while AI don't. 6. I understand that AI is here to accelerate the process and can't be simply deleted, but what is happening now, without laws, can literally make Art empty and poor.

@johnmattvfx

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instagram is full of art by AI

@joablevytam

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I think the art community needs a reality check. I'm not taking a side here; I'm just stating a blatant, obvious reality of the situation. AI artwork isn't going anywhere, and every month going forward, expect its presence to double. I certainly don't think places like Art Station should allow people to post AI art and claim that it is anything other than AI art. I think Art Station should have an AI section. There is some very cool artwork being created with AI, and I don't think it should be hindered. But if you're claiming AI art as work you did without the assistance of AI, that's pretty pathetic. In a couple of years, every digital artist will be using AI to contribute to their process. Look at how many industries are implementing AI into their workflow. For example, robots using AI have been working alongside humans on the automotive assembly line for years. Do you mean to tell me that the robotic arms are doing fake work? In the farming industry, there are hundreds of ways that AI is being utilized. Is that fake work...fake farming? I wouldn't be surprised that in 20 years or possibly less all taxis at least in major cities will be self driving. Do you mean to tell me we will have fake taxis in the future? I expect lots of taxi drivers will loose their jobs. But I wouldn't consider their replacement to be fake.

@joablevytam

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@@johnmattvfx it’s actually a nice change from people posting duck face photos, and fake staged images pretending they’re living the most amazing life of the rich and famous when in reality they are not and still live in their parents basement. lol

@johnmattvfx

Жыл бұрын

@@joablevytam that false progressivism that you imagine with an unrealistic vision..you mention the automobile industry..haven't there been people who lost their jobs?...don't romanticize the Ai..this is not a tool like a robotic prosthetic arm..this not a wacom for a traditionalist... the Ai's are literally cloning your portfolio! the only ones who win are the companies... rich for richer and poorer and poorer!

The more effort and sacrifice an artist exercises and talent an artist has, the more deserving of respect he is, imo. “He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.” ― Saint Francis of Assisi

It is so much more than just art. AI is going to eclipse every societal concern for unforeseen consequences. Some creators are trying to pivot by making their channel about how to do AI art. However, it will not be long from now when we can simply ask AI "Make a content creator video discussing ..." and it will do so.

@jhon.vectorize

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that's why I think innovation is what only humans can do. And AI can't create nothing new, it just copy and arrange the terms in code. This is already a fact that some AI "Artist" can't understand

@vfrebel6166

Жыл бұрын

AI's have no soul or conscience and just compiles something from whatever it is programmed to imitate. If that's a sign of things to come, we could end up a soulless society of drones with no imagination that rely on AI to do everything. That's a very bleak future if you ask me.

I propose to keep the works on ArtStation but to systematically put a huge watermark over "NO IA", so that professionals can continue to approach us for our art while rotting the lives of AI Bots

@toymaykr3622

Жыл бұрын

apparently it doesnt work

@stumpedtroper

Жыл бұрын

Many have left already

It's not just artists, but also programmers and editors, because of the release of chatgpt.

@lordzontor

Жыл бұрын

and we thought the covid era was stressful enough.

Youre not exaggerating at all. This is a serious assault on the artists of the world and it must be fought until these systems are operating in an ethical and humane manner. Thank you for covering the topic. Please consider visiting the GoFund for Protecting Artists from AI Technology.. the goal is more than halfway there. Its going to take many hands to get this legislation in place and the fight is not free

I’m an AI Artist and i will do what i can to fight for more regulation, a non-intrusive algorithm, and a relationship where AI can help other artists, not hurt them. While i will defend my AI Art as art i will also admit it needs to have a change in the way it collects training data and agree is in a completely different category as digital art. If DA and Artstation allow AI Art there needs to be a giant button i can press that labels it as AI Art so it can easily be filtered out by those who don’t want to see it just like they do for NSFW.

@ZephrusPrime

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Your not an artist. Your a prompter. Don't confuse yourself. Merry Christmas.

@sodakhanart

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@@ferkingus_12 I can tell you were trying very hard to be nice about your message which I appreciate :) There are a lot of misunderstanding on both sides. Just because I use AI does not mean I can't draw. I actually have a degree in Art. I have been drawing passionately since I was a child and have spent so many hours drawing that mixed with my joint condition ( Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome) and spatial awareness issued which caused me to put too much pressure when drawing I have permanent damage in my arms. I didn't draw for years because it was too painful to draw but now with AI Art I'm able to draw the initial sketch, use AI to fill in the details with very complex prompts, and then fix up any issues in Procreate. My followers will often recognize my creations as my "Style" because I don't try to replicate other artists.

@iliaadamanthark8336

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@@ZephrusPrime And that same promoter could create an art better than majority of artist tho. Heck, even they got the first place in the art competition.

@DanielFranco-3dart

Жыл бұрын

You are only a software operator, with the message you put, you make it clear that you are not an artist nor will you ever be, you have no preparation for concept, art, 3d modeling, illustration, composition, etc... Stay with your poor lie, fooling yourself on your own . Or learn to train and dedicate a few years to have knowledge of something other than sitting in a chair to write words stealing from true artists

Sapiens, learning by seeing and thinking, is not a crime. When I think of artists that died poor and in misery, but their work were copied by every art student to make money a Van Gogh didn't make or of artists selling a factory made soup can or fire extinguisher as art, I just can't accept a training ban. How would you proove it anyway. There is a thing called prompt mining that can copy any artist without being trained on that artist. However, when someone makes with AI art and pretends to be a different artist by using the monogram, signature or suggesting this could be an original from the artist is grand theft.

Don't think I'll be uploading there. Ugh it was such a nice place to hang out.

People think it takes no artistic effort, or no originality but there’s nothing that isn’t new under the sun. Get with the program or get left behind

Correct . it's weird to sell something made with words". I personally prefer to subscribe to my favorite JAV artist or my favorite premium doujin

As an artist by myself, I support all who say NO. Disgusting what is happening here.

I recently used Nokemon to generate new pokemon and then I refined the results in photoshop, and my results were much better than nintendo's. AI is so extremely creative and effective in churning out amazing ideas at 1000x times the rate a human can. AI truly is real life cheat codes if exploited correctly.

What about the other platforms like Instagram, DeviantArt, etc?

@jhon.vectorize

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at the moment, if AI database is downloading images from everywhere, definitely there is nothing that we can do. The Artstation at this moment is the target number 1. That's why is important to avoid posting Art in there. These Scammer are prompt thing like "without watermark" because they know that this is an illegal practice.

While for me I remain here with you, and I will soon pick a course and pay to understand more.

Creativity comes from the soul, not the prompts.

@sharifahmed7557

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Bro it doesn’t matter

@michellemay76

Жыл бұрын

@@sharifahmed7557 I know, I use AI Art a lot for inspiration and references... And now I'm addicted!

Так и есть. Человек должен соревноваться с человеком. Но не с машиной которая ворует твой навык, твой хлеб. Я думаю это можно решить лишь одним большим судом. Для этого нужно собрать подписи со всех художников которых доверенные люди будут представлять в суде, ибо так много людей вряд ли там поместится.

@fenixfve2613

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Лошади возмущены что появились поезда. Машина ничего не варует, она учится точно также как художник учится на чужих работах

@Wylfi

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karla ortiz возглавляет ассоциацию художников концепт артистов, они начали сейчас сбор средств на компанию по защите прав художников, планируют поднимать этот вопрос в американском конгрессе (можно загуглить Protecting Artists from AI Technologies и посмотреть всю их программу)

@fenixfve2613

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@@Wylfi Надеюсь что эти луди полностью проиграют

@LzW-f6x

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@@fenixfve2613 надеюсь что любители халявы которые завуалированно трындят про "будущее" подавятся собственной жадностью и уйдут под землю. "Луди" - не проиграют.

@fenixfve2613

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@@LzW-f6x Меня на самом деле не очень интересует генерация картинок. Я защищаю это направление, потому что, если обучении ИИ на открытых источниках признают нарушением авторского права это повлечёт за собой катастрофические последствия для науки. Из-за прецедентного права в англосфере это решение автоматически повлечёт за собой аналогичные решения по абсолютно всем генеративным моделям машинного обучения, гигантское направление исследований будет просто убито. Выбирая между художниками и развитием, я выбираю развитие.

I really like AI art generation for personal use, but when users want to take that art as their own or use it to generate profit, that's a whole other can of worms. However, AI art has been heavily expanding my DnD character art folder, just sayin.

@jhon.vectorize

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I think that AI is great tool to help on ideas as visual reference. Prompters "Artist" generating and posting Hundreds of images like printing a sticker and selling art like for free, without a minimum of Art is flooding the Artstation with fake Art skills. This is the big deal for the Art ecosystem economy.

@jhon.vectorize

Жыл бұрын

a good example, if you join Tinder to try to find someone to hangout. And you know that almost 90% are Fake and robots. it's quite depressing and empty. That's why we are protesting the extrapolation AI use in these marketplaces

Boa, Jão.👍

People have rejoiced for their downfall..first thy were saying robots r here to help till thy took their jobs...how ironic.

People will soon own nothing and be happy...its All u wanted rejoice...for A.i. It takes peoples art and at the same time learns from it.

People need to embrace AI art. its not going away.. And real artists are not going away either, there will always be a demand from human art, especially when AI art is just everywhere.

@artcika

Жыл бұрын

Embracing it or not is a personal choice, accepting it is the only requirement here, cuz it won't go away, doesn't mean we have to like it.

A.i cant replace Artists ...yet but thy r helping A.i to replace them.... Artists art work is about , aready turning meaningless... Every1 ws rejoicing when robots were designed claiming thy will never replace humans in the work place but look how people r now loosing work..how ironic

Our days are numbered, Jon. People would rather pay a few dollars for an AI piece of art than $500 to a real artist. Soon human beings will not be necessary. AI will take over everything.

@lv1543

Жыл бұрын

“Soon human beings will not be necessary” How about we never get to that point.

@DiceTwenty

Жыл бұрын

If you really thought like that, are you even a real human being?

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Say no to Ai

Lol people who have the skills to draw and etc have the same tools as everyone else to inspire images with Ai. What’s the issue

Ppl always use and copy other artist for inspiration. Art music movie, photography everybody always copy someone im sure you too.. Ai is the same thing, its using othet ppl work and change it to nake something deferent.. Im an artist and i love using AI to make my ary even better. I dont get why artist are so made avlbiut AI. Just learn to work with it because its not going anywhere.. Soon we will me able to make a full comic book perfectly with AI even movies.. Its awesome!

@jhon.vectorize

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when an Artist "copy" he is learning to build a New input to him self, it's not possible to have Artist with same capabilities since they can have different techniques, expertise and life experience, When AI Copy, it doesn't create new, but it's replicate some artist identity, if you Prompt Van gough, you will notice clearly that AI can replicate a Pattern from that Artist, while a Real human artist could take much time to achieve the same result. it's very different. but anyway, I see great potential of use on AI to generate (ideas), good luck :D

As an AI artist, I have spent a significant amount of time and effort learning how to use Stable Diffusion to create unique artwork in my own style. It can be frustrating when my work is not appreciated or respected by the community I admire, especially when I see others using AI to produce a large quantity of mediocre images without putting in the same level of effort or thought. While I understand the need for laws and regulations to protect against the unauthorized use of AI to copy and profit from the work of others, I also hope that these regulations will not discourage or stigmatize the use of AI in art overall. I believe it is possible to strike a balance that allows for creativity and innovation while also respecting the rights and interests of artists.

@sodakhanart

Жыл бұрын

It’s kinda like how anyone can take a photo but not everyone who takes a photo is a photographer. There is a difference between someone who puts in thoughtless prompts/tries to imitate other artists and someone who puts their heart and soul into their AI art, creating a unique style and and doing what they can to give back to the art community. These image creator trolls are giving actual AI Artists a bad name and i think it’s our responsibility to encourage them to be respectful and fight for artists of all kinds

@FinnieTheGhoul

Жыл бұрын

@@sodakhanart Beautifully said

@sharifahmed7557

Жыл бұрын

Lol 🤣🤣🤣

Buddy, first, try to investigate more the topic of AI and machine learning before jumping into the discussion and generating an opinion. Your explanation leaves much to be desired. Second, I am in favor and I support any law that protects artists of all kinds, but opinions like these are creating much more harm than solution, simply because they lack the necessary knowledge.

@jhon.vectorize

Жыл бұрын

It seems there are some specialist about AI that really don't understand the meaning about Art. and think that a random composition can bring history and feeling. gosh haha

@danyknight9107

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@@jhon.vectorize I am not a specialist in machine learning, but I have studied the subject in order to have a better understanding. Any generation that a person makes may or may not be considered art, it depends on the person or people who value it. Right now whatever generation you see in Midjourney may or may not be inspiring or have value or not to you, it is at the people to give or take that value. The point of my comment was to suggest that you study more and investigate more on the subject, not to criticize or insult you

@jhon.vectorize

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@@danyknight9107 all fine, I respect all kind of opnions, but what I bring in this video is not to Attack de IA, but the illegal use of it, IA is amazing to generate references I can't disagree about this, my apologies if I sound offensive.

You did a terrible job explaining what AI does. It’s NOT copying people’s artwork, which is what it sounds like you’re saying it does. True AI image generators use millions, or billions of images to “learn” how to make their OWN, COMPLETELY UNIQUE art. Just like all artists look at other people’s art to learn and use reference images to draw and paint, AI does the same thing, only instead of looking at a limited range of work, say a few favorite artists, it’s studying from this vast, vast database of images. Artists are freaking out over their images being “stolen” to train the database, but when other artists look at their work and add elements of it to their own style, they don’t say anything or care. What’s so bad about tiny, tiny bits, like infinitesimal bits of their artwork being used as inspiration by a machine, but NOT about other artists literally TRYING to imitate parts of their style? I GUARANTEE YOU that all those thousands upon thousands of people who try to copy the style, or get heavily inspired by the style, of some popular artist like Leigh Ellexson or Kim Jung Gi didn’t ask for permission to study their work. I GUARANTEE YOU that almost none of those KZread artists who film themselves drawing references from Pinterest and monetizing those videos asked for permission, made payment to, or give credit to the model or photographer in those images. Why not get angry at those people? For the most part, with the notable exception of Ross Tran who got into trouble for referencing without credit, nobody bats an eye when this happens. It’s accepted as normal. There are SOME problematic tools like Lensa that DO just mash up stolen art and photos, but those aren’t true AI. They’re garbage. True AI doesn’t do that. In fact, if you think about it, it’s MORE ethical than those artists who reference Pinterest images in monetized videos because most of those artists just try to faithfully reproduce the reference image without payment or credit, while AI produces something completely unique.

@jhon.vectorize

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I made my point here about this

@fenixfve2613

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@@jhon.vectorize No, you don't know. You don't understand how it works. It doesn't take other people's parts and assemble Frankenstein, it creates these parts with inspiration from other works.

@jhon.vectorize

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@@fenixfve2613 What is the difference between "Create these part from other works" and "people's parts and assemble Frankenstein" You only change the terms, but in fact, AI use others people Work to create image, even Copyright marks and signature has been generated. Shame on you bro.

@beaverson

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@@jhon.vectorize Don't lesson to the ignorant people that don't see how blatantly wrong this data manipulation Is.. The people defining "AI" art just don't wanna lose their new copyright infringement toy. lol

@rachkaification

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The issue artists have with AI really comes down to one point - the speed of it and nothing else. The thing with the styles is not important here (although it's one of the arguments) because as you say, style is a broad term and actually every pro artist takes something from others as inspiration and that's considered normal. For example different artist can have very similar styles because they use a similar medium to make their art and they influence one another. But this AI here is another beer. Too fast, too easy. At the end of the day though people will probably still choose the best ones out of a sea of mediocrity and banality because to be an artist or have an art perspective on things is something "the masses" don't have. The only thing they are able to achieve is to make a kitsch out of real art, to trivialise it, to make it cheaper. So the democratization of AI art has very real potential to devalue it greatly. A real value has always meant work and talent spent by an artist or a product maker, for a time reasonable for humans to appreciate it as being valuable. That's what makes the difference between the masterpiece in the museum and it's cheap immitation bought for five dollars in the nearest store and hung up on the wall.

My full support for AI. Horses are outraged that trains have appeared.

@jhon.vectorize

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Heat ready food in the microwave doesn't make you a Chef.

@fenixfve2613

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@@jhon.vectorize Chiefs didn't want to ban microwave

@jhon.vectorize

Жыл бұрын

dude, Nobody is saying about Ban or delete. but about having laws and legal actions that protects artist artwork. The same way that Happen with Musics policies.

@fenixfve2613

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@@jhon.vectorize I answered you in another comment about why the AI doesn't steal anything, so there's nothing to protect. If really simplified you could say that AI art is an attempt to interpolate very complex functions of "art". It isn't assembled from other's parts, it is an interpolation

@anonymouse257

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@@fenixfve2613 It’s really hard to argue points like this with people who can’t even remotely grasp the topic. :(

unfortunately you cannot copyright or protect an art style