Zurich ATC were excellent. Clear and calm communications. They fully understood the high cockpit work load. Checked with the pilot that the landing gear was down and locked! "How's the situation on board" and "just follow the car all the way" quickly established all was ok and kept things easy for the pilots who probably hadn't had a chance to plan any for any ground manoeuvres. Excellent work by all involved.

@sarahalbers5555

4 жыл бұрын

The Swiss are known to be perfectionists, and in this situation they sure were. Great work by all'.

@gerhardhh9787

Жыл бұрын

The tower ATC was my daughter. Happy to hear she did a good job.🙂

@kabaddiify

Жыл бұрын

Learn something from Swiss ATC

@ajs11201

5 ай бұрын

@@gerhardhh9787 Yeah, I was watching the map, and given the short distance from the runway to C55, the follow-me car was probably unnecessary. Note that I am NOT criticizing. Given the unusual landing and the anticipated high stress, it was a very nice offer from ATC--just one more accommodation to ease the pilots' stress. Well done!

Those ladies are handling very well. The Qatar pilots are very polite too.

@thebambam1945

5 жыл бұрын

Thats the way to do it

@MartinWeinelt_Kiel

3 жыл бұрын

By the book

Many thanks for uploading this video! I was a passenger on this flight.. FIRST OFF - THANKS to the pilots of Qatari Airways! The flight crew got a bit nervous but overall maintained composure. Of course we were oblivious to what the emergency was, although it was something serious enough to bring us mid flight into ZHR during what was a routine flight when most everybody was asleep, including myself. Most of the passengers found out about the smoke issue as we were able to see news reports about our flight a couple of hours later. THANK GOD WE WERE OVER THE EUROPEAN LANDMASS .. with that happening over the Atlantic the implications would have been dicey to say the least. AGAIN THANKS SWISS ATC and QATARI PILOTS - GOD BLESS.

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Hey Jaime, thanks for sharing your experience! Glad everyone was OK! =)

@SuperDenonciateur

5 жыл бұрын

God does not exist idiot.

@grouperkng1

5 жыл бұрын

Very glad to hear everything went as smoothly as possible. ATC and the cockpit wow calm, cool, collected and executed what they have trained for.

@thebambam1945

5 жыл бұрын

Well said jonathan

wow, The swiss atc was super chilled

@Alex_is_flying_sims

4 жыл бұрын

Skyguide training baby! :D haha just joking, but one of the best ATC training in the world, not the one, but one of them. I tried to postulate, exams to enter was so intense and difficult even for people like me working in aviation for years.

Man, i love this stuff. Someone declares an emergency and everyone works hand in hand to solve the problem. aviation is so cool!

1:07 sure, just wait until he's in German airspace before you approve fuel dumping :D

@pascal2554

3 жыл бұрын

Hani au dänkt😂

For a second, I was wondering how that plane was gonna fit in that airport, then I realized it wasn't to scale. xD

Thanks to everyone who told me about this incident via Twitter and email. I gave it full priority and I've been working on it for many hours to bring it up today!! Give a BIG LIKE for these pilots and the Swiss ATCs who cooperated and worked very professional on a Saturday pick hour morning! =)

@rcaaATCos

7 жыл бұрын

Nice work! Thank you for sharing~

@AussieVet

7 жыл бұрын

Good work

@MrRobertobagg10

6 жыл бұрын

VASAviation - I always see this flight depart from kmia, the way the videos are presented with the graphics is brilliant . Swiss atc were great. And also the captain kept calm in that situation, addicted to this Chanel thanks

@sarahalbers5555

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This is first rate!

All Very professional, there was no ambiguity, if someone wasn't sure they ask for clarification. great work to all involved.

@Noctew

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The controller made a mistake in phraseology when she instructed "descend to 5000 feet", but that would be nitpicking.

@Statuquo

7 жыл бұрын

Please skyguide don't say : "Roger" .... it doesn't exist in legal coms, it's "wilco" or "copy" or "reedback is correct"

@easy08154711

7 жыл бұрын

Statuquo rubish, hear it all the time.

@felixfischer1

7 жыл бұрын

It's just european ATC. They don't ask rubish.

@TheStrickland94

6 жыл бұрын

Something I love about european controllers compared to US controllers is they're happy to speak slower and clearer, and then everything only needs to be said once. So many times on american ATC they speak a million miles an hour and have to repeat themselves 3 times.

Wow the way they handled the situation is much appreciated. Really good work done by the ladies (of atc).

The TWR has a very calming voice and that is extremely important in an emergency. Calm and soft and no rush at all. And a big Like for the gear reminder. Easy to forget things when there are smoke and an ongoing emergency.

Swiss Tower ATC so sweet

I'm sure one day a pilot will finish his comms with a "hello KZread"

@tortue_ch

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha ! This joke is totaly underated! :)

Man I can listen to those female ATC the whole day

@onkelfabs6408

6 жыл бұрын

Faikar Widjanarko she’s probably 45 or so

@nathanschafer849

6 жыл бұрын

Swiss female ATCOs are indeed nice :)

@guyseeten2755

3 жыл бұрын

You can play it as easy listening background music. While studying or just for relaxing. 😉

@antheiheiant

2 жыл бұрын

wtf

really good handling from atc there

Great! I was pretty surprised when suddenly on saturday a 777 flew over my house, usually rwy 16 isn't in use for approaches ;)

@Firecul

7 жыл бұрын

I get a 777 over flying me once a week, it stands out like a sore thumb compared to the normal 737 a320. I would like more actually :)

@Firecul

7 жыл бұрын

Ruben Kelevra at 4,000 feet I hope not :)

Love the way your videos are getting better! The way you represented the 777 on the runway 😍 lovin' it!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Always improving! =)

@tripple7W

7 жыл бұрын

VASAviation - :)

All teams on this were extremely professional. Was wonderful to hear. Politeness, calmness, professionalism. All round. Outstanding.

final approach lady sounds super pro

The ATC (tower) have a beautiful voice! love it.

I lost it with the 'follow me' vehicle, nice vid!

I came from Miami last week on the same aircraft type and registration!

Great job, this must have taken awhile to put together. Thanks

Nice lady controllers, thanks VASAviation team very nice videos :)

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! :)

I got a bit nervous when I tracked the landing on FR24 yesterday. very nice video!

Another great video!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ethan!

Gran Trabajo como siempre ...!!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Gracias! :)

Excellent English and nearly neutral accents. Those female ATC's should teach radio discipline. Very professional job ladies. To bad I can't say the same for the pilots..

@ImpressionsFromEverywhere

5 жыл бұрын

I disagree to some extent. (Unnecessarily) bad phraseology. "Descend/Climb TO altitude" is a big no no. E.g: It's "descend 5000ft" and never "descend to 5000ft". Small difference with potentially big consequences. Very basic rules of RTF are not respected here.

@fernandoalonso9327

4 жыл бұрын

taekyon2 sorry mate, it's correct to say TO when referring altitudes, but not TO when referring to FL... climb FLxxx/descend to altitude xxxx ft

Did they ever find out the source of smoke? Scary!

Another great vid !

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

i just love itt

I love to hear ladies voices on the frequency.

He said "We need to dump fuel, can we do it on the way to final?", not what you've written. Nevertheless the video is great

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

Great job!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

I hope the other plane vacated C55 in time.

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha good one! It's just a map, obviously.

They came in on one wing and one prayer.

Yesterday, QTR778 from MIA to DOH diverted to KBOS, got no idea why.

Ground controller: most Swiss accent and pace of speech ever 😂

I am surprised no one asked for number of souls on board and amount of fuel left.

@Polschinski

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe i'ts only mandatory in the states. The FAA has different rules i guess

@MubarakSultan

6 жыл бұрын

Polschinski POB will included in the FP Fuel wise is not important in this case because crew were damping fuel... however I’m sure it was reported on the first emergency call.

@sebastianfischer429

6 жыл бұрын

İbrahim H Çağlayan In some situations the tower can find it out via the Flight Number (Not Callsign) by getting information from the Airline.

@ImpressionsFromEverywhere

5 жыл бұрын

@@Polschinski It is routinely asked in Europe too

@Speedster___

3 жыл бұрын

It’s also available on transponder which are mandatory

I kind of want to buy Zurich ATC some sushi and a drink 😍

Swiss maintaining tempo like a watch

They're cleared to land twice :))

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

That's not right +mcdonaldc1989 . They were cleared to land by Approachd and then with Tower after the frequency change. They didn't receive clearance on their first approach.

How did you manage to record these conversation? Using a SDR ?

nice

do i missed altimeter clearance from atc..???

What does "turn left/right heading x" mean? To turn from current position to x degrees in the direction specified?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Turning from present position to some degrees in the compass. If I turn heading 270º, I'm turning west.

Great video. Always look forward to watching them. Question, what are the CAT 1 through CAT 3 they were talking about between time stamp 0:45 and 2:45?

@glfsn

7 жыл бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system See the section about ILS categories (CAT 1, 2 and 3)

@dualinput601

7 жыл бұрын

I suppose they would opt for the CAT3 approach in case of smoke in cockpit if the smoke is too dense. CAT3 is an autoland approach.

@MarkRose1337

7 жыл бұрын

But in a CAT3 approach, the braking is also controlled, which may be problematic in an overweight landing such as this.

@glfsn

7 жыл бұрын

they opted for a cat 1 approach. This gives the pilot maximum control and the ability to land softly and modulate breaking with the correct flap/spoiler configuration for a potential passenger evacuation. Also, smoke in the flight deck suggests that there may be electrical system damage. It would be unwise to give the aircraft full automatic control when you can't say for sure if these systems have been damaged or not.

And the reason for the fire in the cockpit?

🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭

could an aviator explain how a 777 is still overweight for landing and needs to dump fuel after flying round about 6 to 7 hrs from Miami, i.e. fuel for approx. 7 hrs left in the tanks

@VASAviation

6 жыл бұрын

Full pax + cargo + trip fuel to destination + extra alternate fuel made this thing quite heavy apaprently.

HOw do you listen to the pilots?

whats CAT I II and III??

So what happened with the smoke in the cabin? Disappeared mysteriously, and the flight continued?

@juzzlookin

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, couldn't help thinking it was a queue jumping tactic..but I'm sure inspection will pinpoint any issues, smoke residue doesn't dissappear.

@nihlify

3 жыл бұрын

@@juzzlookin That's moronic... Calling an emergency won't save you any fucking time since you'll get stuck with the paperwork in the time it would have taken you to land, and no sane pilot would do that... Also they weren't even fucking close to where they wanted to go idiot...

@nihlify

3 жыл бұрын

Could be any number of things, it's happened countless of times. You don't need flames to have smoke, can be a cable burning or whatever.

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

@@nihlify especially in this case as this wasn't even their destination airport...

04:13 ATC says Left turn and flightradar shows the plane turning right D:

If this was in the US , ATC will assign a visual approach and will ask to maintain visual separation from other traffic to the Qatari. lol

I thought the Qatari crew were very professional.

Where do you find those audios though, i thought they weren't public in most parts of europe

@MarkRose1337

7 жыл бұрын

It's the UK that doesn't have them. Read the FAQ for why: www.liveatc.net/faq/

@Xanthopteryx

5 жыл бұрын

​@@MarkRose1337 Definitely on top of the "Stupid laws" list. Someone maybe can start a pirate bay for UK ATC. Hard to track a listening device and then some network fiddling so you can't trace the origin. =)

@alexku8452

4 жыл бұрын

In Germany listening (and even more interfering with) air traffic radio communications is illegal. To take part or listen to air traffic communications you need a "Funkzeugnis", which would mean a radio operator license on the one hand, and even if you have such a license, e.g. as tow driver, Ops or ATC, legally you can only listen to those frequencies on duty.

Why are they dumping fuel?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Aircraft dump fuel in order to reduce weight for landing. An overweight landing is more dangerous and expensive for later maintenance.

Is there really a large demand for a Miami to Doha route? Who flys, except exchange students and the occasional business traveler? It doesn't seem profitable.

@MubarakSultan

6 жыл бұрын

Kelton H Qatar Airways is the largest connector in the world between east and west

@sarahalbers5555

4 жыл бұрын

South Beach??

Why do they keep asking for more track miles? What does that mean?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

They're are requesting to delay their landing to prepare the cabin and be setup to land.

@aljack1979

5 жыл бұрын

They need a longer approach time, in this case to prepare the cabin for an emergency landing. Earlier in the clip it was because they were too high,. An aircraft can be still to high or fast for the approach, especially if checklist still need to be completed. ATC will throw in a few extra turns into final flight path to give more 'track miles'

what does mayday mean? how is it different from emergency declaration? I watched your other videos, ATC usually asks for souls on board and fuel remaining for emergency, but not in this case. So I guess the two situations are somewhat different.

@voatavo2228

6 жыл бұрын

681726 mayday means that theres a direct threat to the safety of the aircraft. A Pan Call means that theres a importent situation, but no direct threat. A Pilot feeling sick is a Pan emergency, a engine fire or a fire onboard is a mayday emergency. If you just say declearing an emergency it doesn't get clear weather or not there's a direct threat to the aircraft

@miraculixxs

5 жыл бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday

@alexku8452

4 жыл бұрын

You can declare an emergency both ways, if you do not state the nature of the emergency immediately, they will ask for sure. Just declaring an emergency can most often be found while kind of checked in and in some sort of established communication. The MAYDAY or PAN PAN code words repeated three times are intended in radio communication ( not only aircraft but also ships for example ) to be easily recognized and catching attention from any stations listening. Especially on ships for example while listening to the radio in the background you start to kind of filter and only get more alert and actively listen if you recognize your callsigns Bering addressed or something like suche Code words. Furthermore in Radio communications such code words usually call for a certain radio discipline and not possibly interrupting or blocking frequency.

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexku8452 in many applications a MAYDAY call also allows you to interrupt other radio communication.

I feel bad for liking... the video is good but it's scarey!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Everything turned out OK! :)

Do you have coms of the plane who had to abort their takeoff because of this incident?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I don't! :(

When did this happen? Today?

@Airblader

7 жыл бұрын

SimonThaKillah Read the introduction slide in the beginning of the video.

what is CAT I & CAT II reffer?

@VASAviation

6 жыл бұрын

In basic terms, it is about different accuracies for the ILS.

@flyguille

6 жыл бұрын

thanks.

@desertr4062

5 жыл бұрын

They offered Cat III in case the smoke was so bad they couldn't see the instruments and had to do an autoland. Like the B747 in Dubai that crashed because they couldn't see anything in the cockpit.

@desertr4062

5 жыл бұрын

Another good video. The smoke must have dissipated after the initial Mayday, otherwise I would not have expected them to do that 360 on final waiting for the cabin. If you're on fire get on the ground. Swiss 111?

@flyguille

5 жыл бұрын

DesertR Atleast they didn't turn off the AC fan ! ;)

It was B77W, not B773 to be precise. These are different

@mw01720

7 жыл бұрын

Kuba Balcerski 77W is a 777-300ER

@AEMoreira81

7 жыл бұрын

B773 usually refers to a 777-300 (non-ER), although at least two carriers will use the code B773 for them (Air China for 3-class 77Ws and China Eastern).

@mohammedibraheem3695

7 жыл бұрын

Max W and the 773 is 777-300 without ER, which is a different type of the 777

@mw01720

7 жыл бұрын

A 777-300ER can also be abbreviated as 773ER

What happens to all the dumped fuel? Do people underneath just think it's raining? is that what scattered showers are?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Fuel just evaporates as it gets in contact with the air.

@ArcticSilverFox1

7 жыл бұрын

VASAviation - Thanks for answering my questions! I've learnt a lot.

What does QNH1011 mean?

@EricGuggi

7 жыл бұрын

Athmospheric Pressure at the Field, to set their altimeters

@alanjackson526

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Guggi Measured in milli bars

@EricGuggi

7 жыл бұрын

alan jackson​​ naa, i think in hectopascal in europe, and in the usa some crazy thing with hundredths of inches of mercury or so

@alanjackson526

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Guggi aims l was being pedantic... In England it is measured in millibars, also in some other parts of Europe. Only Eastern bloc areas measure in hectopascals in mainland Europe

@riciy

7 жыл бұрын

you realize millibar and hectopascal and millibar gives the same measure?

Why requested CATI ?!

@DCSMustang

5 жыл бұрын

If you have a plane with too much weight, you have to flare really gently as not to overstress the airframe on touchdown. The crew of the 777 couldn't dump fuel until this point because of system problems, so they expected to land too heavy. The CAT3 with autoland lands the plane by autopilot with a preset flare maneuver made for normal weights, the pilots wouldn't be able to control the softness of the touchdown, so I assume, thats why they requested the CAT1 approach.

@alexku8452

4 жыл бұрын

@@DCSMustang I think your explanation nails it, as the pilot after being offered Cat 3 asks for Cat 1 due to overweight landing

Go ahead and dump your fuel wherever-you're over Germany.

@tortue_ch

5 жыл бұрын

dumped fuel never touch the ground. It evaporate before.

The pilot needs to think every time about his callsign..

From Miami to Doha, and they still need to dump fuel over Germany because of an overweight landing. Strange. I'm also surprised ATC never asked for remaining fuel and souls on board.

@salzstreuerdeluxe

Жыл бұрын

Zürich isn´t located in Germany. ;)

@guyseeten2755

Жыл бұрын

@@salzstreuerdeluxe Please reread my comment carefully. Also see 2:58 and position of the aircraft.

@salzstreuerdeluxe

Жыл бұрын

@@guyseeten2755 Ok, you were right. I apologize for my mistake.

@guyseeten2755

Жыл бұрын

@@salzstreuerdeluxe No problem! 👍

That's the first time I've heard the Tower controller ask the pilots to confirm gear down and locked. Odd request, since they never mentioned having any issue with their landing gear.

@andij605

5 жыл бұрын

maybe they extended the gears a little late? this would be german for "why didn't you extend them earlier?!" so it made me wonder...

@alexku8452

4 жыл бұрын

@@andij605 hearing the pilots reaction I wondered if somehow in the cockpit workload they did not yet get to that checklist item and have been quite happy about the friendly reminder.

Will there be a probe ordered for Quater as all the time till landing they gone through MAYDAY and suddenly at last canceled and parked at the gate.

@mw01720

7 жыл бұрын

Monish Johnson In the event of a possible fire a Mayday is the best option incase the fire quickly escalates and they need to land faster with the emergency services.

@paladinee

7 жыл бұрын

Or dump fuel.

A bit chaotic in the Qatar cockpit and I wonder why dump fuel if you have smoke or fire? Hmm

@berbs9691

2 жыл бұрын

fuel dump is because the aircraft was overweight for landing at zurich (it was supposed to continue to doha)

first

@TheOysterjam

7 жыл бұрын

first

Spanish pilot

The Swiss must hate fuel dumps. It’s against the law there to even wash your own car due to chance of polluting the water system with chemicals.

@AML2000

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure that's why they had the plane dump fuel over Germany!

@chrissim4386

6 жыл бұрын

LeTang Well in this case political stuff is not important, if there's a runway and it would be good for emergency landing they are going to use it - and for sure this is right^^

@tortue_ch

5 жыл бұрын

Dumped fuel usualy never reach the ground, it evaporate before.

@namibjDerEchte

3 жыл бұрын

@@AML2000 It may be due to the lake underneath.

Can they poop their fuel into lake constance? Isnt this like a nature reserve? He could have just vectored them to Davos for the fuel dump, thats where it belongs.

Have they learned nothing from Swiss air 111...if there is any smoke conduct an emergency descent, fly direct to the airport and disregard fuel dumping.

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

They didn't delay their descent not their approach for fuel dumping

No wonder I adore German women Lol

@adrianbuergler8620

3 жыл бұрын

*Swiss

@maanmohammad8459

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianbuergler8620 Zurich is in the German part of Switzerland

@adrianbuergler8620

3 жыл бұрын

@@maanmohammad8459 yeah no shit, i live there. Still doesn't make the people who live here German.

@maanmohammad8459

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianbuergler8620 Ok wasn't meant as an offense

@LeTangKichiro

4 ай бұрын

@@maanmohammad8459 So are Canadians US Americans because they speak English?

I believe that i could hear a little annoyance from the crew member on the plane because he had to follow instructions from women.

@MrYessin87

7 жыл бұрын

I believe you are sick in your brain. The pilot was super-polite and thanked the ATC's multiple times... "But, but, but he's an arab, he has to be misogynic, otherwise my conception of the world is endangered... " haahahaaha you are super-pathetic

@briansteffmagnussen9078

7 жыл бұрын

Don't sit here on youtube. You miss the beheading show.

@MrYessin87

7 жыл бұрын

No I won't...I've set a timer and will be notified when the life-stream of the beheading starts... Next off is a blonde, blue-eyed, danish mother of three! So excited !!

@ramiomar94

5 жыл бұрын

not for " prestigious" jobs

@althxni__4746

5 жыл бұрын

spot it’s not Quataris I’m very offended and there are many Qatari pilots! (COMING FROM A QATARI)

Good job by everyone but really baffled how a most basic (and potentially critical) RTF phraseology rule is not respected by Swiss ATC in this instance. E.g. it must never be "descend TO 5000ft", but "descend 5000ft". The "TO" uttered before the altitude clearance can easily be misunderstood for a "TWO", creating a totally unnecessary risk of misunderstanding with regard to the actually cleared altitude. In this particular case this risk of misunderstanding was admittedly neglibible, but considering how consistently the "TO" was used before the altitude value, I suspect it's a systematic issue. Really really odd, and not very professional, to be honest. Serious incidents and near misses have been the result of this...