il punto è differenziare dalla cucina italiana alla cucina italo americana, altrimenti vedo americani che pensano che in italia ci mangiamo chili di aglio (quando l'aglio è un condimento certamente usato, ma non così tanto come credono loro) o altro. La cucina italo americana è degna sicuramente di rispetto, ma va semplicemente detto che non è una ricetta tradizionale, se poi un ristoratore di Roma si sia inventato la pasta alfredo, questo non significa che sia tradizionale, ma è l'invenzione di una persona che poi ha avuto successo in un altro continente, ma che è sconosciuta qui. Poi bisogna sempre distinguere tra ricette tradizionali e cucina moderna, anche qui i chef inventano nuovi piatti, fanno combinazioni particolari, ecc.. ma basta semplicemente stare attenti alle terminologie

@mamorot7110

3 жыл бұрын

Verissimo!

@fabianofonda6758

3 жыл бұрын

Fettuccine all'Alfredo non è che una burro e parmigiana. Poi in USA ci hanno aggiunto di tutto.

@dannyjones9580

3 жыл бұрын

Questi si mangiano la merda

@agusgabry

3 жыл бұрын

Esatto! Io non ho nessun problema contro le linguine alfredo e gli spaghetti meatballs. Ma che la chiamino “cucina italoamericana” cucina italiana fushion. Ma comunque non “cucina italiana” perché sarebbe come cucinare i tortellini e dire “cucina siciliana”

@meio4744

3 жыл бұрын

invece confonde Americani che cucinano roba vagamente italiana con gli italo-americani di New York che invece sono molto tradizionalisti. Infatti si dice che a volta la gente magari della Sicilia o la Puglia trovano ricette ancora più tradizionali a New York che nel loro paese.

What is considered being Irish/German/Italian in Europe is different then what you define being those things. You have to accept that you in America build you identity differently, trying to differentiate each other with your origin and race while from an european point of view most of you are just american. And nothing bad about being just american by the way. Of course, nobody is just the his/her nationality, everybody has his/her own culture and personality, but you can't force others to recognize how you label yourself.

@tenbroeck1958

Жыл бұрын

Also, much of Europe has emerged as a socialist, atheist place, that lacks any similarity to its heritage.

@frien_d

Жыл бұрын

Also, italy didn't pretty much exist when most of these people's grandparents emigrated into america. Italians learned to speak what we now call italian in the 1960s, watching TV. Their granps never did.

@Samael6685

Жыл бұрын

​@@frien_d the italian Republic didn't existed, but italian people refere themself as Italiani since the Seven Kings of Rome.

@TheHardCore89

11 ай бұрын

@@frien_dno, they learnt to write from tv. 90% of Italians knew the Italian language in the 60’s

@SpiritoLibero-hp2ud

11 ай бұрын

@@frien_d Guarda che gli italiani emigrarono nel dopoguerra e l'Italia già esisteva da un pezzo. Ma cosa ne potete sapere voi? Non siete nemmeno italiani.

Being an Italian living in Italy listening to this is one of the most interesting experiences I've had in a while.

@ronaldmclown6747

3 жыл бұрын

Being an American of zero Italian heritage, I found this extremely interesting as well. Growing up I was always a little jealous of how proud and connected the Italians were of being Italian.

@antistiolabeo8950

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmclown6747 Exactly. Wich is quite curious to be honest, considering that Italians living in Italy don't really feel a true "national" identity (except when soccer is involved) but rather a more "regional" or local sense of belonging regardless of being Italian.

@tonyv9317

3 жыл бұрын

@@antistiolabeo8950 Because you guys never left, for whatever reason your grandparents decided to stay in Italy you didn’t have to live around different groups of people different races and Ethnicities which forced Italian immigrants to realize that although they came from different regions of Italy they were still Italians and viewed as such here in the United States. Native Italian should be proud that their country has such a proud diaspora even so many years removed from the country

@Jay-vr9ir

3 жыл бұрын

Italians like to call people Americans , an Italian comic born and raised in Australia , was told he was an American , when he visited Italy .He was born in Australia and never visited America in his life .

@AndrewDaniele87

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-vr9ir Joe Avati :)

If you mess up with italian recipes you are judged by italians from Italy. Simple as that. Don't mess with our recipes and you will be fine. It's our identity and we are jelous of that. P.S Historically America was neither close to being welcoming towards Italians: many surnames have been changed and mangled by the English and Irish agents who controlled the migratory flow and registered arrivals, not to mention the signs outside the shops which prevented access to dogs and pets Italians when African Americans already had access. Always keep in mind the history of how Italians were treated by the British, Irish and French already present in America, despite this the Italians contributed in large part to the construction of infrastructure, the banking system, politics and the American economy.

As an Italian American i can't understand why Italians from Italy are soo judgmental about Italian American culture. Out of all the European immigrants that were coming to America in the early 1900's Italians resisted assimilation in soo many ways. At least we tried really hard to keep our culture and our identity, i think that should be celebrated.

@cjaquilino

11 күн бұрын

Yeah, a lot of Italians adopt gatekeeping what's "authentic" as their whole personality. And it'll be based on ahistorical nonsense as if Italy itself hasn't changed and taken global influence over time. They don't understand forced assimilation, adaptation, and tend to think Italian American culture is all just a bastardization of Italy. But theree are traditions we've preserved and continued here that later changed in Italy.

@rightweaponry908

11 күн бұрын

@@cjaquilino perfectly put! Thank you!

L'argomento è, in sé stesso, molto interessante ma non può essere compreso ( e quindi risolto) se non ci si avvale delle giuste teorie psico-antropologiche, teorie che NON vedo utilizzate né dagli intervistati né dall'intervistatore. Alla fine si arrampicano sugli specchi, ci girano intorno ma non sono capaci di comprendere il fenomeno perché non imboccano la strada giusta( e me ne dispiace perché inconsciamente cercano una soluzione che sfortunatamente non arriva).E' evidente che la cultura statunitense tout court si è formata , per lo più, su direttrici culturali anglosassoni( o meglio WASP) che hanno modellato l'identità degli US per decenni , cultura che ha lasciato indietro( o ghettizzato) molti emigranti soprattutto quelli più esotici come gente dell'Africa subshariana e dell'Europa mediterranea.Questo modo di gestire i rapporti interpersonali ha ripercussioni schiaccianti sulla psiche di questi personaggi i quali , non avendo più ( o semplicemente dimenticato) un'identità propria in un mondo ostile, se la fabbricano utilizzando gli elementi culturali del proprio passato esasperandoli, ingigantendoli fino a raggiungere una forma coatta di feticismo(le varie parate/raduni , dove vengono sfoggiate bandiere e altri simboli della loro cultura d'origine, sono un indice inconfondibile della loro esasperazione).In sostanza, l'ossessione e l'idealizzazione delle proprie radici italiane(prendendo appunto in considerazione gli americani di origine italiana(ma lo stesso schema si potrebbe anche applicare agli americani di origine africana) hanno la "funzione" di creare un'identità in un mondo che li rifiuta e quindi un microcosmo caldo e sicuro che li tiene al riparo dalle ostilità di una terra che non li comprende e non li vuole comprendere poiché maneggia diversi strumenti culturali, inventati e strutturali per fan “funzionare” quel loro sistema. In parole povere la mente di queste persone si organizza , cerca nella propria cultura ancestrale soluzioni alle proprie nevrosi che in questo modo possono essere tenute sotto controllo(ma mai del tutto eliminate). Il modo di preparare i pasti è solo un altro aspetto di questa visione delle cose, esso è un tratto culturale( un pezzo del puzzle) che è "funzionale" alla stabilizzazione di questa identità che loro vanno cercando e che evidentemente gli serve per non impazzire.Molti sono convinti , in cucina, di seguire le regole del paese dei loro trisavoli ma poiché i tratti culturali( eh si il modo in cui cucini è un tratto culturale), passando da un luogo all’altro si alterano( teoria del diffusionismo ma anche dell'indigenizzazione )ecco che la cucina italiana cambia il proprio volto , si adatta al nuovo contesto :un prodotto finito che, preso in questo senso, certamente non potrà mai essere fedele all’originale.Tuttavia a molti non interessa perché sanno solo che è uno schema come un altro per far "funzionare" la visione delle cose che hanno creato per sé stessi e per gli altri.Fuorviante è pure la loro retorica di volersi per forza dichiarare italiani(lo si vede pure in tanti film) quando sono nati e cresciuti negli USA e de facto 100% americani al pari di un ragazzo di origine inglese, tedesca, scozzese o chissà cos’altro.E’ italiano chi è cittadino dello stato italiano ma non chi è nato degli USA il quale , in ogni caso , è e rimarrà un americano indipendentemente da dove venivano i suoi nonni/bisnonni/trisavoli .Infine, considerando poi che negli Stati Uniti si da molta importanza allo ius soli (diritto alla cittadinanza di colui o colei che nasce in un certo luogo),non vi sono dubbi a riguardo all’identità e all’appartenenza.Aggiungo inoltre, che molti ( già da diversi decenni), presentano origini miste( italiani per metà o per ¼) un indice ancora più chiaro di quanta possa essere remota la loro idea di italianità e di quanto sia in realtà un' auto - illusione creata per sé stessi e per la loro causa.

@anta3612

2 жыл бұрын

Infatti.

@luigicornelio7510

7 ай бұрын

The most all'encompassing, complete, accurate and coherent comment I have ever read regarding this italian vs. italian-american duality. Thank you

Chi sono gli Italiani?sono quelli che sono nati/cresciuti in Italia, hanno fatto tutte le scuole d'obbligo,e hanno assorbito la cultura italiana/stile di vita, e vive in Italia.Quando non si e'cresciuti e non si e' assorbito la cultura/stile di vita e vengono a mancare questi fattori sopracitati inizia il fattore ibridazione per alcuni se si fa parte della prima generazione,mentre invece i figli di questi verranno assimilati totalmente se vivono negli USA, e manterranno la tradizione di fare un Pranzo la domenica tutti insieme alle 4 del pomeriggio.Non c'e' nessuna confusione, il potere di assimilazione USA e' incredibile,e fa diventari tutti Americani anche i Marziani.Gli italoamericani subiscono il fascino della cultura/stile di vita italiana(come milioni di angloamericani,Hollywood ha fatto la sua parte)e percepiscono uno scatto di orgoglio,dicendo che loro sono italiani,il 99% di loro non parla italiano,non hanno la minima idea di cosa sia l'italia o dove si trova o che forma di governo ci sia,quando vengono nei ristoranti veri italiani(in Italia o negli USA) e non trovano gli spaghetti con le polpette dicono:What kind of italian restaraunt is this without spaghetti meat balls!!!!!!oppure la scorzetta di Limone con l'espresso,ogni Secondo per loro va servito con una porzione di pasta(Capellini in modo assoluto) al pomodoro nello stesso piatto,amono il formaggio grattuggiato su tutto, su qualsiasi piatto, frutti di mare, salmone etc, etc, una tradizione italoamericana a Natale e' La cena dei sette Pesci,una buona parte di loro non ha mai visto un panettone per non parlare del Pandoro, se parliamo di Pizza di Pasqua,Colomba Pasquale,Pastiera sono cose Marziane per loro, che provengono da un altro pianeta, idem la Moka il mattino, o l'aperitivo in piazza alle 6 di sera,chi sia Toto', Alberto Sordi,Aldo Fabrizi, a Sora Lella,Gasmann,Manfredi,etc, etc non ne hanno la minima idea.Se poi citiamo Dante, Petrarca,Machiavelli,Manzoni,Leopardi etc, etc, NO IDEA COMPLETELY, SORRY BUDDY, sono stato sintetico ma questo e' in linea di principio

This video is actually really helpful to understand how Italian/americans see Italians who visit USA now, after all those years of migrations and hard living. It's not just about cooking, it's about having an identity as immigrant person. Really interesting content!

I'm an Italian that lived in the US for years and even became an American citizen (still am). As most Italians, I'm very passionate about food and when I lived in the US, I was very frustrated about the whole food issue. My major problem wasn't fake dishes in Italian restaurants, simply because I wouldn't be caught dead eating in one. It was something else entirely: ingredients! In my opinion, your Italian cooking can only be authentic if you have the same respect and attention in using authentic, healthy, non-processed,.local ingredients as our nonne and our innovative and creative chefs. No antibiotics, GMOs, Arabic gum to make cheese!!! And, btw, if it says parmesan cheese on the package, it is NOT Italian and no dish you add that to can be authentic or acceptable! None of you mentioned this at all, but to me this is what Italian cuisine is all about: combining gorgeous, locally grown or produced ingredients, in both traditional and creative ways. And since everybody has to mention spaghetti and meatballs when talking about authentic or non-authentic Italian food, I'll say this: I have never and never will eat it, except as separate courses, a.k.a. primo e secondo, but I could consider it real if you use Italian pasta, antibiotics-free meat, real, i.e. made from scratch, tomato sauce, etc. So to me it is Italian if you embrace Italian food culture, passion and pride in Italian products. Please, buy Italian when you want to cook Italian! Make sure the money you spend goes towards making sure that the next generation will be able to use Parmigiano Reggiano and not some crappy, industrially-made cheese substitute!

@antonionisini6677

3 жыл бұрын

Concordo, se dovessi fare un barbecue american style mi piacerebbe farlo con carni e condimenti americani e metodi di cottura originali, magari facendo attenzione alle varianti locali che sicuramente sono presenti anche nella tradizione culinaria americana, altrimenti lo chiamo grigliata, ci metto carni e condimenti italiani dopo aver deciso il riferimento regionale che mi va di gustare e vivo felice lo stesso.

@cecerchio

Жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree although I would find it unfair to blame Americans for using cheap parmesan cheese rather than parmigiano reggiano. Sticking to original expensive imported ingredients doesn't make a recipe necessarily better if the method used is still non-italian. I'd rather make a carbonara style dish with local lardons and aged sheep cheese mixed with egg yolks and pepper than spending a fortune in guanciale and pecorino and then adding cream to it.

@biancahotca3244

10 ай бұрын

I'm from Europe too, Eastern and now their are a lot of unorganic food items that are made just like in the U.S. The parmezano originale is buono but very expensive, so it's better to save up : ). Anywhere, if you want to make something from scratch it takes a lot of time and dedication to make something good. I make something from our cuisine, salata de vinete (aubergine salad) and other stuff of course from scratch and it's very good, but I don't take shortcuts (rarely) like buy store bought chicken broth. I make it homemade. Unfortunately what I've heard of Italians lately is they've gotten too comfortable by and large to have children and make home cooking. Not good for your country that they've gotten so lazy I'm sorry to say.

@steveneardley7541

7 ай бұрын

My Italian-born mother traveled quite a way in the Washington D.C. area to go to an Italian-run fish market. One time she got a bad fish, and drove all the way back to complain.

In Italy they put Philadelphia cream cheese on everything??? what part of Italy did you go to?

@brunobassi2440

5 күн бұрын

Philadelphia cheese is an imitation of Italian robiola (16th century)

Il fatto è che se voi mangiate la chicken parm, semplicemente siete più americani che italiani, that’s it. non vi sentite giudicati, è un dato di fatto, non conoscete la storia del nostro paese da nessun punto di vista, parlate un italiano regionale americanizzato, ma allo stesso tempo conoscete benissimo magari la storia degli usa e parlate un inglese perfetto, quindi come vi può giudicare un italiano? Degli americani con discendenze italiane.

@lorenzoceraso8626

4 жыл бұрын

Pienamente d'accordo con la tua opinione!

@BotanicalJourney

4 жыл бұрын

Non credo che tu hai capito la conversazione. Non stanno parlando di cibo. Stanno parlando dell'identità nazionale e del rapporto degli italiani in Italia con gli italiani che sono emigrati e i loro discendenti (e non solo negli Stati Uniti ma anche in Argentina, Brazil, Francia, ecc.). La chicken parmigiana a loro non importa...

@lorenzoceraso8626

4 жыл бұрын

@@BotanicalJourney ho capito benissimo l'argomento... più di una volta ho incontrato un un'americano entusiasta di comunicarmi (dopo avergli detto di essere italiano) che la sua pizza preferita era la "pepperoni salami" ... questo fa di lui un americano... che non sa di trovarsi in quel microcosmo di cui parlava la ragazza. Quello del cibo è solo un esempio...e " l'esperto" accanto a lei non ha senso di stare lì...

@BotanicalJourney

4 жыл бұрын

@@lorenzoceraso8626 Mi dispiace, ma non hai capito la loro conversazione. Continui a parlare di cibo. Invece stanno parlando di una cosa più profondo... come gli italiani in Italia comprendono i 30 milioni di persone che hanno lasciato l'Italia negli ultimi 150 anni e i loro discendenti all'estero. Le comunità italiane esistono all'estero. Devi ascoltare di nuovo.

@lorenzoceraso8626

4 жыл бұрын

@@BotanicalJourney QUELLO DEL CIBO È SOLO UN ESEMPIO...ho capito benissimo il contenuto del video...che sta (come hai scritto tu 2 volte nei commenti) nella relazione tra gli italiani e i 30 milioni di italiani che sono emigrati nei vari paesi del mondo, in cerca di fortuna, e delle relative discendenze. Nella mia famiglia ho tantissimi parenti che appartengono a queste due categorie ,emigrati e discendenti degli stessi, io ho origini del sud e una frase che ho avuto modo di udire dal figlio del cugino di mia madre (australiano) è " unne' u truck?" Mentre cercava il suo pick-up. (Perdonami la traslitterazione non perfetta) SECONDO LA MIA MODESTISSIMA OPINIONE....ritengo che ci sia una grande differenza tra un individuo nato e cresciuto in un determinato luogo del mondo e la sua discendenza sviluppatasi dalla parte opposta dello stesso. SPERO DI ESSERE STATO ESAUSTIVO.

Da italiano credo che essere italiani sia più una questione culturale che di “razza”. Essere cresciuti in Italia comporta l’uso quotidiano ed inconsapevole di abitudini, un particolare approccio nei confronti delle cose (tra le quali la cucina), ecc. Il tutto poi ha anche una declinazione regionale, che cambia le cose in modo notevolissimo, per cui ti si può immediatamente individuare come napoletano o Emiliano, toscano o milanese. La stessa cosa vale per la cucina: cambia enormemente da una regione all’altra, non è un minestrone confuso di ricette prese da regioni diverse e mescolate senza criterio. Un esempio di italianità: l’attuale medaglia d’oro olimpica dei 100 metri, Marcel Jacobs, ha un nome americano, suo padre è un afroamericano, ma è cresciuto in Italia con la madre (una italiana bionda del Veneto), e se lo sento parlare, muoversi, gesticolare, ecc., per me è italiano al 100%, anche se il colore della sua pelle è un po’ più scuro della media

why don't you talk about; painting, architecture, design, music, the origin of science? hellooo

@brandgardner211

4 жыл бұрын

Lucia Grillo I met him once a long time ago at an MLA convention, and he struck me as being a jerk. So...I guess I was right.

@brandgardner211

4 жыл бұрын

Could it be that Prof Julian is being paid under the table to reinforce absurd stereotypes? paid by those who have influence in the academic world and who also, purportedly, "run hollywood", the source of so much of this ongoing defamation campaign?

@dancelli714

4 жыл бұрын

As if in Italian culture 'food' is the only thing.

@cultofmalgus1310

3 жыл бұрын

@@dancelli714 its an annoying stereotype!

@venusreena2532

3 жыл бұрын

Its all I cared about a s a child..design..engineering..style..Descendant of DeVinci..This guys talks shit..Plenty of pure Italians still alive

In Italy never say you’re Italian if you were born in America. You say “io sono origine Italiano” … I am of Italian origin… otherwise it’s insulting to them. Maybe the only exception is if you can speak Italian with 100% fluency.

@SicilianCuisine

Жыл бұрын

no, that's not enough, because the way we think and do things is still the opposite. The same way that speaking English with 100% fluency does not make me American.

@pjuliano9000

Жыл бұрын

You are correct, but they do seem to respect you a lot more if you can communicate in the mother tongue

@Ryan-sl8mw

7 ай бұрын

Italians in Italy have a hard time with the concept of Italian American. When an Italian American says they're Italian, they mean Italian American. It's a different culture all together. No reason for Italians to be offended except from their own ignorance

One point I disagree with: 'Italian food' doesn't exist. YES. And that's the whole point! When I talk food with my friends, I don't say 'Italian pesto', 'Italian lasagna' or 'Italian steak'. we say 'GENOESE pesto', 'BOLOGNESE lasagna' and 'FLORENTINE steak'. I would NEVER in my wildest dream go to a roman and try to explain how carbonara is made, I'm from Florence, it's not mine to explain or change. If I change the recipe, then I have no business calling It carbonara. We know and respect regional differences, and it hurts to see this mashup of stuff coming from America using this general 'Italian' label because the origin of the food, the traditions and the cultures behind it get lost.

@manitheman0806

2 жыл бұрын

Italian food does exist!!!! Its just the American version of what they did in the old country....Its got fruitioned due to the geography and demographics that were in place and at that particular time. Also, the people that left here from the old country...They came with their own recipes that might have been different from other regional reciples but at the end, its all Italian. Nothing more and nothing less

@lucazeppegno8256

Жыл бұрын

@@manitheman0806 not exactly. A lot of italian-american cousiine does not exists and never existed in Italy. It's a complete invention of the new country. Nothing bad in it, but it's not italian.

@karolsiska1075

Жыл бұрын

@@lucazeppegno8256 no its not a complete invention, its an adaptation. Which is what the young lady said.

@lucazeppegno8256

Жыл бұрын

@@karolsiska1075 if you adapt the dish changing it completely with ingredients that make It another dish it's not an adaptation. It's another dish. Period.

@karolsiska1075

Жыл бұрын

@@lucazeppegno8256 thats not what it is, its very often the same base pasta with some ingredients added to it. Not hard to understand, Italians from Italy are just literally the least creative food people ive ever met.

The Italian race does not exist as such, the beauty of Italians is the "mix" dark skin in the south, fair skin colour in the north a magic mix of different influences, cultures into one ....Italy is a divided country but unified at the same time

There are so many things wrong with what these people are saying. Italians don't have a national identity? We don't have dialects but regional languages? have you ever wondered if the fact that you feel like a dancing bear for not being able to speak fluently the langue of the nation you identify yourself with is because the Italian community is not really open or maybe because you’re not part of the italian community? We Italians might not agree on one singular original meatball recipe, we are a wide country with different regional recipes and traditions and dialects, cause yeah, we have dialects and a national language, and thats it. If you really think that we don't have a real national identity, well… maybe the problem isn't the Italian community but you simply haven't fully lived it, visiting your little village in the south two months a year doesn't give you the right to call yourself Italian. Do you know what a calciobalilla is? Do you know what we learn in elementary school and what a scientifico highschool is? or Classico? Do you know all different regional food from different regions and still love all of them, or you only know your nonna recipes? What about cotoletta from Milan or tortellini from Bologna? what about nduja from Calabria or Arancini from Sicily? what's your football team? Have you ever been to the stadio, maybe in curva? Do you know anything about Italian Politics? Have you ever been to a sagra di paese? Do you know what a forno is, and I'm not talking about the oven? Did you get to hate Poste Italiane or Trenitalia? Do you know Italian hand gestures? Yes, we are a wide nation, with different regional recipes and dialects, but we do know how to identify ourselves as Italians, because being Italian also means sticking together for the similar life style approach, for the same experiences, for similar traits and characteristic, its means having an open heart and if you really have to doubt that, well.... your not Italian.

@catver

2 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh brother, you sound ridiculous. Lots of Italians don’t pay attention to calcio teams, and yes arancini in sicilia, how about spaghetti neri? How about you stop using English words and wearing clothes with English language and listening to American music. It goes both ways you know.

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

Lol "modern" Italian culture.

@Refref1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@catver But what does it have to do with it? We Italians can also listen to American music or wear t-shirts with English writings, but we do not produce music in English, passing it off as real Italian music around the world! Instead, Italian Americans do just that! They take their distorted versions of our food and say it's Italian!

@coffeepoetry_

Жыл бұрын

*arancinE 😉

@karolsiska1075

Жыл бұрын

gatekeeping snob.

What a wonderful discussion.

These conversations are vital and familiar and yet many of us continue to perpetuate essentialist notions of identity, memory and culture.

Stanley Tucci's movie was very good. Per il resto stanno dicendo un sacco di cazzate.

@salvo5108

3 жыл бұрын

Concordo, ma è importante considerare che gli italoamericani rappresentano una grande risorsa geopolitica per l'Italia e dobbiamo Italianizzarli quanto più si riesca a fare. Soprattutto, dobbiamo includerli nella nostra cerchia, perché non abbiamo il lusso di snobbarli in questa fase della nostra storia.

Refreshing to see and hear.

@valuecalc

2 жыл бұрын

C.J. Blanda, I agree. It seems that Italian culture doesn't exist on U.S. TV.

Notice how all the writers that they mentioned where foreign people that learned Italian and Italian culture in Italy, not in a stereotypical bubble overseas, like one of my favourite writers, Nicolai Lilin that arrived in Italy in his 20's from the ex Urss

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

Si ma non puoi paragonare Lilin a questi impostori americani

nice to hear good things about Italians, thank you

The show that they are not mentioning is "Little Big Italy" an Italian program that goes to every cities in the world where Italian have immigrated. The premises of the show is 3 Italian speaking guests pick 3 favorite Italian Restaurants in these cities (Obviously Rosella was on the show in NY) to make authentic Italian dishes served in Italy...Obviously if one is asked to make a Ragu alla Bolognese it has to be made with the right ingredients, not just ground beef where some Restaurants I've been to make them. It is not a show knocking dishes of a particular restaurant. Another perfect example is Pizza Margherita....It's ripe tomatoes pureed with fresh mozzarella and basil...That's all..But when you go to a rsstaurant and one orders it it comes out with slice tomatoes shreeded mozzarella and no basil..Why call it a Margherita. Give it a different name...So basically that's what the show is about...I was also in line to be a guest in the Nashville show, but wasn't picked due to the Italian host and crew being Covid crazy..Haha..

The fact that Italian Americans want to feel Italians really speaks loads about the strength of Italian roots! That pride of their Italian ancestors is one of the last Italian things left in Italian Americans. The fact that food is the only topic you discuss is proof of it. We're not just pasta, pizza and mandolino.

"Italians from Italy making a living of moving to US and joking about Italian-Americans..." Love, you are making a living exploiting your grandma and promoting your (her) food as traditional Italian when it isn't. Italians dislike Rossella because she's a disingenuous opportunist who thought she could break it through the naive americans with the approval of actual italians. italians understand the subculture that Italian-Americans have created, just please don't pass it as Italian for your own sake as they are quite different.

This conversation and debate is very interesting. As an Italian who's very defensive and loves to "gatekeep" Our Food and Culture, my biggest problems with anything -American food is: -often times authentic food is changed beyond recognition to suit mediocre WASP palates -American food heavily relies on processed, industrialized ingredients, which is a massive insult to traditional cooking techniques and products. A vulgar can of pre made sauce completely erases the beauty and uniqueness of a pomodor San Marzano, for example.... Not to mention how the "italian-american" category has completely forgotten regional food

@markantony3875

Жыл бұрын

If you are talking about the commercialized "Italian" crap in the States, I agree you. Most of my Italian-American friends there think it is crap too. I have found out there is a big difference in the quality of food cooked at home by Italian-Americans and the crap the U.S. mass market passes off as "Italian". Blame the U.S. commercial industry. I think our cousins over there get a bad rap on this, even though they have nothing to do with it, and most of them think it is crap food and are embarrassed that they are wrongfully associated with it. I am from Campania, I have friends in the U.S. whose family's are from Campania. Many of them still make food at home that is regionally correct from Campania.

My father and his sibling were 1st generation all born in America, they spoke Sicilian at home and English everywhere else, my Grandparents I never got to meet as they both died before I was born. They came to America in 1910. My dad didn't teach us the language because I think he didn't know how to do that. I credit the women for teaching the children the Sicilian form of Italian language. My mother was French(from Canada), German(from West Prussia) and Scottish decent, My children are all of that plus Irish and Spanish, from their father's side. I faced prejudice growing up, kids made fun of us, called us derogatory names. My French Canadian grandmother forbid my Mother to marry my father, she thought he was part Negro, but she married him regardless. My dads parents came from Ragusa and Siracusa. I credit my Italian grandparents for their courage to come to America or I wouldn't have ever been born. Ciao!

@flexiblestrategist9922

4 ай бұрын

My grandparents spoke Sicilian to my siblings and I; not my parents.

I'm German, and culturally (as a european) more "italian" than any "italo-american" We spend our holiday there we know each other and feel closer to each other than to any americans.

@reaux3921

Жыл бұрын

Lol neither are Italian

@lorenzor2555

Жыл бұрын

As an italian myself, I understand very well what you mean, and I agree

Loved the talk! From an Italian prospective it was eye-opening on many topics. It was really interesting to see us from "the outside" community. Saluti da Piacenza, Emilia Romagna ❤🇮🇹

@lusardi01

3 жыл бұрын

Saluti da Morfasso pr. Piacenza

@karolsiska1075

Жыл бұрын

very nice comment.

Still if you didn't grow up in Italy you are not Italian, end of the story.

Funny that they mentioned the far right Italian party trying to preserve the Italian racial purity (that's laughable indeed) when Italian-Americans themselves are the ones obsessed with blood and heritage percentage making them being 84% Italian and POC their whole bloody personality while considering Italian born Africans or Asians not worthy of being Italian. At the end of the day 99% of Italian Americans can't hold a conversation in Italian and if a war broke out between US and Italy will fight for US. These foreign writers made an effort to learn Italian language and culture. Most Italian-Americans don't as to them their childhood experience in nana home is enough. No one will undermine you if you stop pretending that you're Italian and making it your whole personality desperately trying to culturally appropriate us while using annoying Hollywood stereotypes and limited personal experiences.

@Alex-dr6or

Жыл бұрын

The Italian American community is becoming so gatekeeping towards non white Italian or even towards fellow Italian Americans. You don't have to be caucasian to be Italian. This whole racial purity thing going on their part makes me think of a particular someone and it's not a good thing. One of my friends was adopted, he's from South America but was raised in Italy as a baby which makes him Italian as much as I am. When he went to the states, a couple of very bigoted individuals were insisting he couldn't be Italian but he was Latino instead, despite him explaining his background. He's by a long shot way more Italian than the ones arguing with him.

The fact we identify ourselves always with the food (which is of course an important aspect of our culture but not the only one) is a bit boring. The reason is because the good food (which is very different for each region of Italy) is probably the easiest thing which unifies us: we are so different from north to south and even from est to west. Thank you for inviting Dr. Albertini he could clarify something and he could talk also about many other interesting things of Italy.

Amazing Nonna, to hell with the “Olive Garden” bs. I’m an Italian immigrant and I do not associate with what “Italian cuisine” is in the US. Sure, Italy is an accidental melting pot, but we do have our identity nonetheless. Most of Italian dishes can not be made in the US simply because the ingredients aren’t available. Italian food is not Italian-American, which has its own identity and dignity.

@teachone2261

Ай бұрын

Not totally true now

Important topic💯

it would be fascinating to do research or a comparative study examining hyphenated communities and examine the similarities and difference. For example, Chicanos experience so much of these issues. We are too Mexican for Americans and too Americans for Mexicans that they call us Pochos

this is a bunch of BS how can they say Italians don't have a national identity and there s not "real" italian food? give me a break 😒 wth 🙄

An Indian restaurant opened in Burlington Vermont. Great food but WAY too hot for most customers. Within two weeks the "hot" was what had been mild. An Indian friend would go there and ask for "American mild" but they would always give him blisteringly hot food. He finally stopped going.

Can we put Italian cooking to one side ? , there's a lot more about Italy than just food . Beside ,every Regions in Italy have theirs on way of doing so ,

Which show are they talking about?

I'm reading all these comments about cuisine and people not understanding what the big deal is. Fact is food is part of culture. Anyone who has been to Italy knows that Italy is the land of culture since we birthed Western civilization. This is why we are so protective of our cuisine. We have an issue with Americans in particular not only because they adulterate our cuisine (and therefore our culture) but also because they tend to have a dominating presence worldwide so they end up voicing over us and drowning out our voice. They think they can represent us and we are saying: NO YOU CAN'T!!! Of course they don't do this only with Italians but it's not only annoying it's also worrying. I, and many like me, don't want to end up culturally colonized by America. Our culture is ancient, diverse, sophisticated, complex, fascinating and beautiful and it's taken centuries to create. Now, all of a sudden, Americans not only seem to want to be us but also tell us how to do it properly. Americans come to Italy because they find solace in beauty and want to escape the ugliness that is America: so why put pressure on us to become a carbon copy of the USA?

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

You represent modern Italy. An American Italian is as Italian as you are historically. Keep up the bigotry

@anta3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@you-in5iy So what if American Italians are historically Italian? Historically speaking only native Americans are real Americans so everyone else over there is living on stolen land yet are quick to hypocritically lecture the rest of the world. Put your own house in order before bleating on about bigotry.

@anta3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@you-in5iy Even more annoying is when American Italians tell Italians from Italy that we are the ones who are not real Italians (happened to me as well as others while in USA). Seems we're not the only ones, here in Europe, that need a bigotry check!

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@anta3612 I'm Canadian and only half Italian ethnically, and grew up without the stereotypical American Italian upbringing.There are lots of people around the world who have a real connection to Italy that has nothing to do with you. For example, my maternal grandparents are from Molise and Basilicata respectively. I have family there.It shouldn't be a competition, but I understand not liking Italy portrayed a certain way. Oh well, not my problem. Janus!!!!

@anta3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@you-in5iy I'm not sure why you're inserting yourself into the conversation, then, if you're not American Italian. Perhaps it's because in this video they generalize about people of Italian descent outside of Italy but American Italians can't speak for/don't represent the rest of the diaspora. Americans (in general) have the annoying habit of coming across as believing they know best. This irks most people not just Italians. It's not about being a competition. Anyway people of Italian descent living in Latin countries don't have the same identity issues and I believe it's because of the similarities in our cultures. Anglo-saxon culture is very different to Latin culture and we (Italians born and raised in Italy) can spot the difference immediately which is why when someone who has been more heavily influenced by Anglo-saxon than Latin culture claims to be "Italian" it comes across as unauthentic to us. Having a connection to Italy is different than being strongly influenced by its culture which can only happen if you were raised in Italy. It has nothing to do with genetics or with superiority or inferiority. We have an issue with Americans in particular because they dominate on the world stage. They seem to think that they represent us but end up misrepresenting us instead. We have no problem with American Italians being who they are as long as they don't try to tell us who we are which is the real issue. After all we were here first!

Very interesting!

What is the show????

9:46 All genetic studies on the Italian population until today prove otherwise, regarding Italians their genome is one of the most studied and it has been established that every foreign military invasion/occupation occurred in Italy since before the dissolution of the Roman empire left very little to the ethnic composition of Italians, and that any differences between North-South, West-East in Italy and between continental Italy and the islands of Sardinia and Sicily, the same differences were already present since pre-Roman Italy. Also throughout antiquity and the middle ages Italy has always been a densely populated area hard to invade and colonize because of the Mediterranean sea surrounding it and the mountain chain of the Alps in the North which acted as a restraint to migrations/invasions that aimed at colonizing the area. So the genetic diversity and the differences in appearance in Italians is not the result of those foreign invasions/occupations.

@pamle1

3 жыл бұрын

There are probably still many Sicilians who are still defacto Greeks.... Romanized Greeks. Dr. Albertini is, like my family, Lombard.. but probably still Gaulish in actual ancestry... Romanized Gauls.... all later fitted with common language and church.

@fabianofonda6758

3 жыл бұрын

Non c'è niente da fare, nemmeno la scienza riesce a fare giustizia di certi pregiudizi.

@danielbonarrigo3655

3 жыл бұрын

Based on my personal study, I confirm what you say as being correct.

@imurt3417

3 жыл бұрын

@@pamle1 You are right. The celts in the north and the greek in the south were the last very impactful genetic changes of the peninsula

@Nissardpertugiu

3 жыл бұрын

@@pamle1 lombards were viking . They arrived when Byzantin wanted to liberate from Ostrogoth , they arrived from Scandinavia crossing to Germany / swizt / austria to north italy .

I grew up in Utica, NY...talk about a full blown Italian-American community.

@venusreena2532

3 жыл бұрын

Bensonhurst Bklyn NY..

@mrtfisher18

3 жыл бұрын

Chicago is full of Italians too, thats were my grandparents moved too when they came here. I moved to MI and they're nowhere to be found

@siIIygirI

3 жыл бұрын

Wait same except I’m like 20 miles away from Utica

@jmf5246

2 жыл бұрын

My wife was from Rome NY near Utica and i grew up in Rochester. All Italian

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

We just call you counterfeitalians

I Like this show! Does this episode talk about "real" and "not real" italian kitchen? I perfectly understand the presence of Rossella. She told Us her own experience about "italian-american" food. On her side there is an expert of literature talking about "italian-american" kitchen. Why? On her side there should be an italian ...

@lorenzoceraso8626

4 жыл бұрын

*chef

@BotanicalJourney

4 жыл бұрын

@@lorenzoceraso8626 Why should they talk with an Italian chef? The conversation they are having is not about food.

Great job

Being born and raised in Europe I can tell that their is a big difference between someone who is born and raised in a nation or someone who claims ethnicity of that country. Two very different things. If you're born and raised in Italy and have deep roots there than you are truly Italian unlike Americans who claim to be Italian but are born and raised in the U.S. who can barely speak a lick of Italian let alone pronounce things correctly, I'm sorry to say, like this gentleman here. Italiano last nume : ) but can barely say "nonna" correctly in Italian. Youz is Americano all day long!! Or you're American of Italian descent. Finito!!

@jake-qn3tl

10 ай бұрын

Everyone knows that genius.

The comment around @15 about Italian immigrants esp. from the South being able to afford meat easily & how this will have changed the cooking is interesting. I didn't know this.

@lucianomezzetta4332

7 ай бұрын

That is a BS comment. My father came to America in 1948. He came from a fairly well off family. He said most of his neighbors ate meat once a month, and beef hardly ever.

Italian here. "In Italy they put philadelphia cheese on everything" is a plain fat lie and a gross generalization.

@Alex-dr6or

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. The only thing I put Philadelphia on is on bread at 1am when I can't sleep and I need something to do. It's good for what it is but we barely even use it on a daily basis and it definitely isn't incorporated into our traditional recipes. Using Philadelphia as a substitute for a main ingredient is just as bad as making a carbonara in all the atrocious ways you could imagine (and probably had the misfortune to witness on the internet).

Is It so difficult to differentiate between italian food and italian-american food and recepies? To acknowledge cultural differences Is not wrong

Just watched and I did find it very interesting. I believe we need to improve the study of Italian migrations and Italian communities abroad, it's very sad to hear a constant bla bla about Italinas first and realizing we almost ignore the experiences of millions of families who left Italy between XIX and XX th Century. Speaking a good Spanish and a little English I'd like to know more about this topic. My dad's from a little village in Southern Italy and when I was a kid I used to spend some time there in the summer and I remember meeting some family from US, Canada, Venezuela and to me it was so cool to talk with those people with different accent and I remember I thought "wow, how can their life must be down there?" ... maybe sounds kinda silly, but I still feel that way. There's never been one only way to be Italian, and there will never be.

food? !!! you want to talk about food? !!! Italy is: the origin or location of approx 80% of the acknowledged masterpieces of western visual and plastic art. It is also a leader in physics, engineering, design, bio-medical research, and was the place where modern physical science was born -- Galileo, but also Leonardo. The idea of history as a discipline of philosophical significance is of Italian origin -- Vico, not Hegel. The first person to envision something like the internet was an Italian -- Campanella, who in his City of the Sun, imagines all knowledge displayed on the walls of the city for all to have access to at will and without impediment. This is what Italy really is -- not stuffing your face.

@delgi9551

4 жыл бұрын

All you are doing is talking about high culture and if I'm going to be honest with you that is not everything in one's culture literally what you are talking about is superficial things that don't over imposed on one's culture. I majored in anthropology and I can tell you that there is an iceberg of culture that people fail to understand. What is above the surface would be tangible things like religion music food art language some of the things that you just talked about. But what really matters is beneath the surface the stuff that you can't see or touch like the values in the Italian Community the respect for elders the respect for the mother the idea of masculinismo, the idea of the family the idea that there is more regionalism in Italy than nationalism and that one Prides itself on the village or region or family more so than Italy as a whole. in fact what you're talkin about only proves what I say. because the northern part of Italy has a very different culture than the Southern part and it's important to acknowledge that difference because what you're talkin about is high culture and many italian Americans descend from Italian to came from Regional cultures in southern Italy. and regardless of where you originated in Italy it is a known value and virtue that food brings people together and is a very important part of culture. every region Prides itself on its own unique cuisine.

@eve3363

4 жыл бұрын

@@delgi9551 Wow. Superb and intellectual response!

@pixelblade2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@delgi9551 food is an important part of the colture ? Maybe yes but ..... I prefer the history ( Rome , middle age , garibaldi , rinascimento ect ect ect ....) In Italy there is more that the food . Yeah the food is culture , but isn't important how much there are important the much artists . Leonardo isn't more important than a pasta . Italy = food , food , food , food ..... No absolutely no . Yeah food good , but the food is good in every part of the world. But the Italian history is history . Who found the America an Italian , I prefer know this that know how can I cook a pasta . Every part of the Italy have much history , this history isn't only the food .

@pixelblade2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@delgi9551 speak only the food is much offensive (if you want to speak about the Italy )

@pixelblade2551

3 жыл бұрын

@@delgi9551 Rome is a big part of the history , food is nothing than Rome .

La personalità di un individuo è creata da molti fattori e diversi "agenti educativi". La famiglia è il primo, poi c'è la scuola, l'università (l'istruzione formale), e infine la formazione o auto-formazione personale (tutto quello che impari fuori dalla scuola ufficiale). E naturalmente anche i mass media e la società contribuiscono a formarci. Nel caso degli italoamericani, di solito loro hanno solo uno di questi fattori, la famiglia (forse i media e l'autoformazione, SE da adulti lo decidono). Tutto il resto (scuola e società) è americano. Quindi in realtà loro sono un ibrido. La cultura famigliare è importante, è vasta (c'è la lingua, o dialetto, la cucina e alcune tradizioni) ma non è tutto. Quanto sanno della tv italiana? Della musica e cinema? Sanno dire almeno un famoso "landmark" per ogni regione italiana? Sanno per esempio cos'è l'inps o l'Inail? Oppure la CGIL, CISL e Uil??? Hanno mai sentito nominare Pertini, Aldo Moro, Andreotti, Craxi, Falcone e Borsellino? Tutto questo per dire che la cucina e il dialetto di nonna NON è tutta l'italianità! E ora "change my mind"! Sorry, my English-speaking friends, but I'm not in the mood for translating all of it: Google Translate is your friend!

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

Modern Italian culture vs American Italian culture. I am neither these things. I am Canadian and my mom's parents are from Basilicata and Molise. My connection to Italy is through them and all my ancestors. Culture changes, languages change. My dna is ancient and I don't need acceptance from some modern Italian driving a car lol.

@Refref1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@you-in5iy Well, of course you can identify yourself as you want, free to do so, but with all due respect, it is up to us Italians to judge what is Italian and what is not, regardless of what you think!

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Refref1990 Well I am Canadian as I stated, with maternal grandparents from Southern Italy. What did I say that was untrue? My mother and her two siblings broke an ancient tradition by being born in the new world. My ITALIAN maternal grandparents were integral in raising me on top of providing my literal flesh blood and bones. My father is not of Italian descent but descends from eastern and northern European peasants. I don't identify as an Italian, rather a mixed European peasant born and raised on Native American soil. I think that's an interesting story.

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Refref1990When I was 15 I found out through a blood test that I had beta thalassemia minor. If I fell in love with a Greek or Italian girl and we wanted kids she would have to test for beta thalassemia herself. If she had it we basically couldn't risk having kids. Look it up if you aren't familiar. Just a cool example of how the old world still plays a role in my life

@Refref1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@you-in5iy But in fact it is an interesting story! But it is you who said that you do not need the acceptance of the Italians to call yourself Italian! And I simply replied that you don't need it, in fact, but at the same time you can't expect them to consider you as such just because you think you are! And that in the end it is up to us to decide what to consider Italian or not! No offense!

interessante ed istruttivo

There are Cultural differences between Italians and Italian Americans. To Assimilate into another culture, changes your identity. You don't eat, speak, dress, act or think like Italians. Yes there are differences in Italy among the regiones, but they all can relate to each other. Italian Americans don't fit in the same way. They're like characters out of some American Gangster movie and unfortunately many in Italy laugh or find it insulting to think an Italian National would carry themselves like an Italian American. As far as Italians are concerned, you're simply an American Citizen.

@matthewmichael4561

2 жыл бұрын

If you genuinely think most Italian Americans carry themselves as though they are characters in a mafia movie, then congratulations, you are stupid enough to have bought the very stereotypes our community has been fighting for the past century. Strongly advise you research before spouting nonsense, Italian Americans have had great contributions to politics, the arts, and culinary history in America. We are Italian in the same way that people from Quebec are French. The only differences is the French are not nearly as whiny and gatekeepy about the Quebecois claiming their ethnic heritage as Italians are towards Italo-Americans.

@Roberto-Antonio

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmichael4561 no one is disputing the contributions Italian Americans have made to the US. You're a classic example of what I'm talking about, instead of trying to have an intelligent dialogue between us the first thing you do is say is that I'm stupid enough to fall for the stereo typical characterizations made against Italian Americans. As for the Culinary Arts.. Yes Italian Americans have contributed to the American Culinary art, but Not necessarily to the Italian Gastronomy as both are not remotely close to being the same. The comment you made about Quebec and France also does not correlate with the Italian comparison, as both Quebec and France have maintained for the most part their Cultural Identity. Quebec Speaks, Reads and Writes fluently in French, unlike Italian Americans who do not Speak Italian yet after so many generations in the US Speak English as if they still have the ability to speak proper Italian. Remember when the Italian was Black? Italian Americans were treated as badly as every other minority when they first came to America, Italian Americans basically had to give up their Cultural Identity just to transition into White America. Italian Americans and nothing like the French of Quebec, tu sei simplemente un Americano con un cognome Italiano!

@matthewmichael4561

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roberto-Antonio You’re full of shit, you literally wrote that Italian Americans are like “characters out of a gangster film.” Don’t say inflammatory remarks and expect to not get called out on them, that’s not the Italian American in me, that’s the New Yorker. Beyond that, I think it’s pretty ridiculous to assert that because Italian Americans mostly do not speak the language, that makes them ‘less’ Italian to you. Consider that a language isn’t the sole driver of ethnic identity, the Irish haven’t commonly spoken their language for several centuries but I wouldn’t dare compare them to the English. Beyond that, it is exactly as you mentioned, our culture has a history of being discriminated against that ties us to our ethnic identity. Certainly there were costs to assimilating, certain Italians have this obsession with authenticity as though us claiming pride in our heritage and identifying as “Italian” somehow challenges your identity, it is gatekeeping. We are Italians by blood, by family, I’ve had grandparents that spoke the language and made sacrifices to better our lives. I’m not going to turn my back on them or my heritage regardless of what you think. Your own country acknowledges us as Italian and offers us citizenship opportunities due to Jus Sanguinis. Every time the Azzurri suit up, they aren’t afraid to take young men from the diaspora such as Argentinians, Brazilians and yes Americans. So ultimately, it really isn’t this big deal, it’s an argument in semantics. The Italian culinary tradition is in no way similar to ours, I think many Italian Americans, especially in NYC, understand this. You act as though we have no contact with one another, yet there are tons of Italian expats in the city. And there are 294,000 + speakers of Italian in NYC alone. For reference, that would be the 10th most populous city of Italian speakers if it was located in Italy. Beyond that, there are Italian language newspapers, fraternal organizations in the city as well. So whilst I have no issue having an intellectual conversation with you regarding identity, what I don’t appreciate you doing is starting by stating the same old tired stereotyping we’ve faced from non-Italians in this country.

@Roberto-Antonio

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmichael4561 way to express yourself Matteo, calm down and don't get upset. Everything I wrote is factual. Language is the most important part of retaining ones Cultural Identity, without it you lose the complete understanding and meaning of your Heritage, Culture, History, Customs and Traditions. Knowing the native language is essential for knowing where you come from. As an American you can study as much as you want about being Italian, but you will never have a full grasp of what it is to be Italian while living in another Culture. Note: Adding one Culture (🇮🇹) to another Culture (🇺🇸) equals a third Culture (🇮🇹 🇺🇸)! You may feel Italian and be proud of your Italian Heritage, fact is at the end of the day you will still only be an American. Understand this, there are currently Africans living in Italy with a greater understanding of your Italian Cultural roots than yourself, why? Because they have been raised in Italy. Italian Americans are not the same as Italians from Italy, both are Culturally different. Italians don't create the Gangster Stereo Type, Hollywood does. Most Americans would feel a disconnect going back to their Cultural homelands, with the exception of many Hispanic Americans who have not assimilated into American Culture. Most Hispanics have retained much of their Cultural Identity, but there is also a large segment of the US Hispanic population that cannot speak Spanish well. I live in Italy and there is a major difference between what think it is to be Italian and what it actually is.

@matthewmichael4561

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roberto-Antonio once again, like I said gatekeeping. You are essentially arguing semantics. Perhaps you should read up on the difference between Ethno-Nationalism and Civic Nationalism, your perception isn’t representative of everyone’s objective reality. I am not Italian, I am Italian American. Which means my nationality is American, yes, but my ethnicity is Italian. You struggle to understand this because you live in a country that is almost entirely ethnically homogenous, hence you don’t understand the distinction. And saying well, that’s not true just because you don’t understand, doesn’t make your opinion true. The truth is, there is no American ethnicity in the way a European would understand, it doesn’t exist unless you specifically descend from Native American tribespeople, they are truly ethnically American, because the country has, from the very start, consisted of multiple ethnicities and is in itself a multicultural nation. Europe has only become Multicultural or Globalized in the past century or so. European history doesn’t have a parallel to that, if you were born in Italy, most likely you are both ethnically and nationally Italian. Just as if you were born in Spain, you are Spanish ethnically and Nationally. You can make whatever argument you want regarding language being the key component of cultural identity, but that is an opinion, not a objective fact. You never gave a proper counter argument to my example regarding Ireland unless you want to argue that the Irish don’t have a cultural identity, at which point, you are wrong. The Irish were discriminated against and colonized by the English and essentially lost their language yet retained their culture. And as you previously mentioned, there are Hispanics that don’t speak Spanish. Yet they are still ethnically Hispanic. How do you rectify your claim that language is the most important identifier of culture/identity when there are Swiss-Italians and the people of Dalmatia who speak Italian yet don’t identify as Italian. Ultimately, your opinion isn’t even backed by your own government, otherwise they wouldn’t offer citizenship by Jus Sanguinis. I don’t need you to tell me to calm down, you are casually perpetuating stereotypes that were created by Hollywood and WASPy Americans of Northern European descent to discriminate against Italian immigrants as though the Italian American community is solely responsible for it, whilst completely ignoring your own country’s long and tumultuous history with the Cosa Nostra and Camorra. Don’t compare us to characters from Gangster Films. We have accomplished way too much in the Arts and Sciences to be reduced to that. It’s an annoyance to us just as I am sure it is an annoyance for Italians in Italy. So look, we get that Italians and Italian Americans are not the same… but neither are the Quebecois and the French. In Montreal, you can eat a dish called Poutine that people in Paris wouldn’t call French let alone recognize, yet it is still apart of French Canadian cuisine. So they are different, yes. Yet, Quebecois and Cajuns in America are still ethnically French. They are generally recognized as ethnically French. Italian Americans are still ethnically Italian. We still have the same blood. An African migrant is certainly more Italian in the national sense but they aren’t in the ethnic sense, they are of African ethnicity. And they aren’t the same as you, they are Afro-Italians and have a far different reality and sense of Italianness than you do. In actuality, they are more similar to Italian American’s ancestors, as they are migrants in a foreign land, in this case a ever increasing multicultural Italy. And I guarantee, they will maintain and pass down their customs and traditions from whichever country they immigrated from whether your aware of it or not whilst fusing it with their current environment. They don’t stop being African because they left. Just as we didn’t stop being Italian, ethnically, because we left. If you move to England and have a son who grows up entirely in England, he’s still Italian. Italian American is a fusion culture, I don’t disagree with you. But we are still Italian ethnically. Or perhaps, we should have an honest conversation regarding the impact of fascism in Italy and how it has skewed the Italian perception regarding nationality and ethnicity in destructive ways such as Italianization. I have nothing but respect for the culture of Italy, I understand your traditions are vastly different, I understand that culturally we are different. But we ARE Italian. Same but different, It seems confusing, but it really isn’t. Anyway, you don’t have to acknowledge it, you can call me Americano anytime. And I’ll call myself Italian. And you can mock me, and I won’t give a shit. Just like when my ancestors came to this country and were mocked for being Italian, and they didn’t care either, they ate their pasta while everyone else ate crap. Life moves on. Nessun problema per me.

Cucina is kuhina in bosnian but where the word comes from i dont know

@bobob8820

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikecesa4444 ahh so the word is from the balkans

Glad I rediscovered this. I'm not Italian, but the same conversation can be held with every ethnicity. As a kid I lived in my country of origin. In fact I went to school there and even attended a year of high school. At the time kids quickly discovered that even though I'm American born I'm just like them. I did have some call me a stupid American at first ... but that quickly disappeared. The bigger problem was living in America and being around people of my own ethnicity. Oddly enough, to them I was not good enough. Since I listened to American Rock instead of my ethnic music, to them I was a devil worshipper. On top of that, I was made fun of by my ethnic community because of the city in the old country my family originated from. They said lots of racial things which truly hurt. For example, if my family were Italian and we originated from Naples and I proudly proclaimed that ... they'd say Naples isn't very Italian thus you're not a true Italian. How does that even make sense? Sadly, that was my reality. On top of that, I spoke my ethnic language with a different accent than most people in America did (or at least in the city I live). Why? Because in the old world people in the northern part of the country speak/spoke differently than people in the south. Same thing happens in America. Southerns have their own distinct way of speaking and New Yorkers have their way. Yet, my ethnic community crucified me for the way I spoke claiming my speaking ability was horrible. With that said, remember that I grew up in that other country and also frequently visited during summer. Yet, they had the audacity to say I didn't know the language. Ridiculous. With that said, I did have some victories. One summer I was in the old country with some American friends who used to make fun of me a lot. However, while moving around the country they heard me communicating and using both my accent and the more proper modern accent which they use throughout the country. One kid pulled me aside and apologized for everything he'd ever said to me. He was like "WOW! You speak so well!". It felt good, but all the years of being made fun of still hurt. The last time I was over there was in 2018. One night I was at a wedding and a local approached me. We spoke for about 15-20 minutes and then he said hold on I need to come clean. He admitted that the only reason we were speaking was because of his curiosity. He wanted to see how an American spoke his language, and he told me that we spoke EXACTLY alike. I reminded him that even though I'm American my family comes from the same area he does, plus I lived there for a bit and do my best to visit. This was a great complement and made me feel proud of my roots. Then our conversation transitioned to what America is like and how people assimilate. I explained there are some people that speak the language very well, and others don't speak it at all. I explained some people are of mixed background, or they don't send their kids to ethnic schools and church, and that some people are third or fourth generation Americans ... so basically everyone has a different knowledge of the language.

@x2y3a1j5

11 ай бұрын

Very interesting insight? May I ask you what exactly is that ethnicity you hail from? Cause I have a quite similar family history, and grew up in different countries, attending my parents' ethnic schools (rather by accident than by pure design, although there was some design of course). And depending on the mood of my interlocutors, sometimes they consider me "one of us" , and some other times an alien or, worse of all, "a traitor". In the end, as I was telling a couple of days ago to somebody with a similar background story "while 30 years ago they all made me feel so uprooted and not really belonging anywhere, nowadays people are so mixed up and come from so many different countries and marry so far outside their ethnicities that it doesn't matter anymore, you are you, and if you feel like you belong to X, Y, or Z nobody can't make you feel otherwise, and if you feel like you simultaneously belong to different countries then it's so much better".

You need to be grow up in Italy in order to be Italian. Having just italian heritage doesn't make you a true Italian. You would lack in many italian ways of communicating and social skills and you would be easily recognizable as a foreigner. But anyway the pride that Italian-americans have into feeling Italian is very admirable.

@leocesile1644

9 ай бұрын

1:14 bullshit, I'm Australian born to italian parents and I've always considered myself 100% italian. I can go anywhere in Central and northern Italy and the moment I open my mouth they automatically think I'm southern italian

@randolph1917

9 ай бұрын

Outside of Italy, especially in Anglo countries, you are categorized by your ancestral origin. Like an ethnic group. In Italy, this doesn't make sense, because there it is seen as a purely national identity. So, there is a disconnect between ethnic Italians of the diaspora, and the republican, purely national understanding of Italians born in the country of Italy.

@andrealune8979

9 ай бұрын

​@@leocesile1644..chill mate, you're just another Aussie-Terrone.

@HazeGreyunderway

9 ай бұрын

@@leocesile1644sorry, you are Australian with Italian ancestry. Do you have an Italian passport?

@angelosenteio

9 ай бұрын

Ha! Italy gives citizenship by blood line so if these terms are to mean anything they should follow some logic not arbitrary feelings about if someone is culturally aligned enough to receive the label. If that was the case Italy would give citizenship by birth and the US would have significantly less citizens. Culture has a life of its own, nobody owns it and none of us choose it. Its obvious to me anyways that American-Italian culture is rooted in the experience of Italian immigrants. Italy is more diverse a place than the US anyways. The only thing one can assume when you say your Italian is that you come from the peninsula. You a place where each village speaks a different language, look different, celebrate different and eat different. So anyone offended by the notion that Italian- Americans aren’t culturally Italian enough needs to explain exactly what Italian culture is first.

Una domanda: Ma i canadesi del Quebec sono francesi? sono franco- canadesi e la cucina franco canadese sarà di sicuro diversa da quella francese. Anche il loro francese sarà legggermente diverso da quello della Francia. Qual'è il problema? Basta non dire che la cucina italo-americana sia italiana, certe cose noi non le mangeremmo, e purtroppo che lo vogliate o no la cucina italiana attuale si è evoluta e la cucina italo-americana danneggia la cucina italiana perchè deriva dalla cucina casalinga di 50, 100 anni fa più rustica e più rozza. Quando vedo Buddy Valastro cucinare è ridicolo! quando mette un chilo sale 10 spicchi di aglio e un chilo di burro tutto esagerato, porzioni enormi, tutto all'americana. Quello è un danno per la cucina italiana. Vieni in italia studi come'è diventata la cucina italiana moderna e poi la rifai in america cucinando come si deve, ci sono chef che non hanno origini italiane che cucinano italiano bene. Impari a fare le lasagne come si deve bene e forse dopo puoi fare delle variazioni che non siano porcherie. Studiare prego!

@fabianofonda6758

3 жыл бұрын

Almeno parlano una specie di francese. Gli italoamericani che si degnano di imparare un po' di italiano sono pochissimi.

@Leverett101

3 жыл бұрын

Ma quale 'danno' ha fatto quella cucina casalinga? Forse sei tu che devi studiare l'evoluzione della cucina. Poi vedresti l'influenza e il significato della cucina povera. Basta non avere un'interpretazione della 'cucina italiana' così stretta che escluderebbe la pasta aglio e olio oppure la pasta e fagioli dalla tua classificazione 'prestigiosa'

@t.f.5265

3 жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@elle1530

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leverett101 Nessuno escluderebbe mai la cucina povera dalla cucina italiana, sono le basi accidenti! Credo che quello che Pearly intendesse sia il fatto che vengono spacciati per piatti tradizionali italiani piatti che oramai sono cambiati talmente tanto dalle origini che di tradizionale hanno ben poco; a volte viene fatto con ingenuità e per bisogno di appartenenza ad un gruppo culturale preciso, a volte però purtroppo viene fatto perché internazionalmente cibo italiano=cibo buono, quindi vende di più. Per questo molti chiedono che venga quantomeno indicato come italo-americano se non altro. Se un Italo americano mi fa una ricetta rimasta invariata per 100/150 anni che era dei suoi avi emigrati dal sud la riterrei una ricetta italiana (e tra l'altro probabilmente sarebbe qualcosa di nuovo per me che sono del nord). Ho più problemi a vedere come piatto italiano un chicken parmesan invece, che è ovviamente un'evoluzione dovuta alle influenze del paese che ha ospitato per lungo tempo una comunità migrante che si è ben integrata.

@SicilianCuisine

Жыл бұрын

infatti, ma la tipa nel video lo ha detto chiaramente, altrimenti loro come guadagnano? La parola Italian vende, peccato che poi quelli che visitano l'Italia e mangiano il vero cibo italiano si rendono conto che c'è un abisso.

It’s definitely not true we use Filadelfia cheese everywhere, if she says something like that it means she doesn’t know Italy that much. I’ve heard many times American that call themselves Italian but there is a big different between to be an Italian and to be an American with Italian origin, big different!

@divulgatrice

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormy74blue79 italian ethnicity is not a thing LOL

@divulgatrice

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormy74blue79 nope, u should read couple of books

@divulgatrice

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormy74blue79 i want to answer u cause other people will read this. There is.no such thing as italian ethinicity, again read a book By the way i am italian lol

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@divulgatrice there is though

@you-in5iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@divulgatrice I think you deny this to compensate your jealousy of American Italians

I am Italian American and my mother when visiting Italy said the further south of Italy the darker sauce.

The topic of Italian and American is something for endless debate and is an ongoing topic because the relationship and sociology continues to evolve to this very day. As far as food is concerned, there are only two types of food: good food and bad food. Let's accept the commonalities and differences among the many different Italian cultures both in Italy and America and let's enjoy the fact that it's easy to get a fine meal when dining anywhere in the vast continuum of Italian cuisines.

The reason we say Italian Americans is not an attempt to steal and Italian identity but a way to honour and show respect to the place our ancestors came from. We didn't just start calling ourselves Italian American out of the blue last week. My great grandfather came to NY in 1905. He was Italian -American. Then his son would've just adopted the Italian American moniker. Same with my Dad and same with me. Italian American is different than Italian. No one is disputing that but for someone to say Italian Americans have no right to use the term Italian American to describe our culture just because we weren't born in Italy is just ignorant. Italian American culture is its own thing! Deal with it!

Your are a product of the Culture and Environment you grew up in.

This video should have more views. Love from Milan :)

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

Bravo leccaculo degli americani, un vero sciuscià

Not food again! PLEASE:! By the way, we do study Italian emigration here in Italy. Better check your facts next time, thank you. And why are you talking about races?

@filipporubino4163

3 жыл бұрын

Americans can't get over the fact that there are no human races! At most, you can talk about ethnic groups

Loved this discussion ! Meaningful to me. Mi è piaciuto molto!

I feel your Italian-ness from your perfect r vibrato 😊 Since you are both Italian and American, do you think the Italian r coincides with the American flap t, e.g. in water, butter, computer, city? Or is it slighty different? A very interesting and informative video. I think some Italians find odd that something that doesn't exist in modern Italy is called Italian. But of course we're not all like that 😄 I'm not interested in getting into these dynamics, just relate politely to people and don't hurt them. Every person has different priorities in their values. Wish you the best, dears one!

That we're not all of the same race is not totally correct. In the majority we are a mix of European people going back to pre-Roman Italy. Due to Roman expansion to Norther Africa and the Middle East we may have non-European DNA in some of our people also to consider parts of Southern Italy/Sicily and Arab influence there of past centuries. However, what makes us Italian is what we share in common, what we have become over the thousands of years, our common Roman-Latin culture, which is different from the regional folklore, our easy-going distinctive character, our way of life and Catholicism . We are indeed a unique people in Europe. Plenty to be proud of. I always remember with joy a young man demonstrating in Italy who had a shirt with the following phrase : "Grazie a Dio che sono Italiano". This is what In would say as well. I want to add that if those born in the United States retain their Italian culture and Italian way of life they can navigate easily between the two cultures: Being Italian and being Italo-American.

@manitheman0806

2 жыл бұрын

just because there's an influence from a particular old civilation doesn't consitute it from being that particular ethnicity or sub-group......You can be from an American town and told there was plenty of Germans or Irish 70 or 80 years ago. Does that mean i have Irish blood? Absolutley not. Populations leave and get replaced by another...Its part of history

Louis Prima was the OG dancing bear 🤣

@3:30. No, that is NOT the case with a lot of Italian-Americans. “A lot” of us DO NOT spend ANY time in Italy - instead 95% of the masses want to come across as some “conflicted” half-American because Nana came over 100 years ago… It’s beyond laughable. To know so little about a country/culture - yet brag about it and claim it to anyone who’ll listen. These are the USians that make the inbetweeners cringe, not to mention actual Italians. That’s as far as I could get. 3:40. Maybe I’ll try again later

Just because someone narrows himself to a community of his same cultural does not that mean that person understands the culture. If someone is able to still keep his culture even when he is the only person of that heritage, that is true cultural understanding.

@ronaldmclown6747

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex Kanyima Yeah, seems like a very hyper individualistic, American way of thinking: not very Italian.

@eve3363

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmclown6747 Why would you move from one country with the same people only do move to another country and only associate with people from your heritage? That makes no sense. Then in that case, you might as well stay in your homeland. It is not OK to build communities of culture within a country that already has culture. You must respect the land that you live.

@philipmorrone5717

2 жыл бұрын

Eve first of all, they left because of economic hardship. Second, American culture is immigrant culture.

@reaux3921

Жыл бұрын

@@eve3363it’s called economic hardship, Shaniqua. Stay in your lane.

@eve3363

Жыл бұрын

@@philipmorrone5717 American culture is not immigrant culture. Please stop lying.

I love Italian-American. Many friend of mine are italian-american, but they are American not Italian . You, of Italics, too.

I Just don't understand why people born in america with italian origins just don't accept the fact that they are AMERICANS. The difference between me, born in Trentino and grown in northern Italy and people from New York with granparents moved to the US 50 years ago is that I have never pledge an alliance to the flag of united states of america in my life, while they did it every single morning of theyr childhood, and at the same time they have no clue of a lot of things that are part of italian contemporary culture that are absolutely immediate for every italian born and grown in italy. I am very sorry for the identity crisis of those people, but i can't feel them as part of my same cultural group more than an brit or a german (and i have never heard of people from other countries than in the US that call themselves italians just because they have italian ancestors).

@gregscavuzzo5457

4 ай бұрын

It's because there's no culture in America, we are proud to live in America but we have no culture so we long for our roots and mine are in Sicily and Naples so I call myself an Italian American

@carlomalabanan

4 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you 100%. These pretending Americans are so annoying as hell. Same thing to Americans with Filipino ancestry - they pretend they are Filipinos but in reality they are not, especially of they grew up in America and never been in the Philippines. And the funny thing is that if I say this they will get mad like I am a 'gatekeeper' of the culture. I just want to say that if you dont speak the language, lack knowledge of Filipino culture, and never been to the Philippines especially living there, but you have a legitimate Philippine passport, I will legally consider you a Filipino since that is the legitimate way the Philippine Constitution will consider you one.

@Pillowhead1983

3 ай бұрын

Because our families have kept our culture. Unlike a lot of Americans with different backgrounds, they got washed out and Americanized. A lot of Italian Americans lived all their lives with their culture. And while a lot is "Americanized" we like to keep what is true to us. I really don't know why people care. Us southern Italians and Sicilians like to keep our culture rich. I'm second generation Italian. My grandparents came from Nusco, and Cefalú, but I lived my life in Maryland. So while I am American born. I'm Italian in my blood, culture, and History.

@gregscavuzzo5457

3 ай бұрын

Most Greeks here in America call themselves Greek Americans, and Irish too , most Irish American people identify as Irish, but really who cares, I am American, my Grandfather came from Gangi Sicily and my Grandmother was from Naples, I am an Italian American, my nephew has dual citizenship, we are Americans from Italy

faccio un esempio il pesto alla genovese e fatto con una ricetta fatta con regole precise e nata in italia . se voi americani non seguite la ricetta originale non dovete chiamare il piatto pesto alla genovese ma pesto allla americana o altro . la nostra cucina si basa su ricette tramandate addirittura prima della scoperta dell'america , non americanizzatele , se lo fate cambiate almeno il nome del piatto modificato con l'italia non centra nulla

Why it's so hard for Americans to admit that the diaspora in the new world created a new hybrid culture? Italian-americans and Italians are two different things, we sure share more in common than say an Italian with a Chinese person but the two cultures are not interchangeable, they are different and to potray them as equal (as in "the same") does a disservice to both of them. Plus we must underline the fact that in old world stress is put on your upbringing and culture not ancestry or genes which to us sound borderline nazi arguments to be honest. A Moroccan of Moroccan ancestry who was raised in Italy, knows the Italian language as his own, who engages with Italian politics, with its cuisine, who understands Italian popculture and more broadly made Italian culture his own, is to us an Italian full and square. An italoamerican who spent his life and upbringing in the US on the other hand is inevitably viewed as more alien to Italy, doesn't matter if his grandfather was from Sicily or any other Italian region. Genes alone don't make you Italian, to be one you have to engage with the original culture and the culture italoamericans engage with is a different speciment from the mainland one. Hope this didn't upset anyone.

@Old_Harry7

7 ай бұрын

@@koschmx so let me get this straight, you don't know Italian yet you were able to get citizenship so to find a job in Germany where you had the opportunity to attend university which was impossible in your home country, yet you still say you love the US and consider yourself somewhat Italian. Ok buddy.

@Old_Harry7

7 ай бұрын

@@koschmx all you did tell is that you love the US yet you had to leave cause education was out of the question and you believe that italo-americans you included not consider themselves to be Italians which is false considering the rest of italo-american comment section both here and abroad believes otherwise.

@Old_Harry7

7 ай бұрын

@@koschmx how where you able to make it to Germany? By using your Italian citizenship which by your own account means nothing to you, I find this behaviour insulting.

@Old_Harry7

7 ай бұрын

@@koschmx I misunderstood you then, I thought you were exploiting Italian citizenship to live in Europe, it's a thing that is sadly very common. Anyway I feel like you are the expection on the rule cause most italo-americans believe to be actual Italians even going as far as to say they are the real Italians preserving the Italian culture. Before you I never interact with an Italian Americans who insists the two things are separate, glad to realise you lot exists as well.

@Old_Harry7

7 ай бұрын

@@koschmx I've lived in the US, it was a common thing, so common that I started going by a different name just to avoid hearing the same things and subsequent polemics.

I don't blame Italian Americans for the sour cream on carbonara, I blame the Americans who don't care to really know and explore other traditions, they want a glimpse of exoticism into their American life. Also some italian American recipes are pretty good. Meat balls into pasta? That's brilliant!

@allcolorsareentombedinblack

2 жыл бұрын

Pasta e polpette... Quello è un "piatto" (messo molto fra virgolette). Qui lo si fa quando sei mandrone e non hai voglia di fare primo e secondo. Allora ci butti le polpette.

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

Madonna quanto fate schifo voi sciuscià degli americani

If you talk like that then no nation and no culture should exist at all... Americans are a mixture of people from all over the world so how can you say Americans exist... if we go back in time maybe we should be all from africa... so stop talking like that... you're doing it just because it is obvious that you're not able to accept the fact that growing up in a country that is not Italy prevent you from being Italian because you were sourrounded by a culture that it is not the Italian culture... and there's nothing you can do about that. Your so called italian root were frozen in the past when your parents or grandparents left Italy and that Italy, that country of the past doesn't exist anymore, that cuture doesn't exist anymore, so at most it would be like if you have the Italian attitude of someone kept in a time capsule for 40 - 50 - 60 years or more and in Italy you're seen to be different... You grew up in the US you went to school in the US you've been watching US tv programs you've been living in the US culture and many of you don't even speak a word of Italian or if they do, are usually complelely lost if a different italian accent from that known is spoken and don't ususlly understand the most poular dialects that everybody can understand here in italy even if they don't speak it currently ... how can you expect to be considered italian... you're american, that's it and we say it because you also think a different way from us we can spot you out of thousand even before you say a word. You can stay there sitting and talking as much as you want about the italian descent but if you come to italy and people here in Italy do not recognise you as one of them that's the answer! If we don't recognise you as one of us you're not Italian... game over... sorry but there's nothing you can do about that apart from accepting the reality. And dont say there real Italians do not exists... Italian living in Italy are real Italians! And how can you say you're italian when you grow up in a place eith no art no monuments nothing of the italian beautifull enviroment we are sourrounded from north to south 24hours a day 365days a year... every child born in Italy from the smallest villages to the biggest city grew up sourrounded by Italyan landscapes and monuments because every little village has at least a church or a castle or a villa from the past... and that's something you in the US can only dream about and that's something that become part of us. All you talk about is for the mist food food and food and some attitude... being italian is more then grew up eating lasagne every week end! Being italian means grew up in our enviroment, here in Italy... and this is something outside Italy is impossible...

“Summer’s Rain” brought me here, literally. I'm a woman of mostly Irish /some German ancestry, and I'm writing a novel about an Italian -American girl’ a romance with a non-Italian..now, since I'm not Italian, it behooves me to “climb inside “ your world and get an accurate vibe. Very interesting; informative..thank you!

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like we have a new toilet paper

@danielefabbro822

Жыл бұрын

First step to know: family is everything that matters.

@SonnyJCrockett84

Жыл бұрын

@@danielefabbro822Madonna come siete tribali al sud

@danielefabbro822

Жыл бұрын

Oh then, music! Here a Playlist of old Italian music that can help you knows the feeling. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2qGqdycn8Ktmbw.html

@danielefabbro822

Жыл бұрын

@@SonnyJCrockett84 sono Friulano.

I am Italian and I agree with everything they are saying, but the program, where the host is a chef, is specifically looking for restaurants that do Italian cousine, I mean using the original receipes, outside of italy. But I do not think the program, which I frequently watch, discriminates the Italian American cousine, it is just looking for something different, which does not make that kind of cousine a non existent reality, because it exist and it is also an important part of italian history.

@lucianomezzetta4332

7 ай бұрын

cusine!

Food again! Gosh!

1. Having an Italian granma does not mean you know how to cook. In Italy we criticize Italian-American food just because is disgusting for us. A lot of people pretend to teach how to cook, but cooking is not a joke, it is an art. The rules we have on food are not arbitrary but are the result of hundreds years of study. 2. Italy, just as the rest of European countries, is not multicultural. And American culture is not seen so good here in the old world. So we can say that when an Italian consider an Italian American just American is because we perceive him like this. You are Italian or you are American. 3. We have a millenarian culture here, and when someone comes from the states saying "I am Italian, mamma mia, pizza ananas, mafia, spaghetti meatballs, ciao bella" is perceived as an offense. It is insulting and racist, and it get worse when it comes from someone whe consider himself "Italian". That is all. (oh, and BTW... We do not put "Philadelphia" cream cheese everywhere, stop talking about nonsense please. It is just ridiculous)

@amaiamontenegro

Жыл бұрын

I am not Italian, but I remember the food in Italy was quite lackluster. I was definitely underwhelmed. Additionally, some of you are quite rude & racist.

@tizioincognito5731

Жыл бұрын

@@amaiamontenegro and proud of it. Now, go fly a kite, troll.

@sgrizzo48

Жыл бұрын

@@amaiamontenegro like in every other country my dear, you will find assholes everywhere, trust me.

@beatrice5660

11 ай бұрын

@@amaiamontenegro The only rude and racist one here is you, who keeps generalizing 60 millions of people and an entire country just basing on your limited experience during an holiday 🙄🤡

@lucianomezzetta4332

7 ай бұрын

We have better cheeses than that Kraft invention.

People seem to think immigrants simply set out to bastardize the culture and cuisine of their homeland. The reality is that they both try to adapt it, are forced to assimilate it, *and* they preserve traditions that often go on to change in the homeland itself. That last thing is something that needs to be talked about way more.

9:40 ohh this guy, just said the truth.

@SamA-xu9gy

2 жыл бұрын

Cosa ha detto ?

We here in Brazil have a word that describes all this very well: 'FRESCURA'!

My grandparents were born in the 1880s. I was taught nonna and nonno maybe the Spanish influence. Same in Calabria Greek Albanian is still soken in Calabria.

Molto interessante e condivido che il problema non sia quello di giudicare che cosa sia o non sia realmente "italiano", quanto di studiare le differenze per capirne l'origine. Se posso esporre, brevemente, la mia opinione, io ritengo che il concetto di "italianità" si possa applicare molto più alle comunità di italiani all'estero che a noialtri che viviamo in Italia. In altre parole, in Italia, la nostra cultura -specialmente dal punto di vista gastronomico, ma non solo- è molto più regionale che nazionale. La sensazione di far parte di un gruppo etnico-linguistico identificabile come "italiano" è molto più viva nelle comunità di italiani all'estero che nella madrepatria. Personalmente, ad esempio, io mi sento prima napoletano e poi italiano. Il principe di Metternich sosteneva che l'Italia non fosse altro che un'espressione geografica e, sostanzialmente, anche se questo può non farci piacere, aveva ragione. Gli italiani di oggi sono il prodotto di un processo di unificazione rerlativamente recente e non ancora del tutto compiuto. Ancora oggi, sul crinale dell'Appennino tosco-emiliano, corre la linea di confine tra la cosiddetta "cultura del burro" (a Nord) e quella dell'olio d'oliva (a Sud). In conclusione, rispetto alla cucina "italiana" che praticate negli Stati Uniti, direi che si tratta del risultato di un fenomeno di fusione tra tradizioni diverse, poi evolutesi in maniera unitaria, che ha finito per caratterizzarsi come un fenomeno autonomo che, ormai, ha poco in comune con le varie culture di origine. Tuttavia, è un fenomeno che ha contribuito a creare una coscienza delle origini comuni che in Italia non esiste o è ancora incompleta. Ciò detto, esistono alcuni casi particolari che mi sentirei di definire come totalmente estranee alla cultura culinaria italiana, come l'uso di salse come il ketchup sulla pasta, l'uso abbondante dell'aglio, la cottura troppo prolungata della pasta, che qui si mangia sempre "al dente", l'uso del parmigiano sui piatti di pesce o della panna nella "carbonara" o, infine, i famosi "spaghetti with meatballs" (invenzione totalmente italo-americana) o le "fettuccine Alfredo", invenzione tutta italiana ad uso (e io direi ai danni) dei turisti americani.

@carmeloterramagra7135

3 жыл бұрын

Ciao, sono daccordo su tutto, una sola precisazione, gli spaghetti con le polpette li ho sempre mangiati in sicilia sin da piccolo (Mazara del vallo e ho 62 anni) . Sono solo una variante, con pasta, delle polpette con il sugo alla siciliana e si mangiavano l'indomani per utilizzare le polpette al sugo rimaste a cena, certo cucina regionale, ma pur sempre italiana

@alessandrosodano2365

3 жыл бұрын

@@carmeloterramagra7135 Per quanto ne so io (e ho 66 anni), sei l'unico caso di cui abbia sentito parlare di spaghetti con polpette. Se ti piacciono, però, buon appetito.

@antonionisini6677

3 жыл бұрын

La vera natura del annosa questione spggèdi with meatballs non è tanto sul fatto se siano mai esistite ricette codificate con tali componenti ma sul fatto che, anche se non ci fossero, ma dicessimo ad un americano ed ad un italiano di prepararle come anche solo frutto della loro inventiva, qualsiasi italiano riconoscerebbe quale è stato preparato dall'italiano e quale dall'americano, con la sola vista, col solo olfatto e, ovviamente, col solo gusto. E sono anche abbastanza convinto che, con l'apporto di tutti i sensi, moltissimi americani lo indovinerebbe. La cucina è anche procedure, un italiano le sue le ha nei cromosomi. Si potrebbe anche provare a fornire ai due gli stessi componenti e dir loro "forza, cucina", pensate che qualcuno potrebbe mai ipotizzare che il piatto fatto dall'americano sia quello fatto dall'italiano? Impossibile.

@a.sarnelli

3 жыл бұрын

Il tuo commento ha colpito nel segno! Per aggiungere sulla discussione di riconoscersi italiano, sono d’accordo con il tuo punto che chi è nato Italia si riconosce prima per la regione d’origine (o pure il comune, la città o la provincia) e poi per l’Italia. Però, quando chi è nato in Italia emigra agli Stati Uniti, l’identità regionale non importa perché gli americani non capiscono la differenza tra calabrese e pugliese, ad esempio. Ma gli americani capiscono infatti che questi emigranti sono simili in qualche modo e li mettono in un singolo gruppo: italiano. Gli emigrati sapevano bene questa differenza regionale, ma col passare degli anni non importa più ai loro figli, nipoti, e così via. Nella mia esperienza personale come italoamericano di Chicago (mio padre è nato nella provincia di Salerno), mi sembra assai complessa la diaspora italiana. Non è giusto dire che sono italiano quando solo so quello del paesino di mia famiglia e nulla della nazione intera. Però, nemmeno italoamericano è giusto perché ho poco in comune con i calabresi, pugliesi e siciliani che conosco, e ancora meno con gli americani che si riconoscono come “italiani” ma sono completamente americanizzati e non sanno nulla della cultura, lingua, cucina, ecc. Ma negli Stati Uniti ci sono tanti altri gruppi etnici, in particolare i messicani, che affrontano la stessa questione d’identità pura e non pura, autentica e falsa.

@alessandrosodano2365

2 жыл бұрын

​@@carmeloterramagra7135 Le polpette al sugo di pomodoro le abbiamo anche a Napoli e, scommetto, un po' dappertutto. E' proprio la commistione di pasta e polpette che NON è italiana.

Three people New York trying to figure out themselves.

Love italy

Me and my brothers are treated differently by my relatives in Italy according to how well we speak Italian. I speak it best. They quickly forget that I'm American and act like I'm just another Italian relative. My younger brother speaks barely at all, and is treated as a guest.

muy bueno

Yeah according to what was mentioned about being invaded, colonized, occupied. That will blow your mind, The "cappuccino" was and is "originally" an Austrian - more specific - a Viennese Coffee speciality.. brought to Italy by the Austrian soldiers who where stationed in Northern Italy in the 19th century. Although the Italians changed it a bit and made it then - let´s say - "not that precious". What I mean by that is - the Viennese Original called "Kapuziner" in German which got italianized into "Cappuccino" is in Vienna a mocha with a liitle bit of milk + wipped cream on top + grinded chocolate flakes and that´s how it is served in Vienna for centuries now till today and how it was introduced at first in Northern Italy in the 19th century... Meanwhile the espresso machine got invented so the Italians changed the mocha into an espresso which is then "Italian so to say" and also changed the whipped cream into milk foam as well which reduces the cost and instead of grinded chocolate flakes the changed that into cacao powder also because it reduces the cost...but "the basic idea is the Viennese Kapuziner" The name "Kapuziner/cappuccino" originally refers to the brown colour of "the cupuchin monk´s clothing" which the coffee has to have by using just a certain amount of milk to get that colour as well and the whipped cream is mimicing a monk´s hood.. In Vienna there is also a coffee speciality called "Franzikaner" refering to the colour of "Francisan Monk´s clothing" as well which is black, it is basically the same coffee speciality like a "Kapuziner" but with no milk so the coffee is a black mocha + whipped cream on top + grinded chocolate flakes. By the way both are served in a glass in order to see the colour of the coffee. I´ll bet who ever reads that didn´t know.

Vi scrivo in italiano sono nato e cresciuto nel nord est ma ho lavorato negli states uk france germania vivendo per più di 22 anni a 250 metri dal confine con la slovenia. La storia dell'immigrazione la conosco benino e l'idea che mi son fatto è che la vera differenza sia liguistica. Quindi la costruzione mentale che ne deriva determini l'integrazione o meno di una persona o di un gruppo sociale nel contesto in cui vive .Famiglia vista dagli americani e italo americani é uno stereotipo nel mondo, diffuso dal cinema e dalla massa di inmmigrati provenienti dal sud italia che nei primi anni del novecento hanno portato come in una foto i ricordi ancestrali e personali cristallizati di una civilta prevalentemente agricola. Perciò quantita di persone e di cibo in tavolate immense etc etc etc. In italia la famiglia ora è composta da 2 o 3 persone padre madre e figlio con una popolazione sicuramente invecchiata rispetto a ciò che siete abituati in USA quindi pur rimanendo alla parola Famiglia intendiamo e ci relazioniamo in differenti maniere it Famiglia en Family. Capisco il vostro sentire cofuso di due radici una italiana e l'altra americana. essendo io nato a Venezia visuto a venazia sino ai 12 anni poi a gorizia ed in friuli per 42 anni ora da sette/otto rientrato a venezia. malgrado ciò ancor oggi i vari imprintig della mia vita litigano tra loro e sento una mancaza di radici. Nel mio italiano standard si mescolano strutture verbali e liguistiche derivanti dal mio peregrinare per lavoro in tutto il nord italia e dai circa 4 anni vissuti nel vostro paese .Inghilterra Francia e Germania sentendomi talvolta come uno straniero in terra straniera.

Love Rosella and Her Nonna, well all Her Nonni in the shows as well. Nice getting to know the other gentlemen here.

I'm not a mutt lol! Both of my birth parents are Sicilian lastnames Vitale,Giacalone, Locricchio.

Many diasporas besides Italian often have similar issues.

Wow. I rarely see Italians on TV.

ok, hello everyone, really nice video, thank you so much for appreciating my country, I'm half Milanese and half Venetian, I know we've been a poor people, we've had many invasions, it's reality, anyway, thanks a lot for the video...beautiful video with grandma♡

Did she see Big Night? The whole point of the movie is that they didn't sell out. I don't want to be a hater; but I don't even look Italian; and when I go to Italy, Italians think I'm Italian. They give me menu's in Italian and they're surprised when I ask for a menu in English, and they find out I'm American. Then she complains that people call her a sell out for using cream cheese. Maybe she should stop caring what others think? I don't relate to her experience at all. I relate way more to the people in the comments. Maybe we should do our own show?